Metal Gear Solid 3 - Retexture Project

[flat bolt]

Almost stupid

[eternal sedge]

Sorry no socialism or communism

The boss said so

[flat bolt]

I'm doing a revision in some stages to improve

Still weird, but weird in right direction

[eternal sedge]

How is the water texture

[flat bolt]

The wateh I need to redo

Okay, second bridge test

I tryed to do the bridge how I reminded in 3ds trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWDhcu6Jems

I'm 100% sure the alpha channel will not work buuuuuuuuuuuut

Who knows?

HOLY FUCK IT WORKED

I created a new alpha map, let's see what happens

Is interesting... but the bad, or better, THE HORRIBLE thing is the texture repeats too much

The correct, but currently impossible solution would be 1 texture assigned to each "block" of the bridge, with different Alpha maps each

Well I will let you guys vote

[chrome wigeon]

it was a good attempt

[flat bolt]

Without holes vote 🇴

With holes vote 🇭

[flat bolt]

Mind to write that in cirilic? I will try to recreate that poster

Or you want to share with the project @ember viper ?
Anyone that wants to collaborate in the project I will give the propper credits

[gaunt tangle]

What would be a good time over the weekend for you to teach me

[flat bolt]

How about now?

I will call you in PM

[eternal sedge]

I think with holes is too much like a pattern

[copper current]

no way

[flat bolt]

Just the alpha channel, I was thinking it would be blank or something

Or just weird and invisible

The main problem is the texture repeats itself

If was 3 or more textures could be more varied

Because creates different patterns of alpha

But I'm experimenting also with different types of bridges

Just to look more varied

If nothing works I will just add shadow into the current bridge and fuck it

But I will wait for votes if the no holes or holes

[flat bolt]

Hmmm for now this is the best result

Thanks to jimlafleur because his 3ds mod

[marsh badger]

ДА ЗДРАВСТВУЕТ
СОЦИАЛИЗМ

Sorry couldn't respond earlier. Trying to fix my sleeping schedule

[flat bolt]

No problem man

I'm fucking up mine LOL

01:39 here

But everything today is ready, I worked well, I trained well, I ate well

Is friday and I don't want to go out, maybe tomorrow, but not today, just modding and playing

[honest eagle]

Btw If you see haloing / white outlines on the edges of textures with alpha that you export through Photoshop, use gimp to do the actual export: #modding-general message

[flat bolt]

To export okay. To edit always PS

[rare prairie]

I am looking forward to your publication.

[flat bolt]

I'm in a dilemma

What the hell was writed in the binoculars

I know is a M3 binocular

Because the texture name is M3_cover

But what the fuck would be in that cover

Original shot for you guys have an idea

[chrome wigeon]

in all honesty I wouldn’t put any writing on them. I’ve never seen any binoculars in real life that look like those. I was in the US Army too, so I’m also speaking because of the ones I’ve used.

You can either ignore that
Put “Metal Gear Solid 3”
or do a custom text of your liking.

[flat bolt]

LMAO

[chrome wigeon]

hahahahaha yes ! that would be a funny easter egg

[flat bolt]

Nah, in english I will try to stick seriously

I said TRY

Is a good mumbo jumbo

[chrome wigeon]

I thought about that, but think about this.

[flat bolt]

Kinda defeats the purpose of sneaky thingy

[chrome wigeon]

exactly

[flat bolt]

But...

[chrome wigeon]

you just defeated everything i was about to say

[flat bolt]

Snakes run around with his gear with a giant U.S in his pocket

[chrome wigeon]

why don’t you just make a kojima reference then ? as an easter egg

it’s something that will only be seen once, since that thing is only on one cutscene

[flat bolt]

Hmmm good idea

[chrome wigeon]

something like “a hideo kojima game”

or “kojima forever”

[chrome wigeon]

and for the love of God, please, somewhere in your texture pack, please leave an easter egg about yourself. Like putting your Discord profile picture somewhere in the game

that would be funny

I’ve only made switch UI mods. If I knew how to use photoshop, I’d be helping you out

[flat bolt]

I will put an easter egg of mine

I have one in one of my black mesa mods

But I never tell, let people find

[flat bolt]

The texture mirrors itself LOL

Makes sense? No.
Is just a tetradic number

[flat bolt]

Too damaged.

A realistic middle ground will be more interesting

Last test and I will go sleep

BEcause I want to hit the gym early tomorrow

Now is PERFECT

Or almost

Tomorrow I will try to give it a more rounded look

Is not impossible, just hard

I just need to use the same technique that I used for the engraved SAA

[copper current]

i would have tried to help with the text becuase i'm usually good at stuff like this, but those were just straight up lines

[honest eagle]

just so folks know what the cover is actually there for, it's a killflash.

keeps the sun from reflecting off the glass

[flat bolt]

Yeah, but in real life there's no text, in the game it has, but is just lines, so I think the 000's and 888's will work

[eternal sedge]

Could be a stock or serial number

Who knows

[marsh badger]

How about the numbers from mgs5 ACC (E-52-3)? They're already mirrored. Or will it be too on the nose?

[flat bolt]

Huh, good idea, I can mix a bit

[flat bolt]

Not mirrored

@marsh badger
000-888-520
E-52-3

But I will add later, enjoying a bit of DMC5

[eternal sedge]

Oh if only you could edit uvs too

[ember viper]

any know wtf this is supposed to be? its a picture in granins place. im pretty certain they are all from konami games

this one is from silent hills 3

its this shot just bluried and pixelated

[ember viper]

i think its a scene out of zone of the enders

[marsh badger]

Maybe Contra: Shattered Soldier?

[ember viper]

thats a good guess

ill research that

[ember viper]

the rex picture is from twin snakes specifically, the angle in mgs1 on the ps1 is slightly off

i never noticed the mouths are different between the two as well

[chrome wigeon]

some juicy new official screenshots for Delta just dropped. Apparently some lucky people got to play a demo

https://blog.playstation.com/2024/08/26/metal-gear-solid-delta-snake-eater-hands-on-report/

the HP gauge is centered at the bottom of the screen. interesting

[ember viper]

some WIP shots. with delta coming out im trying to keep the art direction the same and just improve clarity. some issues still but i think its looks good

another wip in terms of camo. on my unfinished snake camo the snake skin is too strong so im gonna tone it down.contrast and colours are too strong as well. idk if its a good idea to add to the old stuff or to keep it more faithful.

also trying to recreate the codec profile using 3d models

eva ones need more polish on them

idk whether to continue this or to move on to mgs2 considering delta is coming out prob next year. i think it might have merit to have both delta and a visully upgraded ps2 version (with that you can play snake vs monkey with upgraded visuals as well)

rasvet is definetly the hardest area to work on to get it to look right

the ground texture btw on rasvet 😭 😡

trying to get that to look right was such a pain

as is the skydome

[chrome wigeon]

the skybox looks incredible

[ember viper]

very annoying to work with

definitely the hardest skybox to do in the game that ive encountered so far

[graceful moth]

Regarding the radio portraits, keep in mind Bluepoint somehow used the wrong images for Para-Medic's in the HDC and it persists in MC

It throws her vibe completely off lmao

Delta uses the HDC one as a basis which is...I don't think a choice per se, I think they just didn't notice lol

The PS2 ones fit her personality so much better. I really wonder how it even got changed

[honest eagle]

I wouldn't jump straight to blaming Bluepoint on that one, Konami themselves had a remastering team involved in the 2011 remasters who were responsible for all the UI related graphics iirc

[graceful moth]

Ah, interesting

Makes it even more weird that they did that. Her original portraits are so much better and she didn't look as lifeless before

[ember viper]

im remaking the ps2 version anyway so ill be using her og codec profile

wonder why they changed paramedics codec profile?

