Weaving should allow Power Pips to be used with your Secondary School

[midnight prism]

I think that whenever you decide to weave into another school, at some point you should be able to unlock the ability for power pips to be used with that school you chose to weave into.

A different way this feature could be implemented is by adding a brand new Diamond Jewel that would allow us to do this instead? Amulets or decks obtained from raids, packs, or endgame content could have the corresponding socket to use Diamond Jewels.

[junior fractal]

They gave us a reason for why they chose not to do this on the KI Livestreams, but I don't agree with them because it made no sense.

[pale oasis]

The feature is implemented, its called Archmastery

[midnight prism]

Really? If you don't mind me asking, what was the reasoning for it? Was it to do with School Pips?

[midnight prism]

Problem with Archmastery is as they add more spells that use different school pips, you will not be able to properly dual school. Especially with how well the Wallaru spells are

[pale oasis]

You can freely change your school pip you generate whenever you want

If you're using the fusions you likely arent alpha striking which means youre in advanced content which means you SHOULD be changing school pips - if youre alpha striking you likely arent using the fusions

[spare matrix]

even in advance combat, you sometimes need a mastery amulet still bc arch mastery by itself isnt enough all the time, so if weaving let us have mastery on top of it eventually then it would free up a amulet slot thus making it easier to work out a build bc u dont need that mastery amulet for whatever role imo, just one example

[midnight prism]

I haven't ever done raiding or PvP in general so I have no clue how it comes down to that aspect. But if it's such an issue you could always just not allow it in that section for more challenge

[junior fractal]

Yeah archmsstery is their solution to it

[midnight prism]

I will say though switching pips between your lore spells or even the woven lore spells will be very tricky at that when you could just normally main your own school for better things. Like stats or actual playability. Why pull a spell from another class with less damage and souly rely on archmastery when that could fail as well

[midnight prism]

As they add more lore spells that use different pips or even 6 pip hits with a school pip attached, they'll start to understand how complicated it will be to actually use things like that fluently. It's already a niche concept and to make the way it works more niche does not help

[rancid zodiac]

archmastery isnt enough

this has been said far too many times but weaving should 100% grant you mastery of the school you chose. its unfair that enemies can have multiple masteries but we cant. i mean even those awful bosses in azteca have multiple masteries

archmastery doesnt let us use 7 pip aoes turn 2

[scenic widget]

You can have multiple masteries its called mastery amulets

[rancid zodiac]

but why am i forced to sacrifice valuable stats for it

secondary mastery is not worth health, resist, damage/pierce

enemies dont need to sacrifice anything, why should we?

high level weaving should grant that

[frozen jetty]

I mentioned it in a different thread, but maybe unique, exclusive mastery amulets can be Weaving rewards? IE A storm weaving into Life gets a Life Mastery Amulet with GREAT stats, but it can only be equipped by a Storm weaving into Life

[rancid zodiac]

this could definitely be a W

it all depends on the stats

[frozen jetty]

let me reference some of the best amulets

[frozen jetty]

using Takanobu as a reference, it'd be 8% resist, 800 HP, Pip 125 pip conserve, 1 copy of the Offensive Utility and 1 of my made up Defensive Utility, and the Mastery itself.

[rancid zodiac]

would the stats differ from school to school or all the same?

[frozen jetty]

I was thinking all the same

[rancid zodiac]

okay then thats doable

now thats a mastery amulet worth going for

hopefully they see this

[scenic widget]

Because you're getting mastery over a second school ?

It's a trade-off ?

[rancid zodiac]

thats a very unbalanced trade off

you may as well not have an amulet equipped at all

i want to keep my stats while also gaining mastery

[frozen jetty]

proof of concept for these stat mastery amulets

[scenic widget]

these are literally just omen amulets

but with more health and resist

[solar sail]

it's a reward for hitting weaving 6
Makes sense to me

[scenic widget]

What im saying is we have a functionally identical amulet already in the game

Because health and resist are irrelevant

So if these would see usage then omen amulets are fine as is

[frozen jetty]

this... admittedly looks a bit worse?

[scenic widget]

2 square jewels

same health functionally

the only thing is resist difference

And the blade item card

[frozen jetty]

noted, I should add jewel slots to my concept weaving mastery amulets

[scenic widget]

Wait this is for FIRE wizards?

8 resist 800 health amulet for a fire wizard?

Plus sockets would make it literally higher than the health life gets on their amulets 💀

Why is fire getting so many defensive stats on gear

[frozen jetty]

to simplify things, I just decided to give all the amulets the same stats. (which I based on the Life Takanobu amulet)

[midnight prism]

Why should trading off your primary stats for a secondary be the incentive though when players already want to maximize their primaries in the first place? Surely there's some way to implement mastery implementation without hindering that because currently you're barely able to dual school EFFECTIVELY that is.

Having 180-190 damage and like 20 pierce is not the moves. You can get better stuff but that involves crowned gear and additional farming

[scenic widget]

You can get significantly more pierce than 20 what

You can functionally dual school at max, the trade-off being your damage for both schools will be slightly lower than if you fully invested in one school

[midnight prism]

You most certainly can get quite good stats and I know because I have them but what's the point of dual schooling if you never get to really use it in tandem with your own school? You're not going to use lore spells nor other school pip spells without a mastery. Which may I need to say, unless you have tons of spellements you're just going to be using a secondary school for damage or pvp

[scenic widget]

So crazy concept but you're allowed to use whatever spells you want in standard pve

Nothing will ever be better than the current PvE 'meta'

Dual schooling will always remain for either wizards wanting to have fun or for advanced combat

As it stands, you can functionally hit stat caps in two separate schools

[rancid zodiac]

thats awful

thats is a horrible amulet

[scenic widget]

Which is why everyone runs omen amulets in advanced combat if they need mastery

[rancid zodiac]

i can understand advanced combat

but i meant for pve

im not trading 10 uni resist and over 1k additional hp and pierce/damage sockets for THAT

theres no debate on this

[scenic widget]

It has 2 square sockets you arent trading health, you're trading 1 circle and 1 triangle socket for mastery

[rancid zodiac]

thats far too much. thats pierce/damage loss

[scenic widget]

Yes, thats intended, its a trade-off

[midnight prism]

I feel like saying nothing will be better and turning down ideas to making something that could be better is a little counterintuitive here. If dual Schooling is going to be marketed as a "fun" scheme as they continue to add school pip things and now fusion a whole new area. I don't see the points of caring about PvE anymore.

