Modding the MGS1 emulator

[fringe shore]

I can do basic if-then type of things but that’s about as far as my coding goes 😂

Mr default if you’re happy with my settings feel free post

[finite peak]

Trying em all out now, I just so happen to have a save in the torture room so Im about to get the psg1 back

Thats the ultimate test

[fringe shore]

Nice!

[chrome path]

Fucking rad.

[finite peak]

I knew if anyone would have a solution with a steam profile itd be you though lol

[fringe shore]

I had to become an expert not of my own free will 😂 steam input is awesome but sometimes the stupid little things it does makes me want to yeet myself. Add a new action set? Np we’ll just mess up all of your actions layers for fun everytime.

[kindred chasm]

Spoopy is the true patriot this server needs. Solved our analog woes within a few hours. As well as nuggs making it possible to play with our sticks

[fringe shore]

I seriously considered trying to figure out how to just fix the controls in the game itself for mgs2 but i think that’s alittle beyond my skill set. Happy I could help!

[finite peak]

OK my suspicions were right

I’m going to leave the scaling to 99 instead of 96

Psg1 movement is nerfed if you don’t do that

Other than that though, good call on the square gate

[pure radish]

99% seems fine for me too

[fringe shore]

99 causes it to reverse for me

Just tested again

[pure radish]

with the anti-deadzone thing?

[finite peak]

naw anti deadzone is cranked to max

that works

huh, that's weird

[kindred chasm]

I'll test it myself. I have a deck, ds3-5

[pure radish]

ahh there it reversed for me at 99%

[finite peak]

really?

[soft falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/archer-sterling-archer-hey-phrasing-phrasing-gif-4987863

[pure radish]

lol we're so close

[finite peak]

alright so 96 is yalls threshold then?

[kindred chasm]

I meant what I said. We're all Snake Beaters

[finite peak]

if so I'll leave it at 96, it's not THAT bad

just slight nerf, still infinitely better than being stuck with that dumb dpad only movement

[kindred chasm]

You can fine adjust using triangle to increase by 1 point

[fringe shore]

Same settings, 97 works it seems too

I skipped that one after 98 lmao

I have a dualsense as well I’m using

[finite peak]

we'll just leave it at 96 to be safe

it's not THAT important

besides, I just use the analog for the fast sweep and then the dpad for the adjustment

which is you know, how it's supposed to work lol

[fringe shore]

97 scale and 97 max deadzone seem to be working if you want to test alittle more

[finite peak]

the only thing that might be slightly impeded is the fight with the hind

[fringe shore]

But yea I agree not the worst compromise

[finite peak]

alright I'll give it a shot with 97 then

[pure radish]

I do need to fix it for player 2

but shouldnt be too difficult

[fringe shore]

Loading it up on steam deck to check as well

[finite peak]

I don't understand why

you don't even change it with steam input

it's just a soft set to player 2

that doesn't even make sense

[pure radish]

it does make sense

my fix is nothing to do with steam input

im just always assigning the stick values to player one

[finite peak]

got it, I still say using a dpad on mantis isn't that big a deal

but yeah, if you can get it, that's cool too

so I set it to 97 and it seems pretty good

it's pretty much analog movement as it needs to be

I don't think most people will notice or care as much as my neurotic self

[kindred chasm]

Dumb question but can't you clone stick settings to p2 or does it not work like that

[pure radish]

its nothing to do with the stick settings really

my thing is just not listening to the player setting

this is a more intrusive fix than the previous stuff, i'm adding new code that is actually missing from the game

but it shouldnt be much effort

[soft falcon]

So can you just copy paste it for player 2 then?

[fringe shore]

Lmao guess we should have checked the menu 😂

[kindred chasm]

Looking like a slot machine

Since R3 isn't used for anything, how about setting up 2 profiles? 1 for digital, 2 for analog fix mode

And have R3 be our analog button

[fringe shore]

This is just the antideadzone

I’m looking at the max value before it does this now

But other than that works on steam deck 👍

[finite peak]

That’s not happening on mine lol

[pure radish]

did you enable analog in the ini

[kindred chasm]

Nuggs don't take down the prerelease i wanna get home and enjoy mgs1 as it should be

[pure radish]

i mean its just gonna be replaced with a proper release lol

[kindred chasm]

Ik lmao

Or wait the same page for the prerelease is all versions past and future?

Github still confuses me

[fringe shore]

Ok so I think max anti deadzone should be 10000 @pure radish @finite peak

[kindred chasm]

Oh still experimenting?

[fringe shore]

Seems to stop scrolling around 15500 but it’s super sensitive on the menus

10000 seems fine

@kindred chasm just because I loaded it on SD and saw the menus going insane lol

[finite peak]

Aye Aye Capn! Setting to 10000!

[fringe shore]

97 is working well for me on the SD too

97 scale and 97 max deadzone as long as you don’t see any issues

[fringe shore]

This can be done in steam input with an action layer

[finite peak]

I’m confused, why are you asking about an analog button?

[fringe shore]

I don’t see the need personally but if they want to turn the analog back to directional it can be done pretty easily

[finite peak]

Its dumb though lol

Just use the dpad for dpad and analog stick for stick rofl

Use it like the damn playstation controller lol

[kindred chasm]

I'm aware I was suggesting that as a fix to the slot machine. But you already did it lmao

[finite peak]

Oh…my bad

[kindred chasm]

Speaking of, nuggs, is it possible to make gamepad controls be P2? As in steam input gamepad

[finite peak]

I misunderstood lol

You know what….

Like THAT you sob lol

I got a playstation at launch

So I had two dpad only controllers

But got the dualshocks later on

[fringe shore]

steam://controllerconfig/2131630/3087831370

done lol

[finite peak]

I actually bought the DS specifically for mgs

[fringe shore]

r3 for analog button

[finite peak]

Wait….why lol

[fringe shore]

Idk they asked 😂

Literally just took a minute

So why not

[finite peak]

If anyone touches that button after all the work we put in I hope a snake crawls in your bed!

[fringe shore]

Lol you don’t have to use it for the “official” post whoever is going to post it

And it’s not on by default

Default is analog on

[soft falcon]

Hot

[fringe shore]

Hmm maybe I should have kept the layer change notification on 🤔😂

[finite peak]

Rofl, yeah that MIGHT help

[fringe shore]

1 sec

[finite peak]

So irony, it actually makes the fight with the hind easier lol

I can do the fast left and right sweep and the diags have fine tuned movement

Wasn’t expecting it to control BETTER than the original but here we are….

[soft falcon]

Solidus

😏

[fringe shore]

Hmm notifications don’t seem to work on PC

so just don’t use it 😂

I wasn’t planning on posting anything official since I may not be able to keep up with any changes

So feel free to post your config as the official go to

[finite peak]

Naw its fine dude, I can take it from here

Appreciate the help!

[fringe shore]

Np!

[kindred chasm]

Notifications is actually buggy. I play wow with steam input all the time and 99% of the time the action layer change never comes up

[fringe shore]

Yea seems to work well on SD but pc is iffy

But it’s there for you if you want it!

