Joker Forge - Create Balatro Mods Visually and Export the Lua Files (WIP)

[heady dock]

jokers made with joker forge give X3 mult 🔥

[heady frost]

joker forge is gonna be the new rarity

[icy crow]

im not going that deep

i enjoy coding more

[heady frost]

😭

[slow hill]

I'm trying to make a joker but I couldn't fully make in joker forge so I tried adding to it but it doesn't work 😭

[heady frost]

like is it making a crash or is it just not working

how i would do it is i would change a variable when an item is bought to 1, then at the end of the shop i would reduce dollars if that variable is 0

[slow hill]

It just resets to 0.. twice...

[slow hill]

that is a good idea thanks

[rain mason]

so uhhh

only one of my jokers correctly exported

nvm, found the issue

it doesn't export the default joker ids correctly

so I had to give them new ones

[heady dock]

it does work you just have to open every joker's edit info page at least once after the new change so it generates a key properly

[heady frost]

i am going to change this in a minute so if a joker is sent to code generation without a jokerid, it will still generate one for you

but if you change it manually, that new one will always override the generated one

the copy joker ability effect is not easily modifyable in a way that joker forge likes to enable multiple effects to be copied unfortunately

[woeful bough]

Joker retriggering could substitute

[heady frost]

joker retrigger will be something i will come back to probably after other things are done

im too excited to start working on custom rarities and consumables

im whizzing through these github issues

[crude trail]

https://github.com/Dogg-Fly/Another-Stupid-Balatro-Mod/releases/tag/v2.4 NEW VERSION

[woeful bough]

Im equally as excited to start using them

[neon marten]

My mod just needs a bit more jokers

Then I’ll release

I’d say a week or so

[lilac yacht]

what the- gifs are allowed now?

[heady frost]

lmao, dont even mention it in the description too

[young relic]

well damn

[heady frost]

long ass description

[sour spear]

idk

[young relic]

well anyways

pushing the limits on "how ridiculous can a joker get"

[sour spear]

what in the jen's almanac

[heady frost]

and they say joker forge is limited smh

[olive agate]

thats a sprunki isnt it?

[olive agate]

knew it

[sour spear]

i wish game over trigger has more effects to pair with surviving death

[young relic]

(canonically he will fucking murder you if you call solinium that)

[lilac yacht]

holy almanac

[sour spear]

instantly lose the game effect when 🤧🤧🤧

[young relic]

best we can do is set hand size to 1 and hands to 1 😔

[sour spear]

mmmm debt collector

.1x mult and chips when in debt

[young relic]

ok i need to know what happens if you decrement a variable to 0
while it's being used as the denominator

well isn't that neat
solinium omega crashes the game before it's even unlocked 😭

UHHHHHHHH

SO IT CRASHES THE GAME IMMEDIATELY IF I TRY TO GIVE MYSELF IT

[heady frost]

I can add them after this match of marvel rivals but idk how well they will work lol

[sour spear]

also can you add some stuff on the metadata for the balatro mod index so people can upload mods that they made on joker forge without having to manually add them

[heady frost]

added game over to the generic triggers list, making it have basically all of the generic conditions and effects

[sour spear]

coolio

[heady frost]

results may vary and i am NOT fixing game over related stuff if it doesnt work

maybe

[woeful bough]

That wouldn't be possible

Due to how uploading mods there works

[sour spear]

dang

fr?

you know what nvm im not gonna think about it more

after adding more jokers ima release the new update of the mod

[delicate cave]

Five hundred cigarettes

[young relic]

hhhhhhhhh

i hope it's just an smods thing fuckign up the joker

[heady frost]

will fix it tomorrow when i wake up, i think i know the issue tho so should be pretty easy

tomorrow im hoping to fix some more bugs and potentially get started on custom rarity but no promises

[young relic]

all the variables are fucked too 😭

[pure ravine]

“Mmm chezbuger”

One of the lines i heard

[sour spear]

i discarded and this happened

prevent death should actually say "Saved by [joker name]"

huh why does it create fool tarot

[civic anvil]

is there any way to check how many jokers and playing cards were triggered since obtaining