[rancid zodiac]

as well as accuracy

that is not a balanaced trade off at all

[scenic widget]

Yes it is, you get full mastery and don't need to build around archmastery at all

[rancid zodiac]

no that is not

nobody is giving up the stats i said above for the little niche stats of the mastery amulet

in pve

[scenic widget]

Because in pve the only stats that matter are damage and pierce

Every single other stat is completely irrelevant

But that isn't stopping you from dual schooling, which is very much possible in standard pve

[rancid zodiac]

the general point is that the current mastery amulets available are horrible in PvE.

archmastery is also not enough either. i want to be able to use my 7-pip turn 2 like everybody else

advanced content is an entire other world that i dont wanna be a part of

[rancid zodiac]

i use all 7 schools on my character so i fully understand this

but needing to wait 2 turns to nova/dragon/orhty is not cutting it

[scenic widget]

Because archmastery replaced them, and the trade-off to avoid using archmastery is to use a mastery amulet, which sacrifices some offensive stats for mastery and avoiding to need to build any archmastery at all

Adding a mastery amulet with a circle and triangle socket is broken

There needs to be a trade-off somewhere

[rancid zodiac]

but why does the trade off need to be so extreme

like i said, you may as well not have an amulet equpped

[scenic widget]

It's genuinely not that extreme, you just need to build around dual schooling

If mastery amulets with a circle + triangle socketed existed all dual schooling builds would just be reaver gear with mastery amulet and pins

Thats it

[rancid zodiac]

sir. please go and compare the stats of any reaver amulet to any mastery amulet and tell me what you see

[scenic widget]

Please re-read what I wrote

[rancid zodiac]

^^^^

thats why i said what i said previously

[rancid zodiac]

the trade is is too much is the point.

i shouldnt be trading vital stats for a mechanic that should be granted by default with weaving

and the same mechanic that tons of enemies have while also keeping their own stats. this is where things get unfair

[scenic widget]

Alright so basically what im getting at is

[rancid zodiac]

im listening

[scenic widget]

Mastery amulets and archmastery should both be made obsolete

In favor of just giving the player free mastery

Over a second school

With no drawback

[scenic widget]

Because the enemies run off ai that is garbage at strategy?????????

[rancid zodiac]

with higher weaving levels, it should absolutely be free with no drawback. the entire community knows how god awful the quests are, so our reward should compensate

[steady rock]

Weaving wouldn’t be made obsolete? The pips themselves are required to cast spells, they would still be used

[midnight prism]

You say this like that isn't something to improve on. Not seeing why we should be sticking to the way the game has been for 10+ years when they're implementing game changing features

[steady rock]

Archmastery* sorry

[rancid zodiac]

soop is right aswell

archmastery is indeed required for most spells lol

[rancid zodiac]

this is their biggest opportunity to change it for the better

im telling you. if mastery was the reward for max level weaving, id be questing hard with no complaints

[scenic widget]

What defines max level weaving though if they're going to (hopefully) keep adding weaving quests as more worlds come out + finishing up the rest of arc 1 and arc 2

[rancid zodiac]

oh i guess there is no max level weaving atm is there

[scenic widget]

Also its more likely that something like what @frozen jetty gets implemented for a very high weaving rank, where you get a special mastery amulet, instead of it just being innate mastery

[rancid zodiac]

its still a brand new feature

[scenic widget]

Nope, goes up to tier 3, and thats not even making it to arc 2 yet

Just KT, MB and MS

[rancid zodiac]

true

[rancid zodiac]

im all for that idea

i dont mind losing a little bit of stats, just as long as they arent a lot

because the amulets they came up with are livable for sure

[midnight prism]

This thread talks about adding a Diamond Jewel socket to the game that could give mastery. This could also mean Diamond jewels would need high level weaving and would be locked behind a very very hard boss like raids or a painful cheating boss

[rancid zodiac]

diamond jewels, interesting

i didnt read the entire thread

[midnight prism]

Bruh

[rancid zodiac]

it still falls in line with the mastery stuff

[frozen jetty]

uh.... knowing a general lack of retroactivity, maybe they can be square or triangle jewels that do that.

[solar sail]

Probably square if anything

[rancid zodiac]

square would be more reasonable

since triangles are required for accuracy

[midnight prism]

I mean that could be a thing but then we run into balancing issues again

[rancid zodiac]

id drop an hp square for a mastery square in a heartbeat

[midnight prism]

So how would previous masterys work that have square sockets? I imagine multiple masterys would be too op

[rancid zodiac]

back to the drawing board

[scenic widget]

Just make it a power pin option and you can only have 1 at once

You can make up the accuracy loss elsewhere easily

[rancid zodiac]

you can have multiple power pins

[scenic widget]

..

lol

[rancid zodiac]

well schools with lower acc require all acc pins and acc triangle

you wouldnt have space

[scenic widget]

Game already has the tech in it to disable jewels from functioning this could be the same thing, if you have multiple masteries pinned you can disable them all

[scenic widget]

This is in a theoretical future where they finish the dual school jewels as weaving rank rewards (Which in turn would mean accuracy)

[rancid zodiac]

ah right, that could be a thing

theyll have to do it right if so. you need 45% acc minimum for storm lol

[scenic widget]

Also I feel like its worth noting that dual schooling will absolutely become more powerful as time goes on with more weaving ranks

Rn we only have tier 3

There's enough worlds in the game for tier 16

Not counting arcanum and side worlds

[frozen jetty]

I think they said something about increasing the rank by 1 each year?

[midnight prism]

If they add dual jewels for accuracy and damage like they did with pierce, then a mastery could actually possibly work. Even if it only adds health

[frozen jetty]

though, would they be... out of order in a sense? The current rewards are ordered differently based on the weaving, so would Rank 4 have Pins for some schools, Defensive Utilities for others, and Fusion AOEs for the rest? (using made up rewards as examples).

[rancid zodiac]

im a heavy cosplayer/dual-schooler in pve so im watering at the thought of dual damage and dual acc

[midnight prism]

I currently have 230 fire damage, 202 storm damage,
Perfect accuracy for both. 700+ fire crit, 500 some storm crit, and 18 storm pierce with 36 fire pierce

[rancid zodiac]

now thats awesome! i cosplayed fire and storm

went all-in for those with little regard for my own school

238 storm damage, 45% storm accuracy, 740 crit / 16 pierce or 128 crit / 46 pierce

fire is about the same

[neon mango]

love this idea, it should def take effect

it would also incentivize weaving into another school

[west turtle]

The reason why they won't do this is because they don't want people to have mastery into 4 schools at once (Main school, amulet mastery school, arch school and weave school)

[cloud ermine]

You only need 35% storm accuracy

[rancid zodiac]

actually yea you do only need 35%

but you cant get exactly 35% LOL

you either go way over or way under

[cloud ermine]

Way over is a bit of an overstatement I think? I'm currently at 36% storm acc on my myth

[rancid zodiac]

i have 2 accuracy pins and 2 acurracy jewels

7 + 7 + 15 + 16

[cloud ermine]

I have 2 accuracy pins, universal accuracy talent pet and an accuracy jewel
7 + 7 + 6 + 16

[rancid zodiac]

ah pet talent

[cloud ermine]

Yeah I'm a sharp-shot truther, in some builds, especially ones where the off-school damage cap is easier to hit, it's a really good add

Like when I was running Myth / fire pre-selenopolis I was able to make really flexible accuracy decisions, like using a 7% uni jewel instead of a 16% school jewel to cover one of the lower accuracy burden schools to counter OTs

[rancid zodiac]

with the 45% accuracy

pet is a huge factor

[cloud ermine]

What's the pet looking like?

