Modding the MGS1 emulator

[haughty iron]

So, high five

[finite peak]

I see you too are a man of culture!

[haughty iron]

It's honestly just sad to see people defending these...

Especially MGS1

[finite peak]

It’s copium

[haughty iron]

It looks worse than on PS1. When people say "they went for the original experience" I just cringe

I even saw some odd/different sound effects in the MC?

[finite peak]

Oh thats fixed now

[haughty iron]

Also the audio isn't being emulated properly, as Digital Foundry has shown

There are some cuts here and there

Oh good

[finite peak]

Yeah that’s what the profile is for

Speaking of which let me put up the AMD instructions

[haughty iron]

I didn't try out your mod yet as I'm happy with DuckStation atm but I am most grateful for what you unspoken heroes are doing here

[finite peak]

appreciate it, but yeah just to let you know all the crackling and warping and all that is caused due to unstable frame rates

which is why no one on the steam deck has that issue

but everyone else does

Just figured it out on AMD as well

[haughty iron]

Ohhh

Makes sense

My god, KONAMI

You would think they'd just have figured this stuff out since modders already are

Hell, the GOG version is actually mostly fixed too by modders through reverse engineering

It's like 80% fixed. Missing only a few key features that unfortunately make it a mid port, still

[finite peak]

yeah that blur filter can't be removed unlike this one

[haughty iron]

Yeah

I think it's using a bilinear filter

PS1 uses nearest neighbor, I think

Anyway, about shaders. Just in case you guys weren't aware, this collection of HDR-based CRT shaders got released and the reports say it looks pretty much identical to the real thing

https://youtu.be/yNmJ0n-QMCY?si=IFyURenCUZ8WhYG2

Might be worth exploring

The author does point out you need an HDR TV for them to look like they're supposed to

[finite peak]

Yeah that’s why I avoided it

Mine looks good with or without HDR

Also, I have a beef with those kinds of filters

[haughty iron]

Got it. How easy would it be to add it just for HDR users?

I don't have an HDR TV but maybe in the future, you know

[finite peak]

Not hard really, it could have it’s own option

[haughty iron]

Ah cool

[finite peak]

But my thing is this

[haughty iron]

Well you say you got a beef with it though so I can't request it personally

[finite peak]

I understand emulating the good parts of a crt

But why emulate the bad parts?

That’s my problem with those filters

[haughty iron]

No clue, most people in the comments say it looks very authentic

I haven't seen it for myself

[finite peak]

I have 4 different brands of real CRTs I compare all of mine with

All component, early 2000s model

[haughty iron]

And these HDR filters look worse?

[finite peak]

Hell one is from 08 and has an immaculate tube

Most of them do, I created one that is a one for one in retroarch

But…..I went one step further

I looked at it and said…..”why not remove all the bad parts like signal interference?”

[woeful flare]

wait, MGS1 got updated??

[finite peak]

Yeah, not sure what they actually did though

[soft falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/i-get-it-omg-danny-devito-oh-my-god-gif-15873107

[finite peak]

ROFL, well kind of both ways lol

Its awesome yes! But Konami obviously went for a cash grab

These games are awesome on the deck!….and Nothing else!

Pre mods that is

[haughty iron]

Which means your filter now basically looks identical to a real CRT?

Well, almost

I assume it's impossible to look identical

[finite peak]

Naw, it looks better on an OLED HDR

[haughty iron]

I'm planning on getting one in Xmas

[finite peak]

It puts a CRT to shame

[haughty iron]

Alright I'll take ur word for it

[finite peak]

because it can produce colors that simply aren’t possible

on a crt that is

[haughty iron]

Aren't possible on a CRT you mean

Ye

Gotcha

That's great news

This is shaping up to be the best version of MGS1, and shame on KONAMI for not having that as an option since launch.

[finite peak]

Their filters are bad, REAL bad

You can enable them in the ini if you want, its kinda funny how bad they are

[soft falcon]

Has anyone tested whether the new update breaks anything btw?

[pure radish]

as far as i can tell there was no update

[soft falcon]

Ah may have been one of those random refresh updates

[haughty iron]

KONAMI put out CRT filters officially like they promised?

I stopped following MGS1 MC

[finite peak]

yeah but they are bad

[haughty iron]

I mean I expect them to be bad

Yeah why would they be good

[finite peak]

yeah but I mean like.....real bad

[haughty iron]

This requires effort

FF has the same

Not sure if you know about the Pixel Remasters

[finite peak]

naw.....worse than that

like, a lot worse than that lol

[haughty iron]

How. FFPR CRT filters were horrible

Like

Unbearable

[finite peak]

you really want to see?

one sec

[haughty iron]

Sure

I mean how bad can it be

[finite peak]

There you go, all my filters off, all of theirs turned on rofl

[haughty iron]

Isn't this just a piss filter

I don't see any scanlines either

[finite peak]

nope, that's an actual dot matrix filter

with scanlines on

zoom in

it's terrible rofl

[haughty iron]

Oh wait

I looked at it on PC now

Was on phone before

Jesus Christ

This is not how a CRT looked back then

I went through the '90s you can't fool me Konami

[finite peak]

and just for comparisons sake

That's mine

[haughty iron]

Yeah night and day difference

They should honestly give the IP to someone who cares

Delta's future isn't looking good the way things are "progressing"

[finite peak]

that's fine, we're taking it back

I've got plans that konami isn't going to like lol

this is just the start

[haughty iron]

When the 3 big features get in there, I'm definitely switching from DuckStation to this

🙏

[finite peak]

the 3 big features??? I dunno man, playable seemed like the big one to me lol

and you know, analog controls!

[haughty iron]

Oh I meant like

[finite peak]

naw I'm just giving you a hard time

it's all good

[haughty iron]

Internal resolution, and like, overclock

Oh

Lol

But yeah this is already huge tbh

Right now it's basically the closest it's ever been to the original experience

Basically what v.1.0 should have been when it launched

[finite peak]

now I just need to figure out how to port this over to the steam deck....

at least I don't have to worry about the framerate on there cuz it's already locked at 60hz

[haughty iron]

Different OS

Yeah sounds hard

[finite peak]

eh, probably not? most things on it have been pretty simple for me so far, really the main thing I'm worried about is the shader

that's the only thing I'm not sure if I can get on the deck

I love this steam linux, it's like linux for dummies, it's great!

[haughty iron]

Oh nice. I don't own one so I don't know

[finite peak]

well technically speaking I don't yet, I ordered mine and it's on the way but in the meantime I've been using my brothers

I'm not doing the metal gear port till I get mine cuz I'm only going to do so much on a system that isn't mine

mod port?

metal gear mod port?

