Use Crowns to Select Pet Talents and More!

[stuck brook]

Ever hate having to use an abundant amount of crowns in hatching elixers and energy elixers just to get a failed pet? Not to mention the gold and time spent doing so?

Let me introduce you to spending 750 Crowns to select a single talent (up to 5 talents total) of becoming 100% guaranteed next time you level the pet up!
Well what if I just can't get that darn talent I've always wanted you may ask. Well to answer that, you can spend double the amount (1,500 Crowns) to get any talent you wanted to be there instead!

There would also be a feature to use 250 Crowns to see all talents that pet currently has permanently!
Having issues with maxing out a stat on a pet? No more! Spend 500 Crowns per single stat (up to 5 stats total) to max it out!

NOTE: Prices could definitely vary, but the concept is to allow players to further sway how their pets turn out or flat out make a pet to their needs by using crowns.

[stuck brook]

Another side note is that you would still need to feed your pet snacks in order for it to level up. Crowns would only determine what talents are given, which talents you can see, and maxing out a pet's stat to the fullest it can be, skipping any limits if it has never been bred

[olive basin]

This is wayyyyy too cheap

They make significantly more money from people buying mega snacks and gold

To the point where if you could spend crowns to change pet talents the prices would probably be in the tens of thousands

Being able to just buy whatever talents you want would kill pet hatching and lose one of the biggest money makers in the game

[stuck brook]

One slight issue with pets is that they're in a state where you can either spend almost eternity on making them or you pay for them. If you think about it, making a frill this way for every character would cost 52,000 crowns. This also doesn't include the snacks nor energy needed to get them to Mega. Gold honestly isn't an issue in the long run when you have to wait 24 hours to hatch anyways. Now if you're basing off rng on pet bodies and the talents themselves then it does become an issue

[olive basin]

One slight issue with pets is that they're in a state where you can either spend almost eternity on making them or you pay for them
This is literally the exact same thing you're suggesting, but you're making the payment make ki less money, so why would they ever swap it lol. Being able to just swap talents for crowns or get any talent on any pet for cheap is so insanely broken it would kill the entirety of pet hatching in favor of people just buying talents once on one pet then being able to transfer them to any pet body they want

[stuck brook]

I don't know the stonks KI generates here nor how much they need to make, but I do know that the price could be 2,000 heck 10,000 crowns per talent. I don't know if that fixes things but as someone who would play the game casually it doesn't matter anyways, you just play the game.

[olive basin]

People buy a LOT of mega snack packs and gold to the point where they're among the most sold items in the crown shop. Replacing that with a one-time purchase to max everything out for all 7 schools is definetely a loss for them

[stuck brook]

Then there's me who has never bought a mega snack pack and has 1,400 snacks. It's so odd that when gear is put into packs there's some common outlash but when compared to mega snacks which can be much easier to get, isn't?? I'm just trying to understand that average users would prefer to use crowns on mega snacks and rng their way instead of paying a finite amount to get what they want? I get KI needs to make money but at least this rewards players for using crowns instead of rng on top of rng which imo is more of a reason to not buy more mega snack packs

[olive basin]

Time vs money

Mega snacks and gold are a big seller

[stuck brook]

That is truly an unhealthy way to settle your playerbase. Hopefully KI surely does not see us as just numbers

[olive basin]

Shockingly, companies need to make money in order to exist, and destroying one of the biggest sources of revenue in the game is most likely not something on their agenda of changes for the game

[stuck brook]

Didn't know pets were secretly a backbone to KI and not memeberships or gear packs instead. Either way if players just knew they were numbers in a game I don't think that would sit very well especially is majority of them are veterans

[olive umbra]

Quite a few players have ditched wiz since this patch

[stuck brook]

I happened to have game back because of the new world theme and the idea of spell weaving is so so cool

[olive umbra]

It is, but the bugs and let down of customer service has driven people away. It’s been poorly executed, but had lots of potential

[stuck brook]

I heard the bugs have been out of hand recently. Before this update, I heard players couldn't even use spells for a certain amount of time or couldn't complete Avalon due to level issues

[olive basin]

couldn't even use spells for a certain amount of time
??
couldn't complete Avalon due to level issues
This was an advanced combat issue and it was a while ago

[olive umbra]

Yea 😔 when the community doesn’t feel listened to, it doesn’t build confidence

[olive basin]

Also there were no bugs at launch for this update that broke the entire game lol, you could access all content with some minor bugs

Unless you were ice

Then you couldnt get your spell

But that got fixed first patch after the update

[olive umbra]

What about steam players who still can’t even boot up the wiz engine, it’s been 8 days. Yes there getting refunded but still

[olive basin]

Issue on valve's side

[olive umbra]

So this whole issue has nothing to do with KI?

