#Birds in space

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shrewd canyon
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There should be some type of bird that can hold its breath and is light enough to temporarily go into space. Kind of like flying fish, but birds jumping into space, orbiting for a bit, and then dropping down back into the atmosphere.

Maybe the oldest birds care for the eggs, and on their last life they launch straight into space, where they travel until they reach another planet (which could be days, years, or millennia later) at which point the eggs hatch.

So when you are traveling in space, you might find an old bird, protecting the next generation even through death, and then you can bring it to your planet and start a new population of these birds.

cyan charm
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your idea sounds really cool :p

lament mist
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That would probably require an extremely dense planet, but it sounds cool

flint ferry
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planetsmith requires extremelly dense planets

flint ferry
shrewd canyon
flint ferry
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like reeallly fast

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km/s kind of fast

shrewd canyon
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Well, planets in Planetsmith will be closer together than in real life (I'd expect)

flint ferry
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or rather hundreds of m/s cause this is on a small scale

flint ferry
flint ferry
shrewd canyon
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But also, orbits. As the birds travel away from the planet, they'll likely intercept another planet's orbit, and get pulled into it. So they have a lot of wiggleroom as far as timing.

flint ferry
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you mean SOI's?

shrewd canyon
flint ferry
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nononono, how theheck do they go that fast?

shrewd canyon
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Well, the birds themselves aren't that heavy, and the thin atmosphere doesn't have much friction...

flint ferry
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ym soi's

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cause these ain't orbits

lament mist
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I mean, to get a higher density gradient, to have flight below a certain altitude, and be able to access space heights, you need high gravity, so a dense planet, or a very heavy gas mixture

shrewd canyon
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And so if the bird loses a little bit of weight all of a sudden... Well, equal and opposite

lament mist
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You wouldn't need km/s either if they're suborbital hops

flint ferry
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sooo... the bird farts it's way into interplanetary travel?

lament mist
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Some planes do this!

flint ferry
shrewd canyon
flint ferry
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actually, imagine a borb

shrewd canyon
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A bit cleaner

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Borb?

flint ferry
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that hops into space

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borb, yes

shrewd canyon
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?

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Which is...

flint ferry
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it's a borb

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no context is needed

shrewd canyon
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...

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?

lament mist
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_X-15

North American X-15

The North American X-15 is a hypersonic rocket-powered aircraft operated by the United States Air Force and the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) as part of the X-plane series of experimental aircraft. The X-15 set speed and altitude records in the 1960s, crossing the edge of outer space and returning with valuable data used i...

flint ferry
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oh

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cool

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anyway

shrewd canyon
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Also, remember that I said years or millennia between planets.

flint ferry
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a borb, that hops it's way into the planet's Van Allen Belts, collects antimatter, and mixes it with internal fluids before launch

shrewd canyon
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No antimatter. These are just regular birds that fly into space.

flint ferry
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kabloit, and that thing is interstellar

lament mist
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Here, you would need to change some parameters to turn space hops from "possible with nasa tech" to "birds can do it at a small scale"

flint ferry
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so i don't think so

shrewd canyon
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Borb?

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Also, remember that in this orbits are rails.

flint ferry
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yes

lament mist
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For the planets, yes

flint ferry
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so planets aren't performing N-body calculations, that's what that means

lament mist
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Those are independent objects with 1-body gravity

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Yea

flint ferry
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it's just htat you con't change their orbits

shrewd canyon
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Well, you could.

flint ferry
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no

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that's the definition of an 'on rails' planet

lament mist
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Not according to ken

shrewd canyon
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Like, bumbing into the bird could cause it to lose orbit

shrewd canyon
lament mist
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Ah, the bird, maybe

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But he didn't say we'd have realistic gravity

flint ferry
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he kinda did tho...

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idunno

lament mist
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It was unclear

flint ferry
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yeah

shrewd canyon
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Well, the gravity might be realistic to the Planetsmith, just like pistons are realistic to Minecraft.

flint ferry
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he said something about going to orbit tho

lament mist
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As long as you have 1/r^2 gravity, it should work assuming the interpolation is good enough

flint ferry
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we're talking about gameplay simpifications and speculative biology

lament mist
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He just said the spacecraft would be unrealistically powerful

flint ferry
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yes

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a gameplay simplification

shrewd canyon
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But I imagine these birds only live a few years, same lifespan as normal birds.

shrewd canyon
flint ferry
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so you don't sit a bagilion years waiting to land on that cool planet you saw

flint ferry
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only interplanetary

shrewd canyon
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Well, possibly.

flint ferry
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well, if you got a multistage bird tower...