I dunno anymore lol you get it

[haughty iron]

Yeah of course lol

Got it

I've also been wondering if anyone has tried raising the FPS on a hacked/jailbroken Switch

At least for MGS2

That's off topic though

[finite peak]

I have a switch but metal gear isn’t touching it lol

And yes I’m aware of the irony cuz of our previous conversation but I got it for 100 bucks on facebook marketplace so I figured it was worth it lol

[haughty iron]

Oh I actually I was talking about 2 and 3 running at 30 FPS on it

I'm pretty sure it's more than capable of hitting 60 since the Xbox 360 did it and it's a far inferior console in terms of raw power

But again, this is off topic

Gonna keep an eye out on this thread for new MGS1 updates

[pure radish]

ayy I got direct game boot working

that was a fun challenge

[haughty iron]

@finite peak you said you are now using KONAMI's emulator for the MC, correct? Have you stopped using SwanStation then?

Also, does KONAMI's emulator have a name? What's it called?

[finite peak]

Yeah, awhile ago for that matter

[finite peak]

Broken lol

[dawn flare]

It's M2's emulator that they've used for a number of releases

[pure radish]

its called M2ENGAGE

[dawn flare]

Thanks, couldn't remember the name

[haughty iron]

Does this emulator feature PGXP at all?

Like, in any capacity?

[pure radish]

prob no one knows atm

[haughty iron]

Got it

[pure radish]

reversing the core gonna take a while

need to work out how to select a game

best thing about this solution is all the menus should work fine, shouldnt break anything

[haughty iron]

Very nice

[pure radish]

seems like it actually just boots the last thing you started

maybe don't need a way to configure that

since you can just go back to menu and change to something else

[haughty iron]

This doesn't sound inconvenient

Usually people stick to 1 version

It's not like your everyday user switches between different versions on the fly just like that

Most people just wanna grab a controller of choice, kick back, pop open a beer and play their favorite version

[pure radish]

what is with the default keyboard bindings jesus

[kindred chasm]

Need help nuggs?

[pure radish]

found the decompression func

for lz4a

[quiet lodge]

If we're able to increase the internal resolution and the audio issues are fixed. I'll be happy.

I thought it was a joke but is it really possible to play the game in another emulator like Swanstation? Lol

[soft falcon]

Oooh neat

I mostly just remember other people making scripts to extract from other compilations to use in whatever

Sometimes even flash carts

[pure radish]

yeah i got the thing dumped, will try to write a decompressor

[soft falcon]

Because the new elements were overwritten on the fly, it should be the same as the original rom, right?

[pure radish]

who knows

im not really doing it to get the original rom i can just rip my disc

i cant resist a puzzle, thats the motivation

[finite peak]

Thats the best motivation of all!

Oh wow, yeah this thing really is just an all in one emulator!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ov2sf1bCf0o

[finite peak]

Does anyone know where spoopytoots thread went for his spoopypad?

[meager yacht]

That thread?
https://discord.com/channels/1116856754920226876/1175913047315992678

[finite peak]

Thanks! Don’t know how that fell off my list, also it wan’t showing up in the search

[pure radish]

why does the goddamn thing open the pause menu when i start the game with the launcher skip

it wasnt doing that originally

but i have like a billion input devices attached so

maybe i need a reboot

[haughty iron]

Pensive emoji

[fringe shore]

Seems to be a discord feature, if no posts are made after 7 days or so it goes away from your list, the mgs3 thread dropped off for me as well

But is still in the forums

[pure radish]

need to work out tracing return values

that will help loads

[pure radish]

ayy, got return values

[haughty iron]

What are those?

[pure radish]

the mod has a squirrel tracing feature

writes to the log file

it showed function call parameters but not return values

its useful for this sorta stuff because it should show me the reason the game pauses

this is the cause I reckon

translation: "In-game controller update and disconnection check"

steam moment

aha

it doesn't pause if i have my controller plugged in

[tribal acorn]

it's because consoles require that to happen

so they probably kept it for steam too

steam doesn't require it but strongly suggests you do it

consoles require it for approval: if the game loses focus or the controller is disconnected, it should pause

[pure radish]

replaced those funcs that manage the pad id

replacing squirrel functions with C++ functions kinda wild

the start value is -1

keyboard is 4

i just set it to 4 instead of -1

and it works and both the controller and keyboard work

🤷‍♂️

the game can still change it

all i've done is change the startup value

i think it changes it when a new device is used

i guess -1 is "there is no input device"

[pure radish]

why does snake walk forwards if i press left and right on the keyboard

their dpad thing sucks

[haughty iron]

Lol what

How

[fringe shore]

Left + Right = Up

Its basic math

[haughty iron]

[finite peak]

Because the original game was programmed on a pad that wasn’t capable of simultaneous opposing cardinal directions?

[dusty radish]

well he can't exactly go left AND right at the same time

[pure radish]

the emu is supposed to null cancel though

and.. it tries, but

[soft falcon]

Well at least snake managed to null cancel

In portable ops

[kindred chasm]

Since snake moves up by pressing left and right, do we have to cancel snake now?

[dawn flare]

Snake is an enlighted centrist.

[pure radish]

im getting hella memed here

[kindred chasm]

I thought snake was being memed here

[dawn flare]

Isn't Raiden the one who gets memed?

I've been up for 21 hours now, so don't mind me.

[pure radish]

oh dope im heading that way too

19 hours

and im working on something very silly and i don't want to say what it is until i know it will even be possible

[soft falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/memes-metal-gear-rising-raiden-metal-gear-monsoon-gif-24594648

[keen sky]

If no one tried stupid things we would have much less cool stuff

[pure gazelle]

Been gone for a bit while any update on mgs1 on inputlag ?

[pure radish]

is there any

someones gonna have to prove it first

seems as laggy to me as it did in 1999

[pure gazelle]

well I thought there was going be some fix for some input lag my guess

in modding of course

[haughty iron]

I thought the mod already fixed the input lag

[pure radish]

i hear people have issues in fullscreen

im playing borderless and everything seems fine tbh

[pure gazelle]

I havne't been catching up

Prettty sure that might be coming up next patch if they are doing the work on it

[pure radish]

i think some of it is honestly intentional in the original game

takes a while for snake to change direction etc

which can be perceived as input lag

if i boot it up in pcsx-redux i cant tell the difference with input

maybe fullscreen is a shitshow i dunno, hard to see why fullscreen would be such a mess

[haughty iron]

I'm playing the USA version on DuckStation and I feel it's identical to the USA version in the MC

The PAL version has input lag

[pure radish]

yeah i think he just has acceleration time with movements lol

[haughty iron]

Yeah

[pure radish]

ive seen the code that implements the pal input lag

some logic in the emu slows down the pal inputs

mite patch that if i get round to it

wonder if it breaks anything

[haughty iron]

Well it runs at 25 FPS

So that's why it may have input lag in the first place to compensate for the low fps

That's just a hypothesis though

[keen wharf]

