Modding the MGS1 emulator

[pure radish]

besides F1 in an hour ive got today to get some shit done here

[humble ravine]

Got my money on Red Bull

[floral dock]

Good race so far.

[pure radish]

this sport doesnt get enough hate

on for a repeat of 2004 at this rate

[cerulean coral]

Still alive

I had to format my SD, so I lost all the mgs1 mods I had

[pure radish]

damn wish i could get my 2 hours back

[humble ravine]

Pretty boring race tbh!

[meager ice]

There’s something so nice seeing MGS1 and 2 on a switch home menu

Or on any modern platform honestly

[pure radish]

alright lets get cracking

do i want a coffee or will this one make me anxious

unfair slot machine that only works for others

it'd be nice to have my own squirrel bindings

bind m2fix code to squirrel so that i can call it over the debug interface

[cerulean coral]

I stayed on update 1.2.1 from last year, I need to update

[cerulean coral]

nice, new function from emuTask

[pure radish]

wow 1.2.1 i think thats before i even started looking at MGS

i started at 1.2.2

[pure radish]

oh gawd

[glad frost]

uh oh 😅

[pure radish]

wtf

im not sure if i fixed something or not, because a side effect of what i've done has pushed the image off the screen so i can barely see it

what the hell

alright

its now horizontally in the right place but not vertically

[cerulean coral]

my trash

[pure radish]

I mean you did stuff I still haven't done lol

ur the only other person who did any modding to MGS1 MC

having a DLL makes things easy mode for me, too, you didnt have any of that on switch

[hearty dirge]

It would be interesting if mr. Rodriguez could post his mods/work

[cerulean coral]

Oh, right, features disabled. Honestly, I'm still better at seeing things in memory. I'm afraid of isolating myself by learning more things, I hope I'm not alone 😶‍🌫️ For example, I could study your code from the Windows version, and try to bring it to Nintendo Switch, I have some skill interpreting data from different architectures

[pure radish]

yeah feel free to use my shit

once you get some sort of native code loading into the app, the concepts should be somewhat portable

you might need to look at the windows version of the game and compare it with the switch version (or just ask me what its doing on windows)

i'd be careful of doing too much with specific memory addresses though, because when konami updates the game it will likely break your stuff

getting some code running and something to do signature scanning will help a lot

i wish PC was ARM because x86 is fucking shit

currently in another fight with x86

[pure radish]

PSX addresses are fine, though, coz there's only so many versions of the actual playstation game

i kinda wonder if there's a squirrel VM vulnerability you can exploit with only romfs mods lol

they use a really old version of squirrel

[cerulean coral]

umm are you using x86? rare in a modern application

[pure radish]

yeah there's a few code patches to the game that need to save state, stash registers etc before jumping to a C/C++ function

there are libraries that can handle some of this stuff i think, but i don't know how much to trust them or how complete they are 😛

i'm hooking things at random points in a function (way outside of prologue/epilogue), seems like solving that generically is along the lines of the halting problem to me, but might be wrong

i'll rewrite the whole thing and experiment with stuff like that... once im closer to feature-completeness

at the moment it's "better the devil you know"

i've done a lot of asm hacking in my time (but basically this is my first time with x86)

some of them have the added complication of conditionally returning to the original caller or running the original function found in the game

but a lot of it wasn't necessary to get to the v0.1 release

don't worry though ARM is much more sane 😛

here there's about 20 different calling conventions and if you don't like them, you can make up your own!

yay the hook works

what's my prize

[cerulean coral]

we go in parts

I was reviewing your code, when you have something clear I will ask you for some support

[pure radish]

its a bit of a mess

i'll tidy it up eventually

it just sorta exploded outwards

atm i just need it to be the same familiar nonsense or i'll get myself even more confused

lmao

hmm, i have learned some more things, maybe i know where to look now

[cerulean coral]

how old are you? I'm 30 D:

[cerulean coral]

It doesn't really matter, I like to watch things burn

[pure radish]

28

i think, i lost count tbh

[cerulean coral]

https://tenor.com/view/aaaa-gif-24974026

Incredible I saw you as a veteran or that you were twice my age, great genius 🤓

[pure radish]

nah i just grew up doing this stuff, at least 10 years of relevant experience (with maybe another 4 of questionable experience)

hehe, debug leftover maybe

they must've had a print there or summit

function has no side-effects and those returned values arent used here

[pure radish]

LMFAO

we're in deep...

big progress i think

[pure radish]

psychedelic

very interesting to see it in motion

says quite a lot i think

this will probably end up being quite simple

i can control way more of whats going on now with this hook

time to rest

[hoary pier]

Psychadelic LSD Action

[pure radish]

this is like

the graphics equivalent of printf debugging

i just have this one technique

solve every problem the same way

so whats going on here: gpu_draw calls gpu_get_dimension (its the only thing that calls it directly and uses the result, and it was previously unaffected by what v2.0 does)

if I change it so that gpu_draw is affected in the same way as everything else, it ends up drawing in a tiny box in the upper left corner, but no cutscene bug occurs

this hook is basically the opportune time within gpu_draw to adjust all of the values that are derived from the gpu dimensions

and theres a lot

the one I did here is not the one I was really after

but it was just the easiest to prove changing it works

the rest have a bunch of math so will have to wait until tomorrow to play around with it more

but its interesting the sub is more visible now and rendering at higher res

im gonna have to keep all this crap once done haha

coz its pretty cool to screw with

[glad frost]

Awesome stuff

I do hope it turns out to be a sort of one-stop fix, cause fuck having to do this for every part of the game lol

[pure radish]

it really ought to be working already tbh

its extremely suspicious

[glad frost]

hmmm

I guess there's 3 possibilites

1. It can't be done, period.
2. It's something you haven't discovered yet.
3. It's something you have discovered, but haven't implemented properly.

If I had 10 bucks to bet, I'd put $8 on the second one, and a buck on the remaining two options

[pure radish]

it can definitely be done

by virtue of Turing-completeness 😛

just a Q as to how much work it takes

the fact we have it working for gameplay pretty much flawlessly is the evidence suggesting its probably not much more work

its just needle in haystack

it'll take time perhaps, but will probably be easy in the end

it's all the research & experimentation that takes so long

im not even slightly worried as I've corrupted the display in all sorts of ways that almost have it working, so its probably "right there"

don't read the steam forums though, sheesh the entitlement there

[glad frost]

Oh yeah, gamers on the regular are the definition of it

[plain hemlock]

the main menu has parts going past the 4:3 boundries? so hypothetically if we made the UI scale properly to 16:9 the main menu could be made to look pretty much official, right?

[pure radish]

https://twitter.com/OatmealDome/status/1764715696250843321

OatmealDome (@OatmealDome) on X

[yuzu]

yuzu, in its current form, will cease to exist.

Their settlement with Nintendo prohibits any distribution of yuzu in built and source code form. Development must also stop.

The yuzu website and related services will also be shut down.
https://t.co/INBkXCf38d

Twitter · Mar 4, 2024, 6:13 PM

boring

bye bye

zigged when they shoulda zagged tbh

[humble ravine]

Yuzus lawyer probably recommended a settlement before they run him into the ground for the rest of his life

[soft falcon]

Patreon money backfired huh

[meager ice]

Paying for TotK patches before release too

[pure radish]

idk how much i believe that

[hearty dirge]

Just download the latest versions of citra and yuzu. I don’t believe this is going to stop all development of switch/3ds emulation forever

Will put a roadblock for now though…

[pure radish]

tbf i dont use either of them

[hearty dirge]

I don’t either, I have switch and 3ds

But

For preservation

Since they already deleted GitHub code

[pure radish]

lmao ur right

that didnt take long

good job there arent like

3000 forks

still up

https://github.com/yuzu-mirror/yuzu

F

[hearty dirge]

[cerulean coral]

Ryujinx C# 🔥

.Net, CSharp, IL 🔥

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.infoworld.com/article/3713203/white-house-urges-developers-to-dump-c-and-c.amp.html

[pure radish]

C# wasnt a bad language when I last used it 12 years ago

but i havent been paying attention since

memory safety meme

https://github.com/Speykious/cve-rs

[cerulean coral]

Unsafe code

[pure radish]

everything is just abstraction on machine code to me, so i don't buy into the hype

rust won't save you from cosmic rays flipping bits

[cerulean coral]

Las drogas

[cerulean coral]

What language does the brain use to reprogram neurons? is it a fpga?