[flat bolt]

Awesome, mind to share for me to include in the project? Specially the sky if you manage to solve the ring problems

Or you want to make as separate?

Specially because I'm thinking in make a folder with all done so far for internal release (here in the Discord, not Nexus) because soon I will redo some stuff in my house

And obviusly will be credited

[flat bolt]

Okay...

CURRENT VERSION FOR USERS:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xfP8NHn7SP55fqomM9OhhkiU37q2kGai/view?usp=drive_link
CURRENT VERSION FOR MODDERS (PNG AND .DDS) NOT ORGANIZED, NOT FILTERED, SEVERAL TEXTURES WILL GO OUT IN THE FINAL, BUT I HAVE NOT SO MUCH TIME TO FILTER RIGHT NOW, SO I WILL NOT PUBLISH NOW BECAUSE I NEED TO FILTER

If, IF SOMEONE republish this outside the server right now, I will remove, and send a flying dick instead

[gaunt tangle]

Has the release date been revealed

For Delta

[flat bolt]

Nope, is just the current version because in the next weeks (hopefully we will start next week) I'm going to renovate my house, complete package, new bedroom, new kitchen, new paint and outdoor area (etc)

So I won't be focusing on the mod, and after that I'll also take a few weeks off from the mod itself.

BUUUUUUUUUUUUT

I bet a case of beer that Delta will come out this year, more precisely on December 17th

[gaunt tangle]

Ah ok I was just wondering if it got revealed because I saw some news articles about the release date being teased

[gaunt tangle]

Why do you say December 17th that is such a specific date

[flat bolt]

Man, if I were Konami I would never miss the game's 20th anniversary (release in Japan was 17th december).

It's the PERFECT marketing opportunity.

[gaunt tangle]

It was released on the 17th of December in Japan but 17th of November in the US?

[flat bolt]

Why am I betting on the Japanese date instead of the North American anniversary date of the game's release (if I'm not mistaken, November)?

Well, the world has changed and changed drastically, the Q&A about the game is Japanese, done in a more oriental model.

In addition to this, this generates a few extra days to purchase the game, which is a smart move and generates a feeling of "brand traditionalism"

The bet is right, December 17th.

If I'm wrong I'll change my name to Alpaca Dantas

It was released for the PlayStation 2 on November 17, 2004 in North America; December 16, 2004 in Japan; March 4, 2005 in Europe; and March 17, 2005 in Australia.

Correction 16th December Japan

One thing FOR ME is certain

Delta will be release in december this year

Give me the beer

[ember viper]

im working with the pcsx2 version, becuase i can toggle the textures on and off so ill have to transfer it first

i havent finished the sky yet cause tryng to match the cap with the sides is a pain, i have it maybe 50-ish% done

i have to fix these seams

[copper current]

you sent the link, but you didn't make it so anyone who has access to the link can download the files. are we supposed to request the files through google drive?

[flat bolt]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xfP8NHn7SP55fqomM9OhhkiU37q2kGai/view?usp=sharing

Try now

[copper current]

works 👍

[pulsar carbon]

My Laptop will blow with this...

[fair barn]

I’ll eat my hat if it comes out this year. Want to be surprised tho!

[flat bolt]

Well, my theory makes sense

I hope I'm right

[chrome wigeon]

Rena, ty for the link, but will you publish this on Nexus Mods some day ?

[flat bolt]

Not sure yet, one day for sure, but I will adjust a lot of stuff before final release

I need to redo the boxes, the davy crocket, remove some textures, redo some that not please me, and a LOT of industrial textures needs to be done

That current release is a "alpha version" lets say

So is better be just here

[copper current]

have you done any of the bosses? i fought the fear yesterday and saw that his textures were the originals

[flat bolt]

The Fear have minor change of details, mostly you can read a bit of the stuff in his gear, also, his eyes is changed, I believe in the pack I sended is the Witcher 3 Geralt Eyes

[copper current]

Yes, I noticed the eyes were very high quality

[ember viper]

im still in a dream

[flat bolt]

LMAO

[chrome wigeon]

konami dropped a new vid addressing Delta

https://youtube.com/watch?v=b86pccn_5SE

[flat bolt]

Yeah, I know, looks like they showed a lot more

in TGS we will have an idea what will be the release date

But the "demo" of retexture project is already here so is something

[honest eagle]

@flat bolt curious, what method do you use to generate your mipmaps? Hadn't bothered with them for mc mods till recently and ended up making a script to automate converting from PNG -> dds -> ctxr with Kaiser mipmaps, figured I'd share it if you think it'd help your workflow. :3

[eternal sedge]

One thing about mipmaps

They are a pain to deal with in code

In fact, originally I made all textures have one mip map and import only one

However I see why they are needed..

Ctxr3 needs some work to deal with mipmaps gracefully since it really doesn’t at this current time

[honest eagle]

Yeah I ended up switching over from ctxr3 to jayveers's tool instead because it handles mipmaps correctly
https://github.com/Jayveer/CtxrTool

[eternal sedge]

Yep working on that, simpler said than done

But I have had the fix in my mind for a while, need to actually update the program

🤕🥱

I don’t like command line stuff myself

[honest eagle]

Yeah I hate it too, since I'm always gonna be doing the same exact thing with it every time it's used anyway I ended up just making a batch file that I can just make a shortcut for to process everything in the directory it's opened in cause fuck that noise lol

[flat bolt]

I use CtxrTool by Jayveer to convert the to .ctxr but just for some textures (specific ones), but yeah, I would love that script to automate a ton of them

But currently I'm taking a break from the project, but still gathering new ideas

[ember viper]

🤔

so i was researching texture cds and i found this

it isnt exact (could be an edit, more likely image compression) but what im focusing on is the white artefacts in the original texture

they line up with the white tiling in the texture i found

its pretty close

this is from a marlin studio texture cd and i know silent hill used textures from marlin studio

the tile from mgs3 is from the graniny gorki lobby

from the same texture cd

now the mgs3 texure is an edit of the marlin studio texture

[flat bolt]

Looks pretty usefull, some quick edits in one or another and will be realistic and perfect

[graceful moth]

Which CD specifically? This is a cool as fuck find

[ember viper]

https://archive.org/details/marlin-studios-seamless-textures-3-ultimate-interior-surfaces

ill be documenting what i have found/ find here

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BNrYt9f51qdHv9qSzYqhsjXXQrBIi5zbluFVzoUbkpA/edit?gid=1307981176#gid=1307981176

still very rough and i have to fill some more findings

[chrome wigeon]

omg they did the unthinkable. They actually did what I thought they would never do.
We can FINALLY customize the controller scheme

And they also let you use custom resolutions now, so no need for the mods.

that PC version only for now. I wonder how they’re gonna tackle the resolution on consoles

[marsh badger]

Reminds of the quote from Sseth's last video "This entire series is built on breaking you down, to the point where I'm giving praise each time something gets marginally better."

