Spectral Card: Bonus

[half sparrow]

this is not particularly useful

[worthy elbow]

generate negative tags

[half sparrow]

negative tags are not useful

[worthy elbow]

they are if you can spawn them when you want

[half sparrow]

no

[worthy elbow]

YES

[half sparrow]

thats not how it works

if you get one in the shop it doesnt make the jokers in shop negative

it makes the next one after you reroll negative

[worthy elbow]

well that's silly

[half sparrow]

and the lack of control here makes it pretty useless

[worthy elbow]

how do you know

as far as I'm aware there's no way to do that right now

[half sparrow]

next base edition joker in shop is negative and free

[worthy elbow]

no

you're not understanding me

right now there's no way to spawn them while looking at the shop

[half sparrow]

and?

[worthy elbow]

how do you know it won't just apply to what's there

[half sparrow]

use intuition

[half sparrow]

also you can with mods

[worthy elbow]

my intuition was different to yours

[half sparrow]

its after the reroll

[worthy elbow]

well that's a shame

[half sparrow]

besides, how can you be sure you wont get like

a double tag, a speed tag, and a foil tag

😭

[worthy elbow]

the idea is you would have them saved up

[half sparrow]

...

[worthy elbow]

just open as many as you need

[half sparrow]

my point is that you cant save tags

because most of them are instant

and most of them are useless too

[worthy elbow]

im actually gonna stop posting ideas every single time people just complain

[half sparrow]

maybe they arent good ideas

[worthy elbow]

lol

well you would say that

[half sparrow]

im sure others would agree

[hasty trellis]

This is a really.. really funny conversation to read

3 tags for a spectral isnt a bad deal one bit, most tags are good

Its that skipping isnt worth a tags in 99.9% of scenarios

[autumn plinth]

Can anyone tell me what the original idea was because OP deleted it?

[hasty trellis]

I believe it was a spectral that created 3 random tags

[autumn plinth]

It seemed like it involved negative tags specifically

[hasty trellis]

^^^^

[half sparrow]

not good enough to warrant passing up some other spectrals

like an early immolate, an ecto when youve got your jokers...

idk it feels like familiar/incantation/grim

where its not particularly useful

just filler spectral

[hasty trellis]

All three of the rank based creators, gold seals, hex or ecto if you can't take them

[half sparrow]

gold seals are good

[hasty trellis]

This would be in the upper half of spectrals, and you can't change my mind of that. I definitely don't think it'd be the best

[hasty trellis]

A chance at 3$ per round vs 3 tags really depends on deck consistency IMO

[half sparrow]

thats true

but i dont like how rng this is

[hasty trellis]

Nothing i listed is bad either, just situationally good

[half sparrow]

because it could give you something crazy like

a negative+rare tag

[hasty trellis]

This is RNG, but consistently good

[half sparrow]

but also something awful like speed tag when youre playing reasonably

[half sparrow]

id argue its not consistent at all

[hasty trellis]

TBH

Orbital, Speed and Garbage would be the only bad finds IMO

Everything else is consistently going to be atleast useful

Acc

The one that makes 2 commons as well

I forget it's name

So 4/24 or 1/6 would be "bad finds"

[half sparrow]

top up

[hasty trellis]

Thank u

[viral cove]

Everyone happy? Great

[worthy elbow]

it was just this

I just thought negative/polychrome/holographic/foil would instantly activate if you gained one in the shop

this was what I thought intuitively given that it can't happen in game right now with current mechanics, but apparently it doesn't work like that

I don't like how isolated the tags are in the game

imo they feel disconnected from the rest of the game

[quasi mantle]

I agree that tags feel out of place almost

The balance range is insane, and they almost never are worth it outside of niche situations and early game money

[half sparrow]

yeah

[hasty trellis]

Well yeah but thats an issue with skipping and not the power of tags themselves; most tags are actually very useful, just not worth losing a full blinds worth of money, scaling and a whole shop

[icy bear]

Boss reroll, juggle, holo, foil, reroll tag whatever that’s called (d6?), uncommon. Personally I’d also add in the planet pack but that does.. something? It’s fine I guess but kinda stinky

I think half the tags completely suck, the other half being solid but not worth skipping for, and like 4 actually good ones worth a skip

[elfin granite]

did this get noped and what was the effect

because deleting the messages is annoying

[icy bear]

3 random tags

[elfin granite]

thanks

[hasty trellis]

I disagree with Juggle and reroll.. boss reroll (if I recall) wastes the boss reroll voucher use so id count it purely for having a solely negative interaction (just realized if yoy get a boss reroll from a random tag you usually DONT want a boss reroll, ignore that)

[hasty trellis]

I still think that'd be a consistently good deal for 3 random from a voucher, especially compared to stuff like Incantation (to a lesser degree Familar and Grim)

[icy bear]

Juggle is nice… if you get it at the perfect time, but randomly it kinda sucks

[hasty trellis]

Eh, i wouldnt feel scammed or upset from getting it out of a spectal, especially next to other tags.

[icy bear]

I think 3 tags as a spectral is decent, but barely strong enough to be worth considering. I’d take it over skip of course, but not over any of the spectrals that do things

[quasi mantle]

Early game this would be really useful

The spectral card I mean

Id consider take it over hex early just to get potentially more jokers

[elfin granite]

perkeo + this

goofy

[quasi mantle]

Perkeo plus everything is goofy tbf