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topaz tinsel
tough dome
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hello yes

topaz tinsel
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to do thus far: consumables based on the web idle game Evolve

tough dome
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send the spritesheet again thanks

topaz tinsel
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quantum level boosts a lot of random manufacturing stuff from what im reading

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blood stones and artifacts are only used for upgrades, to my knowledge

tough dome
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so is the idea that these have small permanent effects on the run?

topaz tinsel
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that, and they would probably compound the more copies you use

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so NY where N is benefits and Y is number of copies used in the run?
unless that would be too busted

tough dome
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i mean that could work

topaz tinsel
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the supercoiled plasmids are basically just stronger plasmids that aren't affected by the challenge that disables their bonus

tough dome
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if plasmid and antiplasmid are perma mult/chips then supercoiled plasmid could be perma xmult / plasmadeck balance?

topaz tinsel
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that would be interesting

tough dome
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  • plasmid: perma mult?
  • phage:
  • dark energy:
  • h. crystal:
  • bloodstone:
  • artifact:
  • ai core: perma probabilities?
  • supercoiled p.:
  • antiplasmid: perma chips?
topaz tinsel
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phage mostly just boosts the amount of effective plasmids you can have and also lets you make your traits better for future runs
dark energy does. a lot
harmony crystals boost dark energy and i believe they let you activate pillars for permanent boosts too

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dawg what is this

tough dome
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what universe is balatro in

topaz tinsel
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Good question.

tough dome
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i would assume standard(?)

topaz tinsel
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it would be funny/stupid if it depended on the deck but ill probably say either standard or magic

tough dome
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how rare would these consumeables be actually

topaz tinsel
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probably fairly uncommon since this game takes a good while

tough dome
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in that case. storage capacity could be joker slots(???)

topaz tinsel
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very slow progression of joker slots
it is kind of like antimatter actually isn't it

tough dome
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oh true

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cost creep could be shop discounts / free rerolls?

topaz tinsel
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it would be funny if harmony crystal slightly boosted the odds of editions appearing but idk, maybe for something else
cost creep is "how fast things increase in price" so rerolls/prices could work

cloud vector
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can you add jimbo

topaz tinsel
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if i can turn jimbo into the valdi, maybe

topaz tinsel
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phage could possibly be hand size, or even selection limit
(ai core could also be selection limit actually…)

tough dome
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true

topaz tinsel
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since phage is mostly used for buying stuff in genetics/crispr, so if you’re gonna give yourself weird mutations in order to play poker you might as well make your hands bigger

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let me list all these if i recall:
-plasmids: +mult
-phage: hand size
-dark energy: joker slots
-harmony crystal: shop prices?
-blood stone: ?
-artifact: shop slots?
-supercoiled plasmid: Xmult?
-ai core: selection limit
-anti-plasmid: +chips

tough dome
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so these would all individually scale their own future next uses?

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or would they share a scaling counter

topaz tinsel
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probably scale individually just so that in the (unlikely) event of you somehow getting a perkeo printer with one the others won’t also explode horribly

tough dome
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true

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"special upgrades" reminds me of vouchers so maybe. voucher slots??

topaz tinsel
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voucher slots in the shop. possibly for artifacts, assuming you dont run out of vouchers
or just shop slots in general. maybe like what cryptid’s Multistock does?

tough dome
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the main issue with a bunch of these is that +1 is a ton but you can't really split it

topaz tinsel
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you could have dark energy give consumable slots, and then maybe alternate between that and joker slots at increasing intervals (so like C-J-C-C-J-C-C-C-J and so on)

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…or something like that.

tough dome
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perchance

topaz tinsel
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idk if “increasingly more uses required per payout” is betterr than just, say, a flat 5 or so needed to payout since i think these are meant to be a bit rare
where would they even spawn?
-maybe rarely replacing consumables in packs by default
-vouchers to let them spawn in shop or as their own packs, like how balatro hevven does it?

tough dome
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i would assume they would have their own packs

topaz tinsel
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tomorrow i might make packs and/or vouchers for them if i have the capacity

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so to my knowledge based on their effects:
-plasmids, antiplasmids, maybe harmony crystals and supercoiled plasmids give their effects multiplied by their number of uses in the run
-phage, artifacts and ai cores probably give their effects in increasing intervals of the amount used
-dark energy does the above, but probably with an additional slower increasing payout of consumable slots. Though maybe that could be moved to blood stones?

tough dome
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first kind:
x. increase all future CARDNAME's strength by y

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idk how the second kind would be templated actually

topaz tinsel
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probably similar to color cards, i’d imagine?

tough dome
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perchance

topaz tinsel
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color cards but with more cursed scaling

tough dome
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X
Cooldown - 1
(progress bar if on cooldown?)
[infobox]
Cooldown N
When successfully used, prevents
effects of next N uses of [CARDNAME],
then increases N by 1

topaz tinsel
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X
Gives Y every N uses
After payout, increase uses required by 1
[# boxes like what color cards use, would turn into X/Y if denominator is high enough]

tough dome
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true

tough dome
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what would this consumeable type be called btw

topaz tinsel
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hmm…
probably Prestige Cards, thats the only thing i can think of

tough dome
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missingnumber can you draw a mod tag

topaz tinsel
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when i wake up tomorrow i can try
itll probably be a weird round one like the ones i made for bh and finity though

tough dome
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got it

wintry timber
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when was this here

topaz tinsel
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idk a couple hours ago

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i guess this is going to be a thing that exists

tough dome
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what colour would you say prestige cards are

topaz tinsel
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probably a similar dark grey as their backing tbh

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i forget what color their text is in evolve since im not at my pc :/

tough dome
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what the plasmid

topaz tinsel
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Real

tough dome
topaz tinsel
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Fun

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Go my wiggly purple orb

tough dome
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keyword off to the side

topaz tinsel
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real

tough dome
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actually i might make them all use the cooldown? for uniformity

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so the player only has to remember one thing

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though maybe not

tough dome
topaz tinsel
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the

topaz tinsel
topaz tinsel
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what a mess

topaz tinsel
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slight fix

topaz tinsel
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should there be a skip tag for these too
presumably just a small pack like the spectral tag but it can be mega instead if you'd prefer

topaz tinsel
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Bad concept dump:
-reward card (pta crossmod): “Apotheosis”, gives prestige cards (somehow)
-assuming it hasn’t been done already: rare spectral that spits out a random rare spectral (for no reason.)
-deck that’s basically ghost deck but with prestige cards?
-alternatively: set of vouchers for prestige cards, possibly with an Omen Globe-like

cloud vector
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im ptaing it

topaz tinsel
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straight Risk Pack-ing it rn

topaz tinsel
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i apologize if im being obnoxious with all my bad ideas, it will probably happen again

tough dome
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oh no it's fine

topaz tinsel
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-fortune teller-like for prestige cards? maybe if it was like. the Valdi
-joker that generates prestige cards. atomic bomb for MAD lol
-things that aren’t just Evolve references. maybe i should redraw that one diner dash 5 cutscene that i think is funny
-potentially consider offloading some of my entropy ideas here, more than likely: cups tarots, Group Picture, Through the Jokers and Spades
-draw a dismantled rubik’s cube for no reason.

topaz tinsel
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Mutual Assured Destruction

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this joker will more than likely create prestige cards

topaz tinsel
topaz tinsel
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whatever. Go my weird fakemon

topaz tinsel
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its name is Paraquiet i should probably send its page on pokengine

topaz tinsel
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i think blood stone could be consumable slots maybe

tough dome
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perchance

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ill probably have a second row for cooldowns

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or like. second set of rows

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actually how many of these would be scalers as opposed to cooldowns

topaz tinsel
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probably just the three plasmids honestly

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oh should i make a shiny version of paraquiet too just for fun

tough dome
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what the pokermon

topaz tinsel
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i would make it an actual pokermon card but i cant be bothered actually going onto the server just to grab the bases

mossy thorn
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what about +probability

tough dome
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i was thinking that yes

mossy thorn
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also hi i have invaded

tough dome
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hello Autumn

mossy thorn
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hi :3 krisdog

topaz tinsel
mossy thorn
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mh, are these intended to be universally effective in every run?