Bunch of hacks

[chrome wigeon]

I mean, I get your POV, but I personally wanted to edit the controller scheme ever since the originals.

and in all fairness, at least whoever is in charge MGS is actually trying. Because for the past 9 years, Konami hasn’t cared about the series or the fans.

Konami has only cared about Pachinko and Yu-Gi-Oh. which right now, YGO is burning my pockets 🤣 I’ve been collecting cards for years

[marsh badger]

Marginally better is better than nothing. I legit thought of bying a Wiimote to play No More Heroes until they ported an entire series on pc

[chrome wigeon]

oh man sorry to hear thay

[marsh badger]

And hacking my old ps2 slim to play mgs3

And literally last week I thought of paying for a cloud PC to play Lolipop Chainsaw on emulator and now remaster happened

Yay

[copper current]

wait what?!

that's actually crazy

[chrome wigeon]

yeah buddy. Here are the pics

[flat bolt]

Problem is, now we need HD fix for insert custom textures, without it probably nothing will work

I mean, 4k textures

[flat bolt]

Nah, is working

I was afraid would not work on 2.00, but is working fine

[rare prairie]

working fine?

[flat bolt]

Yep, is working fine

So if you guys want to try out the demo-beta-not finished version I posted here, is working on 2.00

[flat bolt]

@honest eagle
Any moderator can pin that?

[rare prairie]

is almost complete?

[flat bolt]

Nah, but is a good ammount for people have fun

[rare prairie]

thank you!

[flat bolt]

Well, with Reshade is working pretty neat

Without it looks sharpen as fuck

Not sure if is reshade being drunk as fuck or if I have to mip map everything in the project

Tomorrow after Gym I will take a look[

I'm renovating my house so it's a bit tiring to focus on that.

But I can't deny, is looking great

And I think KBM is more responsive in that update

But I have no clue why without reshade textures gets super sharpen

Probably I need to redo all in .dds

Not sure who had the script to convert all in .dds all in once

[marsh badger]

It's like the whole forest is made of sandpaper. Thank you, Konami

[flat bolt]

With reshade off

With reshade on is pretty good

With Reshade

[marsh badger]

Cool

[flat bolt]

Hmmmm

I'm trying to delete MGSHD Fix, maybe they togheter cause the excessive sharpening because 2.00

Nah

Is Konami being Konami

But with Reshade is a pretty good result

Weird thing is that texture is already mip mapped

[flat bolt]

Solved

This is the ideal settings for solve this issue

[marsh badger]

Hooray

[flat bolt]

Some parts are still weird, but this is my fault of previous versions because these trunks are not mip mapped yet

[honest eagle]

I have it, been tweaking it a lot and was holding off on sending it out till it is perfect. Can talk you through how to set it up whenever you want 🙂

It'll also automatically convert PSD in addition to PNG as well, so there's no need to export stuff with gimp anymore too

[flat bolt]

Amazing, tomorrow or in the weekend I will talk to you to know how to set it up, would be a great improvement for the project

[sharp galleon]

I got FoxHound rank but I'll play again with your texture pack mod, I love it^^

[chrome wigeon]

Hey guys I want your opinions on something I just thought of. MGS Delta is more of a remaster, than it is a remake, since the game is simply being ported to UE5 and some models are being upgraded. That's why I think it's more of a remaster than a remake, or at least, it's in between.

So my questions is : even tho what I'm about to say wont work 100% correctly without modding, wouldnt we be able to extract the textures of Delta and use them as a mod on the master collection ?

[gaunt tangle]

No that would not be possible because the models are going to be completely different and have different UV maps

[chrome wigeon]

thats why i mentioned that some things would have to be modded, the textures i mean. But even still, not all the models are going to be remodeled. Ground textures or building textures might work without having to tweak them.

[gaunt tangle]

Maybe ground textures but building textures still no unless it's a completely flat wall

[copper current]

uvmaps my beloved (i hate them so much)

[gaunt tangle]

Same

[chrome wigeon]

like for example. The 3DS textures of Ocarina of time cant be ported to OOT PC port unless you re-arrange them into the same layout as OOT textures. and that was done. So that why i think it could work

yeah I was thinking more about ground, vegetation, and builings

[gaunt tangle]

Yeah but it's still a lot of work especially since these textures are going to be way more higher detailed than a 3DS game

[chrome wigeon]

shit i might take it upon myself to port them when the game comes out

i have time

[gaunt tangle]

You're a fool

[chrome wigeon]

im ok with that

[gaunt tangle]

Lol

[chrome wigeon]

some years down the line, i'll come back to you after im done with this

[gaunt tangle]

I mean if it takes you years I would still consider you a fool

[chrome wigeon]

thats ok. that's your opinion. that won't change anything

[gaunt tangle]

Lol

[eternal sedge]

If you can line up the new textures with the old ones they should be fine

But yeah venom snake is right about uvs

Wait til model editing is possible in mgs3 lol

[gaunt tangle]

Yeah like something like face textures I'm pretty sure will be almost impossible

Pretty much anything that is round will be super hard

Because round model UV maps are the most complicated

[eternal sedge]

Depends, if they are laid out similarly to the originals with some warping and editing could be possible but it’s really dependent on how different they are

[gaunt tangle]

Yeah but I doubt it will be

[eternal sedge]

Same

[gaunt tangle]

But right now we're just speculating

[honest eagle]

not all the models are going to be remodeled. Ground textures or building textures might work without having to tweak them.
Sorry, do you have a source for this claim at all?

[honest eagle]

What's your monitor's resolution? If it's 1920x1080, then you shouldn't be using internal upscaling option & only use the internal resolution setting. Internal Resolution = render scale, internal upscaling = FSR supersampling. In other words you were supersampling the game up to 3840x2160 (4k), so that sharpness is to be expected.

[gaunt tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/armstrong-made-it-up-gif-25653819

[flat bolt]

Yeah, I noticed that in practice xDDD

@tranquil robin Jove, when you can, you could send some of the textures of your PS2 mod? I think I can adapt some into Master Collection version without much trouble

[flat bolt]

Experimenting with the bridge

I guess I will get back into the project now

[flat bolt]

Changed the cliff

It blends well I guess

But I will tweak some parts

[marsh badger]

Looks decent but feels kinda off?.. Can't quite put my finger on it

Maybe it's cause of colors idk

[flat bolt]

I will put more moss, trying to replicate Delta here

The soil is also not very good, and I will tweak later, I have an idea for that part, will be pretty different from vanilla but will worth it visually

[marsh badger]

Cool

[flat bolt]

If don't looks cool in the end I get back to the previous version

The released one

[flat bolt]

Looks a bit better

Without reshade

[marsh badger]

So back we are

• we are so back

[marsh badger]

Went for full on Yoda for a second there

[flat bolt]

Now I need to tweek that floor

I will do a "review" of some finished textures before advance to other maps

I wish we had normal map support in master collection

Would be a game changer

[marsh badger]

By a "review" you mean just dropping textures here and hearing our personal opinion on them before moving on?