[kindred chasm]

Even on deck it doesn't work

[finite peak]

Oh right, let me post the one with the updated settings

[kindred chasm]

I gave up trying to find out why lmao

[fringe shore]

Steam be steamin’

[finite peak]

steam://controllerconfig/2131630/3087846890

[soft falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-mgs2-solidus-gif-18607137

[finite peak]

Alright so I'm going to have to wrap this up in some kind of neat little package later

time to update the installer again but nuggs should I wait till you are done with that update for the P2 side?

[kindred chasm]

Dumb question default I still haven't tried it since then, does the installer work for deck?

[pure radish]

yeah should be ready soon

[finite peak]

OK cool, I'll just wait for that then and the "official" update

[finite peak]

No but now that most of the games major issues are finally fixed I can start working on a deck port

if only I had an amd card I could get this game fixed for everybody

[pure radish]

alright, think I got the P2 stuff

[finite peak]

alright, cool, just let me know when you post it, I gotta head to the store and then when I come back I'll write the installer and update the documentation

[pure radish]

https://github.com/nuggslet/MGSM2Fix/releases/tag/v0.4

[kindred chasm]

Will be sharing this on steam. What's the configuration name yall were going with?

Asking so getting this layout will be easy to grab for others unsure how steam input works

[pure radish]

i assume this is what you need

should be able to then view the config to share it

[kindred chasm]

I never used a link and putting it in a browser gives me no results. Where would I put that in?

[pure radish]

check your steam controller config

locally

it should be there

[kindred chasm]

I'll have to look at that at home then I never used links before lmao

[pure radish]

theres a few here

lol

i dunno which one is best tho

[kindred chasm]

I meant for link lmao but analog fix sounds obvious enough

[fringe shore]

The link should work as long as it’s on a pc where the game is installed

@finite peak might want to clean up that community page a bit 😂😅 my config has the R3 button for analog if that’s what you want

[pure radish]

he's giving people lots of options

if we upload every possible config, bound to be one that works

[fringe shore]

Config roulette!

[pure radish]

the one that gets most upvotes is the one we should use

[fringe shore]

Should just need one with 97 for scale and 97 max deadzone, 10000 anti deadzone and square. Should be universal

Sorry I was going back up and missed this, no it will apply to whatever controller is currently plugged in/connected

Actually that’s a good thing to note if you post a link on your git. The link may not work unless you have a controller currently attached/on. And game installed obv. But when you sort the community config by all control types it’ll just apply to whatever you’re currently using

[finite peak]

I….didn’t know that’s what is happening lol

I thought if you used the same name it would overwrite it ha

so like, how do you access your own community controller page?

[pure radish]

lol

[finite peak]

nvm I found it

cleaned it up lol

I've actually never had to do that before, and the strangest thing is, it's easier to do it with a pad than a mouse and keyboard?

don't really know how to wrap my head around that one

alright now it's time to get my whole 2 hours of sleep before work lol

totally worth it!

[pure radish]

god

[fringe shore]

FYI I posted one too, got rid of the R3. Apparently haptics were also enabled by default on the triggers I took that off. Biggest change was that I added 25 to the bottom of the dead zone. I found going left/right/up/down directly to be difficult

[pure radish]

at that point i'd be injecting caffeine into my eyeballs

[fringe shore]

Adding the dead zone seem to help

[pure radish]

ill try this one

[fringe shore]

Always drifted one way or another

[finite peak]

you keep having all these problems I'm not

yeah you should just keep configuring it then

you said you're using a ps5 controller though right?

[fringe shore]

Yes but it’ll work with anything

Unless you were RIGHT on the line snake always seemed to drift slightly

[pure radish]

ah steam takes a while to refresh it seems

[fringe shore]

But this doesn’t effect FPV

Might need to restart steam

[pure radish]

yup there's a steam client update anyway lol

[fringe shore]

Sorry I can’t help myself 😂

[finite peak]

"Sir did you try restarting the computer?"

Yeah the config isn't there

or wait

that's for the deck isn't it?

[fringe shore]

You enabled all control types under the page?

I’ll reboot my deck just in case lol

It’s posted under the ps5 config

[pure radish]

i just see "Analog Config" not "MGS1 Analog Config"

but either way it works great for me

[fringe shore]

I just rebooted if you want to try again

I deleted that one

Now

steam://controllerconfig/2131630/3087945618

Hopefully that’s right I copied from my phones photo

[finite peak]

oh that's why I couldn't find it

it was posted under a ps5 config

I didn't even know it was split up by device like that

no one uses other controllers on PC!

PC master race only knows xinput!

I guess I'll just delete mine then and post the link in the documentation for the installer

[pure radish]

yeah that worked

[fringe shore]

I have bigly hands and new new Xbox controllers are too small and they cramp my hand 😅😂

[finite peak]

this really doesn't play any differently for me but I'll take yalls word for it

I miss the duke...

[fringe shore]

I noticed it on both the steam deck and my Dualsense. It’s not MAJOR. but I’ve been running around the beginning area so maybe it’s more noticeable between the containers

Always leaning one way or another unless it was perfectly horizontal/vertical

[finite peak]

Weird, nothing like that on this end but hey, the more bugs you can iron out right?

[pure radish]

i wonder why all this controller config hackery was actually needed lol

what was the game doing without it

[fringe shore]

You can still post this one under yours if you want I don’t mind. I was just putting it out there to test the dead zone

Most people are using Xbox controls so it’ll probably be easier to find

[finite peak]

My working theory is it’s a bug due to the fact that its the playstation trying to translate direct steam input

I know that’s oversimplified but you get what I’m trying to say

[finite peak]

Alright, I’ll do that then, just trying to keep things as centralized as possible so people don’t get confused

[pure radish]

I'll link them from GitHub once things mature a bit more

seems like we still changing them lol

[finite peak]

Hey spoopy, I just came up with an idea for R3

[keen sky]

firstly this is amazing :).

But secondly, since this stops the analog stick working in the collection menu, one idea would be to make it so clicking the right stick in changes it back to normal left stick output (so digital emulation).

Will basically be the equivilant to enabling or disabling analog on the controller

[finite peak]

Can you make it into an auto fire for all the people who have trouble with the torture scene?

[keen sky]

my right stick idea is better 😛

but also its steam input so anyone can do it

[finite peak]

Naw, just use the dpad

Literally just navigate the menu with the dpad

And analog still works in all the viewing stuff

So we didn’t replace anything important

[keen sky]

as someone who has a younger friend who is allergic to using the dpad for any kind of movement I promise you it'll throw people off aha.

Like some people cannot deal with using the dpad for movement or menus its so weird to me.

All depends if you grew up with dpad movement or not

but like i said its steam input so who cares. someone will do it

and that includes my thought

[finite peak]

That sounds like a personal problem and they need to get over that lol

[keen sky]

you could argue that people just need to get gud during the torture sequence too 😛

[finite peak]

While I actually agree, tons of people are asking for it

Just browsing a few comments

[keen sky]

I'm somewhat joking. I'm sure for some its basically impossible

a friend i've known basically my entire life had never saved merryl up until he was wanting to platinum mgs1 in this collection

because it was too difficult

While i've never saved otacon

[finite peak]

Weak! So WEAK

[keen sky]

I KNOW!

[finite peak]

No really, I did the original euro extreme on sons of liberty where that bastard solidus chokes you for a solid minute

Now THATS hard

All other torture scenes in mg games are a joke next to that one

alright power nap time lol

[fringe shore]

So I actually have this on my mgs2 config (planning to release tomorrow!)

