#war of the [word that rhymes with spark] (name tbd)
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I'd say that commons might not need planeswalkers, just due to it adding complexity. Could have some that synergize or interact with loyalty but aren't planeswalkers themselves, though
i mean you could just have a normal effect and then a -n
or even just the -n
so you get one or two uses of it
Oh, that's fair
So like a
Common
4 Loyalty
-1: next hand gives +8 mult
``` kinda deal?
yeah probably
some possible design spaces:
- jokers that gain loyalty through other means
- =n costs?
Oh =n costs is definitely interesting
Also, the idea of jokers gaining benefits based on their loyalty, but being able to use it for utility, as a trade-off, might be interesting.
Whatever rarity
10 Loyalty
+2 mult for each Loyalty
-1: Earn $2
oh that's neat
Might be smart to figure out if there will be jokers that care about other jokers' loyalty.
If there's a joker that gives +1 mult for current loyalty on all your jokers, might not be great to have a joker design that has 100 base loyalty, for example
i mean we could do that?
actually it'd rule out the +1 loyalty on card discarded design probably and i like that
Yeah, I think there's more interesting ideas if there aren't jokers that break if a random joker has like +200 loyalty, haha
whatever rarity
1 loyalty
Increase all planeswalker's loyalty by 1 at end of round
[some -n ability]
uncommon
starts with 2 loyalty
+1 - reroll the shop
-4 - set shop reroll cost to 0
-10 - add a slot to the shop for the rest of the run
The Jolliest Joker - Rare
Starts with 2 loyalty
+3 - Draw cards until you have a Pair
-2 - Create a Negative Jolly Joker
-10 - Create a copy of each owned Jolly Joker
tested how this would run, seems kind of interesting
(might be wrong i may have made some incorrect assumptions)
Jace or something, idk - Uncommon
Starts with 5 loyalty
-1 - Draw a card
If you run out of cards, win the blind instead and -2 loyalty
could be a 0
i want to avoid the scenario where this simply wins the game when combined with a proliferate engine and deck thinning
Common/Uncommon
0 Loyalty
Gain 1 loyalty when you discard a card of SUIT
-5 Loyalty, draw the next card of SUIT```
oh yeah
war of the sfark
Rare
Loyalty 2
+1 Increase current blind's goal by 10%
-5 Disable current Boss Blind
Uncommon
Gain +1 Mult when a Loyalty ability is used```
Rare
Every Planeswalker joker gains the following Loyalty ability:
+2 Lose $2```
expressing that is probably weird :?
I assume so, yeah, haha
maybe a diff color on the button and hovering the button causes the source of the loyalty ability to juice_card_until it's unhovered?
i dont know how feasible that is
oh yeah i was thinking about that
the way the api currently works wouldn't allow for that
I'm liking the idea of having +loyalty abilities with a downside and allow for a fun bomb as an ult, but as always, there's a bit of difficulty with getting varied downsides. Are we up for making Planeswalkers that use counters? Because there's interesting concepts to set up that way, I think
Rare
3 Loyalty
+X Put a Burn counter on each scoring card next hand.
-5 Double the current Burn counters on each card in your hand
-10 Remove Burn counters from each card in your hand and gain X0.2 Mult for each Burn counter removed.```
```Burn Counter
Ticks up by 1
Has x/10 chance to be destroyed when held, where X is the current amount of burn counters```
yeah we can use counters
btw entirely unrelated, but I'm realizing I don't know what 'sfark' is referencing at all, hahaha
I think there's also fun planeswalker joker to make that use spells, but I don't think it's worth incorporating that. Too many complex systems, I reckon. I'm taking notes on a 30~45 joker mod that goes all in on Spells, though, so I'll definitely end up adding planeswalkers to that, haha
Potassium (the april fool's mod) had Glop as a third scoring parameter, and it has "Sfark" as a fake-out for a fourth
Uncommon
Whenever you use a Loyalty ability, put a Mult Counter on a random card in your deck```
what are the current types of counters?
anyways i'll probably start implementing some of these tonight
Scoring: Chips (+5 chips per counter), Mult (+1 Mult per Counter), xMult (X0.1 Mult Per Counter)
Beneficial: Money ($1 per counter), Retrigger (+1 Retrigger per counter)
And a bunch of status effects, like Stun and Sleep (debuff counters), Burn (destroys cards), Paralyzed (chance to not trigger), Poison (score penalty), Frost (weakens joker/card's scoring)
something something gideon - Rare
3 loyalty
+1 - This Joker becomes a playing card with X2 Mult until end of round
-10 - All playing cards give X2 Mult when scored until end of round```
This is such a cool concept. Does it count as a stone card while in hand?
it'd be rankless and suitless, yeah
also there'd probably be some protections in place to make it uncopiable or make the copies not revert back
Might just make a rankless and suitless non-planeswalker card when copied
yeah that's probably the best option functionality wise
Iris
Rare, 2 Loyalty
Gain 1 Loyalty when a Colour card gains a Round.