[olive basin]

To my knowledge, it is valve's fault as it is only players in EU who are unable to use steam due to something funky happening with the automatic region detection (Idk the technical info)

Pretty sure people posted workarounds in the initial thread that do work to get around the region thing

[stuck brook]

It was sometime this year I thought and that's what I was going off of for recent times sorry

[olive basin]

thanks for finding the screenshot i didnt wanna go find it

lol

[limpid tusk]

It was tickling my spidey senses I knew I saw it somewhere

[olive umbra]

The work around isn’t working consistently that’s why the refunding process has been begun.

To my knowledge and the threads on steam

[stuck brook]

I suppose until people legitimately go on strike on pets then it is pointless to change them. I would love for KI to have some incentive to add something better that's more rewarding but as a wise person said "why change something when it works"

[olive basin]

People aren't going to go on strike over pets 💀

[limpid tusk]

I was farming some cantrip chests in celestia once, I switched to another wizard to avoid using an energy elixir. When another guy ran out of energy, he made a new wizard and bought a level 50 elixir because "might as well"

[olive umbra]

Pets are cool and I like the whole concept of hatching and hybrids, but the pet talent/training system could be improved

[limpid tusk]

Don't underestimate the wiz whales

[olive umbra]

Wow, people have more money that sense

[limpid tusk]

Yea pets wont change while whales still entertain the current pet system 🤷‍♀️

[olive umbra]

Players want to feel heard, and they’re not getting that right now. ☹️

@olive basin Do you discourage tagging the KI team in posts/threads? Out of curiosity

[stuck brook]

I would if I knew that the soul reason for the game generating money is off of them and it's purposely designed to make said money. To be fair the reasons for why the mega snacks and gold are most sold could be due to just what rich players spend their money on anyways. And that doesn't mean the general population buys what they buy.

[olive basin]

Yes, please don't ping staff over suggestions, some don't appreciate getting dragged into threads as it auto-adds them to the thread they get pinged in

[olive umbra]

So if you want to speak to a KI member, what do you suggest doing?

[olive basin]

I mean is it for a suggestion or is there a problem

[limpid tusk]

Mm without spending any crowns, there are methods to get meta pets. I made 3x quad mighty pets with 2.0/pv using noob hatching, 35 couch potatoes. Mind you this was like a 5-6 month project because of work for me

[olive basin]

You can try dm-ing them for suggestions but I can't guarantee they'll reply; if there's an account issue or anything you gotta go thru support

[wintry juniper]

It's the steam issue

[olive umbra]

I understand, thanks

[stuck brook]

I don't doubt that you can eventually make stuff you want for free and packs can help. But overall it's rng at the end of the day and it still can take a ton of time when you could do literally anything else that's more rewarding

[limpid tusk]

If you're really into pet hatching, a lot of pools are already "solved", purreau potions are craftable, energy elixirs come from pet pavilion which you can easily grab 6x a month when it comes around.

[olive basin]

@olive umbra

Did you dm support for the issue already

If so can you dm me their response (cut out your email/username)

[limpid tusk]

If I'm doing noob hatching to transfer a pool, body, stats, I can easily push out like 20 generations just using shantas in an afternoon (no crowns)

And pet hatching is a side activity, I haven't really seen a scenario when fire boon manifested makes a fight 5 minutes longer than fire giver manifested

[stuck brook]

Don't you need hatching peppers though to craft said purreau elixirs?

[olive umbra]

No it’s fine, when I do email KI support, it’s just unhelpful to receive a bot response that has no relevance to your question. And I have seen you advising people not to keep contacting them on threads etc.

[limpid tusk]

Yes purreaus are renewable with hatch peppers

[olive basin]

Yea I know can you send me over the bot response lol

[stuck brook]

Yet it's a backbone to how KI makes money which makes absolutely no sense

[olive basin]

I'm gonna forward it to Emma

To see if she can see whats up with support

[limpid tusk]

But you can also just spawn a level 1 wizard and use the noob's hatch timer without any crowns

[limpid tusk]

Because of people's impatience/problem with gambling

[stuck brook]

It just doesn't make sense currently to go through all of these loops at least to me. As a general player it shouldn't be this hard to participate and achieve what others get in a "side activity"

[limpid tusk]

A lot of pets take me 2 months to get what I want but there's lots of people who want the pvp meta pet in 1 sitting

[limpid tusk]

Gardening is hard to get into as well.... imagine farming for 69 couch potato seeds or even setting up the plots in the first place

[stuck brook]

Don't say that too loudly, this is a kids game afterall

[stuck brook]

Yeah I got about 40 from questing normally..

[limpid tusk]

I got 15 total through mirage empyrea, all the way to wallaru....

[stuck brook]

#Rng

[limpid tusk]

Surprise it's an mmo with gacha mechanics?