What I did though was make triangle + circle to auto fire

I can do that here too or make it r3

You still have that torture room save?

Just that way we can test to make sure the turbo is fast enough

I’m getting old and my button mashing days are behind me lol

[soft falcon]

But he'll know

[fringe shore]

steam://controllerconfig/2131630/3088046272

Config with turbo. Press B then Y

Bonus, after pressing A, this combo can be used to rapid fire through codecs as well

[viscid meadow]

i had trouble with the mgs1 torture scene the first time i ever played it, but once i got it down i never had any difficulty since

also i know a lot of people complain the one in peace walker is too hard, but that one never gave me any trouble

[pure radish]

wonder why it delays some pad inputs

lol

6 and 5 makes me think pal/ntsc ratios

[pure radish]

lol there's code to open a dialog box and let you pick where your savegame is saved

[fringe shore]

I remember when I was like 10 and I discovered you can still recover health for like 2 seconds after the torture ended. That was the game changer. I ran and got my older brother (he was way better at it then me at the time) and we were able to pass it for the first time

For Twin Snakes I discovered if I put the controller on my leg and lightly pressed A, the controller vibration would do all the work for me lol. But I could actually pass it if I tried then

[kindred chasm]

So this is the coveted autofire Ocelot spoke of

[finite peak]

I wonder if that has anything to do with the update Konami did to “improve save functionality”. I’ve noticed slight frame drops whenever the memory card is accessed in-game

[finite peak]

Now I might use that for skipping codec calls. That’s brilliant

[kindred chasm]

Encountered a minor issue. When changing versions of the game, the game hangs. Unsure if changing discs apply

[finite peak]

whoa, I just ran into a crazy issue, not sure if it has anything to do with the controller or not, but when I got to mantis, the game went beserk with the inputs

[soft falcon]

It's thematically fitting at least

[finite peak]

OK yeah I've definitely run into a nasty reproducable glitch on the mantis fight, I'm going to test it some more and see if it has anything to do with the analog input

Alright confirmed, analog mode on is completely and totally busted on the mantis fight

you have to disable analog mode entirely to get past it, not sure what's going on there

also another input bug that keeps happening is if you tap right or left rapidly it just goes into a hold run instead of an actual tap

[keen sky]

are these just in the mantis fight?

[finite peak]

but that happened even before we did anything so that's just an inherent problem in the emulator

[keen sky]

and is this when you're controller port 1 or 2 or both?

[finite peak]

it breaks immediately so can't really tell honestly

I mean as soon as meryl starts blasting your controller just dies completely

snake starts running to the right and all of your input is just, gone

you have to reset the game to get control back

[keen sky]

Yeah I just tested it myself

The second you're about to get the call not to kill meryl it just breaks

Only in the game mind. The stance menu still works etc

OK I forced my way through that part.

Using the dpad still means snakes trying to run up the whole time but I was able to get through it

Did the pause menu always say cmnder room?

Like spelt like that

[finite peak]

it broke to the point I couldn't even get anything to work at all

the only way I can get past it is to disable the analog mode in the ini completely

something to do with port 2 input maybe?

let me check something

yup, confirmed

it's something being passed off to the 2p input that's breaking it

because that is the first screen where you can connect a second controller

[keen sky]

I mean you can connect one anytime but its the first time the game looks for it

[finite peak]

that's what I mean, it's like the game is receiving some kind input to 2p before you even prompt it and it's foobaring everything

let me try something else

OK yeah, analog input is completely borked due to 2p for sure

I'm going to keep a save file there for testing

I never used the bandanna and the stealth much before cuz I thought they made the game boring but man, those things are like the best thing ever for bug testing

[finite peak]

So it works during the torture scene for sure, however I was thinking about the codec skip and was wondering if you could do the same thing for the A button and hit B and that causes it to hit A rapidly to get through the codecs so that even on the optional ones you wouldn't accidentally call someone again

also so you can let it press more rapidly since I know that you have to slow it down to evade ocelots torture detection, whereas the codec scenes can be skipped quicker if you configure it this way

[pure radish]

@finite peak do you have a save you can send me?

[finite peak]

I mean I have the save, I don't know how to send it to you though

can't remember where the saves are stored

was it that meta.bin file?

sorry my files are all over the place

[pure radish]

hmm, i think its in some steam cloud folder

i can try and send you a fix later

[keen sky]

Heres mine I think

[pure radish]

oh, ok

[keen sky]

from Steam\userdata\yourusernumber\2131630\remote

has saves for most of the game. the one saved at 3 hours I think is the right one.

But I did play the pal version so heads up for that

[finite peak]

There's mine on integral as well

it's good to know that folder though, thanks sammy!

[keen sky]

I assume you can only have one at a time.

No worries 🙂 I always forget where they are

wonder where it goes if steam cloud is off

[finite peak]

I knew which folder it was, but I have like 20 different numbers there and wasn't sure which one was actually that save file

[keen sky]

i've got like 245 folders there.......so I wasn't gonna trail and error through that

I hope saves work accross regions.

Since the collection does have slight differences with regions.

mainly just the order of the languages in the menu

[kindred chasm]

Before you mess with that:

ALL your MGS1 saves are in that folder. Back it up or lose your data for good

[keen sky]

oh yeah. I think they're all kept in one file

not confident in that though

[kindred chasm]

I am. I sent someone my files to help them get the bandana achievement

Which is somehow broken for them for some reason. Still didn't get after 5 attempts

[keen sky]

hmm darn.
May only work on some versions

[kindred chasm]

No, he'd have to use my save

And my save I got my bandana achievement

US, UK, JP, VR, integral, ALL MGS1 save files are in there. Just remember that before you mess with it

How MGS1 works is that each version of the game are ROMs. Which is why the game is so damn massive if you have all the versions. That's why saves work only for their respective versions unlike 2 and 3

[keen sky]

I know I meant that vr missions achievement was broken day 1 on the US version. so this could be another example of that.

but if not nevermind

[kindred chasm]

Oh

It's not, they've done it in multiple versions. I don't know what it is

They even got the big boss achievement too. I don't know what's going on but I think they resorted to SAM to unlocking that particular one

[finite peak]

That’s a steam deck issue. I’m on PC and have used alt F4 a bajillion times and haven’t had any issues since day 1

[finite peak]

And the one I uploaded is NTSC in case the other one doesn’t work

[keen sky]

they mean you've only got one file that holds all your saves so back it up before overwriting it or anything

[pure radish]

fixed it

multitasking while watching F1 lol

[finite peak]

I mean…I’m technically working while bug testing lol

OK I don’t know why discord does that sometimes, it’s like every now and then it’ll attach replys to the wrong person

I hate having to use it on the phone

Don’t have these issues on the desktop version, sorry about that

[finite peak]

And now we know that you needed the PAL version anyway!

[pure radish]

https://github.com/nuggslet/MGSM2Fix/releases/tag/v0.5

thanks for the saves guys

made that 100x easier lol

[finite peak]

Any chance of getting that other strange input bug fixed?

[pure radish]

i probably fixed that as well

[finite peak]

Alright let me test it

No joy, that one is still there, ah well, its not game breaking, just slightly annoying

[pure radish]

this?