Because I had a joker I wanted to make for a mod based around some friends and I

+1 Chips per joker triggered or playing card scored (Currently +blank Chips) - Legendary

[sour spear]

https://github.com/N0tToxicPlayer/Flushtro/releases/tag/v1.10 new update wowzers

[heady sky]

question: Will the auto-generated Joker Key for custom cards have the "j_" prefix?

like if I wanted a joker to create a custom joker would it still be "j_whatever"?

nvm i read the tooltip

[wild pier]

this is jsust the glaggle land wiki first paragraph of glaggle

[heady sky]

Okay so this effect is supposed to have a 1 in 6 chance of both destroying a face card and giving $10 when it's scored. However the two effects seem to be rolling and triggering independently, rather than activating at the same time, as intended

[heady sky]

Also the Add Permanent Bonus effect doesn't seem to be working. It's triggering, but the cards don't actually get the bonus applied.

[exotic quartz]

will there ever be an option to retrigger jokers?

[sour spear]

there already is

[exotic quartz]

is there? I'm referring to something that retriggers other jokers, like a more versatile form of Blueprint/Brainstorm. Other mods like Cryptid's Boredom or Yahimod's many jokers retrigger use said function.

[sour spear]

just the simple retrigger joker once

[lapis mauve]

That exists?

it doesnt no

Only retrigger playing cards

[sour spear]

hell yeah

[elfin nest]

Brilliant

[wild pier]

what the fuck happened to altrive joker

whats wrong with the joker forge code

altrive good tho

what happened

[wild pier]

whats wrong with it tho

[icy crow]

it expects end after the return

@heady frost could you pretty please look at it

[wild pier]

whats it supposed to say,,

[icy crow]

can you send the json?

[icy crow]

i think these 2 are clashing

[wild pier]

ohh']

[icy crow]

also each effect gives 5 dollars

👀

defines 3 but uses only the first

[stiff bobcat]

No way its Civilisation but 100 times better

[wild pier]

FUCK'

wait qro ng crash log

correct crash log

@icy crow

[icy crow]

do you have " in the message

[wild pier]

fuck

[icy crow]

if so replace it with \"

\"

[wild pier]

okay getting new version>>

[icy crow]

i'll add an issue on github to address this

[wild pier]

holy crash log..

i think its the emojis

or smth

@icy crow

vrochacho

help me with ts

[icy crow]

wth

did you include a newline in the description?

like you did shift+enter

or pasted something with a newline

[wild pier]

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OH WAIT

ITS THE {}

[icy crow]

there are new lines

after this awesome obby!

and the {} yes

before it and after it

[wild pier]

i cant fucking take this anymore

the gambling machne

@icy crow ]]

cant fjcukvng takit ts anymog

[icy crow]

how does you rule look?

maybe you should switch their order

[icy crow]

i mean in the rule itself

[wild pier]

is it because its the same trigger

[icy crow]

you would probably want to stick to one rule per trigger (with same conditions, in this case none)

also made an issue

regarding the quotes and new lines

[icy crow]

will also make an issue about this

[icy crow]

''Onion powder. To flavor.'

quote in the string?

[wild pier]

another new line error

[icy crow]

oh

welp

[wild pier]

new line error

new line

'

[icy crow]

unfinished string near ''½ Tbsp Milk Powder (Optional)'

new line

:o

[wild pier]

okay i have just realized these few error have potato food jokers

[icy crow]

unfinished string near '", colour = G.C.WHITE})'

[wild pier]

okay this has to be the last one.. right

[icy crow]

if it says unfinished string near ... then probably a new line

you don't have to spam the channel

[wild pier]

wheres the new line..

[icy crow]

can you send/show the file

[icy crow]

guess what

quotes in effect message

{message = "“Why did it give me that much money""

at reroll shop

[wild pier]

fucl\

[icy crow]

🔥

[wild pier]

im going to kill myself istg what the fucj'

[icy crow]

'}' expected near 'Why' 🤔

the file?