[pure radish]

I guess neuroplasticity suggests that it is

[cerulean coral]

Pseudoscience helped Kojima create his stories, also tobacco

[cerulean coral]

I guess it's tobacco, otherwise it would be difficult to complement plot stories and programming, part logic and part inspiration, while you suffer from anxiety, you have to smoke your emotions.

[cerulean coral]

I would say that programming languages that need to depend on the IDE to avoid typing errors are not good enough.

In the case of python it requires spaces for it to work, javascript takes you weeks to configure everything and it remains in 2D type engines for video game development in Flash + Html5, c++ is very hardcore and for refined people

well, while I finish building my little studio apartment, I'll put the mgs1 mod on hold

well, while I finish building my little studio apartment, I'll put the mgs1 mod on hold

but I want to share things that were pending

At the start of the launcher, there is an option that allows you to use an introduction video called "\movie\title_opening.mp4"

[pure radish]

yeah, I did see that

lots of strange leftovers in there

[cerulean coral]

mode_opening.nut

function mode_opening()
{
  local input = ::g_input;
  local smoothing = true;
  local all_title = false;

  local movie_path = ::conv_checked_path( "movie/title_opening.mp4", ::get_package_dev_id() );
  if (null != movie_path) {
    // ::play_opening_movie(movie_path);
  }
  /*
  ::g_menu_bg.visible(false);
  // 生成 | generar
  local opening = OpeningMotion(input, smoothing, all_title);
  if ( opening.init() ) {
    opening.open(); // 開く | abierto
    opening.mainloop();
    opening.close(); // 閉じる | cerca
  }
  ::g_menu_bg.visible(true);
  */
}

[pure radish]

I feel like half of the scripting goes essentially unused

it can be tricky to follow because there's all these red herrings

[cerulean coral]

I hate having to use MArchiveBatchTool again, it's so outdated, but I discovered that you can use all the unzipped content since Castlevania Anniversary Collection came out, you just unzip everything with MArchiveBatchTool and then just insert my dummy file alldata.bin/alldata.psb.m

works for any M2 .co game

[pure radish]

lol really? the engine supports loading files in that way?

[cerulean coral]

Yeah! :v

In fact, I've done this with several types of games that use compressed resource packs, such as .mbundle

[cerulean coral]

It should be paused, press R3 + A while you resume the game, pause again and press L2+R2+A while you resume the game and access those menus. Also includes the mod that bypasses the savestate check and print info SaveManager

I really had fun running the disk change animation

from SRAM, here I only show the essential data that the emulator requests, at least it requires 0x120 and 0x6FC0 so that it does not crash

[pure radish]

https://twitter.com/HikikomoriMedia/status/1764894963194597458

Hikiko (@HikikomoriMedia) on X

The Yuzu devs settled to avoid discovery. They were going to get fucked with multiple infringements for making roms and distributing them between the Yuzu devs, often pre-release of the game. They allegedly had a rom stash on their discord too. Nintendo ninjas were inside the…

Twitter · Mar 5, 2024, 6:05 AM

[hearty dirge]

Nintendo ninjas damn

[cerulean coral]

https://tenor.com/view/netflix-gif-15328200985538131376

[pure radish]

konami coming for us next

jk we make them money instead of losing them money

this is kind of why i was nervous about a current-gen emu

the temptation to resort to jumping the queue

this allegation wouldn't even be possible if it wasn't current-gen

[hearty dirge]

3DS emulator also got shut down tho..

3ds is last gen

[pure radish]

by association to yuzu yeah

they went after yuzu and bagged citra

because of the injunction on the authors

making the same argument about citra from the actual evidence would be much harder

[cerulean coral]

when you don't play enough and I just realized that I can open codec when Special Mission starts. So that?

[hearty dirge]

I wonder what emulator is next

[dusty radish]

nokia gonna take down the n-gage emulator

[cerulean coral]

Symbian is better

[cerulean coral]

@pure radish is possible better resolution whitout implement psy-q library? To be honest, I don't know if aarch64 can be compiled and linked as a subsdk

[pure radish]

the psy-q stuff I'm doing in v2.1 is just for the GTE widescreen hack so that things aren't stretched

most of the higher resolution stuff is done with a few code hooks in the emulator

should be possible to compile an equivalent thing that does what m2fix does but for aarch64

other than the x86 assembly bits which will need manual porting to aarch64

is MGS1 on switch actually running in 64bit mode?

on PC its 32bit and it always seemed like an oversight to me

[pure radish]

@cerulean coral do you have the PC version of the game? you should get it 😛

if only just to compare with the switch one

it would help with porting, somebody would need to have both

[hearty dirge]

Someone buy mgs1 for him

[cerulean coral]

no :c only Switch

[cerulean coral]

arm...wait

:v

My mistake, I opened it on the way to 8.3...returned to 7.7

[pure radish]

show me 1 instruction and i can tell you if its arm32 or arm64 lol

[cerulean coral]

and it is arm64

[pure radish]

yep

wow

that means the PC version being 32bit is just a bug

"bonus content" is 64bit and also M2

but this suggests there is no actual reason for MGS1 PC being 32bit

glad I got bonus content working as if they ever switch MGS1 to 64bit I can easily adapt

1. that will still be annoying to do

2. but please do it because x86 32bit is horrible to work with

[cerulean coral]

I know some games on switch that were ports of Wii U in 32 bits and in the updates they went to 64 bits, also some others

And you might be surprised to know that Super Mario RPG, made in Unity, is 32-bit on Switch 😛

[glad frost]

wow, that's really weird

i wonder if this is worth bringing to the attention of Konami?

it might be something they can easily fix?

[meager ice]

How does a bug like that even occur?

[glad frost]

yeah i have no idea

i trust nuggs completely though

if you had asked me, i would've said they simply didn't realize/didn't think about it

[keen wharf]

Maybe if they plan to release a Mac version

[pure radish]

its usually a very simple build config thing

like m2fix has both an in-use 32bit and 64bit config

purely because it has to due to this mistake in MGS1's build

ultimately its a flag that is passed to the compiler

means they'd have to change to shipping 64bit DLLs too, like steam_api64

but theyre already doing that for bonus content

by shipping bonus content and MGS1 switch as 64bit, it strongly suggests that there isn't a code portability issue responsible for 32bit being used

they're leaving some performance on the table by doing that

though MGS1 isn't the most demanding title in the collection

I doubt they will fix it unless they have evidence that its causing practical problems

there's still real problems affecting people's experiences to solve, so something quite academic like this won't really be looked at

[cerulean coral]

maybe compatibility, check if other M2 emu, co also use 32 bits in Win

[keen wharf]

Mega Man X Legacy Collection is 32-bit last I recall. It does make sense there since it applies to all games in the collection and it's also the case for the classic Mega Man games.
Here's more questionable since about all games in the Master Collection are 64 bit, even the system requirements are asking for 8 GB of ram lol

[keen wharf]

I think for Switch, almost every game is 64-bit. The only exception I can currently think of is Mario Kart 8 Deluxe

[cerulean coral]

what they do with these arcade emulators is wonderful

[keen wharf]

oh shit, I didn't knew a rerelease of Blissful Death was made

[pure radish]

https://twitter.com/itsmekye/status/1765734561407737974

kye.🐝 (@itsmekye) on X

Nina Hossain’s legendary slip of the tongue on #ITVnews just now. Mr C*nt indeed 🤣

Twitter · Mar 7, 2024, 1:41 PM

[dusty radish]

it keeps happening

[pure radish]

it really doesnt seem like an easy mistake to make

yet it happens all the time

[chrome path]

They're probably constantly briefed any time this happens, "DON'T say Jeremy Cunt."