[finite peak]

No, there’s another one

[pure radish]

that should be better now, the sticks are all set to center when not used

[finite peak]

If you hit right or left rapidly it locks and holds the position for some reason instead of registering as rapid taps

[pure radish]

oh, hm

let me see

[finite peak]

Actually any direction

Up and down as well

[pure radish]

doesnt seem to happen for me

maybe its steam config related?

i'm trying full left and right lock repeatedly on both dpad and stick

nothing locks up

i just walk in circles

[finite peak]

No, it happens even without any config other than default loaded

If you hit any direction multiple times rapidly it locks

I just hit right a bunch of times on the dpad and it locks or left a bunch of times

Any direction it will lock

I can get a video if you need it

[pure radish]

strange, isnt happening for me

he walks a little bit then stops

i wonder if its a pal/ntsc image thing or smth stupid

[finite peak]

I don’t think so because it happens on every version including integral

[pure radish]

[finite peak]

one sec

[pure radish]

looks like the inputs are crazy buffered

[finite peak]

It happens with the analog stick as well I just couldn’t do that with the phone in hand

[keen wharf]

Holy shit, now I have something to look forward to when getting home

Quite a lot of progress

[keen sky]

What was the issue?

[finite peak]

OK scratch that, that’s actually a bug that’s even present with an original image in duckstation

I’m going to have to test that on real hardware now because I don’t remember that ever being a thing

but then again, it might be my old memory slipping or maybe I just never tried it before

[verbal comet]

thank you guys for fixing mgs1.

[finite peak]

I think I may have figured out why some people still have input lag and some dont

I think devices that aren’t xinput are getting lag from conversion through the steam drivers

thanks to the fact this emulator relies completely on steam input

[keen sky]

yeah I've heard that theory a few times.

Seems its related to how konami implemented steam input

its steam input that tells the analog stick to mirror the dpad right?

someone said that but havn't checked myself

which actually means someone could fix it with a mod hey

[finite peak]

Yes, thats why we had to go through all those configurations earlier

I’m going to see if spooty will help me nail down a final config with that last suggestion then I’ll wrap all this up in a nice exe package

The only thing left after that is cosmetics and getting to work with amd cards which, might be complicated lol

Until someone gives me access to an amd machine I’m kinda limited

Steam Deck port should be fairly easy once I start getting into it

Actually, does the steam deck have all those issues with the jumpy frames and audio stutter?

And the input lag?

[keen sky]

Like an exe package with a controller config and the patch? Or a bit more?

Steam deck is just xinput so I'd assume it wouldn't have the input lag issues. Although proton may or may not add that

[finite peak]

Man that whole ending section is a breeze now

Not having analog was rough before lol

[finite peak]

You can look for my mod on nexus but it’ll be updated a lot after this

It fixed how ugly this game looks and all the stability issues and then of course it has nuggs fixes and now its gonna have spootys config as part of it

It’s pretty much just everything in one nice easy to use exe so that you don’t have to mess with much, just kind of install and play

I even recently improved the filter more by adding dithering

This game is hideous and the colors are all wrong without the right filter

[frozen heron]

hey guys, OOTL, any progress these last days?

[pure radish]

we got the analogs

and now we're all out of ideas

[kindred chasm]

What? I'm talking about backing up save data not quitting the game?

[pure radish]

didnt they fix alt+f4

i alt+f4 all the time and my log now has:
2023-11-19 08:59:55.099 ( 526.157s) [ 5C5205D9] dllmain.cpp:576 INFO| M2: MWinResCfg::Get("FORCE_TERMINATE_ON_CLOSE")
2023-11-19 08:59:55.147 ( 526.205s) [ 5C5205D9] dllmain.cpp:955 INFO| M2: sq_printf: ::EmuSRAM.capture_from_emu: success !!

[kindred chasm]

Yes they did that's why im confused about alt f4

[timid hemlock]

You guys think we'll be able to overclock the m2 emulator? To fix the framedrops that occur at certain angles. In Duckstation its fixed by overclocking a bit, 133% usually works

For example when starting at the helipad, if you press against the box snake's hiding behind, the framerate drops to like 20 or below.

[pure radish]

I assume that's what "overdrive" is

[pure radish]

interesting

i worked out how to set overdrive properly without crashing the emu

now

it spams my log file with "common_samplebuf_fill_buffer: buffer empty"

[kindred chasm]

It wants to be buffered by daddy

What'd overdrive do by the way?

[pure radish]

dunno

[kindred chasm]

No visible difference to game or performance?

[pure radish]

just black screen

doesnt crash this time tho

spams that line in the log

but i learned some stuffs that might help poking the emu even more

[timid hemlock]

I had the same thought. Hope you figure out how to work it 🤞

[kindred chasm]

They got it to work already

[pure radish]

wut

emu has some sorta cmd interface

looks like one of them might set the res

oh

i got it to run faster

1.5x speed LOL

[fringe shore]

Ooo like internal res? That would be amazing. I know duckstation is one of the few that can do this without breaking the DOF effect

Gotta go fast

[pure radish]

wonder how fast it can go before it breaks

[fringe shore]

Is this what they refer to when they say speed runs?

[pure radish]

not quite what i had in mind

[plush coyote]

Hey Nuggs, I was wondering. With your debugger, you're basically able to do whatever you want with the game/emulator right?

[pure radish]

kinda

made my game tiny

[ruby hill]

Damn bro, cut your nails. 💅

Ruguna is typing…

[plush coyote]

Well then, I'm sure you've noticed strings? (Not sure on the term for this) referencing this while debugging the emulator but I noticed awhile ago while digging through the .nut files for the game that there were references for a in-game or launcher menu where we could directly edit the video options like aspect ratio

I'm not at all experienced with programming so I might've not explained that very well

[pure radish]

sure

havent really felt its worth the effort to investigate them when i can look at the emulator directly

i take the scripts with a pinch of salt really

who knows who authored them and whether they had any involvement with the MGS project

no guarantee a lot of the scripts even work properly

but would be neat if someone looked at starting it

i doubt the unused menus have localisation strings and assets set up etc etc

setting aspect ratio is probably achievable already

thats just about setting properties on the emutask layer

[plush coyote]

Ah okay, so you're basically focusing on messing with the emulation itself rather than messing with the scripts that M2 might've or might've not fully implemented themselves in their framework?

[pure radish]

now I am, kind of just used the scripts to find my way around the executable itself

im not sure the MGS port was handled by M2 themselves given the general poor quality of it

I assume M2 probably gave them some sort of template project

hence the unused scripts etc

theres certainly no way to script your way to things like internal resolution change

so at some point researching the scripts reaches a limit

doubt you can do analog input from the scripts either

seems like the general idea is M2 has some framework you can build with certain settings and then hand it over to a frontend team to script an interface on top of it, with an example template

so the scripts can do things like reading and writing ram, setting emulator options, and drawing etc etc

they use the ram read/write to do certain things like the ingame options menu callback

but at some point its handled by EmuTask and friends, which are all C++

I think there's some AOT going on for the game code too

[woeful flare]

this, so much this

M2 is regarded as the kings of emulation, there's no way they'd let this pass...

unless they just suck with PS1 emulation

[pure radish]

the inclusion of the scripting system makes me think its an engine that is licensed

[woeful flare]

question is, for me anyways, has M2 ever used this emulator before...

