Recycle Bin (Rare)

[charred apex]

has a (empty joker slots) of (joker slots) chance to retrigger all the scoring cards twice.

Maybe the name could improve, its my first idea and i kinda like it but idk, i would like to read your opinions

[noble gust]

imo this is a really cool idea but the rng feels kinda out of place

maybe "trigger the first (empty joker slots) played cards" bc that woul have a very similar effect

[civic kernel]

I think it should be an uncommon. As a rare, it is a bit weak, I think it is more in line with joker stencil.

[civic kernel]

The issue with that is you either have a worse hanging chad(you don't include Recycle bin as an empty slot) or better hanging chad(you do include Recycle bin as an empty slot).

I think the randomness actually works well though it should be an (empty joker slots(Recycle bin included)) of (joker slots) chance both to be in line with stencil and for balance.

The idea is pretty interesting, it encourages you to focus on the economic side of retriggers(lucky cards, gold seals, winning with less hands) over just the scoring potential. Plus more oops all 6s synergy.

[charred apex]

Yeah, that was why i put rare on it because 2 triggers could be very strong I started to imagine builds with Triboulet and polychrome red seals face cards

But maybe on its own is not that strong? I'm still not sure

[civic kernel]

I don't think it's overpowered, like I said, it should be uncommon and count itself as an empty slot. Trib poly red seal runs are so rare that you probably aren't playing them outside of a seeded run, so I wouldn't care about it too much. Plus, this is inconsistent enough that you probably wouldn't want to rely on it for scoring.

Even with my proposed changes, at base you are getting on average 2/5 of a retrigger, which when compared to other retrigger uncommons like sock and buskin, is below standard. Unless you have oops all sixes or are running stencil, you probably will never hit an expected value of 1 retrigger.

You could also do it the other way, 1/4 chance to retrigger once for every empty joker slot(recycle bin included).

[spark flower]

umm might be a bit underpowered

i like the fact that it it doesn't just outclass all other retriggers

wait retrigger twice as in like the total will go from 1 -> 3 or like 1 -> 2?

and maybe instead of x/y chance it could by retrigger x/y cards (ex. 1/5 joker slots, would retrigger 1 card)

[civic kernel]

This was already discussed #1410405734600020048 message.

[spark flower]

mb i didn't read the discussion

[quiet skiff]

me no like