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but uhhhhh random other thing: booster pack slots?

topaz tinsel
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no they're just for the current run i think

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-this is my mod, technically

mossy thorn
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sorry krisdog

topaz tinsel
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shiny version

tough dome
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no way....

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ill probably take the scaler off s.plasmid it's wayy too strong with it

topaz tinsel
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you could probably make it something like +0.1

tough dome
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it was +0.1 base

topaz tinsel
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ah

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maybe you could see if a smaller value would still work, if not its fine

tough dome
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im going to leave it at +0.1 scaler

topaz tinsel
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aight

tough dome
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time to make cooldowns work

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why does it do this ....

topaz tinsel
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slide to the left

tough dome
topaz tinsel
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Real

tough dome
topaz tinsel
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woah!

tough dome
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awesome

topaz tinsel
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wide energy

tough dome
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true,

topaz tinsel
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this is going to be one of the mods ever

tough dome
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the only remaining ones are harmony crystal bloodstone and artifact

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i might make harmony crystal free rerolls because shop discounts either are way too effective or do like nothing

topaz tinsel
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fair

tough dome
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time to make Booster Pack

topaz tinsel
tough dome
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give me two more joker sprites i will implement them and first version will be real

topaz tinsel
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i can try
might see if i can open anti-idle in jpexs and grab the tukkunfcg cards

topaz tinsel
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gonna make tukkunfcg jokers but first im gonna try to draw this as a rare spectral for fun
now: Code Fu, when used, creates a card in your hand corresponding to what you would most likely need at the time.
for example a Meteor Rain if your opponent is at low health, or a Cure if you're at high Poison (full table on the right, feel free to ask questions)
so realistically there should be a table of conditions, and Code Fu should look into it to determine what the best course of action is when it is used (maybe giving money if money is low, removing perishable stickers, giving joker slots?)
Could be anything, but it can only choose the one effect that would be most appropriate. It should be consistent, never random.

tough dome
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hm

topaz tinsel
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first i need to actually establish what the fcg jokers will look like. here's Perma-Monster (original card on the right)
i imagine this would work as a dagger that instead steals the +mult, +chips and Xmult (and possibly some others like Xchips or exponents if you feel like being evil) of the joker it destroys. so its destroying the jokers (thus freeing space) but perma-ing the stats onto itself, like it does ingame (destroys the monster and gives its atk/def/hp to you)

tough dome
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i dont know how you would steal those stats specifically

topaz tinsel
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yeah thats what i was gonna say

cloud vector
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this is very dependent on like. the names of variables if its like that

topaz tinsel
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if you think you have a better idea for this one you can tell me im gonna draw code fu real quick

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obligatory soul layer

topaz tinsel
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your fifth joker as promised: Energy Supercharge
im not too sure what to do with this so ill let you think of something

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as for the other jokers i posted before:
-Mutually Assured Destruction: the main idea is that it generates Prestige Cards
-Dismantled Cube and Paraquiet: I'm not actually sure. I just wanted to draw them. Paraquiet's Shiny form could appear rarely in place of the regular art, or you could force it with Pokermon's Shiny edition if that's detected (even though i personally dont use it)

tough dome
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when sold: adds a random enhanced card of each suit and also two stone cards to hand

topaz tinsel
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ooo

tough dome
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is white a colour in this game actually

topaz tinsel
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balatro or fcg?

tough dome
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fcg i guess

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or is it like colourless

topaz tinsel
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fcg has 5 colors of energy: Red, Green, Yellow, Blue and White

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White is mostly used for expensive cards with powerful tradeoffs, most notably Code Fu and Awesome Face (which I have planned)

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it's one of the games ever

topaz tinsel
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one more for good measure before i get off the pc for today: Elite Inferno

topaz tinsel
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Awesome Face and Dream Book
hoping to get some more of these fcg jokers done today

topaz tinsel
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Defense Removal too

tough dome
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actually ill just post the current version to github

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ill do the jokers in a bit

topaz tinsel
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balatro mod???

tough dome
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oops i forgot to add the logo

topaz tinsel
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color card when

tough dome
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when i get around to it

topaz tinsel
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this is going to be the mod ever

tough dome
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so true

topaz tinsel
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mind if i share this with the evolve server

tough dome
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i dont see why not

topaz tinsel
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its cold as hell but i kind of wanna get back on my pc to do more random stuff

topaz tinsel
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got inspired by another game i remember enjoying so heres yet another joker:
The Key To My Heart
based on the sub-game of the same name that's part of Take Something Literally, a duology of puzzle games

mossy thorn
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the default value for XMult in the menu is 0.2 despite supercoiled plasmid starting at 0.1

tough dome
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uh. oops

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fixed on main

topaz tinsel
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Alpine Lily
yet another very specific flash game reference

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this one is a game/toy called Seed where you uh. mutate plants. and thats it

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ive drawn 11 jokers for this mod already and like 5 of them are just fcg

topaz tinsel
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and here's another: Orange Flummery, probably a food joker

topaz tinsel
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the two planned green cards, Cockatrice King and Poison Heal

topaz tinsel
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and the blue cards, Holy Symbol and Stat Wipeout

topaz tinsel
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this one will probably require weird drawstep stuff to make it actually centered but
Emotional Support (a joker that's actually Partner crossmod. What heresy)
More than likely a scaling +Mult or +Chips that scales whenever a Partner triggers. Shouldn't show up if you don't have Partner or if you chose no Partner in your current run
it's my emotional support VV

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violetposting today

tough dome
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development begins today

topaz tinsel
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real

tough dome
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what the 0 error

topaz tinsel
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KILL

tough dome
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apparently prestiges were off by one. fixed

topaz tinsel
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another food joker: Croque Madame
hmm...

tough dome
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could be money based (Eggs)

topaz tinsel
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true

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some possible concepts:
-Alpine Lily: starts with a basic effect (maybe just a regular +4 mult), gradually mutates randomly (could have a chance at end of round to: increase or decrease its value, change to giving +chips or Xmult or even +$ or something, gain or lose effects (it should never be able to lose an effect if it only has 1))
-The Key to My Heart: while active, adds two special rankless/suitless cards to your deck (one would be a key, the other would be a lock). one can't be played in a hand without the other, if both are played together you get some benefit out of it. the cards can't be copied or destroyed normally, they should be immune to stickers in case of cryptid. if they somehow are removed they should be recreated at start of round. the cards are removed properly if KMH is removed from your slots (for this i would need to create a Lock and a Key enhancement)
i should make enhancements actually

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cant think of a better idea for Perma-Monster that isnt either basically impossible to code or literally just an existing pta joker :/

topaz tinsel
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Dream Book should definitely involve hand size, and possibly selection limit too.

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actually here's just the lineup of the original fcg effects to compare

tender pebble
tough dome
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for vv flavour

topaz tinsel
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that would fit yeah

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also: i brought up partner and it summoned the cat, what are the odds

topaz tinsel
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ideas to draq when i get home:
-ask UNIK if i can draw him as the true crime streets of la hand with gun meme
-KILL/Live
-Mr Big's stupid face in that one cutscene
-partners?
-joker that is in toki pona
-panepon

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-enhancements, and possibly tarots too
-prestige card reward card for pta
-decks?

tough dome
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do you have any ideas for paraquiet

topaz tinsel
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stupid idea:
-chance to "poison" scored cards, draining maybe half their chips (or maybe -1 rank?) and giving some corresponding scaling benefit to paraquiet?

tough dome
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hm maybe

topaz tinsel
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if we go with rank draining it probably shouldn't drain past 2 (i.e back to Ace)

tough dome
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1 in 2 chance to reduce rank
of scored cards by 1. this joker
gets +5 chips for each card drained

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unless mult would be more flavourful

topaz tinsel
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whatever you think sounds good

tough dome
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idk its your fakemon

topaz tinsel
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(wee joker synergy???)