Playing in windowed mode actually helps with the input lag, at least for me.
If you want to play in fullscreen you can try borderless mode from the MGSM2FIX

When playing in fullscreen it's pretty atrocious lol, it might be due to the forced vsync they implemented in the game

In windowed mode, I think it's probably only about 1 frame slower than playing in duckstation unless that's just placebo lol

[pure gazelle]

Hmm 🤔

[haughty iron]

I haven't seen anyone report input lag in the USA version of the game

[pure radish]

past 24 hours awake

pray 4 me

[keen wharf]

Please get some rest as soon as you can

[haughty iron]

[pure radish]

yeeeees

in principle my silly thing works

not the reason im staying up btw. trying to fix my schedule

[haughty iron]

What silly thing

[pure radish]

I got m2fix working under the "bonus content" app aka the nes games

quite a lot of work since its 64bit and mgs1 is 32bit

but eh, i was curious and wanted it to support more than one game

and it was right there, i knew the nes games used M2

i won't spend much time on it long term, t'is just a short detour

it definitely made me fight for it though

really odd that mgs1 is 32bit when clearly they were capable of building M2 as 64bit

but the nes app is even more fucked up, the squirrel VM seems to be partially compiled as 32bit but not quite

I have no clue how they configured it to build in this way

managed to hack it to work tho

[haughty iron]

Ohh that's cool

[pure radish]

yeah it was a bit of an ordeal lmao

didn't wanna say much until I was sure it would work

[haughty iron]

It's good that even these games are getting improvements

[pure radish]

they have enough in common that MGS1 tweaks will apply without any extra work

now that I've done the horrible bit

[kindred chasm]

M2fix for snake revenge hype

[meager yacht]

with added crouch walking lmao

[pure radish]

snake's revenge is like a bad fanfic title

[haughty iron]

Yeah but I would unironically want a sequel spin-off for it

With really goofy bosses and story

It could turn out to be a fun game

Honestly

[pure radish]

had a lil nap

don't feel like im going to have a heart attack now

[haughty iron]

Lmao nice

[finite peak]

Hey guys, whenever someone asks about input lag just try to send them to the mod on nexus

Apparently between the analog fix and the profiles it seems to be fixing most peoples issues with that

[pure radish]

ask them to demonstrate it tbh

[finite peak]

However I think I might even have a “better” solution

[pure radish]

from my point of view it seems like people are talking about input lag because people are talking about input lag

[finite peak]

Naw, Allen at least sent me a video one time

And it was pretty obvious it was bad

Seems to affect AMD cards only though, assuming they are using the mod properly

But Smash said he’s not getting any more lag with that profile

I don’t have an AMD card to test it myself unfortunately

[pure radish]

is the input lag in the room with us now?

[finite peak]

Most users don’t seem to have it using the amd profile on the nexus mod

[dusty radish]

i have amd card and haven't noticed any input lag, feels the same as when i ran it in cuckstation

[finite peak]

Cuckstation rofl

[dusty radish]

[finite peak]

I’m calling it that from now on lol

[dusty radish]

aight but u owe me royalties

[pure radish]

aint nobody using pcsx-redux

[dusty radish]

rember epsxe

[finite peak]

How about no?

Am I the only one who uses Xebra?

[dusty radish]

dunno i only use bleem tbh

[finite peak]

Based

[pure radish]

u joke but i played mgs on bleem on a real dreamcast a month ago

[woeful flare]

oh you made the amd profile?

i'll have to try that when i'm home

[dusty radish]

how was it lol

[pure radish]

great tbh, shame they didn't do more with the vmu

[keen sky]

Wasn't it partially due to how konami implemented steam input or something as well? supposidely its much worse if using a non supported controler (i guess non xbox?)

but its fine for me so idk

it feels laggy but i'm playing the pal release of a 25 fps ps1 game I expect a bit of lag, the original has lag regardless

[pure radish]

i think that was just random speculation

doubt the game actions api is that slow

[haughty iron]

Why is DuckStation bad?

[pure radish]

emu wars

[dusty radish]

it isn't bad, i just saw an opportunity and took it x

[haughty iron]

Oh ok because DuckStation (as far as I know) is the best emulator to run MGS1 on

[finite peak]

Swanstations better

But it is technically a fork of duckstation so make of that what you will

[haughty iron]

I don't know what to make of it, so what does this mean?

[finite peak]

Yeah and it seems to work from the reports to

[finite peak]

Don’t use cuckstation? I dunno

[haughty iron]

But why?

What is wrong with DuckStation?

[woeful flare]

apparently some of the optional features that you can enable "break the game"

i wouldn't know much about that though

i'm more on the opinion of

"let people do what they want, and if they're not happy with it they'll find something else"

[dusty radish]

lol it's practically the same

[kindred chasm]

@pure radish your mod has given me strength

[finite peak]

Cool but wtf is up with all that excess bloom?

[kindred chasm]

I used my phone

[finite peak]

Oh lol

Android phones amiright?

[kindred chasm]

I didn't feel like hitting the screen shot, going to desktop mode, do the griddy, upload it to my phone then send it

[haughty iron]

If we could just raise the resolution to 4K I would play this version even with the frame drops lol

[kindred chasm]

Idk why it won't let me send images in discord

[finite peak]

Frame drops? What are you talking about?

[kindred chasm]

Frame drops occur in game. Think someone says the best example of it in action is where snake starts the game at the heliport if you lean against the box

Afaik that's the emulator's fault

[haughty iron]

See when I stick myself against the wall? It drops to 20 FPS

If this is not enough proof, then I can prove it

[finite peak]

Oh that happens in the original too

[kindred chasm]

Ye

[finite peak]

You have to overclock the emulator to fix that

[kindred chasm]

Wish it came overclocked by default

[haughty iron]

Yes and DuckStation (and RetroArch) solve that, by allowing you to overlock the virtual PS1 CPU to whatever you wish

[finite peak]

To be fair here there only like 5 spots in the whole game that actually happens

It is overclocked by default btw

[haughty iron]

How much?

[finite peak]

I just don’t think they overclocked it enough

[haughty iron]

I found that 200% does not solve the issue when Ocelot gets his hand cut off

I had to set it to 300%

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GG15DNxb16M

Proof

[finite peak]

Thats because thats supposed to be that way lol

That’s a cinematic effect lol

[haughty iron]

Is it? Because when I swim, the FPS gets locked to 20

But when I set the emulator to 300% it does not drop a single frame

[finite peak]

Some of the cinemas are done that way on purpose, it’s why some people hate this collection

[haughty iron]

I doubt this is cinematic because if it was, it'd act the same way as swimming

[finite peak]

Some people only play the originals because mgs2 has cinematics that slow down and are 30 fps on purpose

[pure radish]

the swimming thing is in the game code

[haughty iron]

Yes but this particular one is not cinematic

If it was, it'd be locked

But it's not

[finite peak]

Like nuggs said, its in the game code

[haughty iron]

Can you explain further?