[wild pier]

remade some of the things i suspected to error

gonna retest it

still the why error

\

[icy crow]

quotes?

not escaped that is

[icy crow]

Oops! The game crashed

[lapis mauve]

i know this isnt priority but are custom suits hard?

they would be very cool

[icy crow]

it's two rules no condition again btw

[wild pier]

wait where

[icy crow]

here

defeating boss blind

unless something different made the same error

[wild pier]

PKAY ITS BEEN FIXED

but

quotation error

yippee

fuck

[icy crow]

two rules no condition i bet

[wild pier]

yup

FUCKING FINALLY

oh my god

thank you nxkoo

anf you too

[wild pier]

i'll credit you vro when i publish ts mod

[icy crow]

no need

[woeful bough]

this looks so much better

[lapis mauve]

yknow what would be cool

debuffing/flipping jokers/cards

[woeful bough]

tiny

[exotic quartz]

is there a way to make this not crash the game

[icy crow]

Sell button be flying

[woeful bough]

im not done

[icy crow]

Pikoprint when

[wild pier]

jaja fofofo

[woeful bough]

B

[exotic quartz]

missed opportunity to call it "Small Print"

[woeful bough]

small does not describe that size

[nimble island]

i dont get it

[woeful bough]

B

[nimble island]

is there a way to sign out of jokerforge to make a new mod

[woeful bough]

open an incognito tab

[nimble island]

never a good sign

[woeful bough]

make sure to save the JSON of the current one and then you should be able to just refresh the page

[exotic quartz]

@heady dock any idea what might cause this?

[icy crow]

Please don't make an E🥺

[heady dock]

I have no clue lmao

[neon marten]

LETS GOOOOO

https://github.com/Zvstheworld/Balatro-Zvs-Mod

[icy crow]

I don't want two e's in my game

[woeful bough]

j

[icy crow]

[heady dock]

You should make a github issue about it, definitely a bug

[lapis mauve]

wdym just click start fresh whenever refreshing the page

[nimble island]

ohy

[woeful bough]

make sure to save the JSON first tho

[icy crow]

What's the crash

[heady frost]

theres an easier way to do this

you can make condition groups within one rule

[icy crow]

Good morning goodmorning

[heady frost]

goodmorning

i just roke up

[icy crow]

Made 2 issues on GitHub

[heady frost]

i saw

one of them is quite smart

the one with probability and one without

i didnt even think of that as a way to make it so you can have conditional probability

[exotic quartz]

so do I make the jack and suit requirements separate?

[heady frost]

this is how i would do it

[icy crow]

That's actually a screenshot I took from someone else's json

When they had a lot of crashes

[heady dock]

Every trigger applies a different seal

So that doesnt work there

[heady frost]

ohhh

well it should just work then

send json

it will be a bug with code gen i reckon

[exotic quartz]

don't mind any other horribly broken jokers still wip

[neon marten]

its finally out

[icy crow]

Nothing else so far...

[heady frost]

this is the same error that someon else in the chat had earlier i think

not adding end for some reason

everything else works

[exotic quartz]

I have no idea what happened

but somewhere along adding a line of dialogue and testing a handful of jokers touching a card instant-closes the game

even after deleting the mod

[heady dock]

Verify game files on steam then

Should fix that

[exotic quartz]

doesn't that reset all my mods

[heady dock]

It shouldnt

Since they are in a seperate folder

But you could just temporarily move your mods just in case

[exotic quartz]

yeah that didn't do anything

ok apparently disabling talisman fixes it

odd considering the fact I didn't touch the one exponential joker I added

[heady frost]

not everything is compatible with talisman at the moment

when you have talisman, you have to create code that is compatible with talisman because it turns all numbers into a table which is very annoyin

[exotic quartz]

understandable

[heady frost]

im working on full talisman compatibility but its a long process and not a priority

im fixing the joker with the seals now

[woeful bough]

block legendaries from appearing normally today? (like, not from soul cards or shops. no way to get it unless another joker creates it)

[heady frost]

probably not today because i wanna work on custom rarities lol

im too hyped for it

[icy crow]

Meanwhile the bug stash

[heady frost]

yeah i need to work my way thru that first

[exotic quartz]

istg everything I try to do in this game comes out scuffed

the whole idea was chips or mult would go into the negative, making you maintain a sort of balance

I also wanted to have a baseline +50 chips +10 mult but the only way to add that would be separately, making 4 calculations instead of a neat x + 50, y + 10

[woeful bough]

when custom rarities are added wouldnt you need to make two options for them. like "can appear in shops" (auto toggled) and "can appear in souls"?