[rancid zodiac]

pain giver, storm dealer, storm giver, spell defy, mighty

spell proof socket

[cloud ermine]

I don't quite remember what the standard 170 death gear setup looked like, is there any way to switch the shield pin slot with another power pin slot without losing out on necessary stats?

[rancid zodiac]

well that depends on the school youre using

i use all schools on my death and some setups are different

my myth and fire sets use wastelanders grim hat. 2 sword 1 power

so extra accuracy slot

youre just trading off some hp

[cloud ermine]

You could also replace the 15% accuracy amethyst with a universal to still bypass the 35% cap and have a bit more flexibility in non-storm casting

[rancid zodiac]

well i dont use death at all (for fire storm and ice)

i go all in on the school im speccing into

i only use death with my balance myth and life sets since the accuracy for both schools is 100%

[midnight prism]

This post does talk about adding a new jewel type instead (Daimond Jewels). Personally I don't see anyone being able to effectively run more than 2 schools at once. If stats aren't an issue then I guess it is possible

[silk laurel]

Either a weave mastery amulet or weave mastery jewel would be perfect. Could even have a system in place where you can only have one mastery at a time like how pet jewels are canceled out if there’s a duplicate stat, so no tri-schooling.

As it’s been said, sacrificing loads of resist for mastery is much too punishing.

Weaving has so much going for it, let’s get it done right

[solar sail]

Look at the PvP mastery amulets
They have universal resist and provide mastery

[silk laurel]

Yep exactly

So I don’t see why we can’t have the same for PvE, especially now.

[solar sail]

Here's my take on a Weaving Mastery Amulet
Basically slightly worse than Reaver/Avatar

Especially with a tear socket instead of a circle/square

[pale oasis]

that is so broken dear lord

[solar sail]

how so?

[silk laurel]

Triangle slot

[solar sail]

all 170 amulets have triangle sockets

[pale oasis]

They dont want cosplay in the game

[solar sail]

Literally every single one

[silk laurel]

Yeah I wouldn’t know, I’m stuck with omen mastery amulet

Thus, this whole thread

[pale oasis]

you arent making the person pay for the mastery at all

[solar sail]

1. This is a weaving reward, time is part of the cost to get it
2. It's worse than reaver/avatar if you don't use the mastery part of it

[silk laurel]

Not sure how you’re cosplaying tbh. You’re weaved into it, and you earn these abilities.

[pale oasis]

How is archmastery not enough unless you want to only use storm spells in which case youre cosplaying

[solar sail]

Challenge mode Battles

Where mastery amulets are still heavily required

[pale oasis]

that doesnt answer the question 😂

[solar sail]

I just told you why
Archmastery is very limited in challenge mode battles

[pale oasis]

Archmastery follows pvp rules so no it isnt

[silk laurel]

Much less efficient, I carry both lore fire spells and lore life spells in my deck. If I wish to use my lore fire spells early, I must start with a fire pip, which then takes away the ability to use my other life spells effectively without mastery.

It’s clunky, not to mention can’t use five pip secondary spells either at the start of the battle.

[pale oasis]

yes thats part of the game having INTERESTING DECISIONMAKING 😂

[silk laurel]

I still switch pips, and even use myth pips for purge, so still getting a lot outta the system

[solar sail]

In challenge mode archmastery is determined by the amount of cards in your deck

[pale oasis]

"The game makes me choose between things instead of giving me power for free HOW DARE THEY "

[pale oasis]

I am fully aware

[silk laurel]

I think you may be misunderstanding this point

What do you have against it anyhow? Can’t be PvP since they’re already a thing there.

[pale oasis]

The devs are right on this one. Weaving does not and should not give mastery. I will agree to disagree and go about my day

[solar sail]

Agree to disagree, but have a good day

[silk laurel]

I mean yeah that’s fine, after all it’s a discussion

Anyhow, mastery will also be pretty important in using fusion spells, which I feel are going to become a lot more important in the future once we get some new ones

[midnight prism]

This is most understandable if the point of dual schooling wasn't to integrate it into your own. You currently sacrifice majority of stats on one side or another because pins are just not enough to be viable.
I just don't understand the argument KI says with cosplaying while pushing Fusion and dual schooling. There ***NEEDS ***to be a limit on other class stats based on your school if they're unhappy with say an Ice getting max storm damage and pierce. If you ask me, matching/limiting the off school's stats to your own is really the only way to make it seem "fair"

Until they change how damage jewels and pins work or straight up get rid of universal damage on gear, there will always be cosplay. My fix would be to improve more upon the pins and get rid of jewels that benefit other classes entirely, but that is way too dramatic of a change and doesn't help low levels at all since no gear has pins early on.

Whether if they decide to add new Diamond Jewels that implement mastery on existing amulets or if you level up weaving and can craft a new better mastery amulet from the trees. The point of a mastery with circle/triangle jewels is to help make that gap close where it is actually usable. If you go out of your way to hinder your stats/turns just to make it work, what is the point when you can just be better off as a main class or go all out in the other school?

[frozen jetty]

about that, Abyssal's is based on mine, so I can say those amulets ONLY give mastery for your weaving school.

[silk laurel]

I do understand a bit about the whole “it shouldn’t be free” thing, but weaving is certainly NOT free. You put lots of time and effort into completing the labors and quests on your journey to master your secondary school, it isn’t just grinding a random boss for a drop.

You should earn the ability to have a solid mastery amulet/jewel for your weaved school, showing how hard you’ve worked and finally getting a really good pay off that benefits everything you’ve learned up to that point.

I don’t think anyone here is saying that this ability should be slapped onto a low weaving rank, that would feel unearned. If it’s near or at the end of your weaving journey, then it’d be a really nice cap to it.

[scenic widget]

Weaving is free

???

It takes under a few hours to max out a school

It took people less than half a week to max all 6 schools

[silk laurel]

We gotta see how they pace out the rest of the weaving quest line, and of course it’s all relative to how much you play the game.

