#Jack of all Trades

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olive flume
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Any effect that targets or generates a particular value of a card will only target or generate Jacks instead.

Examples:

Scholar no longer targets Ace, but Jacks
Triboulet no longer targets Kings and Queen, but Jacks
Raised Fist will always pick a Jack in hand, if available
If Idol were to try to select a 5♦️ it instead would select J♦️ instead (even if you do not have a J♦️ in your deck.)
If a Boss Blind targets a card by value (none in vanilla), it would always target Jacks instead

Note, this is an alternative idea to a handful of other Jack of all Trades jokers that doesn't break the rule of wild values, or isn't just "all Jacks are wild suits."

Practically speaking, this will be nearly impossible to implement.

sick gulch
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Too strong

olive flume
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How do you figure?

ripe holly
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I don't get the Magic Trick clause

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It doesn't generate by rank

olive flume
sick gulch
# olive flume How do you figure?

It’s pathetically easy to deck fix with this, especially when the jokers have new fixed conditions relating to the cards that will always spawn

olive flume
viscid vector
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Feels a little modded but very funny

sick gulch
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Those are ways to spawn in new cards

olive flume
sick gulch
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Uh? Yes??? This is way too convenient than tarots?

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Look man, I don’t think there should be joker that just changes the whole direction of your whole run and gives you a clear path to victory like that, it just feels like easy mode at that point

vivid dove
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Actually now that I think about it, the tradeoff is worth it, however I do think it should be one-sided (i.e. not generate jacks). It would give you something to fix your deck towards, if you are willing to gamble for a joker. Would probably still need to be a rare.

placid hollow
olive flume
placid hollow
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or trib, any of the scaling jokers

sick gulch
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Perkeo

sick gulch
olive flume
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Two arcana packs in the shop, roll for death, fool, open pack, use both, roll for death and fool, open pack use both, roll for death and fool, go into blind, use both. Super possible.

sick gulch
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And probably baron as well

placid hollow
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baron is too costly for high stakes

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so not really

olive flume
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Oh, miscommunication.

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Gifty thinks Vic is talking about which jokers are affected by the Joker above. Vic was talking about Jokers that pull you into certain play styles.

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Baron is affected by this joker, of course. But Baron isn't really an ante 8 joker you can just use normally at high stakes, so you typically ignore it, but if you get trio you immediately pivot to a 4ofK build

sick gulch
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Well I still think this is overpowered

placid hollow
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you still need to have the econ for this to do something

ruby wind
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How about 'Replaces all rank description as jacks?' Like the Oops all 6s which doubles all probability descriptions

placid hollow
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would probably be like pareidolia

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where it's not that impactful given deckfixing

olive flume
# sick gulch Well I still think this is overpowered

It's really not, you have to think of it in terms of opportunity cost. Jacks suck as a value to fix to, and this takes a joker slot permanently. Most jokers that look to values are either not useful for ante 8 (Baron) or not super powerful on their own and are actually hobbled by this (Fib, etc)

It's easy to get new Jacks, but it's not super easy to deck fix off of, just deck bloat, you still need normal stuff like Hanging Man, it might make things a little easier, but not a sea change. No one takes Ouija, Spectrals are rare, Magic Trick is almost always an auto pass anyway. You have to want this for the bit. And if this Joker is not very available (Uncommon or Rare) it's not something that will show up early enough in an ante 8 run to matter.

sick gulch
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Okay what about this then

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You take this joker

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Only to add one of the same rank because that is a side effect of this joker

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And then you sell it when you don’t need it

placid hollow
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i think jacks are perfectly fine to deckfix for in face card builds

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given that strength makes more face cards

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  • hit the road is actually decent
sick gulch
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That’s something you can do simply with a joker

olive flume
placid hollow
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the side effect of making everything jacks is the strong part of this

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and this would be enough value to take as an eternal

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idt i'd call it overpowered though

topaz narwhal
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Yeah this has too many upsides

atomic birch
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Its the best jack of all trades yet

topaz narwhal
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I don’t get why this changes stuff like incantation

atomic birch
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But i agree that its still too many positives

topaz narwhal
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This has actually no downside, oh no I’m forced to go face cards? How terrible!

placid hollow
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the plant would be something but even then
sell button

topaz narwhal
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You’d be able to get 5oak so easily that plant wouldn’t be a problem

fickle beacon
topaz narwhal
fickle beacon
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Same name, same game

olive flume
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Adjusted based on feedback, will no longer generate Jacks.

olive flume
atomic birch
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i think this themeing is immpossible to work with

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you did your best

frank prism
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me playing a five of a kind with literally any 5 cards

dry frigate
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Just needs a far more tame approach

fickle beacon
frank prism
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i always hop on these channels at like 4 am and say something stupid

fickle beacon
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It that why your a lurker

frank prism
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maybe

fickle beacon
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Bro

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Why are people like this

olive flume
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Be nice...

viscid vector