[heady frost]

the seals joker issue should be fixed now

[heady frost]

that would be good

[heady frost]

send json i will get to it now

[icy crow]

Also the weight can be interesting

[exotic quartz]

should be the same one from earlier

[heady frost]

the issue with the jacks ended up being because seals need capitalisation lol

that was the only issue

[icy crow]

Because it can be a function (get_weight) or a value (default_weight)

[heady frost]

i will probably make weight a slider

[heady dock]

You would also need to make shop weights anyway

[icy crow]

Have also a list that common is 0.7 etc.

[woeful bough]

get it

[heady frost]

ill just put (common) (rare) etc on to the slider

[exotic quartz]

also quick question, are retriggers hard-coded to not be recursive? I wanted to make a joker that had potential for technically infinite lucky card retriggers but even when they proc it only triggers the joker once

[icy crow]

Yeah I got it

[woeful bough]

i tried to make the new exponentia art but i suck

[heady frost]

it should work for hardcoded values like twice but no they cant be recursive

is it not retriggering twice

[exotic quartz]

it retriggers twice but no more, I was hoping the retriggers had a chance to lead to more retriggers

[heady frost]

no, that would be cool though. i could add a parameter in the future that would make it recursive with a random chance but that will probably not happen until after a bunch of other shit is implemented because that would be hard lol

[exotic quartz]

sounds like it, I appreciate the consideration

[icy crow]

Also another bug i found that adding dollars in a few rules creates multiple dollars variables in config (dollars, dollars2) but uses only the first one created

[heady frost]

i wonder why this is lol

send json

[icy crow]

I'm not at the PC rn

But it wasn't mine

[icy crow]

.

[exotic quartz]

is there a particular cause to asset desync? a few of the cards retain the right ones, but everything else is scrambled

[heady frost]

send json

i will diagnose and fix

[exotic quartz]

same one

not sure why but this doesn't seem to work either

[heady frost]

how is it not working, is it crashing or just not working as intended

[exotic quartz]

literally nothing happens

[heady frost]

i think the passive trigger doesnt work well with variables, you might find more success editing hands like on blind selected or something

because passive trigger is meant for just like specific effects that are unchanged and stuff

because it uses add_to_deck and remove_from_deck

[woeful bough]

pretty sure this happened to me. i refreshed the page and redownloaded

[exotic quartz]

I've been refreshing the page like 20x atp

[heady frost]

yeah this has been an issue for a while i havent been able to track down because it is so rare lol

[exotic quartz]

i'll see if when blind is selected works

[crude trail]

Just now

[exotic quartz]

did I type this wrong? suit variable doesn't seem to display right

[heady dock]

How do the cryptid jokers with scaling passive effects work then?

[heady frost]

try looking at it in game

[woeful bough]

like canvas? orr

redeo?

[heady dock]

I mean like

Pot of jokes

Motebook

[heady frost]

joker forge treats 'passive' as basically anything that doesnt fit into other rules. thats why when you use it, your results may vary. some passive effects use hooks, some use add to deck, others use their own specific calculate function etc.

[woeful bough]

oh

[heady frost]

its hard to program these effects into the rest of the system because each effect needs special casing for it to work properly, thats why they are so rigid

but specifically for edit hands and discards, that also has a non passive effect version which is integrated within the rest of the system

thats why you might find more success using variables with blind selected rather than passive

you can do it, but joker forge does not support it because of the special casing required

[heady dock]

Oh okay

I see now

[woeful bough]

is there a way to delete multiple files at once on github?

[icy crow]

Try this

@woeful bough

[woeful bough]

ok

this joker roster goes crazy

[heady frost]

just had a quick look at the probability changes, does not seem to hard to port over, will probably do it within these next couple of days

[woeful bough]

are rarities planned for today or until after bugfixes?