[pure radish]

i wonder what other systems they can do

[woeful flare]

well, there's sega genesis and master system

and their arcade hardware

[plush coyote]

I also believe they might've licensed out or worked on the WiiVC emulation

[chrome path]

Guys, whoever released the remap on Nexusmods

You gotta add a comment in there telling people they need to use Steam Input to rebind, more clearly. Someone I know was just complaining about it in frustration.

Suggest the preset on the Steam thingymajigger.

Save yourselves getting 20 of the same questions.

[fringe shore]

Are there still issues with Mantis or any other parts or are they resolved?

I can release one more config with digital controls. The new xbox controllers have a third menu button (Share) and PS5 has the Mic button which is in the perfect location as the older analog buttons on the Dualshock. I can add this again as a layer and long press for R3 for those without. That way its harder to accidently press

@finite peak also requested i add a repeat A with A + B.

just asking because if thats the case i think at this point we can call the config official after these changes

Can release a With and Without Turbo for purists

But if all the major analog issues are resolved no digital input is needed

[pure radish]

pretty sure it's all good now

if there's any issues they aren't specific to mantis (and no one is complaining too much)

i have a buncha patches for the internal res

but its far from complete

however i already have concerns that it won't perform well enough to play

we shall see, sticking with it

i might just be doing something dumb

you know what would make the debugger useful, some remote eval() feature

surprised it didnt have that

[plush coyote]

What makes you concerned that it won't perform well enough?

[pure radish]

uhh well i patched it earlier and it broke all the video output, but critically the audio was stuttering

entirely possible that i've done something daft, but that doesn't bode well

loooooool

i modified the debugger to support eval()

so via python i can do

s.send(b'ev:::g_emu_task.setRunSpeed(1.5);\0\n')

to make the game run at 1.5x speed 🙂

bit of polish and we have a "developer console"

this should make my antics a bit easier as I don't have to keep compiling for each experiment

[fringe shore]

Ok you should be able use the non turbo as the official config then for posting!

I’ll make the edits to the turbo one

Just to minimize confusion on nexusmods as mentioned prior

[pure radish]

do you have the link handy?

yay my repl works

heh

the dumbest thing here is how quickly i went from idea to it working

[pure radish]

very stupid

can open the controller settings this way

[kindred chasm]

Controller settings as in emulator controller?

[pure radish]

its the callback from the ingame key options

that opens the stance menu thing

but im doing it via python -> the mod -> squirrel debugger -> emutask -> write ram to emu -> their squirrel scripts read it

very daft but its 2am

but being able to simply type squirrel code in python makes testing stuff much quicker

[kindred chasm]

Is there a stance menu setting that lets us switch to a better emulator

[pure radish]

yeah, the steam overlay

then search retroarch on the store

[finite peak]

Work from home lol

[kindred chasm]

Damn Konami hooked us up nicely huh

[finite peak]

From what I can tell it’s good, did a full run last night and didn’t run into anything else

Also no idea who did that on nexus but I’m going to wrap everything together tonight

[fringe shore]

Should be this one:

steam://controllerconfig/2131630/3087945618

[finite peak]

OK so this is the one with no turbo that we’re going to be packaging?

Just want to make sure we’re consistent cuz I’m going to package this one with the exe on nexus mods

[finite peak]

Yes, the mega man x collection

[woeful flare]

the old one?

[finite peak]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/743890/Mega_Man_X_Legacy_Collection/

Steam

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[woeful flare]

OOOH the new one

[finite peak]

Hey its on sale!

I’ll probably buy it lol

Love me some megaman x4!

[soft falcon]

This collection had input lag too for x1-3

Although 4 through 8 and native

[fringe shore]

Up to you guys but I think the “default” option would be best with turbo as an alternative for those who want it

[finite peak]

Alright then, the “default” it is lol

[keen wharf]

Yeah, I checked X6 a bit on duckstation then on Legacy Collection as that game has Dualshock support.
In the original version the analog sticks don't do anything, dualshock is only for rumble but in Legacy Collection the analog stick does control the character and also navigates the menu meaning there is some digital to analog implemented there. Rumble also works in Legacy Collection.

It does look like MGS1 was just slapped on this and the only actual work put in was probably the integration with the launcher and the disc swap thing.

Now whether it's Konami just licensing M2's stuff or M2 being contracted to do that I dunno, we can all theorise.

I know M2 has done some great ports/emulation of old games but it can be the case that here that was outside the scope for the budget.

[finite peak]

EXE is compiling now, itll all be up on Nexus shortly

So now the only things left are upscaling, 16:9, and overclocking to get rid of slow down.

If that can be achieved we will have pretty much replaced duckstation.

Personally I’m just doing a happy Jig that it’s finally fully playable with no weirdness

https://www.nexusmods.com/metalgearsolidmastercollection/mods/73?tab=description

There we go

Fixed the issue with reshade not working properly as well

[keen sky]

I've never understood reshade lovers but I'm glad they'll have something they're into

oohhhh is it for the crt filter in this case

doesn't look bad. I still won't use it but nice work

[keen wharf]

Ah right. Wanted to say before but forgot.
I do have an AMD GPU, if you tell me what kind of settings you've used for nvidia I could look for AMD equivalents.
So far the only thing I did for framerate stability was using rivatuner to cap the FPS to 60 lol

[ruby hill]

Proper frame rate unlock. 🙂

[finite peak]

That's not going to happen

[ruby hill]

Sad

[finite peak]

I don't know how many times I have to repeat that, but framerate unlock breaks the game

you'll have to wait for the decomp team to finish up for that to happen

[finite peak]

why don't you just try it before you knock it? besides you should still use this and just use the O key to turn it on and off

[finite peak]

Did that fix all the audio stuttering issues?

[keen wharf]

So far I haven't noticed anything too bad

[finite peak]

If there is crackling then it's not working

[keen wharf]

I should probably check back to back to be sure

[finite peak]

Just see if there is any audio crackling, that's it

if there is, it's not working, if there isn't, then it is

[keen wharf]

So the nvidia inspector it's only for audio crackling issues then?

[finite peak]

well no, it fixes more than that

the frames would jump everywhere when I had gsync on

it was completely unplayable before with 120 hz and gsync

now it works perfectly fine with it on or off or at any hz rate

[keen wharf]

I see. I did mostly look for frame stablity. Just running up and down in the docks lol

[finite peak]

Yeah frame stability, but if the frames are truly locked, there will be 0 audio stuttering/warping

[keen wharf]

Scanline sync to 1 and capping the fps to 60 seems to have helped with frame stability

I rely more on Rivatuner for capping FPS than AMD's software

[finite peak]

scaline sync? where did you set that?

[keen wharf]

Rivatuner has that

[finite peak]

you on a CRT monitor???

[keen wharf]

No, rivatuner just has an option like that lol

[finite peak]

lol, I'm like 99% certain that's only supposed to work on CRTs but OK

[keen wharf]

It supposedly for people who don't have gsync or freesync but want to minimize both screen tearing and input lag

[finite peak]

uh.....hhmmm OK then lol

[keen wharf]

But I sometimes use for frame stability in certain applications where freesync just makes things worse

[finite peak]

this word scanline, I do not think it means what the programmers think it means!

[keen sky]

no offence or negativity intended, more personal preference.