They did reduce the amount of grind since people were complaining

[scenic widget]

Weaving is still free, regardless of how many worlds there are

[silk laurel]

We may have different definitions of free. I count the quest times and journey as the price. A fun price imo

[scenic widget]

Having a amulet with a triangle socket and mastery is broken, if anything it should be triangle socket for mastery

[scenic widget]

By definition of the actual word free, weaving is free

[silk laurel]

Hey I myself didn’t suggest that specific amulet, personally I just want mastery without sacrificing tons of my resist and health

[silk laurel]

Again, I see time spent as a cost, you do not. We just have differing views which is fine

If we all had the same opinion then it’d be an echo chamber which I don’t think would be taken seriously

[scenic widget]

Mastery needs a sacrifice somewhere, right now its a circle and triangle socket, at minimum you need to be losing something; playing the game is not a downside/sacrifice of something

[frozen jetty]

I mean, it's time investment if anything.

[silk laurel]

Personally I like the double square slots, and if that’s the sacrifice then all good for me, however losing a large chunk of durability isn’t so cool

[midnight prism]

The thing is this sacrifice is only applying to half of the things we have and not health, critical, critical block, or resist. This is bad for support players who already get bad damage and bad for offense players as they're better off using their main school. There has gotta be better ways to go about this other than it needs to be this way just because.

[solar sail]

Y'know talking about sacrifices
What about dual pierce jewels? I mean it's just a straight increase, no trade-off, no downside. Just better than a 6% pierce jewel in every way, since "playing the game is not a downside/sacrifice of something"

[vocal perch]

The difference is: Support players are built to support. Not hit. Also, archmastery exists. Just use archmastery

[silk laurel]

I just knew one of y’all would pull up the definition

But yeah I’m pretty positive you know what I mean

[solar sail]

By the literal definition of cost, you should not be paid for working at a job

[vocal perch]

I understand the point your trying to make. Thats not cost.

[vocal perch]

I'm sorry but I just lost brain cells with that what?

do you know what a job is?

[solar sail]

I do

Putting time into something is a cost

[vocal perch]

this leads me to think otherwise

[silk laurel]

You know what they say, time is money and you spend time getting these weaving ranks.

Would ya say Reaver gear is free? I wouldn’t say so, since you spend a considerable amount of time farming for it in a long dungeon, which costs you time.

I think we can both agree that the longer and harder it takes to get something, naturally the better it should be

[solar sail]

https://tenor.com/view/denzel-washington-get-out-no-hell-gif-10700690

[silk laurel]

This especially holds true in a subscription based game I’d say

[vocal perch]

Ight, so welcome to my Ted Talk on what a job is.

It is me. a worker. offering to labor for someone if they give me money. There is a cost, because I don't flip burgers at McDonalds for free.

Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk

[vocal perch]

why are we looking at gear progression in a strictly transactional sense?

[silk laurel]

Because cost was brought up probably.

I get the whole “these mastery amulets shouldn’t be stronger than the standard”, and maybe so, but they shouldn’t have such a drastic sacrifice due to the best ones being so dated.

I just want an updated mastery amulet line that goes up to 170, unlocked via weaving if possible since I think that fits the whole idea of dual schooling

[solar sail]

I'm confused are saying time and labor is a cost or isn't?

[vocal perch]

It is a resource that you give to someone in exchange for monetary value

[vocal perch]

This is a built in mastery amulet that lets you get power pips in any school

[silk laurel]

We’ve gone over this a few times how it’s not exactly the same as a true mastery

[vocal perch]

how come?

[solar sail]

I have slightly different reason, Archmastery isn't always an option. Especially in challenge mode fights when you only bring a few cards

[vocal perch]

get a higher archmastery stat

[silk laurel]

^

[vocal perch]

thats just strategy in fights

[solar sail]

Nope, in challenge mode archmastery is based on how many cards you have in your deck. Few cards = no school pips

[silk laurel]

Using both mastery and arch-mastery together makes the fights even more entertaining and expands possible strategies

[vocal perch]

you can't as a hitter in any rpg just willy nilly use spells from like a healer without any sort of statistical or useful trade off

[vocal perch]

thats not how it works. I would know, I literally make guides for this stuff. Also, if you wanna use archmastery that bad use more cards, or plan around it more

[silk laurel]

I’m sure you know of the Paladin archetype yes? They can both attack their enemies, while healing their friends.

They’re not the best at either aspect, but they’re balanced in both

[vocal perch]

point me to the paladin in wiz

[silk laurel]

You’re looking at em

That’s how I built my character

[vocal perch]

it also makes you scores more powerful then is balanced (hence why masteries have been phased out in favor of arch)

[solar sail]

Ehh, could be me misunderstanding it too
Had a run where I had a full deck and had one turn 1, vs a run with like 5 cards and never got close after 5 rounds

[vocal perch]

and you have legitamate statistical disadvantages because of it

[silk laurel]

Not exactly, you still need to sacrifice stats for outgoing if you want to get some actual usable heals in

[vocal perch]

its a combination of archmastery rating and deck size, but if you build for arch you can get it if your really committed to it

[silk laurel]

Indeed, that is the price of this playstyle. It’s very fun, and improving on it will always be my goal.

This weaving update has helped with that drastically, and with time I can see my playstyle getting better and better. That’s why I’m enjoying this game so much right now, because of the creative choices you can make with your character you couldn’t before

And truly mastering your weave at the end by unlocking a mastery amulet or jewel, would be a great reward at the end of the journey.

Plus like, this only helps get more enjoyment outta the game, which is dah point. Not like this would be a PvP issue since they already have mastery amulets with good stats last I checked

[vocal perch]

They really don't. There's a reason they aren't really run in pvp

[silk laurel]

It’s still an option though, but that’s PvP which I have no knowledge of so can’t really get into that.

[solar sail]

1st Image: Uber Freshbaker Rope (140)
2nd Image: Provisional Fire Talisman (140)

[vocal perch]

Well again, masteries already exist and have significant statistical tradeoffs and arch mastery is a more balanced system that upholds school identity

Masteries basically let you full cosplay incredibly easily. Obviously, that goes against the point really of picking a school

[silk laurel]

They can still have statistical tradeoffs, but they stop at 130 with the paradox ones, that’s the issue.

[silk laurel]

I wouldn’t say it’s cosplaying, you are that school in essence. A fire wizard isn’t the same as a Wild-weaver.

But that’s just how I think of it personally

[vocal perch]

Well that's also the definition of cosplaying in this game and something the developers have made significant action to avoid

[silk laurel]

I’d say it’s cosplaying if for example an ice wizard exclusively uses storm spells instead of their own, which yeah I’d agree is strange.