[heady frost]

i think ive done enough bugfixing for now so i could add custom rarities

hopefully today

im gonna go visit my parents soon so when i get back i will have a look at custom rarities cos i do wanna do them today

this s because the remaining bugs are not that important they are just little

[exotic quartz]

tried making a joker that allowed double commons, didn't work. additionally, had some really buggy interactions with dupes of itself, permanently reducing joker slots.

[heady frost]

oooh i get what you mean

if you wanted to add double commons why are you doing 0.5

if you want commons to be basically treat as negative surely it should be 1

[lapis mauve]

that would make sense yeah

[exotic quartz]

my idea was commons taking up 0.5 a slot would allow you to have twice as many. making it 1 would allow infinite commons.

[icy crow]

Knew it

[woeful bough]

i think you would do 2

not one

or 0.5

because picking up a common gives you the joker slot it takes AND an additional one

[glass canopy]

how will this handle cross mod stuff

like cursed and epic rarities

[woeful bough]

multiplayer and cyyptid works fine with my mod

[glass canopy]

no im

talking about joker forge

[woeful bough]

i doubt rarities with have cross modding

[heady dock]

Currently you cant manually put keys for anything other than jokers

But maybe at some point

And you also cant put dependencies for individual items

[wild pier]

cant save things for some reason

not even when zoomed in

[woeful bough]

you could make a cryptid exclusive joker that spawns a cryptid joker. if you click "does not appear in shop" using the deck of equilibrium on crytpid will force appear in shop anyway

[wild pier]

not even when i didnt do anything

can only cancel

AND YES I RELOADED IT

[woeful bough]

so IG you could make every joker in a crytpid mod unable to appear in a shop and then use equilibrium

[heady frost]

send json

it might be be an issue with having a million jokers, your data doesnt want to save to browser because its too large. i will look into it tho

[exotic quartz]

doesn't work as intended. only ever gives 2X.

[heady frost]

even when playing 5 5s?

it should work i dont see why it wouldnt

[heady frost]

its working for me

try wiping your progress and restoring from that json

[exotic quartz]

the one I sent you?

[heady frost]

i was referring to @wild pier

[woeful bough]

M

[heady frost]

send me your json

[wild pier]

still dont work

[heady frost]

does the browser show any errors?

if you press f12

[exotic quartz]

this one is slightly updated in attempt to fix some jokers but I haven't touched recursion

[wild pier]

it says no issues

[heady frost]

yeah i see the issue, will fix it now

very good catch

[exotic quartz]

?

[heady frost]

try deleting progress and re importing

[deft wind]

hello, it's great that jokerforge lowered the barrier of entry to balatro mod creation, i think it'd be cool if in the long run it also included some form of github integration that pushes new source code to a repo and creates releases. this way jokerforge mods won't stand out from others in the ecosystem

[heady frost]

thats a good idea, but probbly wont be implemented until joker forge is in a much better state, is more robust, and can create consumables and decks etc.

[heady frost]

this is a much more involved problem then i thought, im going to have to fix it later when i get back from my parents

but it is a critical bug because it is affecting more than xmult, theres nothing wrong with your rules, its the code gens fault

[woeful bough]

why does blueprint not work on this?

[exotic quartz]

glad to be of help lol

I don't think I have a single joker that properly displays scaling (this is at 6x mult rn)

[icy crow]

I think it automatically adds the check to disable blueprint

[woeful bough]

but why? isnt this a joker that should work?

[icy crow]

Because that's how it's implemented ig

[wild pier]

trying on another deive

*device

still doesnt work

[exotic quartz]

does this duplicate button work for anyone else?

[heady frost]

I still need to go through and actually implement proper blueprint stuff, if you remind me I will do it tonight

[heady frost]

half those buttons don't work yet lol, been so preoccupied with bug fixing and adding all vanilla functionality

[exotic quartz]

we appreciate the good work

[exotic quartz]

seriously though how do I get scaling to show

[dark raptor]

I've been working on a joker idea, and I'd like it to be able to change my hand to a single suit, like the affect of sigil. How would I be able to do this? I'm a bit new to this tool.

