Incarnation, familiar and grim in standard packs.

[restive temple]

This is already in the tarot pack spectral but I feel like it should be on its own.

I mean it's pretty self explanatory. It's just like soul and black hole but for more and there for weaker cards. I don't know the rate for soul or black hole but I think 3% chance to spawn and then the game chooses out of the three making it around a 1% chance to get then. If that's to low tell me what's right and I will adjust

[dense hollow]

Not a fan of basic spectrals spawning in nonspectral packs

They also lowkey suck and you’d never really take them

[red cliff]

I’d rather thunk add a dedicated spectral for standard packs

My suggestion (albeit sounding modded) would be a spectral that allows you to add whatever card you want

So you could add a poly red seal glass king of spades

[shy gate]

4/3/2 cards verses just the 1 its not a complete loss

[shy gate]

Yes sounds modded

But not bad

Ooooo maybe the spectral would give negative to a random card in your deck

[red cliff]

That would be very funny but I dunno if it feels standard pack-y

[shy gate]

I mean its a card effect and is something completely new as outside of this there is no way to get negative cards

But I see your point

[stiff jasper]

grim and familiar are decent but incantation is usually reserved for hologram

[dense hollow]

Familiar is nice but if I’m at the point of opening standard packs they have considerably less value

[dense hollow]

The main reason to open standard packs is seals and editions, which they don’t offer at all

[stiff jasper]

yeah the whole reason why you open them is seals

blue seals are literally the strongest thing in the game

so making them less likely to show up ends up hurting the pack

[dense hollow]

Familiar to me is a spectral I only take early game (or hologram but that’s not the point) because it’s a good build starter. Standard packs I almost never take early game cause they miss so much, only take them when my build is set

[shy gate]

So what about the negative card what do you think about that?

[dense hollow]

Where were negatives mentioned?

[shy gate]

Here

I was just tossing a idea into the ring

[fickle pawn]

I think these 3 should just get a chance to give editions and seals

[dense hollow]

Also I personally despise negative playing cards since it either does nothing (drawing a single negative 8 ain’t gonna do anything), or too busted with enough deaths and you draw a hundred steels

[fickle pawn]

Only a chance, but it'd be nice to occasionally get some extra value

[shy gate]

Alright fair enough I was just hoping the very blatant problems would be ignored

[fickle pawn]

Negative cards are a very fun way to get to naneinf essentially in all in jest

But all in jest has a few other options to help it be possible. It would be a lot harder in vanilla with only a few steel negative cards

[stiff jasper]

negative gold blue seal

[fickle pawn]

But even then, DNA, Death and Cryptid would let you get a fair few to appear

[dense hollow]

Negative purple seal

That gets you more deaths, which gets you more deaths

[fickle pawn]

its alright but negative doesnt pair that well with purple

Since negative draws you extra cards, the card isnt replaced in your hand when discarded

[dense hollow]

Not innately but if it’s a steel purple negative you can death your whole deck into it so it provides scoring and tarots

[fickle pawn]

Id handle negative cards like AIJ does, it has its own spectral card that gives one random held card Negative

Its strong but you cant just prepare a card loaded with steel, a seal, etc.

[restive temple]

You guys and girls do relies that you can't use them unless you draw the cards

[dense hollow]

Eh I think it’s a lot more likely than you think, but not common for sure

[dense hollow]

Yeah

Tbh I’d rather have innate cards than negative but that’s off topic

[fickle pawn]

AIJs insane because theres a minor arcana that creates a spectral so more cryptid or shades, Two ways which splits a card into 2 cards halving the rank [so 2 negative steels], and charged cards that buff enhancements of played or held in hand cards by 1.5x

[dense hollow]

What is AIJ

[fickle pawn]

I had like 50 cards in hand, and my steels were hitting for like 55x

All in jest

A mod that adds a lot of things including negative cards

[shy gate]

A way to get negative cards

They are already implemented

[fickle pawn]

Well yeah I guess

Important to note, negatives drawing extra cards are effected by suit debuffs

So uh...make sure to utilize tarots to spread the suit of your negative cards out more evenly

[shy gate]

Eh just get chicot (chicot reference :0)

Lol didn't know that actually though

Very cool

[fickle pawn]

Just got brainstorm from a judgement

[restive temple]

Read in the chicot thread.

[fickle pawn]

Thank you negative purple seal card

[restive temple]

Isn't judgement just gambling?

[fickle pawn]

Yes

[restive temple]

Let's go

[fickle pawn]

Unplayable

Cryptid and Death no longer copy Negative in all in jest

[round pilot]

For this suggestion to work, you would either have to make it so cards are drawn when you open a standard or make it so spectral cards pulled from standard packs go to your inventory (which would be inconsistent with literally every other pack)

[shy gate]

I was referencing that

[shy gate]

Or it could just not destroy a card

[round pilot]

Then that just makes its effect inconsistent with its description

[shy gate]

Well no it still does

You just don't have a hand

Its defently a cop out though