But weaving is different, you use both of your chosen schools to your advantage, combining your attacks with them.

You shouldn’t stick to just one damage type as weaver, but use both fluidly to get maximum value out of the damage utility weaving spells like the Life Amplifies or Dual Blades.

[midnight prism]

They set up the reason why cosplay exists in the first place. They add damage jewels for schools other than your own to use and continues to add universal damage to gear. They expanded upon the spells you can learn in a secondary school as well. Again like I said in #1307670629398347810 message
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#1307670629398347810 message there's issues with sacrificing your own stats for another school. There should just be a limit based on your school or a stat match to your own school. That keeps it so that support players can keep supporting and offense players can keep hitting.

Why would a Storm hinder their hitting stat for another class when they could do so much more damage as their main instead?

Why hinder an Ice when their damage is already bad, encouraging to pour all offense stats into legit any other school than its own. Even if they start losing resist as a trade off they just stop becoming a support role and now have worse damage than everyone and have their resist.

Again you should not have to hinder yourself to dual school as it fundamentally makes core elements worse in every aspect. Archmastery exists for certain spells to not be spammed. Not for the roles of what mastery is trying to do which has been in the game way before. You objectively are never going to use another class's spell on an offensive class because of less damage and coupled with you need an extra turn when that turn benefits your own school more. On a support it's the opposite because you can forget your own school's damage in replacement of anothers school's while using a mastery, furthering the "cosplay". I mean we're not even talking about the implications of if you fail to pull a school pip which is rare but can happen without a good archmastery deck/jewels.

[vocal perch]

On the jewels point, cosplaying is already quite hindered by damage caps (why you only see the hitting schools and death do it). So, theres already a limit based on school to the amount of off school damage that people get.

"Why would a Storm hinder their hitting stat for another class when they could do so much more damage as their main instead?"

Cameca and other bosses that cheat cast chromatic weaknesses can have this bypassed by offschooling, or Freddie which does chromatic dispels.

"Why hinder an Ice when their damage is already bad, encouraging to pour all offense stats into legit any other school than its own"

You don't have the ice hit. Ice isn't a hitting school. This is how classes work, some are not built for hitting.

"Archmastery exists for certain spells to not be spammed"

Thats not the point of archmastery, its so you can off school effectively. You don't need mastery amulets use archmastery.

"You objectively are never going to use another class's spell on an offensive class because of less damage"

There are cases where this is done (Freddie, Cameca, Millispeeder, etc)

Overall, the point of weaving is to use the effects generated by other schools in order to bolster your own. Thats why you have the dual blades from storm, or the trap clear to weakness from dife weaving. Weaving isn't to make it so you offensively use multiple schools, its so you strategically use another school to benefit yourself.

[midnight prism]

Of course there's a stat cap for damage, but this is for all schools and is so you don't one shot everything not as a by product of dual schooling. Eventually we're going to run into resist caps and pierce caps in the gear continues to improve more and more without mobs being changed accordingly.

To what you're saying about those bosses, you should have to adapt to that boss that does that one specific thing instead of changing how dual schooling works everywhere else in the spiral.

As to what you say about Ice, they are allowed to hit and have no choice but to hit when solo playing. This is why dual stats should be matched to theirs so they don't take advantage of achieving higher damage on another class instead of their own. Again if you take from something else in ice or any school for that matter that doesn't hit? They become obsolete at their role and what's the point of that if they also cannot hit as good as the others? Weaving could partially fix this by just giving better utility spells though but then you're relying off another school's identity still rather than your own (specifically ones that give blades or traps)

I'm sorry but Archmastery plays a massive role on lore spells and in junction is trying to imitate masterys. It literally makes it much harder to use another class' lore spells alongside your own whether if it's back to back or in general swapping. This is important because Wallaru spells are a thing and lore spells are generally considered much better. Masterys will make it so you only have to worry about how often you get to use them instead of setting up for one school or another. It's objective to what is on a mastery base wise, but we are sacrificing 2 offensive jewel sockets right now and that's just a LOT when you're trying to spread your offense across 2 schools instead of one.

You are most certainly correct about how weaving fundamentally works. However, this is a suggestion thread that talks about improving on it further. I would love to say this isn't the case when weaving doesn't affect stats but dual pierce jewels are a thing so I can't help but to think that's not the case here.

[west turtle]

No mastery in this game has a triangle jewel

Comparing mastery amulets to 170 amulets is like comparing apples to eggs

[solar sail]

Here’s a comparison between 2 140 amulets

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[west turtle]

That’s a PvP amulet

Which isn’t necessarily balanced for all advanced content

[vocal perch]

I'm speaking about advanced combat which has hard stat caps for all stats. Standard pve is always going to be an unbalanced mess, and the real game balance is in advanced.

What your asking for is going to be used to full cosplay. Sure, maybe you won't, but that's exactly what people are going to do because we have mastery amulets now and that's what people do. The devs don't like cosplay. It's not changing how the game works to adapt to one boss, it's changing how the game works so the games balanced.

Ices don't hit in advanced. As a class they aren't supposed to hit hard anyways anywhere.

Arch mastery is a more balanced version of mastery. You use other spells to make your own stronger. Not you use other spells instead of your own. Your not supposed to be able to get everything you want, your supposed to make strategic tradeoffs.

[midnight prism]

It's almost like that doesn't matter then. I can get 200 damage on both schools of my choosing and perfect accuracy, and over 30 pierce on both as well. The only thing lacking would be critical at that point and it's for the other school and barely is needed. Unless you're talking about challenge modes or what have you then this would go along with it, but I've noticed you can't even get school pips in certain challenges making whatever you want to say about glorious school pips useless.

Also man why would KI not want this "cosplay" and then allow more cards to be learned in general? They could've kept it so the really good hits were behind treasure cards insuring you couldn't enchant but no that's not the case. Right now as it stands you have two options to dual schooling with stats. You either pick your school, or you pick the other one because it's just way too hard to do both.

I don't suppose you have any other great ideas how to fix "cosplaying" because right now an ice can get 230 storm damage with major hits. Any class can do this for any school with how they've set up the playstyle of gear. Either they're going to embark on making it more viable so you don't trade off your own school in the process or they're really going to nerf stats to a really bad spot. Like I have said twice now... They need to change pins, damage jewels, and universal damage on gear to start fixing this. If they're not willing to then dual schooling will simply not be viable.

We already have full cosplay, it's just you flip the schools. I have 230 fire damage and 202 storm damage. I can just as easily flip it so it's the other way around. I'm not sure who you have encountered that isn't prioitizing one school over the other when dual schooling. I know I have yet to see a single person use another school's spells besides fusion spells. And it's primarily for the blade or trap which a new potent/sharpen enchant could've worked just as well. Mind you we got those all the way in Azteca

[vocal perch]

Your missing that I'm strictly talking about advanced combat

[midnight prism]

Broski, you can properly dual school in advanced combat due to there being limits. You can have everything you need besides an extra 200 critical

[vocal perch]

You can cosplay. You can't dual school.