[exotic quartz]

there's a variable called "suitvar", it's the one Ancient Joker uses. There's a whole list of vanilla jokers that you can examine, copy, and use as templates to get a hang of the tool.

[dark raptor]

Oh nice! That's a huge help. Thanks a ton.

[heady frost]

you need to add it to the description

the variable

it will be there and you click it and it adds it in place

will be something like #1#

[exotic quartz]

also another caveat with destruction seems to be that destruction procs only work once at a time

doing two at once trying to be efficient wastes an enhanced card

[heady frost]

yeah this is a known issue and it's quite high priority to fix

because it technically means certain vanilla jokers aren't fully correct

will be fixed before consumables are added for sure because hanged man needs to work properly and stuff

[woeful bough]

ok

[heady frost]

you could manually delete the "and not blueprint" stuff

[exotic quartz]

another annoying thing is that jokers that create other jokers need extra space to function. selling a knockoff invis joker at 5/5 slots just wastes it, it needs 4/5 to actually pay off

[icy crow]

Isn't this just more reliable(early) yorick with lower rarity

[heady frost]

this was brought up before, adding a parameter to create joker that dictates whether or not it needs a free slot to be added

would be good

[woeful bough]

added an issue to the github where probability on the copy joker ability effect doesnt work

[exotic quartz]

small discrepancy I found between discard and hand values

[woeful bough]

father son bonding

[cedar zealot]

was he just born

what did he feed his son

[strong sun]

Is there a way to "silence" when an effect from a joker is triggered in the rule builder? Like, you want the effect to go off, but silently, or with a message obscuring what it does instead of outright saying it?

[heady dock]

Well you can put a custom message

[strong sun]

I know that part, but field-testing the joker I'm working on in-game, the message pops up in addition to the effect I want to go off being displayed; I'm more interested in just the message and not showing what it does

[heady dock]

Not the show message effect

You have to add a custom message to the existing effect

[strong sun]

Yes, that's what I'm talking about

In game, when the effect triggers, it shows the effect having triggered, then shows the custom message, too

[exotic quartz]

we can leave custom message spaces blank for the default message, but is there a way to skip an unwanted message entirely?

[heady dock]

I mean it should do that i tthink

It just doesnt ig?

[strong sun]

Yeah, that's just about what I'm asking; basically using the custom message to "obfuscate" the default message for the effect instead of stating both. I'd expect that to be the intended result, but it's not doing that in the field test, lol

I guess I should state what I want this effect to do: Since the joker I'm working on has a 1 in 8 chance to either do one of seven effects or do nothing, I want the "do nothing" to basically have an obfuscated "eighth" effect that increases the joker's sale value without telling you it did

So that basically, when it pops, the joker "acts" like it did nothing, when instead it added to its sale value without you knowing until you check it

[heady frost]

what effect is it

is it sell value

[strong sun]

Sell value, yeah

[heady frost]

you could just go into the code and delete the message = line

no way to do it in joker forge yet tho unfortunately

SMODS sometimes adds messages to some effects natively too

which is slightly annoying but makes sense

[strong sun]

Is that a thing that can be done, though, maybe as a switch or something for the custom message?

[sour spear]

i have a card similar to that but gains mult every time a card is discarded

or more of the same name

[heady frost]

not in jokerforge but by editing the code yes

[woeful bough]

how do you add tooltips in joker forge?

[heady frost]

I don't even know how to add tooltips normally lol

[heady dock]

Add {T:<item key>} to the formatting

[woeful bough]

will this work if i type it into joker forge??

[wild pier]

fent

[woeful bough]

like during the export

[woeful bough]

they get smaller

[heady dock]

Yes

[woeful bough]

ok

[heady dock]

The raw text just becomes the description, anything you can do with regular text formatting can be done with joker forge

[woeful bough]

can i look at SMODS for the fromatting stuff then?

[heady dock]

Yes!

I basically use it for all my formatting in joker forge

[woeful bough]

for some reason using blueprint retriggers the scaling in on this joker. its only on this joker.

[heady dock]

Should gain ^0.4043......