And then they have it in their head, every time it comes up, "Don't say cunt don't say cunt don't say cunt don't say cunt don't say cunt"

[pure radish]

welp

better race than last week

we'll just pretend this was the season opener

[humble ravine]

Incredible result for Oli Bearman! 7th on debut with 36 hours notice

[pure radish]

yeah ive never been so happy for someone i dont know

papa cam made it

[cerulean coral]

oh nice the new update include 16:9 from screen setting

[pure radish]

yer

did you only just update to v1.4? lol

[cerulean coral]

yes, finally xd I need to look for the camera again, from the width. Problem... it is necessary to first look for the "asm" pointer of the camera that performs a constant write in the ViewPort or field of view

Camera3D Parameter --> Width Size --> (Breackpoint Write) --> Change Nop instruction --> Mod Width Size

[pure radish]

what does ur camera mod do

[meager yacht]

WOW
https://youtu.be/EWhpJdL89EY

[pure radish]

[humble ravine]

Jheeeeeeeezzz

[pure radish]

wonder if thats on GOG

or PSX

[meager yacht]

It has ps1 controls prompts but the image is too stable 🤔

On the other hand the gog version has hd fonts for all text iirc

[red cradle]

if it's PS1, I wonder if they use ketchup mod loader to test it on MC too

[cerulean coral]

oh that's great, this could be a good mod for virtual reality. Mods is public?

[hearty dirge]

Reading thru the comments

Don’t think it’s mgs1 emulator version

At least not master collection emulator

OP is kinda tight lipped about details, says “in due time” more details will be dropped

Doesn’t specify which version of the game is used though

[cerulean coral]

that soldier gave him something

[plain hemlock]

the hd font is easy to turn off in gog, so it probably is the gog version

[chrome path]

This was a very old cheat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-R8Hg_dB9sM

Video from 15 years ago.

The dpad still functions as if top-down.

So it's really just a gimmick.

A fun one-off play around, but it's not like the entire first person mode in Integral.

[pure radish]

refund

[cerulean bough]

Jeez seeing MGS1 from this angle

You really get a look at how low complexity the environments actually are

Really illustrates how much the "fixed" camera and grimey texture work add to the image

[cerulean coral]

The mgs1 cameras have many parameters, one of them is used by the vinoculars, to zoom

Zoom 100 = 320 s32
Zoom 1000 = 3200 s32

[chrome path]

Tends to be. It was a bit of a marriage between clever use of the PS1's shitty 3D rendering, and excellent 2D art. The visual novel expertise that KCEJ had was probably invaluable in how they came at depicting areas.

Like, there's a room in the Tank Hanger with two computers, and the textures depict the mouses in different positions from one-another, for example. It's silly. You only see it from the upper duct, and It's an optional room you can only go in on revisits with a Level 4 card or something.
The emphasis on wanting to make the place feel like a lived-in-place is something so well done, you don't think of it as anything but a well lived-in place. The illusion is really great.

I mean the building is nowhere near up-to-code but, y'know what I mean. Even within its own bizarre layout, the finer details are always cared about.

[cerulean bough]

Chyea and you can even see the same examples accired for Silent Hill 1

Which features alot of the same rendering style as MGS1

Somewhat similar camera moving thru 3d environments

Using alot of techniques to tunnel vision you into details instead of the actual environmental fidelty

And hell it still remains to a degree in MGS2 and 3

Where they leverage the medium of camera, and tons of techniques to make the game looker better

[chrome path]

MGS2 in particular, they relied heavily on drawing in the lighting. It's part of why I dislike the HD collection so much. They used a generic upscaler on hand-drawn, painstaking lighting and artwork, then zoomed the camera in to make it 16:9, cutting out most of that detail from the in-game shots.

It's the big reason Twin Snakes looks kinda flat, in comparison.

MGS2's lighting was bizarrely detailed.

[pure radish]

nice

[cerulean coral]

https://gbatemp.net/threads/cheat-codes-ams-and-sx-os-add-and-request.520293/post-10376333

[glad frost]

fuck me dead it's taking Konami a while to fix the analog inputs for MGS1

I assume they've possibly already finished and are waiting to finish other stuff (sound glitches etc?) before releasing it as one patch

cause if not - bruh

[pure radish]

they definitely have that done

already

most complicated thing there will probably be unfucking everyone's steam input configs

[pure radish]

in general I doubt the M2 stuff is giving them the most difficulty

[cerulean coral]

you have to hack all the M2 emulators

[glad frost]

Maybe the past couple of months has been spent having meetings saying "Hmm, maybe we should hire this 'nuggs' bloke"

[pure radish]

I'd be prepared to port m2fix to anything else on PC

I'm not ready to cross over to non-PC yet though :p

[cerulean coral]

Oh yes, I remind you that your work is very advanced, it will take me time to adapt to your mods and bring them at least to the hybrid. At least I would like to see if it is possible to add new functions such as turn on or off, and new buttons to interact with your mod in the launcher.

FUN_7100XXXXXX(local_80,(byte *)"NewParameters, -1);

[pure radish]

squirrel bindings would do that, yeah

I should really get Sqrat set up

probably would help reduce a lot of the boilerplate

have some global M2Fix object in the root table

m2engage itself is using Sqrat but I've only embedded Squirrel itself so far

not too difficult to do squirrel bindings in m2fix, but without Sqrat your head will hurt getting all the boilerplate correct

[cerulean coral]

sqrat is the backend and squirrel is the frontend? In itself it is easy to learn to modify .nut, but it must be complicated what makes everything work

[pure radish]

sqrat is a binding layer between squirrel objects and C++ classes

so you have like

C++ <-> sqrat <-> squirrel <-> .nut

it just makes the squirrel virtual machine very elegant to work with in C++

while the emu itself is C, the EmuTask object (and friends) are C++

m2fix source at the moment does a lot of manual low-level squirrel stack operations written by hand which is something that really ought to be handled by some C++ automagic

could even go as far as variadic args and type deduction, dunno if Sqrat does it that way though

not impossible to keep doing it the way I have done, its just a bit shit lol

so between EmuTask and the emubase layer they must have the C++ to C FFI as well lol

far too much code in this thing

[cerulean coral]

okay, nice shit workflow. I need other years of experience
I suppose this is due to work between departments of the studio, for those who worked with .nut they had the documentation made from M2Epi

[pure radish]

im guessing its all just sold as middleware and the squirrel stuff is for customer buy-in

if its as simple as modifying a few scripts you don't really need a C++ engineer

[cerulean coral]

They would have to be modified in the process, in the tests they send the .nut code, in the commented functions it is seen that messages were left between the engineers

[cerulean coral]

bad news

1.4 update switch change to 32bit

[pure radish]

what the fuck

seriously? haha

did they ever announce a bug fix for switch-only?

i can't fucking believe this

[cerulean coral]

It doesn't detect it in IDA, and for Guidra, both loaders do not support aarch32. But in Guidra, some functions if kept in Aarch64, will not be decompiled

but, use breeze app can see asm instruction

there is something different in main that is not recognized as aarch64

[pure radish]

those instructions look like aarch64 to me

"x" register prefix etc

[cerulean coral]

oh sure, these loaders have their internal config, I enabled some analysis options and I see what I was looking for in Guidra, and it already looks good in IDA with a small update that I found.

but I don't rule out finding x86 instructions D:

[pure radish]

i'd be surprised if the switch OS allows changing it at runtime, its gotta be one or the other

[cerulean coral]

Well, this is supposed to change the configuration of the controller connected to port 1 or 2. IDA not show Speudocode

What does this config do? I don't have the PC version, which of the 2 is not related to spycross?

