#war of the [word that rhymes with spark] (name tbd)

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stark relic
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@teal oasis

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first question, what does a common planeswalker look like here

teal oasis
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I'd say that commons might not need planeswalkers, just due to it adding complexity. Could have some that synergize or interact with loyalty but aren't planeswalkers themselves, though

stark relic
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i mean you could just have a normal effect and then a -n

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or even just the -n

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so you get one or two uses of it

teal oasis
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Oh, that's fair

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So like a

Common
4 Loyalty
-1: next hand gives +8 mult
``` kinda deal?
stark relic
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yeah probably

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some possible design spaces:

  • jokers that gain loyalty through other means
  • =n costs?
teal oasis
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Oh =n costs is definitely interesting

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Also, the idea of jokers gaining benefits based on their loyalty, but being able to use it for utility, as a trade-off, might be interesting.

Whatever rarity
10 Loyalty

+2 mult for each Loyalty
-1: Earn $2
stark relic
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oh that's neat

teal oasis
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Might be smart to figure out if there will be jokers that care about other jokers' loyalty.
If there's a joker that gives +1 mult for current loyalty on all your jokers, might not be great to have a joker design that has 100 base loyalty, for example

stark relic
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i mean we could do that?

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actually it'd rule out the +1 loyalty on card discarded design probably and i like that

teal oasis
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Yeah, I think there's more interesting ideas if there aren't jokers that break if a random joker has like +200 loyalty, haha

stark relic
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whatever rarity
1 loyalty
Increase all planeswalker's loyalty by 1 at end of round
[some -n ability]

paper raft
stark relic
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uncommon
starts with 2 loyalty
+1 - reroll the shop
-4 - set shop reroll cost to 0
-10 - add a slot to the shop for the rest of the run

stark relic
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The Jolliest Joker - Rare
Starts with 2 loyalty
+3 - Draw cards until you have a Pair
-2 - Create a Negative Jolly Joker
-10 - Create a copy of each owned Jolly Joker

stark relic
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tested how this would run, seems kind of interesting

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(might be wrong i may have made some incorrect assumptions)

fathom oak
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Jace or something, idk - Uncommon
Starts with 5 loyalty
-1 - Draw a card

If you run out of cards, win the blind instead and -2 loyalty

stark relic
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oh that's cool

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could probably be +1 instead of -1(?)

fathom oak
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could be a 0

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i want to avoid the scenario where this simply wins the game when combined with a proliferate engine and deck thinning

stark relic
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fair enough

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you could probably keep it at -1 but make it a bit stronger

teal oasis
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Common/Uncommon
0 Loyalty

Gain 1 loyalty when you discard a card of SUIT
-5 Loyalty, draw the next card of SUIT```
stark relic
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oh yeah

civic niche
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war of the sfark

teal oasis
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Rare
Loyalty 2
+1 Increase current blind's goal by 10%
-5 Disable current Boss Blind
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Uncommon
Gain +1 Mult when a Loyalty ability is used```
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Rare
Every Planeswalker joker gains the following Loyalty ability:
+2 Lose $2```
civic niche
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expressing that is probably weird :?

teal oasis
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I assume so, yeah, haha

civic niche
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maybe a diff color on the button and hovering the button causes the source of the loyalty ability to juice_card_until it's unhovered?

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i dont know how feasible that is

stark relic
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oh yeah i was thinking about that

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the way the api currently works wouldn't allow for that

teal oasis
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I'm liking the idea of having +loyalty abilities with a downside and allow for a fun bomb as an ult, but as always, there's a bit of difficulty with getting varied downsides. Are we up for making Planeswalkers that use counters? Because there's interesting concepts to set up that way, I think

Rare
3 Loyalty
+X Put a Burn counter on each scoring card next hand.
-5 Double the current Burn counters on each card in your hand
-10 Remove Burn counters from each card in your hand and gain X0.2 Mult for each Burn counter removed.```

```Burn Counter
Ticks up by 1
Has x/10 chance to be destroyed when held, where X is the current amount of burn counters```
stark relic
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yeah we can use counters

teal oasis
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btw entirely unrelated, but I'm realizing I don't know what 'sfark' is referencing at all, hahaha

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I think there's also fun planeswalker joker to make that use spells, but I don't think it's worth incorporating that. Too many complex systems, I reckon. I'm taking notes on a 30~45 joker mod that goes all in on Spells, though, so I'll definitely end up adding planeswalkers to that, haha

stark relic
teal oasis
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Uncommon
Whenever you use a Loyalty ability, put a Mult Counter on a random card in your deck```
stark relic
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what are the current types of counters?