Not super into using external programs to make additions or changes to games. Can't give a good reason just not.

It does look decent. just not my thing

[finite peak]

there's got to be a more stable fix of some sort, would you mind sending me a screenshot of all the actual AMD video card options?

[keen wharf]

I will when I get home. Currently at work

[finite peak]

Gotcha, well still, it comes with it and you just swap with the O key, so try it out and go back and forth and tell me what you think

[finite peak]

I appreciate it, I really want to get things working for you AMD guys as well

And next comes the steam deck!

[keen wharf]

Alright, here they are. This is Graphics options

and here is display if it helps with anything

And because it was brought up before, here is Rivatuner's scanline sync lol

[finite peak]

Give me a minute to look all of that over

For the sake of simplicity lets try amd options first

Those amd options can be set per game right?

[keen wharf]

Yeah

[finite peak]

OK good

The first thing is AMD chill

[keen wharf]

Also helps that you can set while the game is running

[finite peak]

Can you set that to 60 fps?

[keen wharf]

sure

should be like this

[finite peak]

Alright so lets start there

Now can you enable anti lag?

[keen wharf]

Anti lag disables radeon chill just so you know

[finite peak]

I was afraid of that

Keep chill on then

[keen wharf]

and yeah anti lag fucks the audio up lol

[finite peak]

OK so what about things like radeon image sharpening?

[keen wharf]

That one seems to just be sharpening

[finite peak]

Alright, lets leave that one alone, instead just make sure vsync is on

Wait for vertical refresh rate specifically

Go ahead and crank anti aliasing all the way up

[keen wharf]

Probably won't make a difference

[finite peak]

Only affects direct x9 got it

Yeah leave it be theb

Then*

What about anisotropic filtering?

[keen wharf]

same thing

I should mention I have the borderless windowed thing on as well

from the mod

[finite peak]

No that’s good

Always leave it like that or input lag is bad

Enable opengl triple buffering

Is that on or off?

Oh wait its off nvm, just leave that one off

[keen wharf]

it's on currently

oh ok lol

[finite peak]

Yeah just leave that off, the game used direct x 10

uses*

[pure radish]

isnt it dx11

[finite peak]

or it might be 11

[pure radish]

game is full of dx11 strings

[finite peak]

Beat me to it

I always get them confused cuz they are so similar and even trigger a lot of the same detections

[keen wharf]

Would have been interesting to see a game using DX10 these days lol

[finite peak]

Is there a way to actually set tessellation mode?

[keen wharf]

About this much

most likely only affects games with a setting like that

[finite peak]

Override application settings and see if it will let you set it manually

[finite peak]

16x

Leave it there

Turn off all the rivatuner stuff and play the game and tell me how it runs, if you have any frame stutter or audio crackling/warping

[keen wharf]

Made a recording just so I hope I won't be placebo'd lol

Also would like to ask did the update improve the audio a bit?

Cause even without any of the options on I do remember it sounding way worse before than now

[finite peak]

Maybe? I don’t remember if I did anything with that or not tbh lol

Seems like its looking good

And sounding good

Only question is, why didn’t the crt shader load?

Did you just turn that off or is that something that I messed up?

[keen wharf]

oh it's turned off

[finite peak]

OK, did it at least load initially?

[keen wharf]

oh I'll recheck. I did mess around with reshade on my own and applied a more simple CRT shader lol

[finite peak]

oh lol

Yeah just….the colors are so bad

Like if you play on original hardware with a CRT it really doesn’t look like that at all

[keen wharf]

yeah, I disabled it just for the sake of testing

[finite peak]

Good call, but yeah, at least that profile seems to work

Would you mind doing one more recording?

The very opening with the sub

Let me see that one, its one of the biggest offenders of audio warp if the frame limiter doesn’t work right

[keen wharf]

ok

BTW, my monitor is 165hz just to inform

and regarding your installer if it's OK for me to suggest.
a manual installation option would be nice since i don't have the game installed in the default steam folder. Not too much of an issue to me since i can just copy paste the contents from there but still.

[finite peak]

that would explain why the shader isn't loading

you would have to manually change the locations in the ini file

[keen wharf]

I can confirm reshade works if I paste the contents

[finite peak]

naw, it's not loading the preset

you have to change the ini to point it to the right folders

that's why everything needs to be in the default folder

[keen wharf]

ah I see lol

Well I prefer to manually adjust stuff on my own anyway. When it comes to CRT shaders I mostly like stuff like easymode or yeetron

[finite peak]

I highly recommend you try mine

just edit the ini and point it to the preset

either way, AMD bois are covered now

can you export that profile?

I'm pretty sure AMD can do it native, I don't think they have to have an external program like nvidia

[keen wharf]

Yeah there is, although I should check if I can stick it only for MGS1 and not like everything lol

[finite peak]

Yeah...that would be advisable lol

[keen wharf]

oh boy no option for individual games....

Tried to see if I can manually mess around with it but even then it seems to save the game's path so probably even if I could send out a profile it may not work for someone

funky ayymdee

I guess a simple description of suggesting AMD Chill to 60fps and vsync to always on would work

if not I could look for some third party software that may do that

[finite peak]

somethings wrong

individual profiles are a thing from pretty much all the forums I've read

[pure radish]

i might buy this if it has their psx emu

[finite peak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoBoSGKvnYM

[pure radish]

might have useful clues about the mgs emu

[finite peak]

I mean, 8 bucks, it's on a good sale right now

and it's worth it just for X4, the greatest megaman ever made

[pure radish]

there's two actually

x legacy collection 2

[keen wharf]

yeah, there are individual game profiles. Also lots of times you don't even need to add the game as AMD software scans it automatically, doesn't always work but for MGS1 it did

It's just there is no option to export a game profile

there is a setting to export your profile but it like exports everything

all game profiles, global profiles, Display settings colour settings

pretty much everything you tweaked with the software

[finite peak]

hhhmmm

that kinda sucks, but give me just a second to look into it

[keen wharf]

Yeah, I see what you mean but I'll probably customize things more on my end. It seems you've used Cathode for the colours so I can probably mix some stuff up in there

[finite peak]

I also added dithering

that makes a big difference with original psx titles

So what about tuning profiles?

is that a thing? I've seen that option thrown around in places

[keen wharf]

yeah, there is tuning profiles just no option to export it specifically

tuning game performance it's like OC territory lol

hold on I'll try something

Nvm, it only exports OC settings

[finite peak]

well that sucks lol

[keen wharf]

yeah, this one allows to export individually

but it's only these specific settings

not the graphics settings

[finite peak]

check the gaming tab

see if theres something there

[keen wharf]

the gaming tab is what I've used for the settings before

[finite peak]

that's so weird that there are no solutions for AMD for this

I'm gonna drop a message in gen chat, maybe someone has an answer

I refuse to believe that no one has figured out something on this basic level of functionality for AMD cards

[keen wharf]

Yeah someone might figure something out

Should mention AMD have had several iterations of the software though

Some older ones were actually more customizable

[finite peak]

apparently radeonmod might be able to do it

I've never used it though

https://www.guru3d.com/download/amd-registry-editor-download

That's the link if you want to give it a try

[keen wharf]

oh huh, that seems to be like an nvidia inspector alternative for AMD

[finite peak]

yeah it does, it even has a profiles tab which is what I'm thinking we need

[keen wharf]

I'll check a bit more about it later, if something comes I'll inform

[finite peak]

alright cool, I'll look around some as well, there has to be some way to save a profile for an individual game

[pure radish]

hmm, with my internal res patch it seems likely that it didn't break rendering, it just caused the layer to position itself off-screen

[soft falcon]

How does it look at double internal res?