I also wanted to see the configuration of the analogs

[pure radish]

only "Widescreen" is using psycross code

external res controls the emulator program's window size & properties

internal res controls PSX resolution

[cerulean coral]

then you should see internal resolution

case 0x8002 not exist from internal gpu?

[pure radish]

what do u mean it doesnt exist?

[cerulean coral]

M2MachineCommand > bInternalEnabled

What is the default resolution?

[pure radish]

sorry i went to bed haha

like 240p

or 256p

its variable, depends on whether its PAL or not

[cerulean coral]

This emulator is full of canvas size adjustments, both floats and int. Most are reset when you enter the codec

[pure radish]

the codec on the PAL games uses a different display mode

integral doesn't

so if you're looking at PAL, yes the display is reset as it enters some 368xYYY mode

the save select screen uses the same mode

I originally used that as a signal to disable the res hack, since those things didn't need a res boost and it just broke things

but that doesn't work for integral

integral is basically in one mode the whole time

[cerulean coral]

I modified 0x3FF in case I found something from the gpu, it seems like some scalable type (0x1FF, 0x3FF) another value will appear dark

[glad frost]

Can't wait for the holy combo of nuggs' resolution mod and konami's native controller patch 🙏

At this rate it honestly seems like nuggs will somehow get there first, lol

[cerulean coral]

The base games of the update are supposed to be PAL Europe, but some say UK and I don't know if they are also PAL, I would have to get the DLC for the USA or NTSC version

Honestly, this emulator loads with many screen ratio configurations, most of them do the same

[woeful flare]

@pure radish alert, MGS1 got an update

okay, to catch you up to speed

i saw zero improvements and the only thing that happened is that they broke the analog fix

i lied LOL

but with this update, even with analog disabled in the ini you aren't able to use it, so that should probably be fixed up

[glad frost]

Oh SNAP I spoke too soon

• Fixed an issue in which analog input did not work as intended*

^ update from today

[red cradle]

yeah if you use M2FIX the official analog fix doesn't work

[woeful flare]

so for it to work you'd have to delete it

well, the game's in a decent enough state where that wouldn't be a big issue

i guess now it's just fixing that analog thing (probably deleting that part in particular) and then continuing work on the internal upscaling and widescreen

[meager ice]

Now I can't use the analog stick at all

Idk what I did

[glad frost]

It's the conflict between the stopgap 'fix' we had and the official fix

remember that the stopgap fix was two parts; the settings in nugg's ini file, and the steam controller config that you had to manually select/enable

[woeful flare]

it's still super weird

[glad frost]

Ok well there's one more possibility, the patch notes technically say:

Fixed an issue in which analog input did not work as intended*

Curious what that asterisk is...

[glad frost]

oh

well that clears that up

so it should technically be properly fixed, one would presume

unless this IS their best effort

[woeful flare]

if this really is their best effort...

[glad frost]

or, yeah, maybe it's potentially still a conflict

[meager ice]

Its still not quite there yet

[glad frost]

Submit a ticket to Konami, I strongly urge you

both of you

[red cradle]

maybe re-install fresh game files to test it

[glad frost]

popularity has waned and probably 1/100th of the people who have been waiting would even bother; but they won't fix unless they get reports

[meager ice]

I noticed MGS1 was properly at 1080p, or at least was at the right size

[glad frost]

one would assume that's nuggs' initial mod

🙏 hopefully he manages to perfect his current project

[woeful flare]

alright, fresh install on its way

[meager ice]

Yeah doing a fresh install

MGS3 also got an update but no patch notes

[woeful flare]

not yet anyway

oh they're up

check #general-chat

[red cradle]

remember to set steam controller config to defult too

[woeful flare]

any way to reset to default?

[red cradle]

idk, maybe just delete that profile?

[woeful flare]

i just have it at the "share = select" layout now

could just set it to the "gamepad" layout

[copper goblet]

you can just set to the Recommended ones

What a shame though that they set Steam Input enabled for every controller

instead of adding native support to them

[glad frost]

Wait, what's the difference in how it works?

[glad frost]

look at that pixellated blocky-ass snake, god damn

[copper goblet]

it's what I said, it's native support. Doesn't need the original client to work, works better, less latency, etc

But instead they gotta force everyone(for some reason even Xbox controllers???) to use it now :/

[pure radish]

[woeful flare]

yeah.......

[pure radish]

well I got the original config back

have to go into big picture mode to get the option

[copper goblet]

weird, I thought they fixed that kind of problem ages ago(since big picture and non picture uses the same configurator)

[pure radish]

the analog input doesn't work tho

like they did nothing

[woeful flare]

same as here?

[copper goblet]

even with Steam Input force disabled?

[pure radish]

i don't have it glitching like that

its just the same as v1.4.0 without m2fix for me

[woeful flare]

i'll try again with my fresh reinstall soon

for some reason it's been taking fucking forever to reinstall

the network is capping at 1.8mb/s

i hate steam 😭

[copper goblet]

change download region

[woeful flare]

i did four times...

[pure radish]

i doubt it will work at all with steam input turned off

[copper goblet]

are you sure it's the download and not the installation process

I see a lot of people mix the two up for some reason

[pure radish]

oh, it does work without steam input now

but the buttons are swapped

[woeful flare]

yea, it's the network, it's consistently at 1.8/1.9

[copper goblet]

oh, great, so they fixed AND broke analog input, at the same time

awesome

[cerulean bough]

holy shit

MGS2 has a pause menu now

This is awesome

OH MAN

[woeful flare]

gonna assume the analog is the same though?

[cerulean bough]

DID THEY FIX "GORGE" SEALS

[copper goblet]

if I had MGS1 i'd test it myself

[copper goblet]

don't know if you have a non-xbox pad but did you test with an xinput one(or, if you do not have one to just, put it on xinput)

[pure radish]

there is no hope of it working out of the box with steam input on, the steam input config still binds left stick like a dpad

[blazing crypt]

Im about to check

[pure radish]

well

they did change something because m2fix will fail to find one of the signatures for analog

[cerulean bough]

Jeez

You already see their issue?

LOL

Respect+

[woeful flare]

"fixed an issue in which analog input did not work as intended" might as well be "we blocked M2Fix because we got jealous that they figured it out before us"

[pure radish]

they've changed this axis clamping thing

if ( *((float *)&v40 + 1) >= 0.0 )
v25 = 32767.0;
else
v25 = 32768.0;

[woeful flare]

...huh...

interesting

[pure radish]

before it was just 32768.0

oh

oh!!

they did

they did implement l_move

epic

[woeful flare]

what's that?

[pure radish]

so it looks like

they did implement analog in the game

[cerulean bough]

What ancient language is that?

OHHHH

[pure radish]

but the steam input config is not updating properly

even if you reset it to default

[woeful flare]

interesting...

[pure radish]

you get a v1.0-v1.4 config

this steam input thing needs more time in the oven if u ask me

its incredibly anti-user

[copper goblet]

they should not use it at all and use native implementations(or GameInput for fucks sake SOMEONE USE THIS GODDAMN THING) imo

[woeful flare]

could someone try to figure out how to get it working in a steam controller config?

[pure radish]

its definitely still intended to use steam input, but it seems to work about the same with it turned off now (just buttons are swapped around)

[copper goblet]

instead of default, did you try the recommended, or are they literally the same

[pure radish]

i fucking called it

lmfao

i knew the hardest part of this would be migrating the steam input configs

[blazing crypt]

is this why 2 and 3 aren't working?

rumble

[pure radish]

2&3 have similar steam input configs, but those already had left stick

[blazing crypt]

odd

[pure radish]

maybe I need to restart steam

[humble ravine]

Lol, its killed Steam Deck controller input for 2 and 3 for me

[blazing crypt]

holy shit

like entirely?

[woeful flare]

oh yay :D

[blazing crypt]

im also still confused as to what the "added steam input support" for 2 and 3 meant since they already had those to begin with I thought?

