#Transfer - Spectral Card

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high zinc
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Destroy left most joker, If it has Foil, Holographic, Polychrome, or Negative, Apply it to joker to the right of destroyed joker.

bold swift
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negative might be too op but idk

upbeat gale
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negative should not be compatible

kind plover
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it should not be a spectral

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if it has negitive

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and if it is a spectral card it should destroy all jokers (becuase this is better hex arguable)

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also what if you try destroying a eternal joker does it lose its edition

nova geyser
rigid plover
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Infinite jokers theoretically?

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Wait no

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Negative tag -> Useless joker, use Transfer into a good joker you want

nova geyser
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Mhm. Regardless getting a transfer in a spectral pack and finding a negative (be it natural or tag) is RNG in it of itself so it’s a worthy payoff

summer elbow
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Yeah this seems pretty fair to me

steel sigil
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A good way to reduce RNG in high runs without removing it or being too strong

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Needs a more spectral sounding name but perfect concept imo

kind plover
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It's just better than hex though and maybe even ectoplasm is

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I think it needs to be a bit weaker but I like the idea

nova geyser
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Those create enhancements

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This requires you to already have them

topaz wing
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I dislike this cause we already have a spectral for negatives, and if we ignore negatives with this then it’s hella weak

topaz wing
kind plover
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If it was a joker id like how it was designed rn

topaz wing
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Hex’s place is early game, this is only usable once you have a few jokers already

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I don’t think this invalidates hex, it’s just a weak effect altogether

kind plover
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Ehhhh it does puch hex even further into that architype then

steel sigil
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Hex being bad doesn't mean this effect shouldn't be good

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Theres still a reason to use the other negative spectral (can't remember name)

nova geyser
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?

steel sigil
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Yeah

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Without an already existing negative joker transfer doesn't do anything

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I mean, it can move a polychrome I guess which is nice for ante 8. Better then negative for ante 8 usually.

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But transfer still requires you to skip or get insanely lucky and find a negative in shop

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(Transfer perkeo anaglyph sounds very very fun)

nova geyser
scarlet heron
steel sigil
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The issue is that right now it's too difficult and costly to do so most high runs just die out

kind plover
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And thats good

steel sigil
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And more negatives will allow more strategies to work for longer since you will have space

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Not really?

kind plover
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High score runs shouldn't be easy

steel sigil
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You're at the mercy of rng

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It's not skill, it's luck. luck has to stay in the game but it's pretty demotivating to only be able to go far every 5th run or so

kind plover
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Arguably high score runs still have plenty strategy

steel sigil
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They have strategy yes but they're still way too inconsistent

kind plover
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And like thats like saying we should remove plant because it ends runs

kind plover
steel sigil
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Don't remove plant, add options

kind plover
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The strategic ectoplasm is quietimportant

steel sigil
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Hard options ideally but face cards shouldn't be the one and only chance you have

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Ectoplasm is still important here

kind plover
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If we allow this though it will make naninf runs far to much leniency. You'll see dozens of nat negatives meaning the ecto is almost always something you shouldn't take

steel sigil
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That's a risk in itself, hinging on finding the transfer

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Ectoplasm can be safer sometimes

kind plover
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They are both spectral cards?

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Its not like this is like soul or black hole

steel sigil
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Hex is also a spectral card

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Spectral cards are not all used in the same ways so have different power levels

kind plover
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Yeah bit your arguement relies on that finding transfer is hard

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Ectoplasm and transfer would have the same odds

steel sigil
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I don't see how else you'd balance out getting more useful negatives, but I think we need more sources of negatives and this is a fun and interesting way of doing so

kind plover
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Its fun

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But i think it either needs to have a downside

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Ie destroy all jokers

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Or be a joker so the used joker slot will be the downside

steel sigil
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How would it work as a joker?

kind plover
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Upon selling Destroy leftmost joker give edition to joker to the right

steel sigil
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That would quickly burn through your jokers lol

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Probably would work if it was inverted

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Oh gotcha

kind plover
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Yeah sorry

steel sigil
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You're good

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Would suck if you got it from like Judgement though

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Maybe after 1 round it activates? It is pretty strong even still I think

kind plover
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I mean yeah I just added the upon selling