[pure radish]

good question

g_emu_task.reset() definitely does a reset

[pure radish]

double res might be doable

doesnt seem to be choking to anywhere near the same extent

[timid hemlock]

❤️ awesome!

[pure radish]

ah nice i got the debugger and normal mod fixes to coexist

hmm

[woeful flare]

tiny

[pure radish]

i got the game to flicker

[soft falcon]

Flicker?

Like interlacing?

[pure radish]

like half of the image is flickering separately to the other half

going nuts

[dawn flare]

what have you done

[pure radish]

good question

[dawn flare]

https://tenor.com/view/classic-blunders-gif-24186536

[pure radish]

i can see through walls

[scenic kelp]

Did mgs1 get updated or did steam randomly decide to reinstall the entire game

[pure radish]

i hope not otherwise i'm losing a lot of patches

[dawn flare]

Doesn't look like it

[chrome path]

The only time I've seen something like that was when MGS1's RAM itself is corrupted.

Try turning on/off IR goggles and see if it messes it up more/less.

Or NVG.

[kindred chasm]

So this is what psycho mantis sees

[pure radish]

thank god

i got it skipping the notices and going straight to menu

[kindred chasm]

Notices being how the game was perserved to keep the original vision or some shit?

[pure radish]

yeah and konami logo etc

all the crapo before the menu

[kindred chasm]

Wouldn't a launcher skip be more festible or is that simply not possible with mgs1?

Like go straight into the game with the settings you give it

[pure radish]

there's no launcher to skip

mgs2/3 "launcher skip" meant "skip launcher.exe"

mgs1 launcher is the game

its probably possible to inject the right squirrel incantation to skip the menu, but its not the fully encapsulated deal it was with mgs2/3

its possible to return to the menu from the game too, so all the state needs to be set correctly to allow it

[kindred chasm]

Is it possible to edit the text that appears at the start?

[pure radish]

the notices? probably in the localisation streams somewhere

i'd rather just skip em tbh

[kindred chasm]

Yeah, replace it with notices about the emulator and needing steam input and shit

[pure radish]

the notice skip was pretty nice because their scripts already support it, its just conveniently disabled for the mgs release

[kindred chasm]

Stuff that people should actually know if they decide to use the mod

[pure radish]

so its as simple as changing a false to a true

i imagine getting the framework to veer off course might be tricky but still possible

[kindred chasm]

Been meaning to ask but is the unity launcher like a free asset or something

I wanna know why they decided to use unity just for the launcher when none of the game uses them

[pure radish]

dunno either, but mgs1 doesn't use unity even for what you consider to be the launcher

so they implemented the launcher stuff twice

i can imagine they just had two teams dealing with this

one team handling the bluepoint ports

another doing the mgs1 release

the bluepoint team chose unity

[kindred chasm]

That's kinda stupid tbh the other emulated games uses unity launcher

Mg1 and 2 might be msx but nes and snake's revenge is nes

[pure radish]

hah

might be possible to boot directly into the game by abusing the ps5 intents

[kindred chasm]

Ps5 intents?

[pure radish]

yeah, on a ps5 you can select things inside a game to start directly

that's set up to start the game directly or go to the "scenario book" or "master book"

i almost have a way to go directly to the emu

[finite peak]

It would be nice to skip the trigger warning

[finite peak]

Any progress on that AMD profile?

[pure radish]

trigger warning skip is ez and done, direct to game requires more gymnastics

I'm kinda close I think

[kindred chasm]

That was nice of PlayStation to make Konami less shit

[keen wharf]

Sorry, not yet.
I did check a bit of Radeonmod but that one is rather old and doesn't seem to use exactly the same settings as the software, neither does it really affect them. It's more just a registry editor

Haven't noticed an FPS limiter either

I dunno why AMD did not implement an option to export individual graphics settings but it's probably that they felt there is no need at least compared to tuning profiles

[finite peak]

I may just have to put it in the documentation and leave up to the user for now. I’ll work on a proper fix later but people can use that while I’m working on the steam deck version

[finite peak]

I do have one more idea I would like to try though if you don’t mind

[keen wharf]

Sure

[finite peak]

So first export your current settings because we are going to overwrite them

Back them up so you can restore once we’re done

[keen wharf]

OK. I will inform when I'll be on the PC

[finite peak]

Basically I want to see how amd behaves when you import settings

Because my theory is if you save a profile with only one game, will it overwrite all the settings? Or when you import it does it only import the settings for that game?

[keen wharf]

I see.
I was considering something like that but trying to manually edit the files with notepad plus lol.
Well when I get home, I'll check for myself

It's just the case that some default settings will be applied regardless

[finite peak]

Alright cool.

[keen wharf]

OK, I checked the import and export now. In the end it seems we can't rely on imported profiles at least if we want to keep it per game.

only thing that is exported and imported are global settings

I made the configuration for MGS1 first, then exported and did a factory reset, imported that file but nothing for MGS1 changed

then did something similar but to global settings and for that it did change

but it's only global, so affecting pretty much everything

for most people it's probably better to just inform them that capping the FPS with Radeon Chill to 60 rather than getting a profile and then needing to change the global settings back lol

I think the reason why per game settings are not saved is probably cause it relies on you adding the application or scanning it and its location can vary so it cannot be reliable completely while for global is not required

the only problem here though would be that there is no way to just import a game profile to apply for a game

if there was an option for that then things would be simple

[finite peak]

I remember it was radeon chill and anisotropic filtering 16x but I thought there was something else

[keen wharf]

It was Vsync to always on, Radeon Chill to 60 and Tesselation to 16x

[finite peak]

Oh right, tesselation because adaptive sucks

It causes frame fluctuations

[keen wharf]

I'm not 100% sure if Vsync to always on makes a difference or not, but I think there it's probably more dependant on the display

I think the fact that I have a 165hz monitor probably doesn't affect it much

[finite peak]

I would leave it on because if freesync is on, if you don’t have this option enabled it will cause frame fluctuations

Oh and btw, the reason deck users don’t have this issue is because the native display only goes to 60hz

So its locked naturally

[keen wharf]

Anyway sorry i couldn't do much with the profile. Maybe I should leave a suggestion for that to AMD lol

[finite peak]

Yeah, well at least theres a fix for it, I guess I’ll just document it and move on to the deck side

Appreciate you taking the time to help out!

[keen wharf]

no problem

[ruby hill]

@finite peak This happens when I import the Nvidia profile

what do

[pure radish]

lol

looks like it can't handle replacing one profile with another

[ruby hill]

:'

(

OK I just had to delete the old one all good

[haughty iron]

Is this thread related to this mod?: https://www.nexusmods.com/metalgearsolidmastercollection/mods/73

[dawn flare]

@pure radish apparently there was a MGS1 update this morning. Hope you backed up your stuff.