-3 Create a negative Colour card
-10 For the rest of the game, Colour cards start with an additional round``` some MoreFluff cross-mod I guess, haha
seems interesting but crossmod can wait until the main set of jokers are finalised
Crowley
Rare, 3 Loyalty
+2 Destroy a random Tarot card
-7 Create a Spectral card
-30 Create the Soul```
so there'd have to be one on screen for it to be usable?
Yeah, I'd say so
Green Giant
Uncommon, 0 Loyalty
Give +mult equal to its loyalty
+3 increase the Reroll price by $1
ooh
Oh, SMODS has a way to make cards inherently change how many slots they take up, right?
oh does it?
I think so, though I might be misremembering and it's just something Eremel was still setting up
I assume that doesn't have to be an int, but could also me smaller. There's definitely cool space for specific tokens that can be created that take up less than a single slot. Something I ran into with Kino and jokers that create jokers that benefit them, is that you'd run into weird space issues because either a token isn't worth taking up 1 whole slot, or it's negative and now you can get too many. But if tokens by default take up 0.25 joker slot, they allow you to kinda build up tokens without going into joker bloat as easily
2 Loyalty
+5 Destroy the joker to the right
-1 Draw a card
-4 Gain +1 discard for this round
Yeah, that's true. Can definitely fidget around with it a bunch and find a more interesting value. Biggest thing, I think, is that the idea of destroying a joker for a big +loyalty ability and then gaining smaller benefits with -loyalty is an interesting idea
yeah the general idea is interesting
Popcornifer
Unommon. 0 Loyalty
+20 mult. -4 Mult per round played.
+1 Lose $1
-2 +4 Mult
Also one where numbers can definitely be tweaker. But basically refillable popcorn, haha
At these numbers, basically works out to being able to buy single-roundc copy of Joker and stuff it into this card, whenever you're in a pinch, i guess
maybe the -2 should be 8 or 10? since it takes 3 rounds to build the loyalty for it
Oh, yeah because you can't go down to 0
i like 10 or maybe even 11
The All-Jimbo
Rare. 4 Loyalty
+2 Add +4 Mult to Joker(Jimbo, ig) or Joker token
-4 Create a Joker token (+4 mult, takes up 0.25 joker slot)
-10 A Joker or Joker token loses its mult and gains x0.1 Mult for each Mult lost
i think fractional joker slots don't really work
since if you have 0.0001 slots free you can still buy a full joker
Oh, yeah, that's true, it rounds up the wrong way for that to be a thing
I wonder how much messing around that'd take to make it work, because I like the design space for fractional joker slots used, but yeah, it's not a good mechanic if it allows you to go over
https://github.com/notmario/WarOfTheSfark here's the repo
ice do you want push access?
lets GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Oh, that might be handy, yeah!
The Ancient Jester
Rare. 0 Loyalty.
Whenever another Joker gains loyalty, this gains an equal amount of loyalty. (Does not trigger on copies of itself)
-100 Win the blind and earn $50```
I'm realizing I have more ideas for interesting ways to use loyalty than for what you'd use it for, haha
Also, for Blockbuster: ValManip purposes, I reckon basically any value that relates to loyalty shouldn't be able to be changed, right?
yeah that's right
this is really silly i like it
it's like that one enchantment with the X cost
Idk what would use this, but if counters will be used:
Loyalty Counter. Ticks down 1. Add 1 Loyalty to a random Planeswalker
+1: Turn a selected playing card into a 3.
-6: Destroy three selected 3 cards to reduce the blind requirement by 33%```
(Throwing my hat into the ring as an MTG fan)
Oh, I like that. Though I wonder if there's a more interesting ult, because reducing teh blind is really a side effect here
this feels kind of messy tbh
i do kind of like the idea
yeah, random application + random targetting would make it a lot of steps for uninteresting payoff. Probably not worth going with that concept, specifically.
"target user of the balatro discord server is forced to suffer at the hands of ono"
turn target user into a 3/3 elk joker
Cosmo, Good Boy
Rare. 2 Loyalty
+2 Destroy a random planet card
-2 Level up 3 hands at random
Jokarn, the Gag Creator
Rare. 5 Loyalty
+1 A random card in your hand becomes steel.
-10 Draw every Steel card in your deck to your hand```
Hahahaha
He makes you able to play 10 card hands, then divides them into 2 separate hands that get scored separately
one hand at random of them is leveled up
Tony Raccoon, King 'o Trash
Rare. 3 Loyalty
+1 Increase your discard selection limit by 1 for the rest of the round
-4 Gain +1 hand for each Discard you've used this round.
i fuckin love gorbidge
Urza, Unparalleled Undesirable
Rare. 4 Loyalty
+1 Head to AskUrza.com and press the +1 button
-1 Head to AskUrza.com and press the -1 button
-6 Head to AskUrza.com and press the -6 button
True...
why change what's already perfect
Use a random Tarot / Planet / Spectral card.....