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anyways i'll probably start implementing some of these tonight

teal oasis
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Scoring: Chips (+5 chips per counter), Mult (+1 Mult per Counter), xMult (X0.1 Mult Per Counter)
Beneficial: Money ($1 per counter), Retrigger (+1 Retrigger per counter)
And a bunch of status effects, like Stun and Sleep (debuff counters), Burn (destroys cards), Paralyzed (chance to not trigger), Poison (score penalty), Frost (weakens joker/card's scoring)

stark relic
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something something gideon - Rare
3 loyalty
+1 - This Joker becomes a playing card with X2 Mult until end of round
-10 - All playing cards give X2 Mult when scored until end of round```
teal oasis
stark relic
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it'd be rankless and suitless, yeah

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also there'd probably be some protections in place to make it uncopiable or make the copies not revert back

teal oasis
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Might just make a rankless and suitless non-planeswalker card when copied

stark relic
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yeah that's probably the best option functionality wise

teal oasis
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Iris
Rare, 2 Loyalty
Gain 1 Loyalty when a Colour card gains a Round.
-3 Create a negative Colour card
-10 For the rest of the game, Colour cards start with an additional round``` some MoreFluff cross-mod I guess, haha
stark relic
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seems interesting but crossmod can wait until the main set of jokers are finalised

teal oasis
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Crowley
Rare, 3 Loyalty
+2 Destroy a random Tarot card
-7 Create a Spectral card
-30 Create the Soul```
stark relic
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so there'd have to be one on screen for it to be usable?

teal oasis
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Yeah, I'd say so

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Green Giant
Uncommon, 0 Loyalty
Give +mult equal to its loyalty
+3 increase the Reroll price by $1
stark relic
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ooh

teal oasis
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Oh, SMODS has a way to make cards inherently change how many slots they take up, right?

stark relic
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oh does it?

teal oasis
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I think so, though I might be misremembering and it's just something Eremel was still setting up

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I assume that doesn't have to be an int, but could also me smaller. There's definitely cool space for specific tokens that can be created that take up less than a single slot. Something I ran into with Kino and jokers that create jokers that benefit them, is that you'd run into weird space issues because either a token isn't worth taking up 1 whole slot, or it's negative and now you can get too many. But if tokens by default take up 0.25 joker slot, they allow you to kinda build up tokens without going into joker bloat as easily

teal oasis
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2 Loyalty
+5 Destroy the joker to the right
-1 Draw a card
-4 Gain +1 discard for this round
stark relic
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hmm

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both of the minus abilities feel a bit weak for the downside

teal oasis
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Yeah, that's true. Can definitely fidget around with it a bunch and find a more interesting value. Biggest thing, I think, is that the idea of destroying a joker for a big +loyalty ability and then gaining smaller benefits with -loyalty is an interesting idea

stark relic
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yeah the general idea is interesting

teal oasis
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Popcornifer
Unommon. 0 Loyalty
+20 mult. -4 Mult per round played.

+1  Lose $1
-2 +4 Mult

Also one where numbers can definitely be tweaker. But basically refillable popcorn, haha

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At these numbers, basically works out to being able to buy single-roundc copy of Joker and stuff it into this card, whenever you're in a pinch, i guess

stark relic
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maybe the -2 should be 8 or 10? since it takes 3 rounds to build the loyalty for it

teal oasis
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Oh, yeah because you can't go down to 0

stark relic
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you can go down to 0

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++- is still 3 rounds for +4

teal oasis
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Oh, yeah, of course

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good point

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And yeah, agreed

stark relic
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i like 10 or maybe even 11

teal oasis
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The All-Jimbo
Rare. 4 Loyalty
+2 Add +4 Mult to Joker(Jimbo, ig) or Joker token
-4 Create a Joker token (+4 mult, takes up 0.25 joker slot)
-10 A Joker or Joker token loses its mult and gains x0.1 Mult for each Mult lost
stark relic
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i think fractional joker slots don't really work

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since if you have 0.0001 slots free you can still buy a full joker

teal oasis
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Oh, yeah, that's true, it rounds up the wrong way for that to be a thing

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I wonder how much messing around that'd take to make it work, because I like the design space for fractional joker slots used, but yeah, it's not a good mechanic if it allows you to go over

stark relic
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ice do you want push access?

civic niche
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lets GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

teal oasis
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Oh, that might be handy, yeah!