[humble ravine]

Ah, ok you have to grab one of there own released button layouts

[copper goblet]

well they said "our game supports your controller? fuck you, you're using it anyway"

[blazing crypt]

ok so I was correct

amazing lmfao

[copper goblet]

There's already an amazing Input API that supports virtually everything in the best way possible without breaking shit up but nobody uses it... 😔

[pure radish]

i just dont get why valve made it so hard to edit a text file

[glad frost]

I never enabled the .ini flag for analog in nugg's mod, nor did I download the custom profile; the konami patch today had it working right off the bat

input still feels a bit laggy even with 'fast' enabled, but i guess this is as good as it can get 😛

[pure radish]

which controller do you have?

so it looks like what's happened

konami did update the steam input configs, but they're active for the staging branch of the game only, currently

so they forgot to overwrite the live game config with the staging one

you can tell steam to grab the new one, but even that doesn't work properly because the input action on the left stick is undefined

hopefully they will notice soon, doesn't require a game update to sort it

it's just a steam problem

what I really dislike about steam input is how difficult it is to tinker/tamper with, it's very walled garden

it's just moving text files around behind the scenes, so... let me edit them please

instead we have to use this stupid deckified browser interface where resetting a game to default is almost too much to ask of it

why can't I just browse it like the steam workshop in the normal browser? it's using steam workshop behind the scenes

[timid hemlock]

lol how annoying. But good thing they fixed it!

[cerulean coral]

Today I have an advance regarding the third person camera

[pure radish]

[cerulean coral]

First, you cheat the game that is in first person view
Second, the camera transition counter is locked at 5.
And third, the emu is fooled that it is still in top-down view, but only for the function, inverting the camera when you hit an obstacle

[pure gazelle]

So, how the analogy is like?

With the update of course.

[pure radish]

I dont think anyone has analog working on PC atm coz of a steam configuration issue on konami's end

[meager ice]

I had a custom config and I forgot how to reset to default

[keen wharf]

Left stick doesn't exist....

[meager ice]

They fixed it

Fixed it their way

[keen wharf]

I can't for the life of me find a way to reset to the oficial config lol

There are some in community but they map the dpat to the left analog stick

and of course, no left stick options when configuring that so...

[copper goblet]

Recommended

[keen wharf]

Doesn't exist on my end lol. Maybe I should restart Steam

[pure radish]

you need to enable the big picture developer options

there is a way to reset it with those

still won't save you from Konami's mistake today tho

[keen wharf]

This is so stupid lol

[pure radish]

it's actually borked fwiw, assuming nothing has changed in the last 3 hours, nobody has analog working on PC rn

[keen wharf]

OK, I ended up getting the official configuration by connecting the Switch Controller lol.
But yeah, it's still DPad mapped to stick

Recommended is just gone now

I'd assume they're probably working on the Steam input side...at least hoping so

[pure radish]

good news is M2Fix doesn't really need an update

Analog = false will be fine when they fix their shit

[copper goblet]

They could just add native support back...it's better that way anyway. :/

I remember wondering why Tomb Raider remasters didn't have Playstation prompts for some reason...then I discovered I had to disable Steam Input and they worked 😐

Steam Input works best when it's an addition, not a requirement(it should NOT be a requirement)

[keen wharf]

Yakuza Kiwami 2 had a similar case

Steam Input made the game believe an Xbox controller is connected

I think it's for the best for the game to always have a manual controller prompts option

[copper goblet]

Heck, there are a few games on Steam(namely Tales of Arise) that are only playable with Steam Input and you cannot use ANY controller at all otherwise

[keen wharf]

It's nice that Persona 3 Reload does cause I'm playing it on gamepass and of course Microsoft Store games by default only support Xbox controllers

[woeful flare]

okay i just woke back up

do i have to do anything on my end for the fix

my layout's already set to their default, didn't know if i needed to set it to something else and back again

[pure radish]

if u used m2fix analog u will need to reset to default, but that doesn't help u much atm coz the default is out of date too

[woeful flare]

so there's nothing i can do then 😭

[pure radish]

it's possible to tell steam to grab the updated config but it seems to validate that against some set of game actions that must be defined elsewhere, and that results in it junking the left stick action

mite be possible to solve it but I didn't do it yet, steam input is pretty arcane tbh

[glad frost]

I have a PS3 controller, which uses a really old version of DSX to talk to windows (that part is probably irrelevant). I think it registers as an "xinput controller".

I had your mod installed but I never enabled the analog flag nor did I ever enable the custom layout to make that work.

Today's update seemingly just worked immediately. Only tested for 2 mins but seemed like normal analog functionality

[pure radish]

oh

i think i got it to work

hmm

[glad frost]

i didn't even touch that stuff or anything

[pure radish]

im not convinced you have analog input lol

[glad frost]

i wonder if these issues ppl are having is due to the custom layout

I'm happy to prove or help somehow if possible

[pure radish]

the game basically falls back to 8 directional movement mapped onto the stick if its not happy

[glad frost]

ah right

i see what you mean now

[pure radish]

and it's possible to convince yourself that its analog when its not

best way to test is to go first person

and touch the stick slightly and see if you can control the speed

[glad frost]

yeah i only played for like 1 min, in a small corridor (vr training), might not have been perfect 360 analog

[pure radish]

nice, I got it completely working

tbh it does work nicer than mine did lol

[kindred chasm]

Sticks work?

[pure radish]

yea

[kindred chasm]

What'd you do?

[pure radish]

gave steam the correct game actions spec

then told steam to grab the updated config

and then made one tiny code change in m2fix which i'm gonna test against v1.4 now to see if i can just do it always

[kindred chasm]

Share the config

[pure radish]

ok that werks

[kindred chasm]

Can't believe nuggs pirated an unreleasee a controller config

[glad frost]

So it is perfect 360 analog? But - in order to achieve this, we need to do some extra fucking around?

Or maybe it was like that for me too and I just didn't realize

[pure radish]

yer

the fucking around seems required rn coz the MGS1 steam configuration is fukt

i cant do much about that part

they might sort it eventually

m2fix does need a fix tho

well

kinda

maybe u can get away with leaving Analog = true but its not gr8

[glad frost]

I'll try testing mine - it should be fairly easy to notice though right?

[pure radish]

actually no it definitely does need a change otherwise you have two things driving the analog input or it not working at all

kek

i mean its obvious when you know what to look for

but for just walking around you might not even notice the dpad mapping

bit of a nightmare doing the wolf fights without analog tho

alrite final integration testing

oh

lol

of course it doesnt work rn

coz i have v1.4 game

lmao

lets try that again

yey

works

jesus, how do i write this up

[woeful flare]

please do tho, i can't figure this out 😭

[pure radish]

chill bruh it hasnt even been a day

https://github.com/nuggslet/MGSM2Fix/releases/tag/v2.2

[woeful flare]

oh yay!

[woeful flare]

my installation doesn't have the "controller_config" folder, it should be ok to just make that, right?

[pure radish]

yeah, make it

i'll add that to the notes

[glad frost]

Hmmm yeah I just tested Konami's fix and it does seem to be 8-directions on the analog stick rather than true 360 analog

I couldn't really say for certain but it did feel/look that way

Which is kind of ass

#modding-general message

😅😅

[pure radish]

they definitely implemented analog properly

[glad frost]

I was almost joking when I said that...

Oh

[pure radish]

it'll all work fine on console

[glad frost]

sorry i'm hella confused now haha

[pure radish]

it's a steam issue

[glad frost]

ah right

so - unless you do the extra fucking you mentioned earlier, you only get 8-directions. Gotcha.

Big shame for anyone who doesn't browse this discord

Fingers crossed the fine folks at Konami actually realize 😅

[pure radish]

eh, i've been there haha

analog was probably sorted so long ago they forgot

and they just assumed doing the depot deployment to live was all that was necessary to release

we've made enough noise by now, they'll notice

[glad frost]

👍

[keen wharf]

nuggs to the rescue once again

[cerulean coral]

8 Axis*

[blazing crypt]

does the rumble work for mgs1 or no

[pure gazelle]

Hows the update analog going with you boys?