McBeth Burger
Uncommon
For the next 5 rounds, at the start of a round, Planeswalker joker to the right gains +1 Loyalty
@drowsy dove sfark
the mod name has sfark in it
i can add a sfark joker probably
Sfark Crystal - Rare
+1 Sfark
Potassium is planned to actually add Sfark so
oh okay
will this be a Potassium addon or what
no the mod is unrelated to actual sfark, it's just based on a magic set called "war of the spark"
why it sfark tho
sfark sounds like spark
its a funny name
oh no the gimmick infringement police
i INVENTED Sfark
okay fine i'll add a joker that adds sfark
and then make it defer to potassium's if it's loaded
yeah thats fine
just dont call it Sfark if it has nothing to do with Sfark
thats false advertising
or i'll have WotC swat you
oh no, please don't call the pinkertons
this is wholesale the type of toxic bullshit that kinda makes me regret chatting in this server at all
erm theyre called Trilpertons now actually
like actually its a video game and we're making free and largely open source mods
chill
i can explode all the doorknobs in your house with my mind powers
(in case you're unaware, this is an actual thing WotC actually did when someone leaked unreleased cards)
yes i know, thats why i referenced it
I guess you can always go for Japewalkers, fluff 😛
did autumn just leave the server?
yea
over this.
shouldnt have pulled out the nukes i guess
whuh
May I be a planeswalker :33
can i be a joker :3
Card of the sharks
Aqua-man, Shark Whisperer
Rare. 2 Loyalty.
+2 Put a Splash counter on each card in hand.
-3 Destroy all unscored cards next hand.```
And Splash counters would just let a card score if it'd be unscored, then tick down 1
set up a credits thing
🦈
the sharks
i mean, this is a mod with shark in the title.... and my oc is a shark... i have to slither my way into this
Golden Goose
Uncommon. 3 Loyalty
Jokers with a sell value of $10 or higher give x1.5 mult.
+3 Lose $3
-3 All your jokers gain $1 Sell Value
since egg is a northernlion reference it should be +2 and -2
When I get home I’ll (attempt) to make art for some jokers
Shark Egg
hatches into a shark after 4 rounds
oh my god..
okay there probably wont be sharks in the mod?
i am putting termites directly under your floorboards
what do you MEAN
Hey termite here, I will be eating his floorboards
(Proof I’m a termite)
awesome
Does the uses in the jokers indicate how many times a planeswalker can be used each round?
Did you have finished art for any planeswalker, btw? I'mnot sure what you'd wanna see for the frames
@stark relic is this what you had in mind, as far as the frame?
Oh, what did you have in mind?
I'm realizing now that I've based these on autum's planeswalker cards with your frame, not ones you've posted, haha
the white border with the colour identity
there's an example in the rudebuster repo with a transparent center
we can go with the one you sent though
I'll check that one out, I fully missed that one, haha
I'm wondering if there's a nice gradient that could look nice
Thought I'd try a few out. I do think at least some white in the frame is a good choice
@stark relic I'm kinda liking this framing. Also, don't know if you had a concept for a Mind Sculptor, but I did draw a Mind Sculptor, haha
As a planeswalker, you mean, right?
yeah
aha, that makes sense. I was scared it had been in mf for a while and I just missed it
Do you have art for it already? You're free to use this one if it's to your liking, at least, haha
🦈
what colors would a mind goblin be? like red blue? is that a thing?
miz izzet
Is there an existing planeswalker or mtg card that'd fit this flavour?
not that im aware of(?)
smh no reuse reduce recycle creature huh
gonna try and make a joker art based on this fellow for this pitch
yeah that sounds about right
I recommend we do try and coerce a better artist to help out 😛
can you send the 1x version? and also how do you want to be credited
I DM'ed them to you a while back, I think!
oh right yeah
and Ice works, haha, or IceEthics in case there's the risk of multiple ice's 😛
We haven't set up a list of concepts we'd wanna include, right?
Yeah, we should definitely set something up. Gives me direction when I wanna try my hand at more card arts, haha
thought I'd try to make an art for one that would look like Grist. Couldn't nail it, decided to just bury the parts I had. Not sure whether I like the art, and also not sure whether there's actually a concept that fits Grist, haha
war of the [word that rhymes with spark] (name tbd)
😭
War of the sharp shard
War of the carp (fish)
hark! it's the war of the dark. gather ye larks and quarks, we're going to the park to get away from the mark.
war of the park (its a beautiful day outside)
the weather
war of the mark (all face cards are drawn face down)
War of the stark (Tony)
WAAAARRRR
will try picking this back up shortly
i like this, but ill probably add "Sell this to create a Spark Tag (name temporary)" which makes the shop contain a planeswalker, idk if it would be in the normal pool
im also really tempted to add something like this