That's something that's both unwanted and kinda negates the whole school identity thing

[midnight prism]

Does this not mean they're going to have to change pins, damage jewels, and universal damage? What would you say could fix cosplay into dual schooling?

[vocal perch]

Taking away mastery amulets fixes the problem perfectly

[midnight prism]

I am able to achieve about 80% of max stats for raids WITHOUT a mastery

[vocal perch]

But your not going to be able to effectively use them

There's more than just stats

My guy you have no clue what your talking about

You realize what mastery does right

Id you are cosplaying myth and have. No myth power pips your useless. You can't cast any spell over 7 pips

Unless you get arch mastery as intended

But archmsstery is literally the more balanced version of mastery because you need to make statistical sacrifices for it

[midnight prism]

I do encourage you to explain what I don't know what I'm talking about. The idea is simply to have better masteries or weaving to eventually give mastery passively. I may not play PvP or advanced content, but I do know PvE is borked when it comes to actually dual schooling. From the sounds of what you just stated to my question about fixing the cosplaying into dual schooling. You said taking away masterys which seems implied completely. So not only are they going to have to nerf stats more, but they're going to have to take out something that has been in the game much much longer as well?

[vocal perch]

Masteries are what makes cosplaying work so well. If you remove masteries you can't cosplay anymore. Most bosses in raids and advanced won't let you get archmsstery pips, or if they do it's after a long time. That makes cosplaying essentially useless because it doesn't work on a pip level.

[midnight prism]

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I just don't know if that's going to be a foreseeable thing based on mastery PvP amulets being a thing. Unless that's strictly for PvP and not advanced combat? I will say it does seem far fetched to get rid of something that has been in the game much longer and to cater to advanced combat when that's not majority of questing or playing the game casually.

But like other than mastery being the main issue here are you not concerned with any school choosing any class and having 230 damage in it? If you are what can you do to change that?

[silk laurel]

That’ll hurt my identity as a Wild Weaver if I’m unable to effectively meld my attacks together due to pip inefficiency.

I’m not playing Wild weaver so I can just boost my fire damage with that aura, no, I’m using it so I can also synergize very well with Life magic. Using only one half of the weave is pretty lame and misses the whole point imo.

I’m not cosplaying a life, I’m playing a Wild Weaver, a new subclass that isn’t the same as a Fire or a Life, which’ll become much more apparent once we get more weaving spells/fusions.

[midnight prism]

I'm not gonna lie, hearing you or basically anyone go by an entirely new subclass just really brings a warm fuzzy feeling to me. It's such a cool concept to me and I'm all for it honestly. The HoT and DoTs go brrrrrr

[silk laurel]

Oh yes, I love manipulating all the OTs

[vocal perch]

You keep asking me the same question and I'm gonna keep giving you the same answer. I'm talking about advanced combat

[vocal perch]

Sure your playing weaving in a unique way but the vast majority of players, if they passively get mastery, will abuse it to cosplay without penalty

[silk laurel]

Yeah, that’s definitely an issue that’s difficult to mend.

I mean it’s why I think a new mastery should be locked behind near or at the highest tier of weaving, so someone can’t just casually grab mastery and go to town. No, they gotta work for it.

[midnight prism]

So in other words no comment as it doesn't pertain to advanced combat, only the mastery aspect

[midnight prism]

Just keep in mind he is strictly talking about advanced combat, not PvE

[silk laurel]

I mean weaving is linked with advanced content so I’m aware.

I like both types of content, though advanced lets me do more stuff with my OTs

[vocal perch]

Even if I need to do the 12 labors of Hercules it's an incredibly unbalanced outcome.

[silk laurel]

I look more at the journey than the destination, but I do see where you’re coming from.

I’m not asking for some busted mastery amulet that’s statistically better than the current best, but just an alternative level 170 mastery that has a similar stat line, just reduced

I’ve already sacrificed a lot with my current build, don’t see why I need to continuously lose out on 3-7 uni resist as well.

But hey the future is bright in wiz so we just gotta see where that takes us

[vocal perch]

At that point why is there a need to it. How is that going to be better and encourage people to weave when they can just run omen a couple of times and have what they need

[silk laurel]

I mean I’m using an omen amulet right now, and my resist is only 31 because it has no uni resist, only 7 life resist. [the blade is nice though ngl]

It’s a super dated amulet

[midnight prism]

The one I like the most is the Darkmoor one since it gives Accuracy and damage

However seeing this level 90 one makes me wonder if that tear socket would be worth putting in an enchant or not

[rancid zodiac]

call me insane but i was thinking about this

because trade-offs seem to be oh so important

id be able to live with

weaving into school will immediately grant you mastery of that school, but you lose mastery for your own school

id 100% be down for that. im not using my own school anyways so why would mastery for it matter

[vocal perch]

that makes spell weaving actively detrimental for most people

[rancid zodiac]

ah

id be down to give up primary school mastery if it was an option then

[vocal perch]

Like, you choose, or you must have mastery in the school you weave into

[rancid zodiac]

like if i weave into a school, i can choose whether i want to acquire mastery for it

i mean at least that sounds like it fits KI whole thing. enemies can have 50 masteries at once and players cant even have 2

so id be content with giving up primary mastery for a mastery of my choice

[midnight prism]

This is legit swapping school identities without actually swapping. Honestly, in PvP this could possibly make sense. I do want to point out though with how stats work and that there's PvP masterys that are good or even tc. Why would this be a feature to begin with in that criteria.

Pretty sure Weaving is suppose to weave another school into your primary school anyhow, not the other way around. Though what you're talking about could become another sub class and have specific spells going the other way around. Just not sure if players or KI want to go down that route and it doesn't make sense as you should basically be flip the schools you're playing and weave that way instead.

[silk laurel]

Yeah heavy disagree with that. Completely nullifies the entire point of weaving, and might as well just make a whole new wizard at that point.

If you want to balance these weave mastery amulet concepts, then I’d say have them give only the stats and jewel slots that fit the weaved school’s identity. Like a life weaving amulet having square slots and mainly giving health and p-conserve, while a storm weaving amulet would give a circle slot and critical.

They’d be very specialized, not a direct upgrade that’s given for “free”.

[rancid zodiac]

thats pvp and i dont care about that

im thinking from a pve perspective

i want a way to nova turn 2 without needing to slaughter my stats

so the solution is to let me trade my primary mastery for balance mastery

when off schooling your primary school is irrelevant anyway

[midnight prism]

So like um if you read what I replied with, it mentions me talking about what you said too. Not just PvP. Unfortunately PvP is something that needs some consideration as advanced combat is a thing and that's how you get raid gear.