[flat bolt]

Yes and also redoing some that makes me not satisfied

Also I need to finish those boxes from warehouses, the current ones are totally wrong

And weapons, spelling mistakes and etc

But I will do in parts

[violet shell]

I doubt it. I don't see anything but textured like signs and papers being easily transferrable, and that's after the files being figured out and extracted

Also I imagine not only the uv maps will be completely different, but most of them won't find MGS3MC's art style, looking like a ugly agalmation like the GTA V to SA textures, for example. Specially given...no confirmation but won't they use textures made for PBR?
Anyway, main takeaway is just...doing from scratch might be much better in the long-run than TRYING to get placeholders.

[flat bolt]

New floor, let's see if works well

[flat bolt]

Just a POC I will put mip maps later

[honest eagle]

#1170917624922771486 message

[tranquil robin]

ye alot of the uv maps in the master collection are just so frustrating to work with that most of the time its better to do things by hand then putting a placeholder. i doubt even the ground textures would work. the only things you could use are walls but then it would be so jarring because it wont fit the art style that there would be no point

[tranquil robin]

anything in particular?

[flat bolt]

Anything you find interesting to share

But the tree textures in rasvet caught my attention, the leaves to be more precise

[tranquil robin]

ill upload the replacement folder as whole

anyone who wants to see what ive done so far can use the ps2 emulator

ALOT of the stuff is a WIP (alot of stuff i deleted). so i think at one point i had like maybe 550 textures done but i really wasnt happy with some so i think i have 384 done after constantly reviewing it over and over

most of whats done is in rasvet with some stuff done in graniny gorki as well

i did have a lot of the ground textures done but i wasnt happy with them so i got rid of most i think, could be one or two left that i want to replace still

issue is alot of the stuff has to be done by hand which is really time consuming (along with doing something, then a wekk later you look at it again and really dont like it so you start over)

i would recommend using pcsx2 for texture replacement cause its just easier to toggle and make changes that way (this game is a bitch for subtlety so alot of the time you think is fine but looks off and have to make really minor adjustments to make it fit) , you can do it in the master collection but its more comfortable on the emulator. so maybe rather than moving my stuff to master collection, move stuff over to the replacement folder cause itll be easier in the long run.

some textures are placeholders (so i believe the sky in graniny gorki before the fear boss fight is the same as in rasvet because the uv maps are the same so i need to vary the clouds in one of them as well as change the colour in graniny gorki)

i also have psds of certain textures

to make it easier i think i have a bunch of save states on the pcsx2 if someone wants to work on textures but doesnt want to trudge through the game (so like before a boss and after a boss, specific areas/ conditions so like grozny grad day all enemies inside eliminated)

[tranquil robin]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1WrxukTImoplwzgq99YL32tygY4FHlWDV/view?usp=sharing

so this will work with the us version of mgs3

pretty sure the european version has different hash names for the textures

it will work though for ape escape on disc 2 as long as its the us version because those textures do share the same hash name, so you can use it on that

if people do want to have a look and want save states so you can enter an area easier i can upload that. ill have to upload it with the emulator also because save states are tied to the version of the emulator that the save state was created with

would also recommend any who wants to make textures, and wants to use pcsx2 to compare with the og to also get the free cam for mgs3 on pcsx2 so you can fly around the map

you can also get some pretty nice screenshots

with the freecam it is recommended to use two controllers cause otherwise while your controlling the camera snake will continue to move around

but a workaround is to equip a sniper or the microphone which keeps snake stationary while you can peruse with the free cam with one controller

just i slight preview of prob may favourite thing ive done. the fear face is ai upscaled just cause time saving i did do some touch ups by hand. the hair is 90% hand painted and i like how it came out (getting hair right is quite a pain). i wanted a mix between the ps2 version but also used the 3ds render as reference

[flat bolt]

Oh man, I feel that, I have the same problem, I lost the count of how many revisions I did for a single area

WHOA man, I'm impressed with the quality of your stuff, some textures are light years ahead of mine

[flat bolt]

I mixed a bit of your face with mine and jim's face and the result looks pretty dope

Plus, your gear looks spetacular

[marsh badger]

Bruh it's soooo weird to see such vibrant colors in mgs3

Not to mention the details

[flat bolt]

The boxes looks awesome

[flat bolt]

Why? Is the reshade

Reshade + Better textures

But weird in a good way right?

[marsh badger]

I think so

It's like seeing good ENB in Skyrim for the first time

[graceful moth]

Wow, the hair especially looks great

You've struck a really good balance between "more realistic" and faithfulness with his face overall

[marsh badger]

Sex 2 just dropped

[flat bolt]

Sex 2 Electric Bogaloo

[flat bolt]

Need to adjust the beard yet, but... is more menacing now

@tranquil robin , your Fear face texture looks awesome in the project

Also the codec screens are PEAK

[tranquil robin]

i just discovered that gta san andreas shares some textures with mgs3

just need to find out what source they share now

one on the left is from mgs3 and one on the right is from san andreas

found it

so that confirms that mgs3 uses at least 2 discs from marlin studios (which is encouraging because 1. i could only confirm that 1 disc was used (the interior design disc) ( the door is from another disc by marlin studios (downtown signs) ) 2. this potentially means that more discs were used if they took textures from 2 discs as opposed to just 1

the issue i ran into is although i was finding alot of textures

the artists at konami edited them themselves so some textures are hard to verify

[marsh badger]

So what's the plan? Going through every single "stock" texture libraries pre-2003 and eyeballing for any potential match?