[woeful flare]

i have felt rumble, so yea it works

[sick osprey]

I'm a little confused
So did Konami not actually fix analog input correctly? Why is it so difficult to push a change to everyone's Steam Input settings?

[cerulean coral]

💀I will no longer be able to make mods for time on my switch

[pure radish]

wtf

melted?

looks a bit scorched

[cerulean coral]

powder, the cover is of very poor quality. and some tf pins were the ones that rose, I'll be lucky if the one at the base is okay

[pure radish]

the game itself has implemented it fine

and exactly as i expected

its just steam is a bit of a disorganised mess from the backend perspective

as it evolves in all directions at different times

creating the circumstances that allow deploying updated depots that make new use of steam APIs, but not actually deploying the prerequisite configuration on the steam side

they'll sort it out, it doesn't even require a game update to do it

its a 5 min job when they notice and action it

games that use lots of steam API functions can't really be summarised as just the files on your disk

[indigo quartz]

So the profiles you shared with the latest m2mgsfix will make analog work even without the mod installed?

[pure radish]

yer

they're just the ones they intended to provide

not modified in any way, they come direct from a konami account

[glad frost]

The way I understand it - konami has fixed it properly, but, the files required haven't been delivered to the end-user properly (not in the right directory). Requiring you to manually move them.

Unless you do this, it's only 8-directions mapped to the analog stick

[pure radish]

nothing under the MGS1 install dir needs to change for them to fix it

its just steam shite

it'll be one of those phantom 5kb steam updates u occasionally get

when they do sort it

[glad frost]

Konami will have to be the ones that do that though, right?

[pure radish]

yeah i mean nobody here can modify the app's default configuration lol

[glad frost]

yeah, as opposed to Steam though is what I meant

[pure radish]

yeah they wouldn't get involved in this

[indigo quartz]

I can confirm two things. 1. It works! 2. Nuggs is the GOAT.

[glad frost]

Nuggs is our lord and savior

Gonna eat these 2 chicken nuggs in his name, and spark up a little green nugg later in his name

[sick osprey]

Ah yeah okay.
So it's not a "Thanks Konami"
but more of a "Thanks Gaben".

[pure radish]

its an easy mistake to make

every other platform wouldn't need this separate step

and they probably wrapped up analog months ago

[sick osprey]

"Hey Valve are we all good to fix this controller issue?"
https://tenor.com/view/gabe-newell-no-ytpmv-lol-no-disagree-gif-17266802

[pure radish]

steam input is also pretty young - not sure i've seen many games using "ingame actions" exclusively so its all a bit novel

[glad frost]

The most uncanny thing about this is that it mostly works without the user fixing it; you only get 8-directions mapped to the stick, but it's not immediately obvious for some. Konami themselves may have even missed it, and many users might miss it too

[pure radish]

that's because the original steam input configuration performed that mapping

and since it doesn't update properly, you're just using v1.4 bindings

[glad frost]

Interesting

[pure radish]

incidentally, they didn't even need to do that

without steam doing the mapping, there's logic in the game itself to do the directional mapping

[glad frost]

Easy enough mistake for konami to make then I guess; I just find it interesting how it turned out because potentially many people would actually miss that it wasn't truly working

[pure radish]

presumably for non-Steam platforms

so they had redundancy with this dpad mapping

we went on this farcical excursion when I first implemented analog

"will it work after this? no..." and repeat

seemed like there were infinite layers all doing directional mapping independently of the others

just in case, i guess

but yeah eventually I can just remove all that additional instruction when konami fixes it

[glad frost]

One would hope they do that soon. Like you said, a 5 min job right.

[pure radish]

next they can fix the nonsensical keyboard layout

[glad frost]

Then again it's been 3 months since the previous update

It's probably stupid for me to think that there's a chance they might not realize it isn't implemented properly, right?

[pure radish]

the word's probably travelled already

[glad frost]

true

you're right

[pure radish]

anyway i wouldn't really worry about screwing up the steam input stuff

it is possible to reset it all, it's just a bit hidden

just need to go into big picture mode and enable the developer options

[blazing crypt]

did they just drop a new update?

[glad frost]

Yep, for all 3 titles

[blazing crypt]

no like just now

[glad frost]

they added a pause menu (lmao) to MGS2 and 3

oh

[blazing crypt]

for mgs1

[glad frost]

Hmmm yeah I have an update showing in Steam from 9 minutes ago

but.... Steam does that sometimes, for kind of... i dunno what they are

particularly MGS, it seems to have had a lot of kind of 'ghost' updates

I think this one might be legit though? Steam says it was 2gb

[pure radish]

seems like a steam bug

[glad frost]

hmmm

[pure radish]

https://steamdb.info/changelist/22752459/

it happens quite a lot for MGS1

[glad frost]

Yeah it's weird

[pure radish]

seems like some title metadata gets removed and readded later

only to be removed again

sounds like some steam backend component misbehaving

and its always when tons of titles change at the same time

so more than just MGS1 affected

[glad frost]

Usually when I've seen them, they are like 30kb updates though. This one does indeed seem to have downloaded 2gb to my system

could still be the same thing i guess

just curious

[pure radish]

valve writing buggy software, never expected that

[pure gazelle]

soooo has anyone try mod analog with new update or is new update is good enough without a mod?

[pure radish]

its been explained like 100 times already lol

[glad frost]

https://tenor.com/view/trevor-donovan-trevdonofans-the-engagement-plot-guilty-as-charged-gif-26540599

[glad frost]

tl;dr is it works perfectly as long as you do an additional small step yourself, which nuggs figured out. He has instructions on his github repo: https://github.com/nuggslet/MGSM2Fix/releases/tag/v2.2

Alternatively you can wait for konami to 'fix' this additional step, which... in theory shouldn't take long at all, but...

[pure gazelle]

Alright I'll keep that in mind, I just have the game on console just not for PC yet waiting for see reaction for PC to be analog fix before I buy.

Thanks for the link

[glad frost]

You're welcome. It is technically fixed properly (proper 360 analog input); just that... the configs needed weren't in the right place. So it's fixed, it just... isn't setup properly for the end-user without a small adjustment in Steam. Konami should be able to rectify this easily, if you prefer not to do that.

[pure gazelle]

I am willing to wait to see if they'll get a quick fix on it hopefully

[indigo quartz]

Where is the "online manual" for each game actually located? Are there offline backups?

[meager ice]

AFAIK the manuals are all on the metal gear website

No idea if they’ve been backed up but that’d be great

[woeful flare]

hoping to god people see this instead of complaining to konami 😭

[woeful flare]

more than likely they've been backed up on internet archive

maybe there's a way to fully download them...

[glad frost]

haha, apologies, i did encourage people to report to konami, didn't see the harm in it at the time

thought it might keep them on their toes in regards to knowing players are out here, patiently waiting for these updates 😅

[woeful flare]

yeahhh

[pure radish]

as long as you're polite & respectful i don't think there's any harm

[timid hemlock]

Yeah just be nice about it. They are actually interested in proper feedback

[uneven comet]

I have no knowledge in coding, but I thought you guys might find this interesting. I know some people will feel like this isn’t the right way to play a game, this would be an optional thing and I thought it was cool

https://youtu.be/7JjRXqJIezM?si=WtgTwSePlF5tsr_v

i asked him if this was for the master collection or for duckstation. He claims to be working on both to see which is better.

[kindred chasm]

Doubt there's offline back ups. Online manuals for all games should be in the stance menu, except for 3. 2's stance menu is R1 + L1 while paused, 3 has additional settings which I imagine is there

[hearty dirge]

He didn’t say he was working on both versions, he didn’t specify which version at all. I think he will explain soon tho

Most likely is GOG port

[tribal acorn]

someone already replicated that 3rd person camera thing in here

yesterday

just scroll up a bit

to around this same time yesterday

[hearty dirge]

I think it was the switch version

[limpid pewter]

It is old cheat, as mentioned here
#1168512986491670548 message

When I said that under his (livelikerocktv) video, he immediately deleted my comment 🤣

[uneven comet]

ah man thanks for letting me know. I’ll look into it !