Also to what you're saying here, I have to ask. Why not make a new character then and flip the schools you're weaving?

[rancid zodiac]

i dont want to make a new wizard when i can just make 1 wizard do everything

pvp/advanced content and general pve are different worlds though

[midnight prism]

I have to agree to disagree here. My concensus on how it should be handled is keep dual stats to pins and keep jewel sockets to your school or cards. I do like what you have in mind though somewhat

[silk laurel]

If there must be a sacrifice in stats, then have it be for the ones not relevant for your weaved school’s identity.

Life is the health school, so it a weaving amulet for that would boast much HP, as it’s the “essence” of life’s stat line.

A fire mastery would give pierce, ice resist, etc.

[midnight prism]

I don't believe we need sacrifices and it's a hard maybe on replacing stats. The reason behind that is because you're either going to be more viable as your main school and stick to that or the other way around. I have yet to see someone pull off a good dual roll for PvE. Maybe this is because of the blade blade aoe though but I've done quite a bit of boss fights too.

[rancid zodiac]

thats stat slaughtering. nobody wants to trade vital stats like HP, damage, pierce, etc for mastery. thats the issue with the current amulets we have.

i want to keep all of my stats while gaining mastery for a school of my choice, the only cost being mastery for my primary school.

like i said, your primary school holds no power in the first place, so its a reasonable cost

[silk laurel]

It’s a compromise, there’s two sides to this discussion

We need a middle ground

[midnight prism]

You mean the school you gummy bunny (ice) is playing. If this weren't the case you'd be playing another character that did hold power and weave into one that isn't. Otherwise how does limiting the cards you play or the gear you can use not hold more power in that reguard?

[rancid zodiac]

i would not be playing another character in any case. i despise the leveling and questing experience as its time consuming and takes too much effort.

ive invested and worked hard to make my 1 character harness all 7 schools, that way i dont have to waste so much time leveling another character. with 6 of these schools, the primary school is useless when i have so many more options and spells from any school that i want

[midnight prism]

Hey if dual damage jewels make it into the game then this discussion can end. Just pins would need to maybe be readjusted. We don't want someone with 260+ offschool damage lol

[rancid zodiac]

i just dont see a reason why i would need to keep primary school mastery when im using spells from a different school and none from the primary. i dont see an issue with straight up giving up the mastery for the mastery you want

[silk laurel]

This discussion wouldn’t end, I don’t care about the damage I care about the mastery.

I’d actually rather have mastery over damage jewels if I have to be honest but that’s just me

[rancid zodiac]

agreed. reaching 235+ off-school damage is already doable

ive done it for each school

[midnight prism]

I can see why it's quite a lengthy process but that's why level potions are becoming a thing. This is an mmo rpg game and it's bound to take time just like any game. Personally that's what's fun to me not the endless hours of grinding. I just don't think KI is rooting for everything to be done on one character souly. Gear is a thing and so are card limits

[silk laurel]

As they say, gamers will always optimize the fun outta the game, so it’s by nature that the alpha striking blade blade aoe garbage will prevail whenever it can be done.

However that doesn’t take away the ability to properly use both of your schools together and play your way. Like I said, I use both parts of my weave and not only is it fun, it’s useable. Naturally it takes more time to get going, but that’s more time having fun in battle so I see it as a win-win.

[rancid zodiac]

oh absolutely not, i agree with that. they dont push or encourage it at all but i just managed to do it (and im probably the only one that has achieved it honestly) doing everything on 1 character. the resources are available though so i just went for it.

i achived a feat that KI did not encourage at all and im upset that i dont get any mastery for any school that i want basically

[midnight prism]

I don't think we need to be doing away with damage jewels. But I see where you're coming from if that meant masterys became better

[rancid zodiac]

from a pve perspective though using a 7-pop aoe turn 2 is amazing for most fights. we have wallaru aoes but id rather a stronger more reliable one

[silk laurel]

Oh I never tried to imply to get rid of damage jewels, I’m just saying I value mastery [and accuracy, where’s our dual accuracy KI?] over damage, which is very plentiful already.

[silk laurel]

A new aoe would just be another animation and big damage number you’ll get tired of seeing after a week, adding no substance.

Battles end quick enough already, I actually want to play the game

[rancid zodiac]

never said anything about a new aoe. i was just saying that i hate having to wait 2 turns to use any aoe in the first place.

have to wait 2 turns for even the wallaru ones.

[midnight prism]

There is a Mastery for every school though. There isn't one for all at the same time as that's way too broken. If you feel you shouldn't have to hinder basically a gear slot just because you want to dual school I'm more than happy to agree. But I don't think being able to do anything and everything on one character is the move here

[midnight prism]

No yeah absolutely. It's gotten to a point where they had to put caps on it because they can't just make the mobs 10x harder when the gear itself isn't as good. Maybe jewels should be specifically only for an off school and not your own. I wonder if that could help Masterys play a better role that way instead

[rancid zodiac]

like i said i went above and beyond and achieved something KI didnt intend so i fully agree with you. the thing is i want to give up my primary mastery for only 1 mastery of my choice and do that whenever i want.

like how weaving is. you can only weave into 1 school at a time, so make mastery the same way

and thats where we circle back to the entire point of this thread! weaving granting mastery for the school you pick

[silk laurel]

But you’re still only using one aspect of your weave then

When the game is and should encourage both halves of usage

I weaved into life not because I want to pretend to be a life wizard, but because it complements my fire in both mechanical and lore sense

[rancid zodiac]

from a pve standpoint, that doesnt seem very optimal. they made arc 2 spells trainable for a reason in my opinion, and its to use them to the fullest potential. whenever i do nightmare, i never use both my schools because thats just throwing.

thats why i worked so hard to get all of them to t4-max spellement rank.

another example for any other mob fight aswell, i have all the wallaru aoes and the 7 pip aoes on ym wizard so ill just use the one thats strong against the enemy's school

[midnight prism]

Okay but why aren't you using another mastery then? You'd actually get the best of both worlds. I don't believe you're going to have sufficient enough stats to carry more than 3 schools let alone have the necessary talent points to train that many schools.

[rancid zodiac]

thats not how i play in pve. i have all of the rank 7-10 spells trained and at t4 or max. i also have all the lore spells from each school and the novus/wallaru spells each at base spellement rank or higher (rat spin my beloved <3) and of course the vital astral spells we all use.

with 3 tp leftover even

[silk laurel]

That’s just mono schooling with extra steps

[rancid zodiac]

thats why i want mastery so badly,

archmastery works but having real mastery would just be better entirely

[silk laurel]

A game is not very fun imo if you focus on pure meta and optimal strategies. Being creative and learning new strategies is what brings fun to these types of games.