[stuck brook]

I'm not surprised but you could just farm mirror lake for pixie sticks instead of couch potatoes and having to care for them

[olive umbra]

DM’d you

[olive umbra]

I think you have to add me to receive me dm?

[limpid tusk]

And no one is saying to buy seeds from the crown shop to skip the rng, so maybe ppl just need to encourage new players to stop spending crowns on pets too?

Trivia crowns, grub guardians already provide energy elixirs , which is already convoluted

[stuck brook]

This would be nice if there was a shift in focus to use the crowns elsewhere. Unfortunately until pets change the game will forever be in a state where they are what dictates crowns since that's how they make their money

Whelp since this chat has dwindled down. I think now is a great time to point out this chosing talents thing could be monitored to only be used like 5 uses per day. If there's anything anyone else would like to add I'd love to hear about it.

For as of now I just feel for players who don't want to do even more farming on top of what they do now and want a simple way to at least make a pet to their choosing

[noble field]

Swinging through here, is there actually any way for the public to see what their best sellers in the shop are? I seen that gold and snacks are in the top 10 so I wanna see the rest of the list lol

But yeah I doubt they’d ever consider making a change like this. It’s not even just snacks and gold. There’s also the amount of elixirs people purchase when burning through hatches everyday. Double pet xp weekends? I’m sure that’s a money printing machine

If they made talents cost 750 crowns each though I would NOT complain😂

[stuck brook]

Just curious, how much would you be okay with spending on 1 talent or 5 talents.

[noble field]

Not very much these days since I have a pretty old account, hundreds of mega snacks, and a solid roster of pets. It’s not nearly as hard to create new pays I may need these days. However a brand new account would find a lot of value in what you’re suggesting

[stuck brook]

Gotcha and that's sweet that you've accomplished your pets. I congradulate you on that as I am struggling lol Getting armor breaker 5 times in a row is 😦

[noble field]

I can’t express how important gardening is for leveling pets and like I said I have an old account. You also want to make sure you’re performing good habits during hatching but that can be discussed in #🐷▹pc-pet-pavilion because there’s definitely efficient practices for hatching

[stuck brook]

Ultimately it's an rng based thing so sadly it's truly a trail and error until you can sway the odds in your favor. I really hate how big of a cash grab this has became because pets are one of the only other coolest things we have in the game cosmetically besides raid gear and mounts

[stuck brook]

Not sure who else will come across this thread, but this is my slight adjustment to this post.

Each tier (Teen, Adult, Ect.) would have a price to pick out a specific talent in the pet's talent pool after revealing all talents permanently.
Also the price needed to pick out said talent would increase based on the pet's level.

Here are some prices I think are fitting to use:
Reveal all talents Permanently: 2,500
Teen Talent - 7,000
Adult Talent - 7,500
Ancient Talent - 8,500
Epic Talent - 9,750
**Mega Talent ** - 11,000
(Total: 46,250)

Notes:
You still will need to feed your pet snacks to level it up
In order to pick out the talent you want, you will have to reveal all the talents permanently first

[unkempt basin]

Yeah I'm anti this

[olive basin]

Step 1: get pet to ancient without failing which takes almost no effort or rehatches

Step 2: spend crowns to get a perfect pet you can clone super easily

Step 3: ???

Step 4: just train pets normally bro like everyone else has for over a decade

[stuck brook]

This just benefits players who would otherwise spend money on pets. It's not like it forces anyone to start using this. It also gives players who don't normally spend crowns on snacks or elixers to start spending crowns on pets if they know they can guarantee the talents on them

[unkempt basin]

UBR pretty much summed it up.

And if this were to be implemented I could almost guarantee you wouldn't be able to get the pets you're not wanting to spend the time hatching for.

[olive basin]

Ok lemme phrase it differently

Leave pet hatching alone if you make it easier in one regard they'll make it worse in another

[stuck brook]

Is that because they can exploit players off of gambling pets? Why wouldn't they benefit the players who want to spend money on the game and support it? It's like if they did donation events you should only get a chance receiving the best reward from it.

[unkempt basin]

What

Breeding the best pets requires 0$ and 0cents

[stuck brook]

Yes, and yet when you spend crowns on the game you get no benefit other than proceeding quicker. Why would you not want a better benefit than that? You would be okay waiting up to months farming couch potatoes and snacks from them as a f2p or spend $80 per pet just for it have chances at failing? Mind you gear farming doesn't even take months to do all that.

[olive basin]

Play the game

Training pets isn't that bad I promise

[unkempt basin]

I feel like you're blowing the difficultly and time out of proportion.