@haughty iron yes, that's @finite peak's project

[haughty iron]

I actually wanted to ask here too, why is he not basing his project on DuckStation, which is also open source

[pure radish]

it doesn't matter too much I was speaking in jest, I don't really lose anything I just have to transfer the patches across to the new version (or downgrade while I work on them)

I make the patches initially in IDA which keeps track of them for me

but that database is tied to a particular version

[dawn flare]

Oh good, I wasn't sure and didn't want you to lose progress/momentum

[pure radish]

that's a bit like saying just download duckstation and don't play the MC

[dawn flare]

Yeah, his project has changed since the first version

In which that's basically what it did lol

[haughty iron]

I meant, why is he using SwanStation over DuckStation since they're both open source

[pure radish]

oh

[dawn flare]

Now IIRC it's an installer for nuggs' fixes and some reshare filters, controller profiles etc

And no longer changes the emulator

[pure radish]

I don't really understand why other emulators are relevant to the MC

we've been able to emulate these games for years, nothing has changed there

[soft falcon]

The more interesting part is potential rom extraction rather than outright replacing the emulator. Then you could use it in whatever. At the moment the priority is just fixing what was shipped in the MC

[pure radish]

extracting the ROM is easy and not very interesting because they haven't changed much

[haughty iron]

Do you know how to extract the ROMs? I need the Integral version extracted from Steam

Is there a guide

[pure radish]

no guide and nobody has really done it yet, but it's not hard from where im sitting I just haven't bothered

[haughty iron]

Welp

[pure radish]

I can look into it if people think it's important

[haughty iron]

I got no clue how to do it

[dawn flare]

I don't think it has any changes from the OG

[pure radish]

I'm just going by what people shout the loudest about lol

[dawn flare]

Anything different is piped in via the emulator

[haughty iron]

Well, the Integral MC version has English implemented into it officially

[dawn flare]

That's the same as the JP one

The item descriptions are in Japanese

Most everything else is in english

[soft falcon]

It's kinda like what they did with kingdom hearts final mix

They liked the english dubs enough to make them the main ones in japanese

[pure radish]

I guess that lz4a puzzle might be fun to solve

though I doubt they did it to be difficult

[dawn flare]

Sounds about right

[pure radish]

it probably is just some obscure variant of lz4 rather than something custom

look at most consoles and you find obscure compression

if they encrypted it they definitely have my attention

[finite peak]

To answer a few question at once, yes I have extracted the roms, no they aren’t the same, yes it can be patched but it’s much harder than it’s worth and everyone wanted achievements plus this works with the official release

Just FYI if you download the isos from the internet they are still perfectly legal because they are in your bins and if you play it in xebra you’re playing with emulated bios

Essentially when you first look at them they appear to be exact one for ones, but that’s not the case, Konami replaced sonys header files with pointers to the custom textures injected into this version of the game

Which is highly questionable in terms of legality but I’m not a lawyer, I can tell you they went so far as to even change the dates back to match on the new files

[pure radish]

did u decompress the lz4a

[finite peak]

No, hold on a sec

[pure radish]

so u didn't extract the full roms

[finite peak]

OK so its three files

Alldata.bin

Dlc_japan.bin

And dlc_europe.bin

All the images are in those files

But you can’t just play them in another emulator

You have to replace the header files with the sony one and rebuild them

THEN they work in another emulator

[pure radish]

that's one way to do it I suppose

then you might as well download them off the internet

[finite peak]

Pretty much

Either way it’s legal because these are very clearly just altered versions of the originals

Now as to how konami is handling if thats legal or not……who knows

Bypassing the bios and replacing sonys header is a lil sus

[pure radish]

just buy a disc copy and a playstation bro

[finite peak]

I mean…..I technically still have the one I bought back in 99 lol

still in primo condition too, I babied that thing

[pure radish]

I guess that's my point, there's a million ways to play this game

replacing the MC with duckstation kind of misses the point of the MC

[finite peak]

Exactly, the whole point is to be more plug and play

Also that dude must still have my original build before all this, that’s all in the past now lol

I’m still confused why everyone kept saying “yOU SHoULd usE dUcKstAtioN”

apparently no one told them the swanstation core is just open source duckstation with more features

It’s almost superior to duckstation in every way

Auto HDR and actually having the option of things like hard syncing with high refresh to get rid of input lag is nice

Retroarch has pretty much surpassed every other 32 bit and down emulator by a long shot

Duckstation is good if you don’t know what you are doing

[dawn flare]

🤐

[finite peak]

But retroarch has so many powerful options

And it has xmb interface which is like an auto win for a menu system

And its universal across every single platform its installed on

[pure radish]

yeah but none of these are the MC

[finite peak]

Very true, the MC is what we are here for and working on

The ONLY thing that seems a lil better in duckstation is the geometry correction but it’s still nothing to write home about and I tend to leave it off because it breaks more things than it fixes

Sorry I know that came out harsh, I’m feeling a little spicy today

[finite peak]

Just use the castlevania advanced collection extractor and guide, it works perfectly on this

Might do a tutorial for that later if people are interested

[haughty iron]

I see. I didn't know about any of these, which is why I was wondering why DuckStation wasn't chosen over SwanStation

Do you feel we're anywhere close to the 3 big features getting implemented in the mod?:
Raising the internal resolution to 4K, widescreen support, overclocking to eliminate any and all frame drops?

[finite peak]

Well, if you scroll up a bit you can see some of the funny trials and tribulations of nuggs fighting it lol

He’s the one doing the heavy lifting on all that, I’m just fixing the framerate issues, making it look good, and writing the installers for ease of use

[haughty iron]

Oh cool

[finite peak]

Granted I’ve been trying to work with squirrel but I’m nowhere near as good at this as he is

[timid hemlock]

The ROMS in MC are the exact same versions as the originals. The only change is they've cut exe functionality, so you can't play them on emulator, unless you repair them

[finite peak]

Yeah we went over that already, they swapped the sony header with pointers to the custom textures

[timid hemlock]

exactly

[haughty iron]

Yeah I thought that for some reason the Integral MC version included English everywhere

[finite peak]

Naw, thats every version of integral

[haughty iron]

Ye my b

Thought they put in some extra work there

[finite peak]

Its cool, I didn’t even know integral was a thing until last year

Konami???? Put in extra work????

[haughty iron]

I did, because I'm pretty sure the old 2000 PC port and the GOG version from 2020 are basically Integral

[finite peak]

You make a funny!

[haughty iron]

😔

[finite peak]

This is pretty much the laziest port possible HOWEVER I will say thus

This*

Now that I got my hands on a steam deck, I get it

[haughty iron]

Yes. I know and I went over this right before it came out with Nitroid over at the MGSFC Discord and got banned

Because he kept saying Konami "did their best"

[finite peak]

This was a cash grab to get deck users

[haughty iron]

Mostly talking about how lazy it is to have MGS2 and MGS3 running at only half the frame rate on the Switch

To which the response was that they did their best

Anyway this is off topic

[finite peak]

Yeah, either way all of them are fixed now

[haughty iron]

On PC only, sadly

Console players are still stuck with gimped versions of these masterpieces

[finite peak]

Well maybe they should have thought about that before being console players now shouldn’t they?

[haughty iron]

That's another can of worms lol

But yes

PC is always the best as it objectively offers the most options

[finite peak]

Yeah this is why I gave up consoles after the PS3

[haughty iron]

Same here

I sense millennial energy