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i feel like chips might work

tough dome
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i mean it has higher spatk which i feel is like mult

topaz tinsel
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true

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yeah maybe +mult then?

tough dome
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will do

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i mean it could be xmult and a rare,

topaz tinsel
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maybe if i make its mega evolution

tough dome
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True

signal hamlet
tough dome
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what the 0 error

topaz tinsel
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REAL

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would it be more clear if it said "cannot reduce ranks below 2"?

tough dome
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hm, maybe

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but that'd have to add another line

topaz tinsel
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"1 in 2 chance to reduce the
ranks of played cards, gains
+1 Mult for every rank lost
(Currently +1 Mult)
(Cannot reduce ranks past 2)"
this is probably not very good writing on my part but

tough dome
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oh sure

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yeah this works probably

topaz tinsel
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gaming

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here's Lip Balm; i can imagine it would probably prevent a set number of drawn cards from being debuffed before Fucking Dying

topaz tinsel
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"HE HAS A GUN"
i actually do have an idea for this one
all 7s are forceselected (i.e. like Cerulean Bell), scored 7s gain some kind of permanent bonus to Chips
maybe also make 7s not count towards selection limit to prevent softlocks?

signal hamlet
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funny effect
anyways, looks nice!

topaz tinsel
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i thought it would be funny

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plus i already had the actual "hand with gun" image on my computer as a ref so

topaz tinsel
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what jokers have effect ideas so far that i can think of

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-HE HAS A GUN: forceselecting and boosting 7s
-Alpine Lily: basic effect that randomly mutates and grows
-The Key To My Heart: creates special cards that boost your score when played together
-Energy Supercharge: creates random enhanced cards when sold, possible Egg-like?
-Lip Balm: anti-debuff food joker
-Emotional Support: Blind size reduction that scales with Partner triggers
-Croque Madame: economy-based food joker, possibly turning cards Gold and giving them Gold Seals?
-Defense Removal: i imagine something like Luchador except reduces blind size instead

topaz tinsel
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EVIL notmario be like:
scored cards give x4 chips if hand is a Four of a Kind

topaz tinsel
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Lockout
possibly does something if the only possible hand in your held cards is High Card?

topaz tinsel
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more Evolve-related nonsense:
Valdi - possible chance of applying a used prestige card twice? that or just scaling from using prestige cards

cloud vector
topaz tinsel
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possible special enhancements for The Key To My Heart

topaz tinsel
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fuck it. literally just a bunch of my ocs as legendaries (all definitely suit-related)
from top to bottom:
-Zhorie von Llery: Diamonds
-Anise Hartwell: Clubs
-Milquetoast Eigengrau: Wild/New suit?
-Phil Lovejoy: Hearts
-Cottle Skye: Spades

topaz tinsel
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I FORGOT THE FUCKING STRIPES ON THE BLUE CARDS DAMN IT

topaz tinsel
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forcing myself to do at least something productive:
Sharps Bin
I imagine this would have to do with Glass cards breaking.

topaz tinsel
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idea for a new suit, tentatively named Brights
-blue is lc, purple is hc
-in order: 2-A, V (Finity), Nil (Entropy)
-brights act as both any suit and their own suit (might change if this is too stupid)
-i will probably make relative jokers and/or consumables for them tomorrow
-suit legendary: Milquetoast Eigengrau

mossy thorn
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those are so prettyyyyy

topaz tinsel
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why thank you, there was an attempt

tough dome
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would these function like sixsuits extra suits or bunco extra suits

topaz tinsel
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based on what i think i know: probably bunco
they shouldn’t appear in standard packs at all. they could be obtainable through certain jokers’ effects, definitely either a suit tarot or spectral, maybe a deck that starts with them

tough dome
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okay so bunco. got it

topaz tinsel
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milquetoast’s (suit legendary) effect could probably have a chance of turning scored cards into Brights, and having some sort of additional boost off that
i need to come up with the other suit legendary effects too though..,
also todo: sin joker, mineral joker, suit tarot/spectral, some other stuff with them maybe

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i apologize for dumping like 29 jokers plus some other stuff on you by the way. i cant imagine having to code all this

tough dome
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oh it's fine

topaz tinsel
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what are your next plans by the way
(doesn’t have to be today)

tough dome
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do the fcg cards now that usable jokers work

topaz tinsel
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Real

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now that that’s a thing that exists, we can do some interesting things with it

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Dream Book and Cockatrice King would both definitely involve drawing extra cards in some way. Maybe Dream Book could also give a temporary +1 selection limit?

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we really should get like a doc where we can write down all these planned joker effects :/

tough dome
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you can make one yeah

topaz tinsel
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when im at my computer i can try fiddling with google docs

tough dome
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sure

topaz tinsel
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(its like 9:50pm here though)
this is going to be one of the mods ever

tough dome
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true

topaz tinsel
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these two
Despondent Joker and Star Sapphire, the obligatory Brights suit jokers

topaz tinsel
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gonna make the sheet now

topaz tinsel
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ok ive added everything that currently has art

topaz tinsel
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deck: start with a single full set (2-A) of Brights (and no other cards)
what do i name this thing

cloud vector
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bejeweled

topaz tinsel
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here's your tarot

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The Light - Converts up to 3 selected cards to Brights

topaz tinsel
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wtf 4dopt in balala
"Hater" - possibly a passive scaling +mult based on your owned jokers. since 4dopt is a silly virtual adopt site

tough dome
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awesome face is real now

topaz tinsel
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real

tough dome
topaz tinsel
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high quality video game

cunning moat
topaz tinsel
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Sacred Pyre (with two different variants)
when you first get it, it should be something similar to a food joker with a powerful effect that diminishes over time (rainbow flame)
when it destroys itself and you find it again, it gives a weaker flat boost instead (white flame)

cunning moat
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Game crashed when I hovered over the purple demon girl thing

topaz tinsel
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1: not a demon, not a girl, it’s a fakemon
2: is your smods up to date

mossy thorn
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is it genderless or male only then

topaz tinsel
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its a species

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it doesnt matter what gender it is, its more than one individual creature

topaz tinsel
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Konpeito
more than likely a Brights-related food joker

topaz tinsel
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Mirror Shard
not too sure what to do with this.

topaz tinsel
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now with rankless aikoshen thingy

topaz tinsel
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an attempt at drawing an enhancement
Sunsteel Card (or Hihi'irokane Card, whichever sounds less shit) - why am i thinking Ascension Power on this? Either that or like a steel card that's weaker if you have only a few but more powerful if you have multiple in your hand

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thats a bit more readable

topaz tinsel
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brights deck sleeve

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deck/sleeve effect: start with a single 2-A set of Brights
combination effect: start with 2 sets of Brights?

mossy thorn
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maybe the combo effect could be "brights appear in standard packs" but idk how against that you are

topaz tinsel
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really just going based off what i think i know

mossy thorn
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-# sorry bulbaSip

topaz tinsel
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might make some vouchers if i can think of any

topaz tinsel
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prestige reward card or something i guess

cloud vector
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wtf !!

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@grizzled bloom

grizzled bloom
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Whoa...

topaz tinsel
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going to attempt to clarify a definitive idea here for Alpine Lily:

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starts with a basic ability: “+4 Mult”
this ability has a good chance (maybe 3 in 4?) of mutating at the end of round.
“Mutating”, in this context, means that one of its effects can change in any of the following ways:
-it gains or loses value (so it could become +6 Mult instead), with losing value being weighted slightly lower than gaining value
-it changes its operator (it could go from + to X), weighted very low
-it changes what it outputs (either Mult, Chips or $ - conversion between +Chips and other outputs (including XChips) should be multiplied by 10 or so)
-it gains (maximum of 3) a new effect, weighted slightly lower
-it loses (minimum of 1) an existing effect, weighted very low

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so from the start its ability should read:
“+4 Mult
3 in 4 chance to mutate at end of round”

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the game/toy it originates from (Seed) features a toggle that lets you watch the silly plants mutate on their own, where they slowly morph randomly into some big crazy thing

tough dome
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okay ill do that at some point

topaz tinsel
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as for Dream Book, i had this idea based on its fcg effect:
“Use this Joker to draw extra cards equal to your hand size and gain +1 card selection limit until end of round”
It would probably have a cooldown of some sort so you can’t abuse it every single round…

topaz tinsel
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The Flame
gives the Sunsteel Card enhancement (obviously)

cloud vector
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long ass roman numerals 😭

topaz tinsel
#

i need that sweet sweet goroawase cred ok

topaz tinsel
#

i have lost all braincells

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Prestige Tree (wow how original)
another prestige card joker id imagine.

topaz tinsel
#

vouchers

topaz tinsel
#

apparently ive been told that there's an issue with retriggers breaking completely with this mod?

tough dome
#

oh?

topaz tinsel
#

idk exactly if it is a 0 ERROR issue or if its another weird thing but ive seen like two people mention it now

robust shell
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missing

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i dare you to make a valorant ability

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in all this nonsense

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also cool mod

topaz tinsel
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i dont play valorant

robust shell
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but

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:)

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itd be cool

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also the icons are simple

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and also they could be consumables

topaz tinsel
#

i am not interested in valorant

topaz tinsel
#

cryptid vc is going mental so this happened
Violet Vessel?