[tranquil robin]

nah, way too much work

i stumbled on this door accidentally, so if i can verify textures with marlin studios

ill replace the downscaled textures with the original marlin studio source image

but im mainly focusing on being as close to the og as possible which means doing its mostly by hand

just a cool find i think

just to clarify i did look at alot of texture libraries from pre 2003

and marlin studios is the only one i can say has been used

[sharp galleon]

it's amazing!!

textures of doors are a really change as Resident Evil 4 UHD with HD Project, I like it^^ the last time, I tried modify some textures of the ground or doors but I couldn't do that resolution

[tranquil robin]

ye im hoping to find more door source images

boxes and doors are a pain to do by hand

hate doing them

[flat bolt]

AWESOME, in fact now you're talking about I remember that some textures are pretty similar from the times I modded GTA SA

Boxes are usually a nightmare to redo. I usually try something similar to the context of the scene

[tranquil robin]

ye alot of games from the era used marlin studios for textures. mgs3, sh2, sh3, sh4, gta 3, gta sa. gta lc

[flat bolt]

GTA VC too

I see several buildings in some of the Marlin Studios cd's that are clearly in VC

A bit off topic here:
Good old times, would be great if GTA VC had a propper remake

[tranquil robin]

i would prob rather a vc remake than sa tbh

ive always preferred vc

[violet shell]

Maybe asking in mixmods discord is a good idea? They might know where to find some of those textures

[tranquil robin]

ye i should do that

i know theres a couple discord servers who try to document texture sources

i also have a sneaking suspision that the skies in mgs3 are from a disc by marlin studios that you cant find anymore

i think its called panaromic skies

[graceful moth]

If Marlin Studios has a disc for foliage and shit that'd probably have like 50% of MGS3's textures

If we assume they got most of them from one place at least

https://archive.org/details/marlin-studios-seamless-textures-2-rustic-exterior-surfaces

I don't have time to cross reference right now but a lot of these look like they totally could've been used in MGS3

[rare prairie]

hello, when I added the test mod it closed, why?

[flat bolt]

You added the MGSHDFix?
https://github.com/Lyall/MGSHDFix/releases

If you added open the MGSHDFix.ini located in G:\SteamLibrary\steamapps\common\MGS3

And in the line [Texture Buffer] put the SizeMB to 2048 like this (you can put 4096, but 2048 is enought and for me more stable):

[Texture Buffer]
; MG1/2 | MGS3: Extends size of the temporary texture buffer used by the game, allowing textures larger than 128MB to be loaded
; Setting to the game default of 128 or lower will disable extending
SizeMB = 2048

[rare prairie]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3325966000

[flat bolt]

Sorry buddy, but the colombiam mod is not related to the project, but is a pretty good mod indeed, the tutorial yes, the tutorial is pretty usefull

[flat bolt]

Also, I agree the enthusiasm, but as @eternal sedge said some time ago:
"This project is for making the game look more realistic with more realistic textures. Not for personal mods"

If you want to contribute with something related to the project, a more realistic and lore friendly texture for the project, I will be very happy to add, be sure of it

In the case of your latest post the tutorial that is pretty usefull for latin america speakers (I'm brazilian, so spanish is pretty similar to portuguese)

But the mod buddy, sorry... but is pretty good indeed, you should post this in modding-general as well

[flat bolt]

NEW FACE

Face is courtesy of JimLafleur

But is still pretty wip

Camos by me

Jim is doing the face, and pretty awesome, but we're working to make it even better

Also, bandana is courtesy of JimLafleur too

The camos, well, me 🙂

But this is just a wip, probably we gonna make this even better

[flat bolt]

Base texture: Jim Lafleur
Light adjustments in the texture: Me

[marsh badger]

Wow. Volgin actually looks like he's Russian and not like Ivan Drago knockoff №57387

And those scars hot damn

[gaunt tangle]

I almost want to say it looks better than Delta

[flat bolt]

Thanks guys, was a joint effort of me and Jim

[eternal sedge]

no offense, more constructive criticism but the face looks strange here, particularly the eye area

i think i prefer the face you originally had

[eternal sedge]

maybe its just me idk

[marsh badger]

Nah, it's not just you

It looks good but still needs time in the oven to match game's style

[copper current]

i agree

[honest eagle]

You probably already noticed, but you might need to tweak the hair just a little, it's drawing on the ears

[eternal sedge]

Hmm I wonder if it would be possible to make the scars look even deeper in the skin, I know mgs3 doesn’t use maps though

[flat bolt]

Yep, I will tweak that as well

About being deeper... well, I can try

I can use normal maps in the diffuse

[flat bolt]

Probably is just the eye, testing with my old eye looks a bit different, let's see

Ignore the sharpening, is without mipmaping yet

[rare prairie]

I will make the mod look realistic.

[flat bolt]

Still not fits with the idea of the project, makes no sense in MGS3 unfortunatelly

[flat bolt]

MEGA WIP.
I need to refine A LOT yet

But truth be told,what a pain in the ass gun to retexture

[eternal sedge]

damn the scope looks way better though

[flat bolt]

It still needs tweaks

[flat bolt]

Need more tweaks but I'm getting there, now I'm tired for today

[flat bolt]

I need to say, @tranquil robin textures in some places are a lot better than mine, these walls are awesome

[flat bolt]

The bathroom looks crappy enought for you avoid to take a dump?

[marsh badger]

Jove is slowly becoming the son of a mom's friend on this forum

[flat bolt]

What? I did not get it

[marsh badger]

Shit. I think this is my first cultural barrier. In Russia every mom has a friend whose son is leagues better than you in every way and every mom's duty is to downplay you at every single possible opportunity to make you feel like biggest disappointment.

[flat bolt]

LMAO, that always happen in Brazil, but usually is the cousin

[graceful moth]

Are you saying you'd let him fuck your mom?

Oh I somehow missed the entire second half of the message lmao

[marsh badger]

Lol

[flat bolt]

Like: Hey, your cousin is already rich, owns microsoft, have a jet, and plays football with CR7

[flat bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/vorzek-vorzneck-oglg-og-lol-gang-gif-24901093

[marsh badger]

Glad to know that it's international

[graceful moth]

My Jewish friends make a similar joke about their moms asking why they're not doctors or lawyers like their cousins

[flat bolt]

Being more precise here in Brazil is:
"Your cousin is well off, passed the city hall exam, got married and has two beautiful children, goes to church every Sunday and is married.

And you? Are you going to work on the computer all the time and just hang out with these sluts?"

[marsh badger]

Bro I got flashbacks

[flat bolt]

In my case, the great irony is that I also passed the city hall exam xD

I can even work from home with this, do social media for the city hall while I'm at home in my underwear

[marsh badger]

Smoking a cig, drinking 20th can of monster while writing another breaking ahh news about nothing

[flat bolt]

A lot of the criticism I receive from my family (with the exception of my mother, my mother is calm) is that I date alternative girls, with tattoos or with a more independent attitude.

I'm Catholic, however I don't go to Mass every Sunday, I go once in a while, and I've always been very inquisitive.

Traditionalism for me is rubbish, I think that's why I get some criticism.

But professionally my life is going very well, I'm actually renovating my house, and boy... renovation is an expensive thing

But still... I receive criticism, especially from uncles and aunts

I can bet that even if I won the lottery I would receive criticism

[marsh badger]

What old folks in Brazil classify as an alternative girl?

[flat bolt]

Well, I will show a photo of a girl I'm hanging out and you will get it, wait a sec

[marsh badger]

I think I now understand the general opinion that things are much more brutal in Russia. In my country we categorize girls as alt if they look like the girl above, but only if they also do a ridiculous amount of drugs, have more mental problems than blood cells, and that their boyfriends are alcoholics after 50 with beer bellies the size of small apartments (i.e. their soul mates).