[uneven comet]

I had to ask him twice. Other people are asking similar things and he did seem like he is dodging questions.

[uneven comet]

in another comment he said emulator.

[hearty dirge]

🧐

[pure radish]

sounds like attention seeking at this point

[uneven comet]

ngl he did gave me that vibe

[cerulean coral]

It is a very simple mod to do. And from what I saw in the video, it has the same problem when leaning against the wall, the camera does not invert. They need to patch that, this is disabled while in alert or first person and the mod uses first person mode.

[cerulean coral]

I barely found out about the PC port, it looks like the integral version

[red cradle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk-OySk_VPg At this point I think they will release more episodes and keep seeking attention until 4/1 ,and then saying like "haha this is a April Fools joke lol"

[kindred chasm]

April fools haha

[cerulean coral]

From Pal (Version Español)
Memory Address:
0x800B895C Counter Camera Transition 1Person (lock 5)
0x800B8980 Active Reverse View (Active Reverse view (Active 0x111 - default 0x101)
0x800B9B8A Active First Person view (Active 0x1)
0x800AC5E0 Active First Person view Temporal ( Active Lock 0x1)

I don't think they'll release it soon, because they have to resolve a lot of things. I think that even if it is seen in third person, pressing up will not take you forward, but rather to the direction that the camera focuses by default on the stage. Yes you can make it go forward by pressing up, but there is another problem related to hanging on walls, this will make it move away from the wall because the camera keeps looking from behind.

[cerulean coral]

but they have good progress, because they can use the Weapons and Items Menu

[plain hemlock]

and the camera itsself is placed way too low for it to be enjoyable to play

[cerulean coral]

At a minimum, for it to be a good experience, it must allow: moving forward of the camera, inverting when we are on a wall or allowing the camera to be rotated to your liking, not passing through walls. Just lower your expectations and hope that the reverse engineering of mgs1 arrives in good hands (modders)

[zinc ferry]

my running theory is that it's some common redistributable updating that's somehow triggering tons of stuff to update - considering it's making like 4k+ games to update at the same time

[indigo quartz]

Is there any hope for an eventual unofficial VR Missions level editor?

[indigo quartz]

As suggested, the online manuals are viewable from the main MG site too...
https://metalgear.konami.net/manual/mc1/en/index.html
...I'm having Wayback save them as I type this.

I also have a dumb idea that maybe nuggs could add support for fetching the manuals from a local backup for people with unreliable net access, but that wouldn't be super slick without the same feature on MGS2, 3, etc.

[zinc ferry]

MGS2 & MGS3 have a view manual button in their pause menus now iirc.

As of 2 days ago

[indigo quartz]

But they're still pulling from online right?

hmm seems wayback is choking cause of the system and language selection...

[pure gazelle]

btw

time for me to download that mod

[pure radish]

[cerulean coral]

I'm still confused how to use that.

[pure radish]

im open to suggestions on how to improve it, already made some changes to make the .ini clearer

but pretty sure that guy has not made any suggestions or even spoke to me lol, how can i give him tips

I don't want the .ini to be a wall of text as then it's hard to read, maybe the release zip needs its own readme

but sometimes people just don't want to read lol, can't do much about that

[red cradle]

maybe people used to see like gui interface

[north estuary]

It's the mod still working on 1.5.0?

[pure radish]

yeap

[north estuary]

i have a problem...

for some reason the mod doesn't fill the bottom part of the screen...

[red cradle]

Did you also download the new version of the mod?

[pure radish]

that should be fixed in 2.2

[north estuary]

Oh

Ok

[pure gazelle]

Do I copy all of this and put them in steamapps/commons/MGS1?

Ah nevermind other than game_action is controller configuration

[pure radish]

yeh, game actions thing can be removed when konami fixes it

[pure gazelle]

Ok so all that files expect game_action goes in steamapps/commons/MGS1? I haven't boot up the game to get controller_config files open up yet if I need to get the game detacted the controller to allow files pop up in there?

[pure radish]

game actions goes to Steam/controller_config/ not steamapps, might need to make the controller_config folder (next to the controller_base folder)

[pure gazelle]

just add new folder lol going add files and see

alright time to find out

Ok let me see how to change screen on mgs1

ahh got iit going nice

that was easy

[pure gazelle]

Hmm is there any reason why mgs2 detect the controller as xbox while I have a ps5?

[keen wharf]

Other than "lmao Konami moment" ?

MGS2, MGS3 and the MSX2 games by default start with xbox prompts regardless of the controller connected, you have to manually set your prompts.
The controller recognition doesn't work for these games

[pure gazelle]

Ah hell.

[keen wharf]

The HD fix has an option to set the prompts you want at all times so you won't have to manually set your prompts each time you boot the game up

or you can add a launch parameter to force the prompts you want

[pure gazelle]

Yea I notice the prompt to set it

now it set on ps5 controller

oh shit forgot that launch option

nvm thta for mgs1

[pure radish]

there was a long debate about it here a while back

I think the conclusion was it works properly in MGS1, except when it doesn't

[keen wharf]

Yeah lol. Some people reported that it didn't change prompts for them.
On my end I can tell for sure it changes the prompts to whatever controller I have connected and pressed a button on it. Can't even force prompts of a different controller lol

For MGS1 and Bonus Content that is

[pure gazelle]

Since I'm using PS5 controller, is some way to get sound to my headset after after the ps5 got a dumb speaker on the controller

Nvm figured it out

[glad frost]

Wait, you didn't manage to perfect the resolution project did you? I thought there were some needle in the haystack bugs you had to iron out

[timid hemlock]

MGS1 got an update today to fix the steam input issues

[pure radish]

ORLY

LMAO

https://steamdb.info/app/2131630/history/?changeid=22774517 yep

ill update the v2.2 advice

[timid hemlock]

lol the update text is like a wall of information. Steam didn't make it easy for them to correct their mistakes 😅

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/2131630/view/5921742839581758119?l=english

[pure radish]

https://github.com/nuggslet/MGSM2Fix/releases/tag/v2.2

ive reuploaded the zip with the game actions file removed, too

[sick osprey]

I'll have to deem my video as outdated now. Glad Konami is working on the collecting and imho they're proving that they're committed to improvement.

[timid hemlock]

Agreed. Hope they fix the weird audio stuff next. Unless they already did this and I didn't realize

[glad frost]

Damn, that was a fast turnaround

[copper goblet]

Glad to hear it 👌 I would still prefer if they restored native support for controllers that had it before but oh well...

[pure radish]

ive deleted the actions file and reset my steam controller settings, restarting steam

just gonna pipe clean it all lol

to make sure it works from scratch

looks like it does

[glad frost]

I saw an update from you earlier in this channel nuggs, I think I misunderstood, but that wasn't you fixing/finishing the resolution thing was it?

#1168512986491670548 message

[pure radish]

thats not from me its just some steam forums crap

[glad frost]

Oh hahaha

Now i look at it properly, so it is haha. Shouldn't have tried reading that as soon as I woke up from my phone

Fuck, of course it detects my PS3 controller as an Xbox controller. Did someone here say there's a way to give Playstation button prompts?

[blazing crypt]

do you have xinput drivers?

but yes there is

you go to settings in the launcher and change them

[glad frost]

Yeah my PS3 controller registers as Xinput (thanks to DS4 windows) so this is 'normal' behavior for me - most games do recognize it as an Xbox controller. Just hoped there was a way to 'fix' that and get the PS3 prompts.

So the MGS launcher itself has options for that?

[glad frost]

Do you have these on hand?

Same issue here as @pure gazelle

[blazing crypt]

yeah options > button settings

same goes for the other versions

but hdfix has a way to set it and bypass the launcher

[blazing crypt]

what's your controller?