If anything, it’s getting even more viable to dual school with this weaving, and will become even better in the future with more ranks added.

[midnight prism]

So you're willing to go up and above all ends but not put on a mastery for the sakes that you want weaving to swap the schools in which you get a power pip? We should in general has 2 schools at this point that we can share power pips with. We're getting too powerful to not do this. Soon we'll be using one blade to KO malistaire solo

[silk laurel]

Man it seems both sides of this discussion devolve into mono-schooling in the end for their wants.

The advanced combat crew only care for utility aspect of the weave, and do not want mastery for it.

The casual crew only care for the potential convenience in just switching to a different school’s damage type effectively with mastery.

Where’s my true dual schooler fans at!?

[rancid zodiac]

i never said anything about meta though if you want meta then KI even said it themselves that mono schooling will always be the real meta dominant for pve. what im doing isnt meta at all

it works far better than using my actual school in different situations

[rancid zodiac]

that was my issue earlier in this thread. literally those horrible azteca bosses can use 2 schools at once and have masteries, but we cant.

[midnight prism]

There won't be until there can be the best of both worlds which I'd love to remedy but unfortunately players are allowed to have different opinions and that could very well be one sided

[midnight prism]

You can though, put on a mastery amulet. What is your reasoning right now for not putting on a mastery amulet?

[rancid zodiac]

what i mentioned before: stat slaughtering.

i shouldnt be forced to give up HP, damage, resist, and pierce for mastery.

ive said this many times in this thread

[silk laurel]

I just don’t want to be a wet noodle for having mastery. Being stuck with a level 110 amulet with level 110 health stats as a max is super not cool.

[rancid zodiac]

^

[midnight prism]

You definitely don't give up more than 2 of those at a time though. The only things you cannot gain in return are universal resist and pierce. There is damage masterys with square sockets that can give health. They are argubly worse but we've kinda focused on making newer and better masterys before you chimed in. Which sounds like could help you in the process instead of the other idea you're talking about.

[rancid zodiac]

so the alternative cost with weaving would be to give up your primary schoo mastery

[silk laurel]

Yeah no I don’t want to larp as a life wizard. I’m a Wild weaver, I need to be able to use both fire and life spells together efficiently. Since ya know, they set each other up with conditionals. Very fun gameplay btw

[rancid zodiac]

i see what youre saying now

you want to use both school masteries, i only want 1 school mastery

so yeah we need to come up with a middle ground for tha

[silent sequoia]

Wizard101s pack gear upgrades every 10 lvl so why don’t they have 7 small dungeons that drop mastery amulets based on the average lvl of everyone in the dungeon . That way at max lvl you can get an amulet with your lvl stats on it . And if you want to change you just farm the other dungeon . So eventually you can have all 7 or just what you need.

[midnight prism]

Is a better mastery not a middle ground? Or do you deliberately want to use power pips on one school only?

[midnight prism]

How we get a new mastery probably isn't an issue. It's what's on them that is. Currently we have no triangle or circle socket masterys or ones that even have added stats besides a max of 5 damage and 5 accuracy on one but they don't give resist or health. We've been trying to come up with ideas and I personally think it'd be less of a hassle to add a Diamond Jewel that adds mastery to existing amulets

[rancid zodiac]

for me, i want power pips to be used for the school of my choice, while losing mastery for my primary. this goes against @silk laurel 's standpoint

[silk laurel]

By the way off topic but this thread has surpassed 400 responses, congrats @midnight prism

[rancid zodiac]

thats how you know mastery is such a controversal topic

[midnight prism]

I'm sorry but you should really root for more than one school to have access to power pips. It sounds like it'd benefit you if you got to keep the stats you want

[midnight prism]

Huh what does this mean?? Is this good?? LOL I just post things I genuinely would like to see implemented

[rancid zodiac]

i mean im all for it as long as i dont go from lv 170 stats to lv 90 stats

if i can keep all my stats and have 2 mastries, sign me up

[silk laurel]

I just find it neat

[silent sequoia]

That’s what I mean a mastery amulet with your lvl stats on it. So whatever stats those are with the added mastery .

[midnight prism]

Personally just adding a new Diamond Jewel and adding that to the corresponding socket to the amulets seems like less of a hassle. They'd have to make like a gazzilion new amulets lol.

[rancid zodiac]

and thats where game devs get swamped

[silent sequoia]

They do it with gear they can do it with the amulets . And if they don’t want to make 6 amulets for each school they can just put the school your mastering stats on it instead. That way there’s only 7 amulets to make every 10 lvls instead of 42 every 10

[midnight prism]

I'm sorry but I don't think I understood what you were exactly trying to say. I do understand if they made more amulet masteries there would need to be 42 every few levels. I also don't think you get stats on amulets themselves until quite late into the game so you're better off just farming omen at that point

[silent sequoia]

Well they can start having stats on them at lvl 50 when spell weaving starts and go from there. Never too late to try something new.

[vocal perch]

or you just don't introduce a mechanic thats quite hard to balance

[silk laurel]

There’s always a solution to a problem, no need to give up on an idea if it isn’t obvious. That’s why we’re having this discussion anyhow, though I’d think KI has some plans in mind since clearly they want you to use both halves instead of just one, at least based on the dual school damage utility spells.

[vocal perch]

They don't want you to use both halves they want you to utilize the hanging effects other schools control to your advantage

[silk laurel]

The damage boosting blades and auras says otherwise, and also the weave pierce jewels.

What you’re saying fits more of a monoschool system pre-weaving, where you’re simply using the utility of another school, instead of truly making them your own.

It would be very lame to have this awesome true dual school system, only to be diluted to just another way to benefit your primary school only. But hey those are my thoughts, and I respect yours as well

[vocal perch]

well its to make other school spells not just glorifed utility spells, I understand your opinion, I respect it. Masteries are just very detrimental to game balance and the vision for the game

[silk laurel]

It’s definitely a unique and difficult system to balance with how the game was originally designed, for sure agree with you on that.

[midnight prism]

The thing I'm not getting to what you're saying is because damage pins, jewels, ability to learn other school cards, and masterys themselves are in the game.

Like what boggles me is we can't even use gambit cards alone in PvE. The only way we get to dabble in dealing with roshambo effects in PvE is if you spend a lot of time or money into spellements

[west turtle]

The gambit cards aren’t balanced for pve

And you can’t “just get stats” for two schools at once while being fully proficient in both, and if you can, you are forcing yourself to the cards on the gear required to make the stats work.