[flat bolt]

The question I live in the interior, so... people kinda not like girls with tatoos, she don't use drugs or anything, they just judge the tatoos

In fact shes just a normal girl, just with tatoos

Because my city is a ass, I even give up the idea of doing a tatoo

[marsh badger]

For a while it became a big meme here. That you can get a gal like that from a government website. Even a whole visual novel was made where you play as an alcoholic boomer.

[marsh badger]

Sorry to hear that

[eternal sedge]

Yall wild

[flat bolt]

Ignore the sharpening, a lot still need mipmaping

[marsh badger]

Are those baked in shadows?

[flat bolt]

These shadows are part of the game itself, not of the texture

But I can improve that later

I believe is these ones

If I do a vector of these ones could work well, but I will save it for later because looks a bit more complex

[eternal sedge]

So many textures 🤕

[flat bolt]

The alpha of it

[flat bolt]

A FUCKLOAD of textures

Honestly I'm doing more editing than playing lately

Believe or not, I not finished the game in MC in my computer yet (I already finished the game in PS2)

[flat bolt]

Trying to redo Granin suit

[gaunt tangle]

LEGS

[eternal sedge]

I thought he was holding a cigar lol

[flat bolt]

A vape LOL

[fair barn]

Can you try and work your magic on the Boss’ sneaking suit

[gaunt tangle]

I second this

Also if possible the texture when snake loses his eye

[flat bolt]

Oh boy.... that one will be hard, to be honest The Boss sneaking suit is a mess to even start with

Man I wish in Delta guards gets suspicious if they see we running

[flat bolt]

The face texture? Pretty easy

[gaunt tangle]

yes

[flat bolt]

When I get in that part I will do

But The Boss sneaking suit, oh boy, that will be hard, probably more capable people can do

I need to tweak some details, fine details in his suit

But the overall aesthetics looks fine

LEGS

[gaunt tangle]

LEGS

[flat bolt]

Crap baskets

[eternal sedge]

The sneaking suit texture is ass, I saw it, the mapping is very strange

For the boss ofc

[flat bolt]

Yeah, will be a nightmare to work on it

I will see if I can manage in the next weeks to buy a new mic

And them I will stream the project here, gameplay and ideas

[tranquil robin]

ill have a look at it

havent yet so dont know how bad the map is

[tranquil robin]

ye im gonna have to do it all by hand so itll take a while

[flat bolt]

If I'm not mistaken The Boss sneaking suit and Snake's sneaking suit follow similar UV's, (and both of them are insane) but probably I'm wrong

[tranquil robin]

nah they are different

snakes sneaking suit should be easier then the boss'

boss one is weird so gonna be difficult getting it to look right

[tranquil robin]

maybe not that difficult after all

[tranquil robin]

one of the things im contemplating is whether to keep the mylar of the suit or make it matte like the 2nd boss image

ive repainted them and the difference is pretty subtle as compared to the og (not that its easy to get a good look at them properly)

[copper current]

personally, i'd prefer it to be shinier

[fair barn]

Yeah Mylar is the way to go

[tranquil robin]

heres what ive done so far

my one is the first it is hard to get a good shot

ive been tinkering around a lil with it

[fair barn]

Looks way better already

[tranquil robin]

just a couple of things i need to touch up i think

nothing major that sticks out to me

[eternal sedge]

Eh better than the original that’s for sure

[tranquil robin]

its one of those things you have to watch in movement i think

[tranquil robin]

ye im just not sure alot can be done with the reflective parts of the suit tbh

[tranquil robin]

this is the texture that dictates the relfections on the boss suit

its interesting that what ever colour you make this texture you can the invert of it in game ont the bosses suit

so if you make this red, you make the reflections blue

make it black

[flat bolt]

Huh... that's interesting

[tranquil robin]

you make the relfections white

[flat bolt]

Looks like it works like a cubemap

But with weird color behaviors

[tranquil robin]

ye it kina is like a cube map

[flat bolt]

I wonder what would be a result with a cubemap like this

Let me try to bake a square texture here

I have zero clue if will work, but since is a pretty bizarre cube map you mind to test quickly for me? I'm not on my usual computer to test

Inverted pattern if you need it

Is pretty different from the original, but, I have a feeling will reflect good

[tranquil robin]

ill need to record a vid just to show off a comparison

cause a photo doesnt really capture the effect well

[flat bolt]

No problem dude[

[tranquil robin]

ye looks pretty good

it actally might be too reflective

ill just record as is

but can always lower opacity to reduce reflections

[flat bolt]

Literally works with opacity layer?

Huh, this is really good, we can make it "matte" but with some level of reflection

If I'm not mistaken MC version uses 50% opacity layer for all textures, most of them changes nothing, but I could be wrong

hmmmm

Try that one, was a small one but I use NeroAI to upscale, in that case I believe the upscaling process could help the behavior

Inverted in case you need

[tranquil robin]

not sure if discord quality illustrates it good enough

but the bottom one is the new version, top is og

ill give the tetxures ive repainted here

cause you kinda do have to see it for in motion to kind of appreiciate what it looks like

no point sending pictures cause i dont think it captures the effect at all

alot of it is gonna be personal preference on how reflective you want it to be

[fair barn]

Looks so much better! Was one of the textures that used to bug the hell out of me with this game

[tranquil robin]

agreed, i did repaint it and i dint really see that big a difference

of course i wouldnt have done cause i didnt touch the reflection tetxure

which does alot of the heavy lifting

i think it does look really good and i cant believe how ugly the og one looks in comparison but again it is personal preference

i can see people not liking it being that shiny

[flat bolt]

Sure, I will give atry when I get to my pc

[tranquil robin]

ill prob repaint the shoulders of the suit

dont really like them too much

i think everything else is fine

[eternal sedge]

Have you replaced ocelots face/hair texture yet

Looks so bad in HD

[tranquil robin]

i did ye

the hair is pretty premitive so i do want to go back and paint it rather than what i did

ocelot was one of the first characters i tried to figure out how to do hair so i would like to have another look at it

it was an ok first attempt

this was back when i really resisted trying not to do much by hand cos of how time consuming it is

but overall i dont like the fringe on the new one

the side and tope are ok but i wanna re do it

[eternal sedge]

How does his hair look like irl you think?

Like what specific haircut is this

[tranquil robin]

its kinda of like a crew cut

only ocelot has his fringe like gelled to stand up

i think a buzz cut would be more accurate

cause the top doesnt taper into the sides on ocelot

so a buzz cut only ocelot has alot of hair left on top

[flat bolt]

Some usefull stuff from MGSV

[flat bolt]

Another one

Probably just a few parts of this is usefull

[rare prairie]

🤯

[tranquil robin]

im working on gettin ocelots hair looking right

fringe is irritating me tho

[honest eagle]

realized a mistake that bluepoint made with kojipro's naming convention, files with mod1120 in the name should NOT have mipmaps (they're mostly enviroment/reflection maps, plus a few other textures that are always displayed at full size.)