What is in the code?

[pure radish]

its a "feature" of the original rom

when you enter the water it locks the framerate down

[haughty iron]

Yes but what about the Ocelot scene?

[finite peak]

Same with cinematics in the game

[haughty iron]

I showcase it in my video

[finite peak]

Yeah the ocelot scene is one

[haughty iron]

But it doesn't get locked into 20

[finite peak]

Sure you can push the psx past it if you want

But its not made to, and the fact you have to do 300% kinda proves it

[soft falcon]

One man's low framerate is another man's cinematic slowmo

[haughty iron]

But the other scenes lock it to 20 which proves it's a feature

The Ocelot scenes does not lock it to 20

It's not even 20

It's variable

[finite peak]

Oh wait, I keep forgetting, you’re on the PAL version

PAL version sucks, play integral rofl

[pure radish]

heck yeah, m2fix completely ported to nes / bonus content

[haughty iron]

No I am on the USA version

[pure radish]

now to see if i broke it for mgs1

[finite peak]

Well nothing on the USA version is locked to 20 fps ever so you might need to do some more research

[haughty iron]

I don't understand what you mean

[finite peak]

No scene in the entire game is locked to 20 fos

Fps*

[haughty iron]

I emulate the USA version on DuckStation without any enhancements and it drops to 20ish FPS

But when I use 300% OC, then it stays at 30

[finite peak]

You shouldn’t have to be doing 300% to get rid of slow down

[haughty iron]

?

[finite peak]

I only have to do like 130%

[haughty iron]

Did you try the Ocelot scene?

[finite peak]

somewhere around there

OK let me put this a different way

[haughty iron]

200% was NOT enough

[finite peak]

Integral came out one year after the original release

[pure radish]

what are u guys actually arguing about rn

[finite peak]

And they fixed all the slow down issues even on original hardware

[haughty iron]

OK so you are talking about Integral

[finite peak]

That ocelot scene is still that way even in integral

So its intentional

[haughty iron]

I don't understand

[finite peak]

Because if it wasn’t they would have fixed it

Play integral and get back to me

Which is why its the only one I play

[haughty iron]

Wait, how is a major FPS drop intentional, and who decides if it is?

[finite peak]

Even in the master collection I have no slow down issues on integral

[pure radish]

i play all the versions bro

its not that deep

its just a game

[finite peak]

That slow down video you showed me isn’t in the integral version

I just tried it

[haughty iron]

That is the USA version

[finite peak]

Exactly!

Integral>all other versions

[haughty iron]

OK so why is Integral any different, and why it should be?

[finite peak]

And displays original intent pretty well

You need to read about integral and its development

It would take hours to explain all that

[haughty iron]

OK so link me

I still don't get how a version that looks and runs better is "worse" but sure

[soft falcon]

And then there's me playing PAL vr missions for the bugged achievement even though it sucks lol

[haughty iron]

Link me

[finite peak]

Based

[soft falcon]

[haughty iron]

Because so far, DuckStation looks and runs the best

That's the gist of it

DuckStation is the best currently

[soft falcon]

55 percent done 😩

[finite peak]

Like I said, do so more research

Integral is the definitive version of the game

Period

[soft falcon]

Unless you don't like reading Japanese item descriptions

[haughty iron]

I can already emulate Integral on DuckStation, and the GOG shit port is Integral

What's so different about emulating it outside of DuckStation:

?

[finite peak]

Oh that, that’s just preferences

[kindred chasm]

GoG isn't integral

[finite peak]

I like swanstation just because its better duckstation

[kindred chasm]

It's just a whole other version

[haughty iron]

GOG is based on PC Integral 2000

[finite peak]

God please don’t bring the PC port into this lol

[haughty iron]

Why?

I am being literal and objective

[finite peak]

It’s……..bad

[haughty iron]

I will repeat this

[finite peak]

And……neither of you are right or wrong

[soft falcon]

Pc port is its own can of worms really

[haughty iron]

GOG is based on 2000 Integral PC

[finite peak]

You just made this more complicated

For no reason!

Curse you

[haughty iron]

I am just stating a fact

[haughty iron]

This is factual.

There is no debate about this statement.

[soft falcon]

This seems like It's getting needlessly combative

Master collection just tries to be as authentic as possible for the most part. If you want enhancements use a separate emulator or fiddle with the pc port.

Each method has some merit

[haughty iron]

I actually took the time to ask what is the merit and got basically no responses though

WHY

[pure radish]

ur arguing with mr default, big mistake

[soft falcon]

Just above that it said it largely fixed slowdown on top of the other enhancements integral made

[haughty iron]

So, asking why 1 version is better is arguing and I should shut the fuck up

I see

[finite peak]

It fixed slow downs, has alternate camera angles, a custom easy mode with an infinite ammo mp5, an extra custom for meryl, a developers commentary, an alternate round mode that changes the layout of the game, and a first person shooting mode, the VR disc came with the game, the way you unlock gray fox is different since it came with the game you have to do a big boss run to unlock him

[haughty iron]

Does it feature English item/weapon descriptions?

[soft falcon]

The last point unfortunately means it's easiest to get the achievement with pal special missions lol

Rip

[finite peak]

Guess I don’t care cuz I don’t need it at this point lol

I’ve played this game too much to care

[haughty iron]

But I do, because me and most of my friends do

Because I am trying to get them into this game

[finite peak]

Alright well for a first run….maybe

[haughty iron]

Japanese item descriptions are a big no-no

[finite peak]

But heres the thing

[haughty iron]

What am I supposed to tell them?

[finite peak]

You can call nastasha!

[soft falcon]

To be fair, if you're playing it casually you can just listen to the codec descriptions

[finite peak]

Tell them to call nastasha!

She literally tells you what every item is and what it does

[haughty iron]

Most people want to just read the item descriptions through the L2/R2 menus and be done with it. I cannot reccomend a version where I personally tell them to call some NPC to tell them what to do with each item/weapon

This is ridiculous

[finite peak]

Also, if you’re trying to get a new comer to play metal gear solid? Just tell them to play Twin Snakes or MGS3

[haughty iron]

TTS sucks

I am not telling them to play TTS

USA MGS1 is the way to go

[finite peak]

Then enjoy them never playing lol

That’s cool

[haughty iron]

No, it's just USA MGS1

on DuckStation

[finite peak]

They’ll probably hate mgs and wonder why people care lol

[haughty iron]

Because that is the best version

[soft falcon]

I would probably just spend time discussing it with a friend who wants to play it rather than veterans on a modding server who've made up their minds

[finite peak]

All I know is twin snakes is always a better game just for gameplay

[haughty iron]

Ewww

[soft falcon]

It was my first metal gear after all and it got me pretty hooked anyways lol

[kindred chasm]

The us version has achievement fixed

[finite peak]

Playing the original is like deciphering the heiroglyphics in an ancient egyptian tomb to people who didn’t grow up with it

[soft falcon]

And then later I did the rest and enjoyed it too

[finite peak]

Twin Snakes could have come out yesterday

It translates better with all the new kids

[soft falcon]

Ah was that a recent patch?