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(the joke here being that its Violet V. Virtue from Ortalab instead)

cloud vector
topaz tinsel
#

bad idea to draw when im home: Coles commercial foam finger

tough dome
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1 in 2 chance to discount shop prices or something

topaz tinsel
#

yeah i was thinking something like that

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also hi

tough dome
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hello

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trying to make permamonster now

topaz tinsel
#

ooo

tough dome
topaz tinsel
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lol

tough dome
topaz tinsel
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that's 4 ERROR

teal heart
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literally unplayable

topaz tinsel
#

theres like three decent names that could fit this
Foam Finger/Market Crash/Down Down
1 in 2 chance to discount shop items by 50% when entering the shop (those numbers can be adjusted if needed)

signal hamlet
#

Down down
Cause that sounds familiar to me

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And thats the ad slogan

topaz tinsel
#

unik are you an aussie too

signal hamlet
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Yes

topaz tinsel
#

O_O another aussie
didnt think id ever see one here

signal hamlet
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Well theres another
The Dollar cards/ joker dollar may be one sign of it

tough dome
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trying to figure out how to get it to reload but permamonster is probably almost done

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wait it actually works now. wtf

topaz tinsel
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damn

tough dome
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on github Now

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wait i forgot to make it recharge. oops one moment

topaz tinsel
#

fancy

tough dome
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almost certainly should lower that xmult

topaz tinsel
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hmmm

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doc is now up to date

topaz tinsel
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"Receipt" and "QR Code"
receipt will obviously be shop-related but qr code im not sure on
fun fact: both the qr code and the bar code should be fully readable

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QR Code's graphics should probably be handled similarly to Emotional Support.

topaz tinsel
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"Star-Colored Sky"
another Brights-related one

tough dome
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awesome

topaz tinsel
#

lmao

ember acorn
#

Whuh

topaz tinsel
#

Witness
what even...

teal heart
#

Whoa

robust shell
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how about snake but a joker instead

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IM A GENIUS

topaz tinsel
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behold, a tag

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i wonder, could a Brights flush technically constitute a specflush?

topaz tinsel
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"E"
the three soul layers should cycle/animate slowly
probably suit-related, i imagine it picks a secret suit in your deck every hand/round and scales when its played.

topaz tinsel
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because i can:
Suit Yourself Card
rankless, counts as any suit.
potential ideas for an extra effect:
-scales in value based on number of unique suits either scored or held
-spits out the combined chip value of all other scored cards (that aren't other SY cards) - set a default chip value of 24 or something if it somehow has no valid chip values to copy

topaz tinsel
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assuming i dont die in my sleep ill probably make a tarot or something for this

topaz tinsel
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The Choice - Enhance (1?) selected card into a Suit Yourself Card

topaz tinsel
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to draw:
-Suit Yourself Card synergy jokers
-Sunsteel Card synergy jokers
-a Playdate?
-Partners
-Cryptid suit and enhancement deck backs

topaz tinsel
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Venture Card/Venture Card 100
your obligatory Suit Yourself Card synergy jonkler

topaz tinsel
#

cryptid suit/enhancement subdecks
Brights Deck, Suit Yourself Deck, Sunsteel Deck

topaz tinsel
topaz tinsel
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sorry i JUST realized i fucked something up

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here we go

devout brook
#

on the first sight of seeing this i thought 0 error prevented the error handler (aka. crash screen)

truly 0 error

topaz tinsel
#

o.O

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literally just a playdate

topaz tinsel
#

"Dragonsthorn"
more sunsteel synergy raaaah

topaz tinsel
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and its counterpart, "Brilliance"
steel/gold synergy?

vast spoke
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yello!!

topaz tinsel
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hi

topaz tinsel
#

to do:
-like 20 or 30 jokers, most need actual effects figured out
-1 new suit with crossmod support for finity, entropy and aikoshen
-2 new enhancements
-3 tarot cards, 1 PTA reward card
-skip tag for prestige cards
-prestige pack music (already composed, ready to implement)
-1 new deck, plus cryptid subdecks for suit and enhancements

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other possible things i should probably do:
-move entropy concepts here (1 new consumable type, a handful more jokers)
-challenges
-partners?

topaz tinsel
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concepts for when tukkunfcg jokers are fully implemented:
-booster pack for only fcg jokers
-tag system for people to make crossmod fcg jokers? related to above
-challenge: no jokers, joker booster packs or joker spawning consumables spawn, start run by opening a fcg joker pack

topaz tinsel
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setting up more stuff on the doc

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and officially declaring that Cups Cards are moving to 0 ERROR, which means they need effects that. I can't actually think of rn

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also moving the following jokers here that will likely be Cups-related:
-Prince of Cups
-Violet's Vessel
-Viscount

topaz tinsel
#

jokers will be added to the doc tomorrow

topaz tinsel
#

jokers are in doc now

topaz tinsel
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uploading miscellaneous information to the doc now

topaz tinsel
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third very unnecessary consumable concept:
Elements (from... Elements. Wow, how original!)
id have to actually draw them but here is what they look like in the source material

top to bottom, left to right:
Fire, Earth, Water, Air, Cosmos (i can see these five being suit-related somehow)
Lava, Forest, Geyser, Lightning, Rain, Tornado
Star, Planet, Nebula, Comet
Wild, Philosopher's Stone (would probably be the Rare Spectral)

topaz tinsel
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what do we think of this for a base

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based on the book pages the elements are on ingame

topaz tinsel
#

going to eepy now
progress: 3/17

vast spoke
topaz tinsel
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we've got the first 5 + rare spectral

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fire: Hearts
earth: Spades
water: Clubs
air: Diamonds
cosmos: Brights

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still not sure what effects they should have but

topaz tinsel
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oh and heres these two as well.

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almost halfway done with these

topaz tinsel
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alright these are done, now i just need the Cosmos pair elements and Wild

topaz tinsel
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oh look they're done

topaz tinsel
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wait shit

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fixed literally one pixel

mossy thorn
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these are so pretty

topaz tinsel
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there was an attempt

mossy thorn
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it was overwhelmingly successful

topaz tinsel
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still no idea what they would actually do.

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i would ask notmario if adding you to the 0 error repo is ok but then you would have crossmod with a mod that you also partially code yourself

mossy thorn
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this would be no particular issue, you'd still be the creative lead of 0 ERROR, not me, so things id want to add i could just add on my end

mossy thorn
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but also :3 i am incompetent

tough dome
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those look amazing btw

topaz tinsel
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"creative lead" aka i make you code my incomprehensible nonsense

topaz tinsel
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unfortunately this means autumn will now join in on the fun of having to code way too many Everything

mossy thorn
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brights would be easy actually

topaz tinsel
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fun

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(also make sure brights flush correctly registers as a specflush with spectrum framework)

mossy thorn
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pretty sure that would take no additional effort

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just gotta hook SMODS.has_any_suit to check if the card has base suit Brights and isnt suitless (i.e. a stone card over a brights card)

topaz tinsel
#

real

mossy thorn
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or is it has_all_suits i forget
id be able to do it in like 15 minutes probably
all the brights assets are done right?

topaz tinsel
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pretty much
(purple is HC)

mossy thorn
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honestly the hardest part would probably be adding a blurb to the card description about "Counts as all suits"

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hc but no gradient?

topaz tinsel
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gradient?

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how did i not notice that it has a fucking gradient before

mossy thorn
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vanilla hc colors have a gradient lol

topaz tinsel
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brb defenestrating myself

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these should be good?

mossy thorn
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pretty......