[olive basin]

There doesn't need to be a "no more pet training time to just buy all the talents" system in place

[unkempt basin]

Or a "negate double pet xp event" system

[stuck brook]

I mean when they fail at Epic, it's pretty bad. But for the players who spend money on this game they still have to feed their pets snacks with the idea I put out. This would be an additional thing that players who are too rich to make pets as they please or give opportunity to those who want chances at spending crowns without feeling like they wouldn't get rewarded by a pet failing.

At least this post isn't something like straight up copy the pet you're hatching with for X amount of crowns lol that would be too crazy of an idea

[olive basin]

bro that is what your post is

being able to guarantee a base pet lets you copy it to as many other pet bodies as you want

[unkempt basin]

This is what your post is. Just with extra steps.

[stuck brook]

I mean those extra steps are feeding the pet which is half of how pet making works.

So you guys are meaning to tell me that you're okay with a completely additional non-enforced feature not being added just for the sake that it would make pet breeding too easy?

[potent thicket]

It would remove the challenge of getting the pet with the right talents that you want. Breeding the perfect pet from the ground up requires several generations of pets levelled up to adult so that they can even breed. Removing that necessity would basically crash the pet snack economy as well as negate most reasons to farm out collecting pets, and make the game even more p2w. Buy crowns, buy piggle from shop, load it with every skill you'd need to carry you to max level, profit. Spending crowns to basically whale the perfect pet isn't pay to progress like warframe, that's just straight up p2w (especially considering you cannot filter skills to not be bought so that pvp pets can just be bought out.)

Like you wouldn't see it as fair if you could just buy the perfect gear piece/set for crowns without having to do any of the grinding for it. It's no different than it is with breeding pets for specific skills.

[stuck brook]

You're telling me a piggle or any base pet is naturally going to have the perfect talents you want and you wouldn't have to hatch it a few times? I said picking out a talent is only possible from only the pool it has and you have to reveal them in the first place. Plus you still would need snacks to feed it you're not going to magically get hundreds of snacks from somewhere in a short time for one pet to become Epic or Ultra. But I will say unfortunately boss chests do exist and so do world packs which means you can buy your gear technically.

Perhaps we could chang this picking talent could be reset the pets's level instead?Would this be much better? Because you benefit from altering the same pet and still rely on rng to manifest the talent you want? I'm hopeful that someone who sees this as an objectively bad idea can give it thought to see if it can work. However it seems the cons outweight the pros because crown whales get to p2w in a better deal.

At least this is what I'm understanding and I'm sorry if I'm not getting the point here or seeing the picture being painted right in front of me. I just feel there could definitely be a method to this madness to enhance which stats you actually want on a pet without negatively effecting other aspects because of core elements.

[limpid tusk]

im just gonna mention that the pet's talents are pre-determined when the egg enters your inventory, so whether you level it up on test realm or live realm, it manifests the same talents in the same order, (teen, adult, ancient etc). but idk if that affects your suggestion

[stuck brook]

I didn't know this so yeah that would basically not make sense for re-leveling up a pet. At that point though, revealing what the pet will manifest for crowns would actually seem the best way to go about it I think instead of picking out talents.

Why would you pick them out when all you need to do is know what will be manifested or not? If the crowns needed to spend was balanced it could potentially save players the headache of leveling up a pet just for it to fail. Again I must say it has to be balanced price so rich crown owners don't take advantage of this by not using their paid snacks per pet they reveal and so that F2P players could use this so it's worth investing crowns into. Heck this could even become a free reward in pet events or a buyable elixir.

Idk at the rate this thread is going, it just seems like the players invested don't seem to have an incentive to improve upon pet making as it ruins the community they've built over the years and that's completely understandable

[unkempt basin]

Yes.

[unreal shuttle]

Ok so what about maybe improving on the purchase stat option making it a purchase of a stat reroll when the pet levels of course it could be a one shot reroll per age level of the pet

[stuck brook]

Yes. I think having a chance to reroll the stat and reveal the talents on your pet along with what talents it's going to manifest.

However I heard this idea was floated by some other hatching groups though so I cannot take credit for this.

My take is that the reroll could act a lot like the boss chest reroll in that it keeps going up as you use it. I do think it needs a limit to how high it can go though.

I just don't know what to tell the players who basically say "get good" to this idea since it involves making pets easier

[heavy furnace]

I think the only way this could be done is with some form of "rewinding" effect where all the talents of a pet are rerolled, using up a hatch timer and resetting a pet back to baby. This effectively lets you pull from the same pool but doesn't guarentee any particular result.

[limpid tusk]

at that point it's equivalent to hatching a new pet from the same copied pool/body💀

[stuck brook]

The only way you're realistically going to make better pets if you have a control on their outcome. To some this is too much and considered P2W.

So either embracing crowns spent on a pet or not is seems to be a one way street except for the facts of buying elixers or snack packs as they don't influence the talents that manifest.

To why a simple side thing has this much controversy beats me when there's plenty of other things in the game to use crowns on.