Either way it's a bit late to swap rip lol

[kindred chasm]

Yeah. It was the "minor" change in question

[keen wharf]

I should say, I don't get any more input lag when playing in windowed mode compared to fullscreen.

[finite peak]

I didn’t play the US version, it had an achievement problem?

[keen wharf]

but the profile can help with frame stability

exclusive fullscreen's input latency is terrible

[soft falcon]

The achievement for beating all of vr missions was bugged on usa

[finite peak]

Hey Smash!

[keen wharf]

in windowed mode is managable

hello there

[finite peak]

Would you mind testing one other thing for me?

[keen wharf]

There is still some input lag but that would be from the emulation and application itself, at that point if you want the least amount of input latency then the best solution is to get a CRT TV and a PS1 lol

[keen wharf]

also sure

[finite peak]

So you can only use low input or chill but not both, so lets try this

[keen wharf]

don't use low input at all

it fucks the audio up

I tested it, the first thing actually when I got the game

it screws the audio and makes the FPS worse

[finite peak]

Wait hear me out!

Dont jump the gun lol

Just I want to try something lol

[keen wharf]

yeah sure

[finite peak]

Set your monitor to 60 hz and try using that mode

Tell me how it plays

[keen wharf]

testing it in borderless windowed, right?

[finite peak]

yessir

Always

Fullscreen just doesnt work on anything

[kindred chasm]

Getting 100% VR clears on US VR Disc doesn't unlock Practice Makes Perfect. That was the bug in question

[keen wharf]

same result as with 165hz, Anti Lag just hates this game lol

hold on I'll share a recording

[finite peak]

Ouch, I played integral so I didn’t have that issue

[finite peak]

Uh…..no lol

Set it to 60hz lol

[kindred chasm]

Integral's 100% VR Clear is tied behind Big Boss rank so it was either that or pal version

[finite peak]

Or wait control group sorry

[keen wharf]

I did

set my monitor to 60hz then tested Radeon Anti lag

just mentioned it's the same result regardless of the monitor's refresh rate

[finite peak]

OH i misread that, apologies

Reading is fundamental lol

Alright cool, it was worth a shot, appreciate it!

[keen wharf]

here's the recording it's kind of funny

[finite peak]

I just put the documentation on the mod, installing a profile for an individual game turned out to be more complicated than just setting the options

[keen wharf]

no problem

[finite peak]

Gawd! That’s bad lol

[keen wharf]

Going back on this. Is this still an issue?

I heard some claims it was supposedly fixed in a patch

[finite peak]

Thats what he was saying, they just patched it

I didn’t run into this because I was playing the integral version

[tribal acorn]

what crt filter is this

[keen wharf]

CRT_Yeetron

but I'm also using Cathode shader for the colours

and the psx_dither shader

Cathode and psx dither I got from Mr_Default's mod

CRT_Yeetron from when installing reshade

[finite peak]

Oh so you just swapped Fast with Yeetron and removed the scanlines? Not a bad look

[keen wharf]

PSX Dither shader is not exactly the original game's dithering but it does have a nice subtle effect

[keen wharf]

scanlines are still there but a bit more subtle

Also when using yeetron make sure this is the resolution in the shader settings

[finite peak]

I just don't like how yeetron draws it's lines, reminds me too much of Zenith tvs

I know it's personal preference though

CRTs were just so different lol

why did I type RCA at first? lol

[keen wharf]

lmao

[pure radish]

https://github.com/nuggslet/MGSM2Fix/releases/tag/v0.6

now to close the million things i have open

[keen wharf]

Get some needed rest

you deserve it

[woeful flare]

i know the decompilation going on rn uses the integral version as a base

i can imagine when a PC port of that is out, there'll be a hack with english item descriptions

and then you can use your copies from the master collection for it, like how the mario 64 and zelda: ocarina of time pc ports need a rom and all that

[soft falcon]

If a decompolation is made, maybe they could have first person shooting like twin snakes has lol

If it doesn't break the game wide open :^)

I know integral has first person mode but it's a little different

[woeful flare]

i can imagine a lot will be possible once it's done

i know someone in that discord just made a mod for more than three elevator buttons

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/421367125756608532/1176669332151992430/buttons.mp4

but yea, the main executables are done, while the "overlays" (basically, what contains stages and code to load stages, if i got that right) are still in progress

you can keep up with progress here https://github.com/FoxdieTeam/mgs_reversing/

it also contains a discord link

[pure radish]

overlays are prob most of the game i dunno

on a very famous n64 game that leaked recently that was the case

[woeful flare]

wait which one

[pure radish]

dino planet

anyway i learned more than i'd like about x86 and x64 calling convention in the last weeks and now i want to put my head in a furnace

also

all of the squirrel scripts in the bonus content

have 0 indentation

all of them are like this

thank fuck they didn't do that with mgs1

"tabs? spaces? fuck it, neither"

[kindred chasm]

Ran into an issue with bonus content m2fix. Couldn't read the .asi folder. Will check mgs1 if it occurs again. I am on steam deck if that matters

Mgs1 works, so it's just the bonus games

Will slap a screenshot of the error in a moment.

I didn't cut it off, that's how it looked

Game works but the .asi isn't loading so the game appears unchanged to me. But v0.6 does work proper on 1

[keen sky]

because I don't think theres enough arguments here i'm gonna say pal mgs1 is fine and ya'll are being dramatic about it. if you can play games at 30fps then 25fps really isn't that hard

but nice work all on all the progress and mods and stuff 🙂

[haughty iron]

But the question is, why play at 25 FPS + input lag when you can play at 30, without input lag?

Also, on DuckStation for example, you can force 30 FPS on the PAL version of the game

The MC does not offer that option

So it's inherently inferior

[meager yacht]

I read that in Liquid's voice, lol 😆

[haughty iron]

Lol that wasn't intentional on my end

[keen wharf]

I grew up with 50hz but now it's kind of hard to go back to it lol.
It's not necessarily hard for me to adjust to lower framerates, but it's more so that I'm used to the same game with a higher framerate. Also with MGS1, game actually is slower at 50hz.