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i can look into implementing these in the morning probably idk if i will have repo access

topaz tinsel
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nag notmario until they give you access

mossy thorn
topaz tinsel
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the only vague concept of an idea is "temporary boost to a suit/enhancement/something else" but idk if thats too much like ortalab's zodiacs/thac's suit levelups, plus idk if i can even really match all 16 of them + 1 spectral to an effect

tough dome
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oh i sent an invite already

mossy thorn
topaz tinsel
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that could probably work

mossy thorn
#

in the sheet i notice brights and suit yourself cards are listed as referring to "regular suits", is this meant to refer specifically to Spades/Hearts/Clubs/Diamonds and not include Brights or other modded suits?

topaz tinsel
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yeah just the standard four vanilla suits

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to make it clear that it specifically means those and not including e.g. bunco's exotic suits

mossy thorn
#

alr, slightly more complicated but doable

topaz tinsel
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barring whatever the hell sigil is doing im fairly certain most other modded suits are intended to be rarer to come by in standard gameplay so

mossy thorn
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it is different from how wild cards work, but i assume you know that
this would be more like theres a smeared joker-like thing kinda

topaz tinsel
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aight

topaz tinsel
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(I question what exactly the theoretical 0 error rotarots would do.)

mossy thorn
#

there we go

topaz tinsel
#

Real

mossy thorn
topaz tinsel
#

brights today

mossy thorn
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havent handled the V, nil, or aikoshen pure card yet but

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my computer has not long for this world and i forgot my cord

topaz tinsel
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change your password while you’re still logged in and write it down somewhere or something

mossy thorn
#

what

topaz tinsel
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oh sorry i am actually stupid

mossy thorn
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no my battery is just dying

topaz tinsel
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I thought you meant your computer was exploding :/

mossy thorn
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lol

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sorry but brights are up now

topaz tinsel
#

Real

mossy thorn
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no deck or jokers

topaz tinsel
# mossy thorn

not sure whats up with the weird grey outline here, pretty sure thats been like. A thing with other modded card values (suit/ranks)

mossy thorn
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oh yeah

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something about the scaling mode used for sprite fronts

topaz tinsel
#

weird

topaz tinsel
#

also look into why this mod keeps making retriggers keel over and die and just stop working

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because apparently its doing that

mossy thorn
#

joker or playing card retriggers?

mossy thorn
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enhancement tarot turn into other enhancement rotarot though, so you'd need a 45-degree-twist on Suit Yourself and Sunsteel

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i wonder if it would be appropriate for Suit Yourself cards to have a Flower Pot-type trigger condition

topaz tinsel
#

oh?

topaz tinsel
mossy thorn
# topaz tinsel oh?

No rank, all regular suits
If played hand contains scoring
Spade, Heart, Club, and Diamond
cards, <give $?>

topaz tinsel
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oh that actually makes sense too because like. promotions

mossy thorn
#

development resumes

topaz tinsel
#

the orange flummery has vanished (i eated it)

topaz tinsel
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gonna make packs for Cups Cards and Elements real quick

topaz tinsel
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not very interesting but they'll do

mossy thorn
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oh no i see what you mean-- i missed it for thst shot, but its there now

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im down to implement whatever has a relatively solid idea

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im also not sure how much you want to come up with effects yourself vs. workshopping ideas til they make sense to put in balatro

topaz tinsel
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im not good at ideas i just think of outlines and then eventually they turn into things

mossy thorn
#

like i said above, mod's still fundamentally yours yk

topaz tinsel
#

jokers that have effects ive actually thought of a decent amount (other than values because im shit with those):
-Alpine Lily (good luck coding that)
-Emotional Support
-Konpeito (the Brights conversion is probably good enough)
-Despondent Joker (literally just a sinful joker)
-E (what if ancient joker was awesome)
-Sharps Bin (not sure what value it would scale though :/)
-Valdi
-Lockout
-Down Down (that fucking hand that i hate!)
-The Key To My He4rt
-HE HAS A GUN
-EVIL notmario?????????? (yes with that many question marks)

mossy thorn
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ten of them

topaz tinsel
#

ten question marks

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what would the suit legendaries even do i wonder
would they be similar like a certain mod or would they be more like the mineral jokers

mossy thorn
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i mean i vote mineral jokers but i know thats not the easy way lol

topaz tinsel
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we'd have to come up with unique effects for them
and the brights mineral too

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could be doable? idk

mossy thorn
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something brights support related could play off the fact they count as five different suits yk
something like "Scored cards with Bright suit give # mult for each card held in hand that they share a suit with"

topaz tinsel
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am i stupid or would that just mean they give (amount) for every single card that isnt suitless or another modded suit

mossy thorn
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basically yeah

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maybe it is a dumb idea

topaz tinsel
#

more flower pot nonsense
idk how to write it out exactly but what if they gave (amount) for every group of standard suits held in hand
so if you had two of each standard suit in hand it would give 2x, or if you had 1 of each plus like two Brights it would give 3x (X being the amount here)

mossy thorn
#

amount of different permutations of cards held in hand that contains each standard suit

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i uh.... thats not impossible ofc but a bit wordy and probably strange of a concept for many people to grapple with

topaz tinsel
#

"group of all 4 standard suits"

mossy thorn
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also i worry about the code to detect that being extremely slow

mossy thorn
#

unless i am misunderstanding you and they shouldnt be able to

topaz tinsel
#

what do you mean by overlapping group

mossy thorn
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unless one brights card is one group

topaz tinsel
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one brights counts as one group yes

mossy thorn
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mmm not how flower pot works 's probably where i got that idea from

topaz tinsel
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idk im thick in the head i dont know anything

mossy thorn
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well i know how id code it

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i just dont know how to explain it to players yk

topaz tinsel
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"Scored cards with Bright suit give (amount) for each group of all 4 standard suits held in hand (Brights count as 1 group)"

mossy thorn
#

would Suit Yourself and Wild cards also count as 1 group?

topaz tinsel
#

in theory, yeah probably

mossy thorn
#

also i can do Suit Yourself cards if you're down for the Promotion effect

topaz tinsel
#

yeah i think it would work

mossy thorn
topaz tinsel
#

yes
i still need to make tags for the other packs

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(when we get to making those consumable effects...)

mossy thorn
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am i expected to provide creative input i was under the impression i would just be programming what you tell me

topaz tinsel
#

oh yeah i am unfathomably stupid so i expect you to also help me with things i. do not have ideas for
im horrible i know

mossy thorn
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oh ok i just didnt wanna impose my ideas on your mod 's all

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re: sunsteel & 45-degree-tarot: maybe the standard Sunsteel card is Xmult, and the 45degree one is the ascension power thing?

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that way crossmod stays crossmod ig

#

think ive got everything now

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whats the idea with the vouchers btw i dont see any info abt those anywhere

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oh i missed the sleeve dangit
-# and the reward card

topaz tinsel
#

the vouchers are intended to be Prestige-related but i dont have an exact idea for them (as per usual :/)

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45 degree rotated sunsteel... actually
if sunsteel is hihiirokane maybe rotarot version is orichalcum (which ill have to draw)

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theyre both fantasy metals so

mossy thorn
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i am in favor

topaz tinsel
#

the Elements (not Element Cards) originate from a very obscure puzzle game called... Elements
basically in that game:
-you match two same type elements to make an element of a bigger size, and you do so by swapping two elements of the same size
-the Wild "element" can swap and match with any element of any size, and is created when a swap would result in three consecutive matches of increasing size for one element
-you start with the four "basic" elements (first row), then (in-story at least) they combine to form the secondary elements (second row) - you then unlock Cosmos and its (third row) secondaries. Some excuse plot about Da Vinci and the Philosopher's Stone (the corresponding rare spectral).

mossy thorn
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have you considered having some kind of combination effect for the composite elements? like maybe the pack only presents the basic elements and then you can merge one with the element(s) you currently have, either enhancing its effect if they match or changing it to a composite element if they can

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and then maybe after you have "made" a composite element in a run that element can appear in packs to facilitate combining them

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not sure how to approach Wild's gimmick though