[flat bolt]

Without reshade

I need to tweak the vertical seamless of that

[graceful moth]

Maybe also remove or tweak very noticeable patterns

Like this splotch here. It's super noticeable all over the place

[flat bolt]

Yeah, i was thinking in exactly that, because that I need to tweak the vertical seamless

[flat bolt]

I will take a break for some weeks to restart my brain

[pulsar carbon]

hello

[pulsar carbon]

is this dead?

[sharp galleon]

Hello! I hope no...even if it's little by little, this project is amazing and would be great help to this who can do it as it a big modification

[flat bolt]

Well, I posted the link of the latest version here, but honestly, I'm in no mood to continue

I'm focusing more in some real life projects (continuing the renovation of my home and focusing on the gym, I'm started to do bodybuilding) , and to help some friends with their projects as well, but after that I will retire from modding

If you guys wants to continue after what I did, the link for the project is pinned here, but here again if you guys want
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xfP8NHn7SP55fqomM9OhhkiU37q2kGai/view

But I, Renan, I got tired, maybe, MAYBE I will return someday, but now, is not something I want to do

[tranquil robin]

i think as far as im concerned, this is dead. theres way too much work to be done and not enough people to do it. and with delta coming out it kinda removes any incentive

the only hope we could have had is if a good chunk of the original textures could be retrieved from the texture cds they came from. i made some headway with it but alot of the textures (more than 1500) seem to be made in house at konami which means either doing them by hand to match the look of the original or replace it with an entirely new and different texture. one is a TON of work and the other doesnt really satisfy me

[flat bolt]

I agree, is a ton of work, if a team, and not an small, but a huge team, 10 or more people focused on it, could be more interesting, but alone is really tiring do something like this

[sharp galleon]

I hope you are fine😅 understable...you did amazing things, thank u so much for all^^. I know it was a hard work...and there weren't too much people with this...but this project is something what I always wanted from I was a kid.

Thank u so much really, I hope all be good💪

[flat bolt]

Doing some small edits just for fun, in some aspects of the project

No, I'm not retaking seriously

BUUUUUUUUUUT, masybe it go cool

[gaunt tangle]

I thought this was dead

[flat bolt]

In parts, I'm just bored

Today I could not go to the gym, my GF is out of town today, my phones are a mess, and I'm waiting a package

So...

Why not?

Not so much change

Well... kinda

It still looks like a passion fruit in a drawer, with fits with him

[lost copper]

Cool

[flat bolt]

Yeah, I'm using a bit of AI... but as a tool because I do manual edits as well

THE FEAR LMAOOOOOOOOOO

Adjusted for the game

[eternal sedge]

Hmm I wonder how it will do for mgs2

[flat bolt]

Well, you can use https://www.krea.ai/enhancer

It have limited free uses, so I'm choosing wisely, convertion BRL to US is not very friendly to my pocket

But accept different e-mails... I used 3 so far

Ocelot, LOL

[eternal sedge]

He looks like femboy

[flat bolt]

He looks like a lesbian

Now looks like a old lesbian

AKA my aunt

BUUUUUUUUUUUT could be usefull

[eternal sedge]

I think it’s good hair

His original hair is bad

[flat bolt]

Yeah, the hair is pretty good, I'm using exactly that

Since his hair is shaved on the sides, for me makes sense be that way

My Volgin is already edited a lot, courtesy of Jim to help me, but I'm curious to see if the AI will improve more

That is the one I have, lets see what Krea do

Okay... thats... creepy

But again... usefull

With propper adjustments don't look so bad

LEt's see what the AI do with his rubber suit

Not surprised me

This AI is better for faces

Maybe stronger preset

Too much

But again... usefull

[flat bolt]

Small details on Zero

I can improve the vest... but not today

With weapons could go pretty well

Sokolov

Not muuuuuch change

Ocelot hair with Reshade

[eternal sedge]

Not bad

[flat bolt]

I will do a few tweaks, but not now

[flat bolt]

That weirdo looks good

Not sure about his lips, but the rest makes him looks more crazy ass than he's already is

[eternal sedge]

Nice even with no normal maps looks pretty good

[flat bolt]

Raikov LOOOOOOOOOOOL

I changed the params for the second iteration, could be usefull

NOW WE'RE TALKING

[eternal sedge]

here's my try with snake

[gaunt tangle]

That doesn't look like big boss?

[eternal sedge]

because it's not

lol

it's solid snake

[copper current]

yes! that is solid snake!!??

[gaunt tangle]

Then why is it here in this channel?

[eternal sedge]

because renan recommended me the ai and i wanted to show him my results...

[gaunt tangle]

Ohhh

I see

Sorry me being dumb

[eternal sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/mgs-metal-gear-solid-youre-pretty-good-ocelot-mgs4-gif-14577328

[flat bolt]

Ithaca looks a lot better with this

Well almost there

Just need to color balance it

But the shotgun, holy molly

[gaunt tangle]

Fake

That's just Photoshop

You just edited it on

[gaunt tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/ice-age-sid-i-dont-believe-it-i-cant-believe-this-unbelievable-gif-23923399

[gaunt tangle]

You might want to change the way the barrel looks because it looks like wood

When it should look like metal

[gaunt tangle]

Have you done volgin yet

[flat bolt]

Yep, testing weapons first

[gaunt tangle]

Can I see a screenshot of volgin or just the face texture

[gaunt tangle]

Daym

[flat bolt]

Previous one here, but I changed the lips to the texture now

I will test in a few, fixing some details in Ithaca

Now will look more metallic

Ithaca is ALMOST there

[flat bolt]

Some stuff helps a FUCKATON

THis is one I edited some time ago

And this is AI enhanced

[gaunt tangle]

Looks way better than the first image The barrel looks like a rough metal rather than wood like the previous image

[flat bolt]

Looks a bit exxagerated

A tiny more subtle

Cool details

[gaunt tangle]

Once the next version releases I'm going to try it out with RTGI reshade

[flat bolt]

Ai give me tactical advantage whatsoever

The gear looks a ton better

The pain Flak Jacket is now AMAZING

[marsh badger]

The project has been on hiatus for so long I: had buried my mother, journeyed across the whole country and met an enormous extended family I did not knew I had (I legit thought I was like of the three still living), made a journey back home, got over my ma's death AND waited long enough to become the sole heir of her apartment, my granny's apartment and like a million or so rubles of debt.

[flat bolt]

Well... I just did some stuff

The only downside to this AI is I need to create several fake e-mails to bypass paying this

[flat bolt]

LMAOOOOOOOOOOO

Is not totally bad, I can do stuff with it

That could work

[flat bolt]

The End looks surprisingly good

The other variation is a bit better, but I can mix both

[flat bolt]

Of this

To this

Is a HUGE LEAP

I did several textures in this project, no doubt about that, but that tool is helping me refine stuff that make me crazy other way

Is a great tool for final touchups

I need to fix that, a rabbit with dogs nose

[flat bolt]

Volgin lips are "fixed", is better than previous

Without Reshade

[gaunt tangle]

You should redo some of the hair to make it more detailed because the hair kind of just looks like long stripes like it doesn't really have the randomness of real hair because most of the time hair isn't just completely straight back and it's not just like one layer especially when it's a mullet You know what I mean?