[haughty iron]

I grew up with 50Hz too but since I now have the option to play the superior version, that's what I'm gonna go for

I was playing Zelda OoT at 17 FPS

Because muh Europe

Now if I wanna play the N64 version I'll just go for the native unofficial PC port that runs at 60 FPS

[keen wharf]

I'm fine with playing that at 20FPS, the higher framerates are interpolated and don't really give any benefit in input latency.
At most I'll probably just increase it to 30 for a smoother image

[haughty iron]

But the PC port isn't just interpolation

It's real 60 FPS

Anyway this is an MGS1 channel

[keen wharf]

It's frame interpolation, it's stated even by the devs themselves. Game logic still runs at 20fps, the higher framerates are only a visual upgrade.
You can look up more on your own if you're curious so we don't go too offtopic here

[haughty iron]

I see, fair enough. It still feels and runs better

Tbh I'm playing the 3DS remake at 30 FPS and waiting for the 60 FPS hack on that one

Going back to MGS1, what I said before is basically that since you get both versions in the MC there's no reason to play at 25

[finite peak]

Alright I’m gonna be the “ACKTWALLY” guy. My buddy is on the decomp team for that game and it’s not interpolation as in inserting black frames. It’s actual frame interpolation which yes doesn’t change input lag, but it also doesn’t negatively affect it either. So there’s no real reason not to run it at a higher framerate

Wait a second…..I need to ask him about that!

[haughty iron]

Isn't the remake at an actual 30?

[keen wharf]

Lol

Well the only reason to not play at a higher framerate would be some bugged animations but they might have been fixed

[finite peak]

No I mean I need to ask him about inserting it into this emulator!

Because real interpolation doesn’t affect input AND it wouldn’t break the game like a real framrate change would

[haughty iron]

You mean... Interpolate MGS1 at 60?

[finite peak]

Exactly!

[haughty iron]

Damn that would be nice

And smooth

[finite peak]

That could work because if you use the squirrel injector for real interpolation you could unlock the framerate without negative effects

[haughty iron]

That would be beyond amazing

[finite peak]

I need to do some testing, beb

brb*

[keen wharf]

By remake you mean 3DS?

[haughty iron]

Yes

I know it runs at 30

[keen wharf]

It does run at 30fps yes

[haughty iron]

I don't know if it's interpolation

Or real 30

[keen wharf]

It's real 30fps most likely

And there are bugs introduced here that might be the result of that

[haughty iron]

I see. There is a 60 FPS hack but it's bad

[keen wharf]

Mainly Link spinning in place when a door opens and the analog stick roll from a high place not always working

Also to go "ackshally" here, it's not quite a remake since it's still the original game's code

[haughty iron]

I know but I still consider it a remake rather than a remaster

[keen wharf]

When it comes to frame interpolation, it is nice but I'll probably not go too high with the framerate since a 20 or 30fps input response in 165hz would feel jarring to me lol

[pure radish]

its working for me, did you use the d3d11.dll in the bonus content zip?

the asi loader is different (again because 32bit vs 64bit)

here's a quick n dirty script to use the debugger eval() feature

can type e.g.:
return g_emu_task.setRunSpeed(1.5);

[finite peak]

Hey nuggs, I know this isn't top priority but some people want the whole "unlocked" frame rates so this is my buddies code he used in the decomp for OOT:

https://github.com/HarbourMasters/Shipwright/blob/c3ae829370d701e1bd48c78b296b2752909f180f/soh/soh/frame_interpolation.cpp#L528

I have no idea if that's something that can be implemented on an emulator level or not because just by looking at it, it seems like it relies on source manipulation, however I figured if anyone might find a way to implement it, it would be you

the way he explained it is this,
its native interpolation so we arent just taking the 2 images and visually determining the frames between, rather we use the vertices/matrices themselves to determine the visual frame
thats to prevent smudges

[past sonnet]

The only reason not to play at 60hz is for special missions if you want that photograph session with naomi 😛

[shrewd basalt]

Unable to load MGSM2Fix.asi. Error: 126

[kindred chasm]

I dumped the whole thing in the folder if that mattered, the bonus content one

[soft falcon]

You could make a whole scene about liquid being swanstation, solid being MC and solidus being the pc port

Like liquid being pissed he's not official like how fans complain about MC. Solid getting steadily stronger through modding enough to challenge liquid despite being "inferior" and solidus just kinda being the rogue element that says he's superior in his own way

[soft falcon]

Ye thing

[soft falcon]

"Why are you still here when Konami continues to betray you?"

[pure radish]

ah, one moment

@shrewd basalt @kindred chasm can you guys try this?

[shrewd basalt]

I think it works because i have enabled skip warnings and it skips, thanks

[kindred chasm]

About to try it out hang on

[pure radish]

i'll rerelease 0.6 if that's all that's needed

[kindred chasm]

6.9 update hype

[pure radish]

0.6000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001

havent changed any code just a build option lol

[haughty iron]

What about DuckStation

[kindred chasm]

New.asi file worked

[pure radish]

awesome

pushed through to https://github.com/nuggslet/MGSM2Fix/releases/tag/v0.6

[kindred chasm]

Though i wish the dot net matrix color was toned down it's way green

What was wrong with the original file

[pure radish]

it was linked against a DLL version of the visual C++ runtime library, which depended on you having it installed separately on your system

now it includes an entire copy

[kindred chasm]

Thats a small library

[pure radish]

https://github.com/nuggslet/MGSM2Fix/commit/4ed6ea5f4e329c580b3bd2e2f52d7f0115b47cf2 thats all that needed to change

i wouldn't have noticed because having visual studio installed guarantees i have them installed

[kindred chasm]

Meanwhile theres me playing on linux like a dummy

[shrewd basalt]

if anyone doesn't like using steam input to swap rigth and left joystick for analog on mgs1 they maybe can try this: https://github.com/KrossX/Durazno

[kindred chasm]

That won't work

As of right now, game doesn't read xinput but rather steam api game actions

Except for joysticks ig idk

[shrewd basalt]

ah ok

sorry

[pure radish]

even the joystick is a game action

[kindred chasm]

Wow

They must really hate 1

So until the emu's modified in a way it can take other controller inputs we're stuck with using steam input

Oh speaking of, couldn't you add a controller profile too? EmuDeck is a thing for steam deck and some of it's emus come with custom built presets

Idk if that'd be worth the trouble tho

[pure radish]

it's on my list to rework the input

the version in 0.5 and 0.6 is just the crudest and easiest way to get analog working

[haughty iron]

User — Today at 6:12 PM
I'll be interested if they ever add PGXP. that is my main selling point personally

😔

[glossy thorn]

A fellow screen protector keeper

[haughty iron]

Serious question. Can we de-censor Johnny in the USA version?

Yes I understand that the JP version has him wear his boxers, but it's so lame that they censored that in the USA version

[pure radish]

[haughty iron]

Sad

Love how KONAMI says they preserved everything, even the "old stuff"

and then they censor Johnny

[pure radish]

ive split up the m2fix source a bit as it was getting a bit unwieldy all being in dllmain.cpp lol

[pure radish]

looks like it would be very easy to open web pages via the mod, lets not do that

they've bound the steam webview api to squirrel

[keen sky]

I'd be surprised if so, unless someone finds a way to replace the USA ISO which is probably possible.