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(if the element effects are temporary, maybe getting a copy refreshes the duration as well)

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effects could upgrade at thresholds of powers of 2 to sort of refer to how youd normally have to build one of a matching size to match in order to progress (?)
-# so 1, 2, 4, 8, 16...

topaz tinsel
#

that would definitely make sense

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the game requires you to make a specific amount of matches of each element to progress

mossy thorn
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so you dont necessarily need to make big big ones but probably will wind up doing so over the course of gameplay(?)

topaz tinsel
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usually yeah

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(there's also just a mode where you can pick the elements you think look cool and match them freely)
its entirely possible to make it so the board is just one really big element
but once you have no valid moves the board zooms out so you can make More Matches

mossy thorn
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that sounds reall cool actually

topaz tinsel
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i know its just one of those casual puzzle games you'd see on something like big fish back in the day but i like it so

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

mossy thorn
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i never go looking for a casual puzzle game but i have a few im fond of

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thought: maybe suit yourself cards also destroy themselves, since they're consumed in Fortune Street? turns them into a deckfixing angle but i can also understand if it'd be prefered if they didn't explode

topaz tinsel
#

that would be fun(ny)

mossy thorn
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i wonder if this should be a spectrum.....

topaz tinsel
#

lol

mossy thorn
#

the secret fifth suit of the suit yourself card: "not a suit" (the suit spectrumapi checks for to see if the card is acting like a wild card)

topaz tinsel
#

the secret fifth suit they didnt want you to know about

mossy thorn
#

Flame and Choice complete

topaz tinsel
#

real

mossy thorn
#

idk why thats just what my brain is stuck on there (probably because trident)

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since the suit yourself cards give money and destroy themselves, the Venture Card joker could then maybe even just be like marble joker, adding one suit yourself card to your deck per round

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could be an interesting econ angle

topaz tinsel
#

that specific venture card literally does just give you one for free so that would make perfect sense

topaz tinsel
#

oh yeah and if you know how to music heres a track for prestige card packs that needs to be added
i should make themes for the other consumables too eventually

mossy thorn
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i do not specifically know how to music but i can look into it

topaz tinsel
#

omg i just noticed "why.toml" LMAO

mossy thorn
#

yeah like

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why do rankless cards count for pairs smods

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hmmmmmmm????????

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i kept noticing suit yourself cards counting for pairs and its apparently because rankless cards just Do That for some reason

topaz tinsel
#

Cursed!

mossy thorn
#

extremely

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Brilliance is listed as steel/gold synergy, any angles you have in mind? its a cool lil sword and i like it :3

topaz tinsel
#

its probably been done before but maybe it would make steel and gold cards also trigger when scored
unrelated: its a sword owned by one of my ocs, who is a knight that is. Very overly formal and loyal (to another oc of mine, who owns the trident thingy), possibly insane, definitely horribly traumatized.
if/when i get to making orichalcum cards ill probably make a third silly looking sharpedge for them

mossy thorn
#

i mean yeah i think thats been done before but idk about on one joker? also not sure it needs to be totally unique you know

maybe it could even be that they act as the other when scored (steel gives $3 if played on the final hand, gold gives X1.5 Mult)

topaz tinsel
#

ooo

mossy thorn
#

or uh winning hand i guess. may be slightly complicated to do since i dont think anything usually triggers from played hand like that

#

but maybe its easy idk ill try it

mossy thorn
#

hm. doesn't seem like there's any conventional way to accomplish that

#

cards are discarded from play before the score is tallied

topaz tinsel
#

might be easier to just give the money when scored in general

mossy thorn
#

can do

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if Brilliance is going to play off of played metal cards, maybe Dragonsthorn could be similar for Sunsteel and then that's the theme of the weapons? (played benefits for enhancements traditionally held in hand)

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not that the +3 and improved scaling is bad, lol. just musing

topaz tinsel
#

yeah that makes sense

#

sorry i was making pasta

mossy thorn
topaz tinsel
#

probably yeah

mossy thorn
#

(numbers are with 52 sunsteel)

#

maybe better as stronger scaling on in-hand

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or it could scale with number of played sunsteel

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hm (flush)

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hanging chad seems to work just fine

#

not sure what that report was about then

topaz tinsel
#

idk either, maybe its something else going weird mode or making it go weird mode (cryptid?)

mossy thorn
#

i have cryptid tho

topaz tinsel
#

idk whats going on then, its weird

mossy thorn
#

hm
smods is set up so it's the rank's responsibility to support the suit, and there's not like any way to have a suit support a rank???

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the aikoshen sprite is separate at least?

topaz tinsel
#

smods is very normal with no weird edge cases

mossy thorn
#

lol

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yeah really it is

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Totally™

mossy thorn
mossy thorn
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@topaz tinsel i coded ur joker (dont mind my pc dying)

topaz tinsel
#

i may have been reading wikipedia for no reason sorry

mossy thorn
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i messed with the timing so that the cards are put in the deck all at once if you have multiple

topaz tinsel
#

swag

mossy thorn
#

and also did determine that it is Decidedly Not 0 ERROR that is the problem with the really janky framerate

topaz tinsel
#

we love jank

topaz tinsel
#

idea to possibly draw:
value manip joker like oil lamp, except its multiplier is randomized between 0.9 - 1.1 (and immutable)
so you could get lucky and get better values but its inconsistent and can backfire horribly or just do jack shit

topaz tinsel
#

moar tags

mossy thorn
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what if suit yourself cards gave more money the more times you have gotten a "promotion"
idk if this is maybe a dumb idea probably

topaz tinsel
#

i was gonna suggest that but i wasnt sure if it would get like. broken if you manage to generate a ton of them

mossy thorn
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maybe it increments by 1 level per hand at most

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even if you play multiple or retrigger them

#

also what if there was a 161 of cups and it was a shelf full of shot glasses
(for clarity this is a joke)

topaz tinsel
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161 of cups is just how much vv drinks in a day

mossy thorn
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what if i do alpine lily

mossy thorn
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hoo boy i sure have written a 200 line joker that does nothing so far

mossy thorn
#

they could probably be prettier, but....

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i set it up so that the abilities can be kinda anything btw? they'll all scale off the same value (but dont have access to any extra variables), but technically....

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it's not explicitly mentioned, but it can change the type of an effect as well (as posited in its doc entry), and if it does, it leaves that value untouched; the effect then scales appropriately from that number (which leads to a couple quirks since the base value is always a whole number)

mossy thorn
tough dome
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just say "Mutates at end of round"

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the player will learn

mossy thorn
#

true...

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i have not many ideas on how else to handle the ui to allow colours or other things....

topaz tinsel
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ignore the fact that im awake at 4 in the morning

topaz tinsel
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gonna finish updating the wiki when i get home

mossy thorn
#

also like every internal value for the alpine lily is mutable (but still not visible) so i can imagine misprint deck stuff being wacky with alpine lily

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me when i lose value every round

topaz tinsel
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fun

mossy thorn
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but also you could gain an effect every round and the min~max new value numbers are set to 80~400

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yknow?

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just gettin silly with it lol

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im already tempted to overhaul it to be a whole api thing so crossmod can be registered easily but i should make the text prettier first

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(e.g. something like payas terrible additions could register an effect to gain pyroxenes from the lily...)

topaz tinsel
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perfectly normal flower with no hidden weird shit whatsoever

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what if there was a challenge like the cryptid rnjoker one except all lilies

mossy thorn
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like 5 eternals?

topaz tinsel
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probably

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it would fit too because (the original version of) the game Alpine Lily comes from gave you 5 slots for weird mutant flowers

mossy thorn
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sometimes you have infinite everything sometimes its jokerless with extra steps

topaz tinsel
#

totally balanced

mossy thorn
#

speaking of, should effect value be able to reach 0 or cap at 1 minimum

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effect value is measured in flat mult

topaz tinsel
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probably cap at 1 so its not completely just dead

mossy thorn
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can do

topaz tinsel
#

also can you help me figure out why this registry isnt reading these tarots as tarots

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like wtf

mossy thorn
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i dont know what interface that even is

topaz tinsel
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wiki stuff

mossy thorn
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um maybe try lowercase

topaz tinsel
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mmm

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that didnt work either

mossy thorn
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mmmmm thac has tarot how is that page set up (i didnt do it)

topaz tinsel
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it has aliases but no actual registries yet :/

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it was the cache lol

mossy thorn
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maybe alpine lily has a rare chance to mutate an addition mutation per round............