lament mist
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The only problem I see is how the birds would raise or lower their periapsis, that doesn't really make sense if they're more than suborbital

flint ferry
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yes

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that's what i'm atlking about

shrewd canyon
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I have yet to observe one do interstellar travel, but if they don't get intercepted by a planet, they'll probably achieve it. Eventually.

flint ferry
shrewd canyon
flint ferry
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no

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i got an idea

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completelly unrelated to PS

lament mist
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I mean if they jump out the atmosphere with enough speed to reach escape velocity, they might not need to make a full orbit at all, technically

shrewd canyon
shrewd canyon
flint ferry
lament mist
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Not intercepting the ground at the lowest point of the orbit

flint ferry
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with tech for birds

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just small borbs, yk

shrewd canyon
flint ferry
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with space tech

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i love that idea, gotta write that down

lament mist
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It feels like a well rounded (and deliciously silly) mod

shrewd canyon
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Nope. Not for these birds.

flint ferry
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birds with bird spaceships

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yes

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i love it

lament mist
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The birds are the kurzgesagt ducks

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That would be copyright infringement probably

flint ferry
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XD

shrewd canyon
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But the space birds I'm talking are like this. A few birds hatch on a planet, and starts the second generation. The second generation then lays eggs for the third generation, and the first generation gathers the eggs and then launch out of orbit.

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Well, they technically all launch out of orbit, but the second generation is kinda irrelevant at that point.

lament mist
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Some migratory bird do stuff like this

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Where some generation spend their whole life migrating

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Some butterflies too

shrewd canyon
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Yee

lament mist
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So that's not unprecedented

flint ferry
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ik, i'm just thinking agressively here

shrewd canyon
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But Ken said no space birds so I immediately stopped and made this post.

lament mist
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The eggs being vacuum-resistant makes a lot of sense, though

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They hatch on impact

flint ferry
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they'd need to be strong

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VERY strong

shrewd canyon
lament mist
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What, your chickens don't lay titanium alloy eggs

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Yeah that's what I mean

shrewd canyon
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But the birds are like gliders, so the elder birds automatically glide once they re-enter atmosphere and the eggs hatch safely.

flint ferry
lament mist
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Emphasis on the hard

flint ferry
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yes

lament mist
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They're just built different

flint ferry
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yes

shrewd canyon
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That's why they travel through space first. They freeze, and reentry thaws them.

flint ferry
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out of hardboilium

flint ferry
lament mist
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Interesting

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Like waterbears

flint ferry
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oook

shrewd canyon
flint ferry
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ok

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yum

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no, wait, not yum, this mean they're french!

lament mist
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Hey!

shrewd canyon
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Hey! Are you calling me French?

lament mist
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I'm right here!

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Not you too

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I don't eat frogs though

shrewd canyon
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You are missing out.

flint ferry
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jk ofc

shrewd canyon
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I appreciate that it is called French Bread.

flint ferry
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yes, it's for user friendlyness, we don't want discord users to be exposed to french, do we?

shrewd canyon
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Assurément.

flint ferry
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oh god

shrewd canyon
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Language. Tsk tsk.

flint ferry
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XD

lament mist
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Grands dieux!

shrewd canyon
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Plural?

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⚡

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"the day I got expelled" from the Percy Jackson musical starts playing in the background

lament mist
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Idk it's usually how that expression goes in like dramatic retro adventure comics or smth

shrewd canyon
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Gotcha. I associate it with Percy Jackson, which is is a very popular book series in America, where the main characters are the children of humans and Greek gods.

It was written for the author's son, who had dyslexia and adhd, I highly recommend the series.

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It is a modern fantasy series.

lament mist
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What would? Simply curious.

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Hmm, felt fine, but it's up to you

shrewd canyon
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Anyway, I got out 3 ideas in half a day: the space birds and two variations of combat systems, so I'm pooped (definitely has nothing to do with the amount of schoolwork I did today). I'm going to go make 3 beds and head to bed.

Good night, assuming it is night over there.

elder heraldBOT
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GG @shrewd canyon, you just advanced to level 12!

shrewd canyon
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Good to know.

astral swallow
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this would justify bird sounds in space to some degree

flint ferry
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very much some...

shrewd canyon
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Though the hearing part suggests that 1) the birds are telepathic and you just are in the broadcast range, or 2) there is a gray fluid in space in which sound can propagate.

flint ferry
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i really don't like both

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like, REALLY

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tho theoretically...

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if you could send ripples in background dark matter clouds, big enough to cause gravitational ripples affecting normal matter, you could bet sound to traves through space...

shrewd canyon
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Yeah. So barring your idea, no sound in space.

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Besides, normal birds can't speak in space, and these are just normal birds that go to space.

flint ferry
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