[flat bolt]

First I'm redoing faces, hair is a separate texture that have alpha channel and usually gets fucked up in .png, so is better do in .dds, and somethimes transparent textures gets messy in MGS3, specially hair and The Pain textures, so I will avoid that since the last second

[gaunt tangle]

Ah ok

Makes sense

[graceful moth]

Tbh I think the shape of the plane that the hair uses might just end up looking a bit worse at higher resolutions no matter how you do it

Except for characters like Ocelot or The Fear who don't really have it hanging down at all

[gaunt tangle]

how?

that makes no sense

[graceful moth]

Or maybe not "worse" but rather the limitations of the modelling become more apparent

And how jagged it can look at times

[gaunt tangle]

wdym?

[graceful moth]

I mean like the bits hanging down at the front. You can change the texture but the way it's actually manipulated/shaped in-game will always look a bit weird as the texture quality increases

[gaunt tangle]

not really

[graceful moth]

All the other parts will look fine probably. I was mainly just thinking about characters like The Boss and Eva, a lot of other characters will probably look better

[gaunt tangle]

most modern games still do that for hair and its only slightly higher poly

[flat bolt]

Because is not an issue with the texture itself, is a problem with the mesh, hair clips to be more precise

[flat bolt]

They have more hair clips than PS2 era hairs

[graceful moth]

Yeah but they have more power. They can use the same overall technique but a different implementation that's not as easy to spot basic shapes in

It all looks fantastic btw @flat bolt, you actually adjusted the faces perfectly

They look better and more realistic but still exactly in the game's art style

[gaunt tangle]

also i never said to add more transparency

[graceful moth]

I never said you did

[flat bolt]

Modern games have more hair clips, the way they "interact" with other creates the illusion of better hair, even dealing with alpha maps and transparency

As in the example there

[graceful moth]

To be clear I agree with you that the hair could look better, but I'm just saying to keep in mind that how it can end up looking in the end is more limited than faces because most of the face details are just textures, while the hair is just as dependent on how the meshes are shaped as it is on the textures

[gaunt tangle]

i was more saying like editing the texture so it looks like there is like layered hair and like more strands

[flat bolt]

Old PS2 era (that includes MGS3) have less hair clips, so, even if you do the MOST BEAUTIFULL texture of all time, will look weird in hair

[flat bolt]

Not enought hair clips to give that illusion, will look crappy

[gaunt tangle]

how??

just in the texture duplicate and stagger the hair

[flat bolt]

In the end with the movimentation of the character will look incredibly fake, trust me, I did the same mistake for another game, AC2 to be more precise

That is far more modern, but suffer the same lack of hair clips

[gaunt tangle]

can you shoe an example?

show*

[flat bolt]

Okay... let me explain using Snake's hair for example, just let me find the textures

[graceful moth]

It probably doesn't help that the game has a lot of layered meshes too. If it was more flat at the back maybe it'd be less noticeable but I feel it'd be incredibly noticeable because you'd have fake depth layered on top of real depth

[flat bolt]

This is vanilla snake hair, back part to be exact

This is his alpha channel, transparency

Is not a "PERFECT" transparency, full white in white

Is a grayish, that resembles a layer of hair, is the trick Kojimbo team used back them

As you can see in the red, the way the hair should behave

And using a bit of logic you can se the area that will work well will be that one

Now let's use that hair, courtesy of Jim Lafleur in his 3ds version of MGS3 mod (NOTE: In 3ds Snake have more hairclips and support for normal map, is a DIFFERENT HEAD MESH)

And let's paste it into the vanilla hair

Let's pretend this is fully adjusted just for sake of the example

And this will be the alpha

See?

You can notice how crappy will look, because the game can't handle so well, this edges, even if we do a vector based texture

In fact will look even worse, because hairs in that era was a lot problematic

Want a example? of a game that suffers the same and is the same era?

prince of persia the two thrones

Prince hair is crappy even in HD mods

Why? Because the alpha map is weird, they could use the trick japanese people do with their games for eras

Dante for example, have "similar" hair to the prince in format, but not curly, works pretty well

Probably my explanation is shitty, but some people got it

Not saying it is impossible, just hard as fuck, more talented people than me probably could create an illusion like that

In other words... editing hair is horrible I preffer put an entire unpeeled pineapple in my ass, than doing hairs

[graceful moth]

Shoutouts to HDC which removed the alpha for some reason and ruined it lmao

[copper current]

now i wish there wsas another good dmc anything

[graceful moth]

Filtered + get good

[flat bolt]

I wish the hair behavior of these old games be more similar to Witcher 3, the way we do hairs in that game is amazing

[graceful moth]

That looks somewhat similar to RDR2 hair

I haven't played The Witcher 3 but I've heard your hair can grow out in that, yeah?

[flat bolt]

Beard, hair you just cut

Change the style

But beard can grow

And that Witcher 3 of mine is modded, I helped in the development of Henry Cavill mod

[copper current]

i've been thinking of getting the witcher 3, but i don't want to be one of those games where the focus is put more into the open world than the actual gameplay

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https://tenor.com/view/jontron-i-get-it-i-dont-get-it-dont-get-it-i-do-not-get-it-gif-21957605

[flat bolt]

You will experience a lot, the gameplay is fun, but you're a Witcher, you hunt monsters for coin. The genius part of CDPR is every quest is immersive, there is a reason for do

Or you can ignore completely and go after Ciri

You can do, obviously, there is nothing that don't allow you do the main quest

Even if you have low level, is easy do, if you know how to use your moves and your witcher signs

Buuuuuuuuuuut

You can't resist to take a contract to deal with a woman ghost in a village close to Novigrad

Or enter in a tavern and do a round of Gwent

Or even taking a request for an old lady to get an old frying pan in a house in White Orchard and discover a spy writed a letter using the dirty of the frying pan

And let's not forget some villagers phrases

"Help! I'm dying of poverty"

"Maybe yes, maybe no, maybe go fuck yourself"

"Wanna dip yer dingle?"

"Say Witcher, you look like you have seen a lot of the world. Should I beat me wench once every week or more?"

Is fun, that I guarantee you

[copper current]

i see

[flat bolt]

HOLY CRAP

I was testing to see if the AI gets references when we put, and generates that monstrosoty

BUUUUUUUUUUT

Could be usefull

You guys remember that part when Volgin is all fucked up after Shagohod battle

Well... I used that AI mess to do that

[copper current]

that's smart

[flat bolt]

It was. But my phothoshop crashed XDDD

Need to redo again because no recovery

The other one that is just few shots and cuts too

I will try with some terrain, let`s see

If this crap works, probably will generate the natural shadow style of the MGS3 textures

[graceful moth]

That looks fucking nasty, good work

[flat bolt]

One that I did some time ago

Ai improved

The thing is not use vanilla textures, but using my textures and improving on the ai

[flat bolt]

Could be better, this is another one I tried the AI

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Original upscaled Zero

AI with personnal touch ups in photoshop