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The Ancient Jester
Rare. 0 Loyalty.
Whenever another Joker gains loyalty, this gains an equal amount of loyalty. (Does not trigger on copies of itself)
-100 Win the blind and earn $50```

I'm realizing I have more ideas for interesting ways to use loyalty than for what you'd use it for, haha
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Also, for Blockbuster: ValManip purposes, I reckon basically any value that relates to loyalty shouldn't be able to be changed, right?

stark relic
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yeah that's right

stark relic
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it's like that one enchantment with the X cost

teal oasis
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Idk what would use this, but if counters will be used:

Loyalty Counter. Ticks down 1. Add 1 Loyalty to a random Planeswalker 
dark osprey
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+1: Turn a selected playing card into a 3. 
-6: Destroy three selected 3 cards to reduce the blind requirement by 33%```
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(Throwing my hat into the ring as an MTG fan)

teal oasis
stark relic
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i do kind of like the idea

teal oasis
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yeah, random application + random targetting would make it a lot of steps for uninteresting payoff. Probably not worth going with that concept, specifically.

fathom oak
stark relic
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turn target user into a 3/3 elk joker

teal oasis
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Cosmo, Good Boy
Rare. 2 Loyalty
+2 Destroy a random planet card
-2 Level up 3 hands at random
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Jokarn, the Gag Creator
Rare. 5 Loyalty
+1 A random card in your hand becomes steel.
-10 Draw every Steel card in your deck to your hand```
stark relic
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space beleren....

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sorry i just remembered he exists

teal oasis
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Hahahaha

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He makes you able to play 10 card hands, then divides them into 2 separate hands that get scored separately

stark relic
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one hand at random of them is leveled up

teal oasis
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Tony Raccoon, King 'o Trash
Rare. 3 Loyalty
+1 Increase your discard selection limit by 1 for the rest of the round
-4 Gain +1 hand for each Discard you've used this round.
civic niche
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i fuckin love gorbidge

fathom oak
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Urza, Unparalleled Undesirable
Rare. 4 Loyalty
+1 Head to AskUrza.com and press the +1 button
-1 Head to AskUrza.com and press the -1 button
-6 Head to AskUrza.com and press the -6 button
stark relic
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True...

fathom oak
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why change what's already perfect

civic niche
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Use a random Tarot / Planet / Spectral card.....

teal oasis
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McBeth Burger
Uncommon
For the next 5 rounds, at the start of a round, Planeswalker joker to the right gains +1 Loyalty
night orchid
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@drowsy dove sfark

drowsy dove
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hello

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what

stark relic
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the mod name has sfark in it

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i can add a sfark joker probably

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Sfark Crystal - Rare
+1 Sfark

drowsy dove
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Potassium is planned to actually add Sfark so

stark relic
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oh okay

drowsy dove
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will this be a Potassium addon or what

stark relic
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no the mod is unrelated to actual sfark, it's just based on a magic set called "war of the spark"

drowsy dove
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why it sfark tho

stark relic
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sfark sounds like spark

drowsy dove
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does it add sfark

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does the mod add sfark

stark relic
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no not yet

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i dont think it was planned to, sfark just sounded like spark

drowsy dove
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th

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then what are we doing here

civic niche
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its a funny name

drowsy dove
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if it dont add Sfark then dont call it Sfark

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call it Trilp or sth idk

civic niche
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oh no the gimmick infringement police

drowsy dove
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i INVENTED Sfark

stark relic
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okay fine i'll add a joker that adds sfark

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and then make it defer to potassium's if it's loaded

drowsy dove
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yeah thats fine

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just dont call it Sfark if it has nothing to do with Sfark

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thats false advertising

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or i'll have WotC swat you

civic niche
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what a great way to handle a situation

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threaten the other person's life

drowsy dove
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i have nukes at my disposal

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dont push me

fathom oak
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oh no, please don't call the pinkertons

civic niche
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this is wholesale the type of toxic bullshit that kinda makes me regret chatting in this server at all

drowsy dove
civic niche
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like actually its a video game and we're making free and largely open source mods

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chill

drowsy dove
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i can explode all the doorknobs in your house with my mind powers

fathom oak
drowsy dove
teal oasis
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I guess you can always go for Japewalkers, fluff 😛

drowsy dove
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did autumn just leave the server?

night orchid
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yea

night orchid
drowsy dove
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shouldnt have pulled out the nukes i guess

tulip wind
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whuh

fallow void
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May I be a planeswalker :33

hidden cloud
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simply a difference in mult