[keen wharf]

-ctrltype PS5

or PS4

if you want PS prompts

[keen wharf]

Problem is it will switch back to the prompts for the controller it detects

[blazing crypt]

i thought that was only for 2/3

[keen wharf]

oh those were about 2 or 3. I dunno if it will work with MGS1

[blazing crypt]

I think they fixed it for 2 and 3 aswell in a recent updae

yeah in 1.4

[glad frost]

The funny thing is, in the game itself, on the pause screen, it shows as a DualShock 4 controller.
However, Steam/the new update considers it to be an Xbox controller.

After checking in-game though, it does seem to be showing the right prompts anyway, so i guess the in-game button selection does work

[woeful flare]

dualsense

[blazing crypt]

damn that's weird

are you getting rumble in 2/3?

[keen wharf]

Rumble works fine for MGS1, but 2 and 3 it no longer works

I checked with all controllers I have lol

[blazing crypt]

for some reason rumble isn't working on 1 for me anymore

are yall using steam input?

[glad frost]

Rumble seems to work for me - just tried VR Missions and ran into a guard, it rumbled when he shot me

PS3 controller, registered as Xinput / Xbox controller; using the official konami update

[keen wharf]

If I don't use Steam Input then the controller doesn't work at all

This new update seems to have completely removed native support

[blazing crypt]

wild

[pure radish]

did it even have native support

[blazing crypt]

it did before yes

[keen wharf]

Well, I know MGS2 and 3 did lol

[pure radish]

when I was reversing older versions I never saw MGS1 support anything but steam input

[blazing crypt]

oh maybe im crazy then

[pure radish]

it might be more that steam input doesnt make any sense

e.g. when its "off" its still doing "something"

[keen wharf]

connecting the dualsense with steam input turned off just pauses the game

[blazing crypt]

even when I change to 360 virtual controller on ds4 windows i'm still getting no rumble

[keen wharf]

if I unpause it just pauses on its own again

[copper goblet]

DS4windows has a native DS4 mode you can use(that almost perfectly replaces you using your controller's)

Check this out https://wiki.special-k.info/en/SpecialK/Tidbits#dualshock-4-quick-setup-guide

[hearty dirge]

Ds4windows only works wired ?

[keen wharf]

works wireless

[hearty dirge]

Oh nice I just read adapter and was like huh

[keen wharf]

It connects with bluetooth no problem

[hearty dirge]

Alr cool!

[pure radish]

i havent used ds4windows in years

just doesnt seem necessary anymore idk

[copper goblet]

I don't know, I use mine wired but somehow I have so many freaking headaches unless I set it up like this

[glad frost]

Sorry I should have been more specific. It's not actually DS4 Windows, it's "Scarlet SCP Toolkit" from 'Nefarius Solutions' (😆) which was like, the OG version of DSX or something from 2018

But it works fine for me, so all good.

[pure radish]

oh god

[glad frost]

hahaha

[pure radish]

that thing installs a driver that isnt compatible with win11

[glad frost]

yeah, i should really get around to removing that an updating to the current version

[pure radish]

the current version is uninstalling it

[hearty dirge]

Not all programs/software register ds4 controllers

[pure radish]

pretty sure that was the advice when I searched about it under win11

[glad frost]

Yeah I think you're right

[pure radish]

even the guy that made it was just like "remove it pls"

[glad frost]

Yeah

He's got a newer version now which is much cleaner and friendlier for the OS I believe

this was like... his initial homebrew solution from 2018, though tbf, it still works 😅

[copper goblet]

I just figured out how I can edit that page so I'm finally adding a step I forgor to put that's super important 😭

[copper goblet]

There, it's updated

[blazing crypt]

man this is so frustrating lol

I fixed a setting in ds4 so now I have rumble back overall but i'm still not getting anything from mg

[pure radish]

sounds like y'all making more trouble for yourselves lol

[copper goblet]

Nah I've had it smooth for over 2 years doing this 🤔 I remember sometimes my controller didn't even wish to work, function with Steam Input or double input

Plus kinda easier to play really old games this way 😅

[blazing crypt]

I turned it off entirely but im still having issues

so I have no clue

[copper goblet]

A brazilian is currently making a possible replacement for it, so I'm looking forward to it 😅

[pure gazelle]

Damn

I’ll have to redownload again when I get home

[woeful flare]

did you uninstall the game?

[pure gazelle]

No the files lol that you update

Since Konami did a fast turn around

[pure radish]

controller_config i guess

enabling big picture developer mode and then selecting the game -> developer -> reset steam controller blah blah is probably advisable too

that puts it completely back to official shite

[woeful flare]

they also said to just verify the files

[pure radish]

not sure that will do much tbh

fyi

why is it a developer option, honestly...

[woeful flare]

exactly like

and to be within big picture mode only too

[glad frost]

This will sound nuts, but I actually didn't have today's fix working until I verified game files

I downloaded it, tried it, it was still 8-axis on the analog

decided to verify for the hell of it (not expecting it to do anything) and it worked

can't guarantee that is what fixed it, but seems to be, to my surprise

[pure radish]

yeah its possible, just speculating on this one rly

like, its known for sure verifying game files will fetch anything in the install dir but idk if anyone knows what else it might do

[glad frost]

Yeah it was a bit curious

[pure gazelle]

just got home before I do anything, shall I do game verify on all 3?

just to get controller configuration refresh and such

[pure radish]

dunno how necessary that is for 2&3 (or if it will break ur mods)

for 1 its basically free tho

[pure gazelle]

I don't got many mod just for analog haha

[kindred chasm]

2 and 3 shouldnt be necessary they remembered to change the default. 1 they forgot which is why there was the whole smtick with the analog stick not working lmao

Also mgs1 changes button prompts based on input even if you do change it. An oversight i guess, only 1 handles it like this and it's stupid

Assuming nuggs didn't remove the skip launcher command a workaround is doing it through that, but there's no PSX controller prompts so start is options

[glad frost]

FWIW, I have a PS3 controller (which registers as an Xinput device, so most games see it as an Xbox controller), and after setting the button prompts from the MGS1 launcher, the game itself shows the right prompts + the controller settings in the menu shows 'DualShock 4' (which is technically wrong, it's a DS3, but still)

[woeful flare]

well, it's what they said to do in the post, so i'm not surprised it worked LOL

[glad frost]

Yeah, good point

[timid hemlock]

I'm really impressed with how far this version has come, especially due to Nuggs' mod. Really did not expect it to come this far. What's left now? Fixing the funky FMV errors? Dithering? What more can be done, before the MC version is the definitive way to play it?

[glad frost]

The man himself is probably in the best position to answer that, but yeah after fixing the issues with the internal resolution bump there may be more to discover in the process?

I often notice him making discoveries in here as he's going through the code haha

I guess as a referece point duckstation is the best to use, but it's not like magic can be achieved either, presumably one is limited by what the game itself allows

still though, with the resolution bump it's close enough to duckstation-level graphics i suppose, minus whatever niceties duckstation has

[timid hemlock]

Yeah I agree. I would say dithering is kind of a big deal tho, in terms of emulation accuracy. Hoping it will be possible to achieve, as its an important part of the original aesthetic.

But in any case, the state of this version with mods is miles ahead of what we saw at release. Much better than I could have hoped for.

[pure gazelle]

Sinc I use the analog mod I see no issue with anything else plus using wide screen for mgs1 is nice plus

thumb up

[timid hemlock]

Yes, big thumb up 👍

[pure radish]

yeah there's still lots to do

i have grand plans lol

this is basically only getting started

the more you see inside the thing you see just how much we could be doing

[timid hemlock]

I'm thinking the MC version will probably end up as the base for the decomp project as well. Jayveer talked about this, and making the decomp project into a mod does seem like the smart thing to do, to avoid lawsuits n stuff 🤞

[kindred chasm]

I mean you could make the decomp require a disc or a ROM

[timid hemlock]

Exactly