Opposite Roshambo Spells

[subtle gale]

I was thinking about the wheel, and how one of the Novus Gear sets compliments opposite sides of the wheel coming together, so I made these!

thinking about it, Life Tiger's gambit damage should be 810

[subtle gale]

Opposite Roshambo Spells

[lapis shale]

245 dpp storm spell go brrrrrr

[subtle gale]

It's not like the other gambits for Storm don't hit that hard, right?

[lapis shale]

It actually has higher dpp than turmoil oni lol

Also why is life's manipulation spell just 2 shields they can do that for 0 pips

[subtle gale]

I wanted to make each of these spells like gambits. When it comes to ones involving DoTs or HoTs, the oTs stick around. Though I suppose I overlooked it given EVERY school has a 2 shield spell.

alright, I think I got it. -60% universal shields?

also, by briefly utilizing a calculator to discover Turmoil Oni's gambit deals 235 per pip, Storm Tiger's gambit now hits for 1175

wait... thinking on that shield again. What if it was more unique? You summon a 650 absorb, that is followed by a -50% tower?

[gaunt kiln]

The point of roshambo is to make a pokemon-esque system of counters based off of your school. Reversing the wheel defeats the whole purpose of that

that would be blike giving Blastoise a move that does triple damage to grass types

it defeats the whole purpose

not to mention all of these spells are wildly off the schools dpp

[subtle gale]

maybe, but at the same time, Novus introduced opposite wheel gearsets.

[snow pumice]

erm blastoise learns ice beam 🤓

[tulip trout]

💀

[gaunt kiln]

ok boomer

[lapis shale]

It also learns tera blast and can be made into tera fire

but thats only 2x damage still

[tulip trout]

With the new game scarlet and violet

[gaunt kiln]

they introduced dual school gearsets, not spells.

[tulip trout]

I mean

[gaunt kiln]

the new games is as good as a potato trying to run a 5k, they don't count

[subtle gale]

...yes. The gearsets are partially what inspired this

[lapis shale]

also this wasn't related to the roshambo wheel this was to encourage dual schooling

[tulip trout]

And it does great running at 5k as grease in my system when i turn them into fries

[lapis shale]

???????????????????

[subtle gale]

possibly true, but they didn't give the Novus vendor a gearset for Storm/Ice for example

[lapis shale]

All the elementals get the 3 spirits and all the spirits get the 3 elementals iirc

[tulip trout]

Wallaru made things weird

[gaunt kiln]

they gave it for the opposite family of schools. So fire can fyth, fife, and feath

[subtle gale]

weirdly, that's where these spells go too.

[gaunt kiln]

That defeats the purpose of roshambo

[gaunt kiln]

thats like if Blastoise can just uno reverse a Tropius and oblierate him for funsies

[subtle gale]

Ice beam

[lapis shale]

ice beam deals 4x damage to tropius

[gaunt kiln]

its a different family of moves

its like fything

I sacrifice to be able to suprise and avoid my general counter, I can jinn or wahtever it is fyths do

but theres no water move that just goes to grass types and is "bye felicia"

[subtle gale]

but, I am open to rebalancing a bit, do any of these ones seem off?

[gaunt kiln]

I mean, fire isn't a blade school, ice isn't a hot school, death isn't a dot school, myth isn't a blade school. The roshambo is off

[subtle gale]

OTHER than that

I meant like, damage balancing

[lapis shale]

1000 death drain for 5 pips is way too high

[gaunt kiln]

why does death have like, 200 dpp

or even the base version thats what, 140ish

same with balance

and myth has like way higher dpp than ice

but its not reflected

[subtle gale]

that's because the non-gambited version is a DoT rather than a straight hit, said DoT lasting 4 rounds, and split in two

thinking on the Death Tiger, what about 780 in it's gambit version?

[gaunt kiln]

as a drain thats overvalued heavily

[subtle gale]

given it's a gambit condition. I think this one is more than fair. The drain shouldn't be doing less than or around the same as it's own DoT

Balance Tiger: 800 if gambited

oh wait, PVP calculation, when going by that, the drain becomes 625

Myth Tiger: 520 base, 950 gambit

[shadow berry]

Life gambit damage is a bit too high imo

Cause life is lower dpp and shield gambits have lower value

[subtle gale]

already thought of that, I'm having the life one lowered to 810

[shadow berry]

And ice should be higher than life cause heal/dot gambits are valued much higher

[shadow berry]

W

[subtle gale]

I figured the 1020 damage worked for Ice, but you think it should be higher?

[shadow berry]

Hmm let me do the math for those types of gambits

Yea no ur right thats a good amount

Should be a little over 2x

[gaunt kiln]

Well (assuming I did my math right), a 5 pip death spell should be doing about 465 base damage. that dots wayyy to high. A drain gambit shouldn't boost it 600 damage, epscially as a 5 pip spell when death normally raises by about 500

[subtle gale]

x2 would be 920

[shadow berry]

Yea so 1020 is good

[subtle gale]

DoTs generally hit harder than straight hits

and I already updated the drain damage to be 780 (625 in PVP)

[gaunt kiln]

death also generally isn't a dot school

not to mention that doesn't warrant a 150 damage increase

[tulip trout]

That death spell is stronger than wraith

[subtle gale]

obviously. Base Wraith does it's thing without needing to sacrifice anything... or in this case, requires the presence of something.

[gaunt kiln]

well now you get a 5 pup 1k base damage spell assuming you get two people to dot

while also being incredibly over dpp

[subtle gale]

Death DOES have it's own DoT spells aside from the one I made up.

[shadow berry]

For now

[tulip trout]

I don’t think I ever used that spell

[gaunt kiln]

All schools also have blades and traps despite not being blade and trap schools

the dots are legacy spells that are outside of roshambo

[shadow berry]

It’s a pvp centric spell ngl but it’s probably gonna get banned there soon

[gaunt kiln]

tc already was

[shadow berry]

Main decks gotta go

[tulip trout]

Just ban everything have people wand hit

At this rate

[shadow berry]

Nah man deaths shouldn’t have the best dots

[subtle gale]

if they were planning to ban this and Frostbite, why didn't they when they took care of the TC's?

[shadow berry]

Cause they focused on tcs not main deck cards

Banning main deck has more implications

[gaunt kiln]

also Fire, the dot school, has their dot gambit deal literally only a few hundred damage more than the full dot, even acting as if one dot wasn't there, it still is not a double damage increase

[subtle gale]

I mean, it'd be hard to convince me they're going to ban ICEBLADE in advanced

[shadow berry]

Myth oni does 1500 which is like 200 dpp for 7 pips which is over double myth dpp

[shadow berry]

They aren’t gonna ban the 0 and 1 pip spells

[gaunt kiln]

they aren't banning all of the blades and stuff, but the schools have affinity over different effects. Dots are not a death thing, Death doesn't get dot gambits

that literally breaks the concept of the roshambo wheel

[shadow berry]

Yea it makes death way too good against shields

[subtle gale]

well, here's a somewhat sloppy revision of the spells after rebalancing them

[subtle gale]

I don't know if you intended this, but repeatedly beating my head with the wheel being as strict as it is, it hit deep.