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chips issue, may i say

steep radish
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can i be a joker :3

stark relic
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war of the sharks

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changed name (card sharks)

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there you win

teal oasis
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Card of the sharks

stark relic
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anyways development resumes today

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hm...

teal oasis
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Aqua-man, Shark Whisperer
Rare. 2 Loyalty.
+2 Put a Splash counter on each card in hand.
-3 Destroy all unscored cards next hand.```

And Splash counters would just let a card score if it'd be unscored, then tick down 1
stark relic
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set up a credits thing

raven barn
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🦈

drowsy dove
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the sharks

raven barn
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i mean, this is a mod with shark in the title.... and my oc is a shark... i have to slither my way into this

teal oasis
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Golden Goose
Uncommon. 3 Loyalty
Jokers with a sell value of $10 or higher give x1.5 mult.
+3 Lose $3
-3 All your jokers gain $1 Sell Value
stark relic
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since egg is a northernlion reference it should be +2 and -2

fallow void
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When I get home I’ll (attempt) to make art for some jokers

drowsy dove
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Shark Egg
hatches into a shark after 4 rounds

raven barn
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oh my god..

stark relic
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okay there probably wont be sharks in the mod?

drowsy dove
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what do you MEAN

fallow void
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(Proof I’m a termite)

drowsy dove
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awesome

teal oasis
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Does the uses in the jokers indicate how many times a planeswalker can be used each round?

stark relic
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yeah

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by default it's set to 1 at start of round and decremented by 1

teal oasis
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Did you have finished art for any planeswalker, btw? I'mnot sure what you'd wanna see for the frames

teal oasis
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@stark relic is this what you had in mind, as far as the frame?

stark relic
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ooh that looks nice

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i had something else in mind for the frame but that works

teal oasis
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Oh, what did you have in mind?

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I'm realizing now that I've based these on autum's planeswalker cards with your frame, not ones you've posted, haha

stark relic
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the white border with the colour identity

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there's an example in the rudebuster repo with a transparent center

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we can go with the one you sent though

teal oasis
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I'll check that one out, I fully missed that one, haha

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I'm wondering if there's a nice gradient that could look nice

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Thought I'd try a few out. I do think at least some white in the frame is a good choice

teal oasis
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@stark relic I'm kinda liking this framing. Also, don't know if you had a concept for a Mind Sculptor, but I did draw a Mind Sculptor, haha

stark relic
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oooh

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yeah i have a mind sculptor in morefluff already

teal oasis
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As a planeswalker, you mean, right?

stark relic
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yeah

teal oasis
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aha, that makes sense. I was scared it had been in mf for a while and I just missed it

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Do you have art for it already? You're free to use this one if it's to your liking, at least, haha

stark relic
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i don't have art, no

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i'd be happy to add it!

raven barn
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🦈

drowsy dove
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what colors would a mind goblin be? like red blue? is that a thing?

stark relic
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mind goblin was red

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because impulse mana generation or something

teal oasis
stark relic
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not that im aware of(?)

teal oasis
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smh no reuse reduce recycle creature huh

teal oasis
stark relic
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yeah that sounds about right

teal oasis
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I recommend we do try and coerce a better artist to help out 😛

stark relic
teal oasis
stark relic
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oh right yeah

teal oasis
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and Ice works, haha, or IceEthics in case there's the risk of multiple ice's 😛

teal oasis
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We haven't set up a list of concepts we'd wanna include, right?

stark relic
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not yet

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though that's probably a good idea

teal oasis
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Yeah, we should definitely set something up. Gives me direction when I wanna try my hand at more card arts, haha

teal oasis
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thought I'd try to make an art for one that would look like Grist. Couldn't nail it, decided to just bury the parts I had. Not sure whether I like the art, and also not sure whether there's actually a concept that fits Grist, haha

stark relic
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war of the [word that rhymes with spark] (name tbd)

teal oasis
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😭

fallow void
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War of the sharp shard

fallow void
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War of the carp (fish)

fathom oak
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hark! it's the war of the dark. gather ye larks and quarks, we're going to the park to get away from the mark.

civic niche
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war of the park (its a beautiful day outside)

drowsy dove
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the weather

fathom oak
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war of the mark (all face cards are drawn face down)

fallow void
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War of the stark (Tony)

hidden cloud
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WAAAARRRR

stark relic
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will try picking this back up shortly

stark relic
stark relic