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(and a corresponding rare chance to lose one if >1 mutation per round)

topaz tinsel
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that would be funny

mossy thorn
#

ok so alpine lily todo
- chance to gain/lose 1 mutation per round
- chance to mutate nothing / fail to mutate
- rework text display to allow formatting (how??????) (idea: look into how descriptions get formatted in the first place (localize type="descriptions"?))
- rework mutation effects to be an api (probably not actually that hard)
-- Possible examples: Pyroxenes gained (PTA), ^Chips/^Mult, create cards?????
- mutation effect timings??? (how would this be displayed...)
- variants of gain/lose value mutations that increase/decrease all mutations instead of just one random one
- probably change the dollars one to a calc_dollar_bonus thing or nerf its value scaling

- make sure it doesnt explode with talisman somehow (it probably does)
- use smods scale card stuff (oops) (goes for old content do, should do a pass for this...)

topaz tinsel
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glitch i noticed while i was out today: Perma-Monster doesn’t seem to want to come off cooldown when you obtain it?

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i didnt have eternals but it never let me use it no matter what

mossy thorn
topaz tinsel
#

real

topaz tinsel
mossy thorn
#

ooo

topaz tinsel
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slight improvement i think

mossy thorn
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yeah i concur

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what was this gonna do again i forgor

topaz tinsel
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i think this was the asc one?

mossy thorn
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oh right

mossy thorn
# mossy thorn

smth cool abt this that i just thought of is that each effect scales with prestiges independently

topaz tinsel
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what should we do next

mossy thorn
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i mean i still have some lily todo

topaz tinsel
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aight

mossy thorn
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plus the permamonster bug, the scale_card stuff, and orichalcum (effect...?)

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and then theres suit yourself promotions

topaz tinsel
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how would i even represent the orichalcum cryptid subdeck if its intended to be from rotarot flame (which is already used for sunsteel subdeck)

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(did we agree that it would be rotarot flame?)

mossy thorn
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i thought that was the whole point of orichalcum

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to be the thing from rotarot flame

topaz tinsel
#

rightr

mossy thorn
#

ummmm but maybe you could just rotate the flame itself 45 degrees idk

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itd be funny to have a 45 degree rotated deck but probably difficult to implement and especially so given that its cryptid subdecks and not like Real Decks

topaz tinsel
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moment

mossy thorn
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whats the 45 degree rotated suit yourself card

topaz tinsel
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uh.

mossy thorn
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please dont say quantum ranks

topaz tinsel
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first idea: card that doesn't count towards selection limit

mossy thorn
#

doable

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thac actually has smth like that (its more complicated than just that effect tho)

topaz tinsel
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the same idea would be used for 7s affected by HE HAS A GUN anyway so

mossy thorn
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oh true

topaz tinsel
#

brain blast:
"Smart Card" and its literally just based on a mario party 9 minigame (ignore birdo she's just vibing)

mossy thorn
topaz tinsel
mossy thorn
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ooo?

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whats the idea here i never played mp9

topaz tinsel
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in Card Smarts you have to choose a card from a series of numbered ones (from 1 to 5 - everyone gets the exact same deal, and everyone can see each other's hands) and if you have the highest number you get a point. basic mario party minigame stuff

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i did also make a subdeck back for it based on the one in the minigame

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what it could possibly do is:
-doesn't count for selection limit
-if it has the highest rank of all scored cards, gives some sort of benefit?

mossy thorn
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hmm

topaz tinsel
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aikoshen hardcore challenge where your entire deck is just the starting hand you get in the minigame with pure ranks and you can never get any more playing cards ever

mossy thorn
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i dont get how selection limit factors in here

topaz tinsel
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i honestly idk

mossy thorn
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fair

topaz tinsel
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im just spouting garbage ideas and pretending they make sense

mossy thorn
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but i like the highest rank thing

topaz tinsel
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yeah thats probably a better idea

mossy thorn
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how do you feel abt xchips btw

topaz tinsel
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xchips is alright

mossy thorn
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cool

topaz tinsel
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were you worried that i would be an operator purist or something

mossy thorn
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yes

topaz tinsel
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lol

topaz tinsel
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female symbol

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aka: ♀ .

mossy thorn
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oh cool

mossy thorn
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i wonder what this would do...
it's Normal/Normal type, its sprite blacks out a large section of the screen, and it learns like a shitload of moves

topaz tinsel
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and she also tends to softlock the game (for at least a little bit) by "singing"

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i should make another glitch pokemon and give it that "balanced"/rng oil lamp idea
(the one where its value manip is between like 0.9x to 1.1x)

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and add missingno too because like. it me

mossy thorn
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oh this one gets to be a she

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despite also ostensibly being a species /lh

topaz tinsel
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her name is literally the female symbol let her have this one

mossy thorn
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lmao

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oh no so its just that she/her are the correct plural pronouns for a group of ♀

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yeah i still got nothing lol

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queens...??? idk

topaz tinsel
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do something funny to queens probably

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im tempted to say "give (a random Alpine Lily effect?) to scored queens (that don't already have an effect)" but

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that or randomize their enhancements

mossy thorn
#

in fact i could generalize out the mutations to be a whole thing that any card can do.....

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then you could just have a thing say "mutate played queens*

topaz tinsel
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that would definitely be one of the game mechanics of all time

mossy thorn
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it might become tricky to manage for arbitrarily mutating jokers tbh but maybe i can set it up for pcards at least

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mostly for ui reasons

topaz tinsel
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reasons

mossy thorn
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yeah like the crux of most problems with my modding experience is "do i know how to put that on the screen"

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like i absolutely can program mutations for any card i just dont know if ill be able to put it on the card's description yk

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anyway yapping aside mutating a playing card isnt all that different from giving it a random perma bonus

topaz tinsel
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the idea i had for her is pretty much a ripoff of an entropy joker so

mossy thorn
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entropy........

topaz tinsel
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what glitch pokemon would be the funniest option to make the weird broken oil lamp ripoff

mossy thorn
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i mean missingno has the bag fucktoupling effect but idk lol

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sorry i meant MissingNo. i dont mean to insult

topaz tinsel
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go my glitch pokemon ("3TrainerPoké $", "4 h", and (obviously) "MissingNo.")

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i think 3TrainerPoké $ could be the oil lamp one, 4 h could have something to do with 9s

mossy thorn
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@topaz tinsel i made it work

topaz tinsel
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real

mossy thorn
topaz tinsel
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brights

mossy thorn
#

brights

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thoughts on other ranks

topaz tinsel
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if i have the motivation to make them maybe

vast spoke
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glass joker rip off smh smh

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playjoke could scale on hands played

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because of the crank

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i was thinking on how to incorporate the movement the crank does

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it could be like, every hand is a little push

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and it could reset per ante beaten to keep the loop aspect of the crank

mossy thorn
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amm petting api

vast spoke
mossy thorn
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ypu can pet the jokers with amm

topaz tinsel
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pet the playdate

topaz tinsel
#

uhhhhhhh

autumn sapphire
#

There's no pinned messages for mobile users to quickly get to the top of the thread, could you please add one?

topaz tinsel
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i cant pin messages, only the mods can do that
and i dont think i should be harassing mods just for that

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try pressing the top left corner of your screen? just above the back button

autumn sapphire
#

There isn't anything above the back button at the top left. (Android user btw)

If your not able to, then no worries. I was just trying to see what the mod was about on my lunch break at work but I can look at it now that I am home on pc

mossy thorn
autumn sapphire
#

Ah, thank you

topaz tinsel
gilded bone
mossy thorn
#

what uh... does this have to do with 0 error precisely

topaz tinsel
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per above: usable jokers are crashing on MacOS when you select them in joker slots (when the "Use" text appears)

mossy thorn
#

what

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i have legit zero way of testing this and know nothing about why macos is different so

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

topaz tinsel
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i think its because macos cant read certain files
rip