[haughty iron]

I just wish we could replace the bad USA iso with the good one

[keen sky]

I mean you can unpack the files, replace the ISO, then repack it.

Just don't know if it would work

[woeful flare]

well um

it's likely that it's an on-the-fly patch somewhere in here

soooooo someone could just block it out or something

i don't think it's a "bad iso"

and even then it's not even an iso, it's a bin file

[keen sky]

Well it all depends. if an iso exists with the underwear for the US and the eu they may have just used that

[pure radish]

i just turned off all the patches and i can see his derrière

however doing so has also unlocked every steam achievement

[kindred chasm]

Congrats on clearing the game with Fox rank boss, we're all proud of you

[pure radish]

the things I have seen...

so problem solved, its a patch they apply

[kindred chasm]

So it's not even an iso thing, it's the patch that adds the underwear?

[pure radish]

yus

[kindred chasm]

Wonder how much modding can be done to the actual game with this method

[pure radish]

lots

those ones you see as files aren't even all the patches

[kindred chasm]

Meryl nude mod inc

[pure radish]

they're just the ones that were big enough to dump into separate files

[kindred chasm]

Would it be possible to force the pal games run in NTSC?

Through the patch i mean

[pure radish]

probably, emu has to support both already

[woeful flare]

oh, interesting

[pure radish]

it should be possible to develop a system to exclude certain patches or add more via the mod

they don't all have names tho and even when they do they're not particularly helpful

it would take a lotta people a long time to figure out what they all individually do kek

steam achievement manager to the rescue, for me

i think i use this more often to clear my achievements than cheat them

what are the patches called "shinrei" for

translates as "soul"? is this a sick joke

[kindred chasm]

The ghost pics?

[pure radish]

what does buttocks translate as

[woeful flare]

yup those are the ghost pics

as for the butt... that might be more complicated LOL

[keen sky]

well that sounds like the underwear one to me 😛

but also dang i'm actually surprised the underwear isn't in the iso. that means it was a real intentional choice

which is obvious in hindsight

the patches unlocking steam achievements makes sense to some extent. as they need something outside the ps1 emulation to do it

[sick osprey]

Honestly the underwear makes more sense.

[cerulean bough]

Yea if youre having stomach issues, no way youre going commando

[plush coyote]

If I remember correctly, aren't the patches on the fly memory patches? It's how they're doing the button prompts replacements as well

[red cradle]

#1168512986491670548 message yes, so as EchoCat mentions here, "The original roms are basically untouched, except for some edits to make them unplayable by themselves. all changes are being injected through emulation.". The ideal way to mod the game is also using this injection method hopefully

before that I always thought they just put so many roms just with the changes of button prompts lol

[dawn flare]

I wonder if we can use those patches to replace the item descriptions in Integral

[red cradle]

seems like we don't really need to unpack & repack the files and replace the ISO to achieve modding huh?

[kindred chasm]

I'd like this mod to be the first mod in all honesty, make it be a proof of concept what this discovery can bring about!

[pure radish]

im not sure what we discovered

other than they patched his arse

somebody was paid money to do that

[kindred chasm]

And now some volunteer took his underwear for science for free

[soft falcon]

That could be pretty smart tbh

Since we know they can replace text already

[kindred chasm]

If that's possible then integral could be a makeshift solution to turning pal games into NTSC

I just wish i knew how to do some of the stuff nuggs is doing

[pure radish]

i came up with some new tech for hooking squirrel functions

hoping this will work for redirecting asset loads

[red cradle]

It's kinda like Luma LayeredFS game patching method on 3DS

[kindred chasm]

Crouch walk for mgs1 pog?

[red cradle]

I like that method because it can apply patch on physical cartridge too

[finite peak]

For crude its damn good, just have higher priorities since it’s almost 1 for 1 functional now right?

[finite peak]

Mine is decensored in the MC, that’s interesting.

[finite peak]

This…..explains a lot actually

Wait a minute! Can we restore the original ghost pics just by deleting those shinrei patches?

That would be a good proof of concept!

[pure radish]

i mean, yeah but we already have a proof of concept

i turned off all the patches

lol

[red cradle]

hey this method can be use on translating the game too

[kindred chasm]

Wait they changed the ghosts?

I thought that meant they added some not replaced them

[red cradle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/metalgearsolid/comments/182vhcu/why_did_they_change_yoji_shinkawas_ghost_in_mgs1/ yeah

[kindred chasm]

Time for the ghost of dickbutt to haunt shadow moses

[red cradle]

Kojima's ghost is still in the game tho, I assume they got the permission from him somehow

[kindred chasm]

I think his permission is a given, at the end of the day it's still his baby

Besides I think the only person that had actual beef with him in Konami is gone

[soft falcon]

It was a company wide thing to have beef with kojima

Since he was going hopelessly over budget in mgs5

[kindred chasm]

I meant the one that REALLY fucked Kojima over, like barring him from attending the game awards show and such.

[haughty iron]

The USA version?

https://steamcommunity.com/app/2131630/discussions/0/3875969933559346381/

How???

[pure radish]

when i disabled the patches there wasn't even a blur

:S

[haughty iron]

What patches?

Hm I just wanted the blur

That's how the original game was

Now he's just wearing boxers

Lame as fuck

[kindred chasm]

Inside the alldata.bin that contains the iso of the game, as well as patches. One of those patches gives Johnny boxers apparently

[haughty iron]

Why on earth would they change that now?

I thought we were trying to preserve the games in their original state

And yeah that's nitpicking but there's so many things wrong with this collection at this point

So yes I'm gonna complain about it

[kindred chasm]

I'd imagine laws about nudity. Japan def not but I'd imagine somewhere like China would have an issue with it.

Whatever the case, the iso that's inside the all data is still uncensored. It's the patch that's responsible for the changes. It's also how they changed some of the ghosts too

[pure radish]

is there any retail version of the game where there's no censor at all?

[red cradle]

funny you talk about China, steam version is region locked in China lol

[pure radish]

i seem to remember a blur on the european version but i just disabled the patches and i don't have one

johnny's ass crack is getting some air time in this chat, bloody hell

[finite peak]

I wasn’t going to say anything…..

But yeah it’s a lil sus how much talk there is about johnnys ass lol

[red cradle]

Comes to think of it, you kinda made a mod that even remove blur

[haughty iron]

Lol obviously it's not about the ass. It's about leaving works of art in their original state

[finite peak]

All I see is a lot of chat about johnnys ass

[haughty iron]

I hate censorship

[finite peak]

Like 3 pages of it rofl

[haughty iron]

Well did they censor anything else?

