Confused by one of balance's "replacement" spells {Spinning Scythe}

[lilac plinth]

Spinning Scythe, Balance's new 5-pip hit.
While I'm not apposed to this spell, I don't see it having a role anywhere in balance's spell pool.

We have:
Brave Sir Badger - 5 pips (1 school pip)

• 80 Less Damage than Spinning Scythe at tier 1, but you get a 25% outgoing damage aura
  Ninja Piglets - 4 pips (1 school pip)
• on average deals only 5 damage less at base, but costs a whole pip less
  Judgement - X pips
• given 5 pips, deals 30 more damage, and is more flexible being an X-pip spell
  Samoorai - 5 pips (1 school pip)
• B path does more damage and gives the player a ward as well
  Rainbow Serpent A - 5 pips (1 school pip)
• It's an off-school hit that is an AOE
  Rainbow Serpent B - 5 pips (2 school pips)
• Selected Target spell that does more damage, and has conditional buffs
  Savage Paw - 5 pips (1 school pip)
• does more damage and gives the player a blade as well
  Scales of Destiny - 5 pips (2 school pips)
• An off-school multi hit spell that does more damage than scythe, and path B does more damage and has echoes
  Gearhead Destroyer A - 4 pips
• At max tier, this does only 55 less damage in exchange for costing 4 pips
  Spectral Blast B - 5 pips
• does only 70 less damage hitting off-school with an echo that can give the player chromatic pierce charms

If you see a use case for Spinning Scythe, please let me know, I'd be happy to be proven wrong.

It needs a tweak of some sorts. I don't know what it should get, as Balance is getting new/updated identity this coming update.

If you wanted to you could have it "spin" a trap into a ward, or a weakness into a blade or both

[abstract badge]

maybe... Dilute shields?

[willow solstice]

yeah this looks like a spell you'd get by using a polymorph, not an actual trained spell lol

[hard marsh]

any single target flat dmg hit balance get's after judgement is kinda useless, so you're right

[pine bay]

spells useless, it needs to have some sort of effect that helps prevent nukes from higher pip spells. Maybe a conditional weakness / shield

[abstract badge]

maybe Spinning Scythe could be... an Echo anything spell?

nah, that'd render all other echoes useless

[lament plover]

itll have a path b as well that we havent seen yet

[abstract badge]

WHAT

[lilac plinth]

I kinda doubt that since mana burn didn't have a B path, nor did any of the other Avalon utility spells

[shadow sparrow]

How are they gonna do path b when Avalon alr has spellements

[abstract badge]

.... ok, Scythe is a damage spell, so maybe that makes it an exception????

[lament plover]

Am I getting it confused

totally possible lol

[lilac plinth]

probably lol

[lament plover]

Eh they did say not every spell is for every person

(I was getting it confused totally missed the level cap)

Its prob meant for standard players more then advanced which is fine.

[lilac plinth]

Fair, but like Judgement exists for that

[lament plover]

Apologies for the comment my eyes hate me

Whate the math for judgement at 5 pips

Idk how x pip + enchant works

[lilac plinth]

flat addition, so (5 pips x 100 damage per pip) +300 from an epic

[lament plover]

weird

[willow solstice]

wait why not just make it a hit and bubble? balance is missing that (not counting gaze)

but make it 4 pips not 5

also idk what the animation looks like but the image on the card is so boring like at least make it a creature or a cool effect... but spinning scythe? it's giving natural attack

[abstract badge]

I think it's gonna be a Spriggan appearing then attacking you

and they wanna move away from current bubbles right now

[willow solstice]

in that case yeah that's lame

[willow solstice]

well i dont think all bubble spells are gonna just disappear so..

[abstract badge]

the plan is to rework them. I had this one ban-replace idea, that ties directly into the Sun School.

[willow solstice]

skin cancer? 💀

i dont think this really works tbh especially with it being 2 sun pips, that's essentially 4 pips

[abstract badge]

yes, kinda the point, given you're putting like 3 blades/weaknesses up

[willow solstice]

it's not worth that much tho, also if it's a regular blade it can be countered easily

[abstract badge]

it's not just a blade, it's a whole new hanging effect, like an aura, but instead of rounds, it's based on how many hits you do

[willow solstice]

hmm, but it doesn't say that it only applies to your hits

bubbles are global

[abstract badge]

Late reply, but it is supposed to be for 1 person in the battle. Left only for you, right for opponent.

[lilac plinth]

...please take this to a separate suggestion.
This is one is for Spinning Scythe, not remaking sun spells

[abstract badge]

Sorry

[abstract badge]

now that we're back on topic, I'll repost some of my ideas for something different from Spinning Scythe.

[vague torrent]

Mmmm 950 damage for 5 pips

[lilac plinth]

it's just mini Niles

but I'm also assuming Niles will be changed in the future

also

^Already exists