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same thing happens with some pta stuff nothing we can really do

tropic jolt
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Math guy should've chosen a better os

topaz tinsel
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lol

gilded bone
#

:(

topaz tinsel
#

should i add a pronouns column to the joker doc

mossy thorn
#

all cards have pronouns actually not jsut jokers

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(enhancements dont get to choose theirs (due to playing cards being composited) if im not mistaken tho? might have to relook over the code tho)

topaz tinsel
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damn

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im doing it anyway

mossy thorn
#

fair

topaz tinsel
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the enhancements can probably stay random but i am gonna fill in pronouns for tthe jokers that shouldnt have random pronouns

topaz tinsel
#

what if i just drew a fuckton of my ocs as jokers

mossy thorn
#

sure

blissful fern
#

I'm getting a weird ui bug with this mod: the jokers that can be used have their "use" button greyed out for me at all times

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including during blinds, which I assume is when they're meant to be usable

topaz tinsel
#

@tough dome you coded these things

topaz tinsel
topaz tinsel
mossy thorn
topaz tinsel
#

delicious

paper isle
#

KNOCK KNOCK

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@topaz tinsel My missing Numbered friend, murphy playing the mod

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@tough dome

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My friend that is not mario

topaz tinsel
#

oh no

tough dome
#

Oh

blissful fern
#

found 2 typos early on in hooks.lua (higlighted instead of highlighted in both instances)

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correcting it didn't seem to fix the issue though

blissful fern
#

could this message on startup be the cause?

topaz tinsel
#

i should make a crystal puzzle joker…

hoary prawn
#

am i correct in thinking that the suit yourself card has to be played as part of a spectrum?
or does it proc after playing it inside of four different suited flushes?
because i tried it alongside a flowerpot 2 pair and the suit yourself card wasnt actually scored itself so it didnt trigger

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okay yep it needs a spectrum

blissful fern
#

what do you mean played as part of a spectrum?

topaz tinsel
#

a hand that consists of 5 different suits

mossy thorn
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that's the only practical way to do it, though you can trigger it with wild cards, brights, and other suit yourself cards all constituting a flush where each card has a different suit as well

topaz tinsel
#

crux
probably does something wacky with planet cards

topaz tinsel
#

Queen Sigma!
(yes, including the exclamation mark.)
affects queens, especially Queen of Clubs

topaz tinsel
#

Hidden Anathema
this should affect food jokers in some way since (in VS) it affects food items

dim stream
#

Crash when I try to enter the deck customization screen.

hoary prawn
#

definitely something fucky with brights, yeah

ive gotten that too

topaz tinsel
#

idk if its just the fact that you have seventy quintillion mods or if smods exploded it

hoary prawn
#

ive gotten it without seventy quintillion mods so it is a real issue

topaz tinsel
#

probably smods then

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i need to get my devs on it but theyre all probably busy

topaz tinsel
#

ok so its a rank array crossmod issue weird thing ill hopefully get one of my devs on it

topaz tinsel
#

we should be good now?

topaz tinsel
#

new jonkler art:
Ankimo
only thing i can think of for this guy is basically just a weaker ripoff of korru from unik

topaz tinsel
#

plant tycoon nonsense i spent way too long on

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basically the seed joker does nothing but evolves into one of the 6 plant jokers after a number of rounds

rocky sedge
#

thats pretty cool

split flame
#

Those pretty awesome art

topaz tinsel
#

updated tags atlas for new edition (soon...)

split flame
#

Oh that rainbow one is pretty

rocky sedge
#

ts peak

topaz tinsel
#

obligatory cryptid edition subdeck

split flame
#

That looks cool

topaz tinsel
#

working on some possible spectrum hand crossmod crap

topaz tinsel
#

specflush planets yippee

topaz tinsel
#

do we really need more food jokers

split flame
#

Those look amazing

hoary prawn
topaz tinsel
#

they’re just oc stuff

#

(heresy, i know)

topaz tinsel
hoary prawn
#

oh?

onyx sluice
#

I accidentally put this in the wrong mod chat and I can't ever take it back, but I hope you never ever change Mutual Assured Destruction because its now my comfort joker

#

I love both prestige and that joker specifically very very much

topaz tinsel
#

those who know:

signal hamlet
#

mope mope

topaz tinsel
#

mope mope

onyx sluice
#

And I mean visual effects

topaz tinsel
#

if i can be bothered to draw them? maybe

topaz tinsel
#

"Red Sketch" joker that just kind of looks like how i do my sketches/first draft layers

topaz tinsel
#

these two are going in my mod too because my ego is apparently ninety thousand miles wide

topaz tinsel
topaz tinsel
signal hamlet
onyx sluice
topaz tinsel
#

wait you actually recognize that video or

onyx sluice
#

I thought I did but I am not sure I just assumed it was from a game corruption that I've seen (not from vinesauce vinny)

topaz tinsel
#

yeah its from a japanese corruptions video

lone olive
topaz tinsel
#

"Teammates Austin and Tyrone are going to hell!"

lone olive
#

"GOD DAM-" Fucking gold mine if you ask me.

onyx sluice
#

something about SNES/NES corruptions will always allure me ESPECIALLY when they have fucked up audio

topaz tinsel
#

-# ⭐ Found a star!

hot bridge
#

Putting my mouse on the 2nd to last one crashes everything.

manic dock
onyx sluice
# topaz tinsel yeah its from a japanese corruptions video

oh I actually found the particular video you were referencing here pretty sure https://youtu.be/bFkDtbFF2Bg

【コメ付き チートバグ動画 】バグプレイであそぼう! バグの日動画 1/2
【コメ付き チートバグ動画 】バグプレイであそぼう! バグの日動画 2/2→ https://youtu.be/Ww4DIZG0Bco
やりますねぇ! マゼラン ちなかいちなかいちなかいちなかいちなかいちなかいちなかい...

▶ Play video
topaz tinsel
#

its at like 4 minutes in

#

japanese corruptions are usually pretty crazy

onyx sluice
#

yeah they're on a whole nother level

topaz tinsel
#

i hate spambots

robust shell
topaz tinsel
#

i think so yeah

topaz tinsel
topaz tinsel
#

more unnecessary vouchers

hoary prawn
#

B

topaz tinsel
split flame
topaz tinsel
#

Elite ball knowledge is required to understand the joke here.

#

betterer version

topaz tinsel
#

the dazzles 2 is exactly the same as the dazzles 1

onyx sluice
lone olive
onyx sluice
#

also the goanimate shit too but I guess they're in the same camp

rocky sedge
topaz tinsel
#

no

rocky sedge
#

ou

topaz tinsel
#

i apologize for being completely dead lately

robust shell
#

death is overrated

topaz tinsel
#

i love ocslop

topaz tinsel
#

why did i get a ghost message

dim stream
#

I almost sent this error message, but then I realized that it may have something to do with the whole "non-compatible with Talisman" thing.

topaz tinsel
#

that shouldn't be happening if you're on amulet

#

i think i need to prod freh about doing lovely 0.9 stuff though

topaz tinsel
# dim stream

ok did you get this from trying to continue a run from an older smods version

dim stream
#

No.

dim stream
#

Putting my mouse on the 2nd to last one crashes everything.

(It's related to Amiko and yeah, I didn't have the "Enable Type Compat" option enabled at the time.)

topaz tinsel
#

bruh

topaz tinsel
#

im back (again)

topaz tinsel
#

and even more jokers have joined chat

topaz tinsel
#

0 ERROR current music track list, for future reference:

  • Valdi Ascension (0 ERROR x Cryptid Title)
  • Balala Prestiging Mode (Prestige Pack Theme)
  • Divination and Hedonism Do Not Mix (Cups Pack Theme)
  • Fire, Ice, Nutmeg (Elemental Pack Theme)
topaz tinsel
topaz tinsel
#

update is Out Now

topaz tinsel
#

had a stroke of something, definitely wasn't genius
"Wow! It's Fucking Nothing"

#

wait shit

#

nope here we go

topaz tinsel
topaz tinsel
topaz tinsel
#

...yeah thats all i got

topaz tinsel
#

this year's april fool's joke is there fucking isn't one because im not funny

topaz tinsel
#

more shameless self-promotion