I saw a guy complaining about blood effects missing in the German version

Idk if that's the case in the USA version

[finite peak]

i have to say it now….technically it was censored in the first place

[pure radish]

nah that's common in german versions of games afaik

[red cradle]

Well I mean, I get it player want to play the game in original content form

[haughty iron]

https://www.reddit.com/r/metalgearsolid/s/drWoZUpVog

[haughty iron]

Technically that is true, but I feel the pixelation added some charm to it

[red cradle]

So it's a fair talk that a mod that restore it

[haughty iron]

He claims that the original German version was not censored like that

[finite peak]

I’m not saying it’s not, I’m just pointing out the hilarious fact we’re a group of dudes all talking about wanting to see johnnys ass lol

[haughty iron]

I want to see the pixelation

Lol

But yeah

I get it

[red cradle]

Oh I thought you complain about too much talk about it lol

[haughty iron]

From an outsider's perspective that's what it seems like

Basically I want the original USA ROM

From 1998

No changes

[finite peak]

Some rando is gonna read this and think Kojima makes everyone a homo

[haughty iron]

No Johnny changes, no blood changes, no ghost changes

That was my point

[finite peak]

“Did you rike it?”

[haughty iron]

Lmao

[dusty radish]

of course not, he made vamp bisexual

[finite peak]

OK fair enough

[dusty radish]

[finite peak]

Kojima makes everyone Bi!

[red cradle]

but no matter what, the injection method to mod MGS1 is really interesting

[dusty radish]

we are bi-mond dogs

[haughty iron]

So they forced certain patches on the ROM to censor it?

[finite peak]

Double points because it’s Bowie

[dusty radish]

[finite peak]

Yeah all those are patch files the game sends to the iso since they can’t change the iso itself, which isn’t entirely true I just don’t think they were smart enough to so they did this instead

[pure radish]

its not that they werent smart enough

as this is more work lol

they wanted a more dynamic system on purpose - buttons etc

[finite peak]

I work for the government so maybe I’m just too used to idiots purposefully doing things that are more work cuz they aren’t smart enough to use better methods

[haughty iron]

Yeah I don't think KONAMI does not have any smart engineers hired

I just think they didn't have time and money to spend on this

They didn't want to

[finite peak]

But this does make sense, especially since it’s a multi platform release

[haughty iron]

Basically they wanted to get the collection out the door as fast as possible, 1 day before the Delta Microsoft showcase

If you remember, the collection came out, and exactly 24 hours later, the gameplay trailer for Delta dropped

That cannot be a coincidence

[finite peak]

But there’s also the fact that this is the only one that doesn’t run native. I wonder if this is another case where they lost the source code for the original game.

[haughty iron]

Oh it's pretty much evident they lost the source code because the 2020 GOG version (that is based on the 2000 PC port) had to reverse engineer it to apply certain fixes to it

That was before modders fixed a lot of its issues (not all)

The port still sucks btw

[finite peak]

wait a second…..OK nuggs here’s a question for ya, if we have the source code for metal gear solid, is there anyway we could implement it to run native on here?

Theoretically speaking of course

[haughty iron]

https://github.com/FoxdieTeam/mgs_reversing

There's this project

Similar to OoT and SM64

[finite peak]

Yeah that’s what I was referring to

[haughty iron]

Yeah it seems like that if this project gets completed, we will be able to truly remaster the game

Just like OoT and SM64, Majora's Mask too

[pure radish]

if you're asking would it be possible to reuse this launcher then yeah

[finite peak]

Now THAT would be the ultimate work around

Just replace this whole mess altogether

[haughty iron]

Yep

[finite peak]

Unfortunately there’s still the “muhcheivements” guys

[pure radish]

it's not really that much of a mess though

like it's really not bad atm

[haughty iron]

We're talking about 60 FPS, 21:9 support potentially, no texture wobbling, 4K+ resolution

[finite peak]

No the thing is for guys like me that don’t do upscaling and play integral it’s great

[pure radish]

texture wobbling is an iconic part of the game tbh

[haughty iron]

Some people don't like it

I don't mind it, I actually kinda like it

[finite peak]

Yeah, thats the thing, modern games want everything “fixed” like the decomp port of OOT

[pure radish]

it's some of the reason I'm so fond of the game, it makes cutscenes very eerie

[haughty iron]

Yeah but it's technically not part of the game itself, it's because it's on the PSX

GOG version has zero wobbling for example

[finite peak]

I personally hate upscaling because of what it does to the look

[soft falcon]

Doesn't pgxp not behave super well on mgs1 since it tried to naturally compensate for it on ps1?

[finite peak]

Everything looks like plastic when you upscale it

[haughty iron]

That's fair, but I like setting the resolution to 9x

The original game look is so bad on a 4K monitor because 240p gets stretched essentially

So I'm looking at individual pixels

[soft falcon]

Maybe a compromise could be 2x resolution so it would be on a similar level to gamecube or dreamcast resolution

[haughty iron]

I want that 9x

[finite peak]

Thats what the CRT filter is for

Obviously it looks bad with no filters

You have to replicate the CRT

[pure radish]

I'm not against people having options to do whatever they want but these things shouldn't be defaults

[haughty iron]

It's still a 240p image on a 4K monitor though

[pure radish]

I'm researching internal res boost but with no intention to use it myself

[haughty iron]

The resolution difference is so large, that a filter cannot fully compensate for it imo

[finite peak]

As long as it looks as good as the actual 4 CRTs I own, I don’t care

[haughty iron]

Yeah I guess that is subjective but I can't play without the 9x res personally

[finite peak]

I just matched it to my phillips so I’m good

Like I have my phillips sitting right next to my LG C2

LG C2 is just much bigger lol

[haughty iron]

Yeah fair

[finite peak]

I really hate upscaling from the 32bit era and down

Anything from Dreamcast and onward though, bring on the 4k!

[haughty iron]

I like good upscaling

There's good and bad

Aka no AI

[finite peak]

I think that’s good just because of how many people want it

[haughty iron]

And no raw upscaling without any filtering

[finite peak]

I love AI 4k texture packs with scanlines

It adds jaggies but the textures look superb

[haughty iron]

Usually AI packs need some hand correction

[finite peak]

without scalines they look, off

[haughty iron]

Take MGS3 for example

The new AI Slop pack

Some stuff looks great

[finite peak]

Yeah its great!

[haughty iron]

Other stuff looks really bad, like floor textures

[finite peak]

Oh no, all of it looks great if you add scalines

Scanline*

Including the floor textures

Those old textures were definitely made with scanlines in mind

Since they knew it was gonna be on CRTs

[haughty iron]

I personally wouldn't want to use scanlines on MGS3, it's too new for that imo

[finite peak]

I say just try it and if you don’t like it, turn it off

Or wait for the full reskin mod

That’s coming

[pure radish]

yo half life 2 with scanlines

[haughty iron]

Full reskin mod?

[finite peak]

Yeah hold up

https://discord.com/channels/1116856754920226876/1170917624922771486