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And i mean i just think its more balanced than a spectral card at least

steel sigil
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It's decent, it's just not addressing the issue quite as much because jokers arent easy to find

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And not in the skillful it takes effort

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But in the way that I've spent 400 dollars without seeing baron

kind plover
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Id argue transfer isnt skillful as you always transfer to your strongest joner

steel sigil
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Wouldn't you do that with this joker annyways

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Transfer aims to make high runs more possible on any seed, so long as you play well (luck still required of course)

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Joker version just can't solve that when it's a 1/151 to even find

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Well the odds work out different, but still very stacked against you

kind plover
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Yes but it at least makes that effect harder to earn

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I think the spectral as it is now is to powerful and would make endless go on too longfor most runs

steel sigil
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Endless needs some tweaks as well since the game wasn't designed for it

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A sorta pop out UI once you get too many cards/jokers, and speedups on calculations

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Ik mods add those but it's not mobile compatible

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Thunk doesn't balance around endless unfortunately so it's not too likely we'll get things like this

kind plover
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I don't mind as endless is supposed to be a quick end

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Designing for the naninfers is weird

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Most players will never

steel sigil
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I don't think a part of the game should be so unfinished that the game breaks

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It doesnt necessarily have to be priority, but I think it should be fixed after main content is implemented

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And endless balance isnt just for naneinfers, but those who just want to push their build farther.

light rover
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honestly i think endless growing so fast it breaks the game at ante 39 is kinda cool

steel sigil
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The game even tracks you having reached Ante...16? I believe

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I dont necessarily think calculations need to go past ante 39

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But itd be nice if the scoring effects didnt take 2 years and break the visuals and audio

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Some of those bugs are pretty painful to look at/hear

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And itd be nice if I could see anything if my 40 card pile

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40 cards isnt even endless exclusive if you get like ante 1 perkeo with bp/brainstorm

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Its so difficult to sort through the consumables without some kind of menu or grouping being added

kind plover
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Pushing your run further and making endless more seamless is diffrent

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Performance for sure needs to be tuned

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But making endless easier doesn't

steel sigil
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I think options are important

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Endless is a little too reliant on too many factors

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Like not getting the plant, when theres so few counters

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I still want the game to be primarily balanced around ante 8

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And one more thing i'd like to see is more consistent legendaries as long as its difficult

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Its veryyy tricky to balance that of course

kind plover
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Legendary are supposed to be a shocking surprise

steel sigil
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One thing All in jest does that I like is the skip tag that gives you a perishable legendary. Decent on its own especially in the context of the legendaries it has to offer. But theres a spectral card, Trefoil, that lets you reroll a Joker into same rarity. Which happens to remove stickers

kind plover
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Like I know you don't wanna remove all luck but thats one thing that it sounds like

harsh sparrow
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What does 🔥 mean? gros_michel

steel sigil
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Its a fire idea

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I think its just the nature of playing so long

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I'm not all that shocked when I see legendaries anymore

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So I just want to be like...able to use the content in the game, especially if it takes a lot of skill and planning on my part

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I felt so clever when I got a perishable legendary Joker that had the effect "Creates a spectral card of your choice at end of boss blind" and I created Trefoil. I didn't even know if it would remove stickers, I got to figure that out organically

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But if something like that were to be added, that skip tag would have to be like an unlockable or something

kind plover
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That sounds like a larger issue

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I mean for me playing vanilla+ mods is what does it for me

steel sigil
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Same here, but i sadly cant play them on mobile

kind plover
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I mean i could use winlater

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And emulate it

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But yeah not ideal

scarlet heron
# steel sigil Joker version just can't solve that when it's a 1/151 to even find

This is why if you're doing a deep endless run that needs a very specific setup you need to be prioritizing economy over scoring. If you have $10,000 rolling for any specific joker is tedious but more or less completely possible. The entire idea behind Balatro is making the rare and impossible into the inevitable, and that includes the shop.

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Also 151?

steel sigil
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Yeah it occured to me the math is far more complex then that

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Would depend the rarity of the joker, and I dont care enough to figure out how rare itd be. Rare enough is the answer though

violet river
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How would this interact with eternal jokers?

steel sigil
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Doesnt destroy but removes edition maybe? Or just doesnt work.

violet river
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I'd go with it just not working, otherwise you're basically just circumventing the downside