[woeful bough]

?

oh

the boxes for numbers end at 4 digits

[heady dock]

Wow....

You could maybe copy paste from somewhere else

[dark raptor]

How do you recommend testing jokers, aside from just hoping to get one in game?

[heady dock]

Use debugplus

Did i say something wrong 😔

[icy crow]

Why @woeful bough be angry

[woeful bough]

my friend is killing me ten fold in my own mod

(multiplayer)

what kinda shop

[neon marten]

When exporting a single joker, it sets the atlas as 'Joker' instead of 'CustomJokers'

I'm updating ZvsMod rn'

and just encountered that issue

[heady dock]

That doesnt matter anyway right?

[heady frost]

good point lol. even then I don't think the atlas is correct in its position

[neon marten]

it crashed the game

[heady dock]

You cant put individual jokers in the game anyway

[neon marten]

exporting a single one's lua instead of the whole mod

[heady dock]

Yes

You cant just put that in your mods

[heady frost]

even then you will need to manually change the atlas anyways

because it doesn't know its position

[neon marten]

I'd add at least a notice when exporting a single joker anyways

[heady frost]

that feature is mainly there for if you want to quickly see the code of a joker or whatnot

I could add a notice tho true

[neon marten]

oh the texture lol

i just noticed the texture issues

[heady frost]

yeah because it doesn't know what sprite to use lol

[neon marten]

it updated with 1 new joker

https://github.com/Zvstheworld/Balatro-Zvs-Mod

[sinful plover]

i need help

how would i make a joker that copies the ability of a random other joker each round

[lapis mauve]

dont think thats possible as of now

[heady dock]

Yeah its not

[sinful plover]

aw damn

[woeful bough]

do i put the <>'s or no

like do i just put {T:J_joker}

or

{T:<J_joker>}

[icy crow]

...

[heady dock]

no

you dont

you never do

[icy crow]

Also small j

[heady dock]

with anything

where someone puts <>'s

[woeful bough]

ok

[woeful bough]

where is it?

like which part of the documentation

[heady dock]

WHERE IS OMNI MAN

https://github.com/Steamodded/smods/wiki/Text-Styling

[woeful bough]

thx

[woeful bough]

where are the keys for tags?

key*

[heady dock]

do you have 7zip

because that can make it very easy to find

[woeful bough]

i have winrar

[heady dock]

okay well idk if you can do it with winrar

[woeful bough]

ill get 7z if i cant

[heady dock]

but open up balatro's exe file and go into the localization files

then you can find the keys next to the actual item names in whatever language you want

[heady frost]

winrar should also just work

[woeful bough]

it does

[heady frost]

this joker revealed a big bug in my codegen so i appreciate you finding it haha. should be fixed now but let me know if anyone has any troubles because i had to change how codegen generates variables quite a bit lol

if noone finds anything, its time to work on custom rarities

[woeful bough]

changing the background music to a custom song when you get a new rarity like exotics do i cryptid would be cool

[heady frost]

i need some good non-cryptid mods that use in detail custom rarities so i can have a look

its all good reading smods docs but i learn better by seeing it actually in a mod

[woeful bough]

idk of any other mods that add custom rarity

[heady frost]

thats what i mean lol

and i dont like learning from cryptid code because it is much more confusing and i am worried i add to code gen functions that only cryptid uses

learning from cryptid takes like 1.5x as long for my brain to process what is actually going on because they just have wacky shit

thats why i liked learning from extra credit and vanilla remade

and some code stolen from grab bag like the joker importing in main.lua

[heady dock]

theres a ton of cryptid addons that add new rarities that probably dont have as messy code

[olive agate]

i made a github of my mod

[nimble island]

@woeful bough k where can i find your mod

[woeful bough]

balatro mod manager

[heady frost]

vanillaremade has rarities i just remembered

the actual code gen for the rarities is so, so easy

the hard part is changing the ui dynamically so you can set the custom rarity to your own jokers

[heady dock]

you could just add the ability to put in keys in the rarity selection as a temporary solution

[flat valve]

lol that was made by basil_squared and they let me use it

[woeful bough]

just look up cokelatro

[nimble island]

i got it, just wanted the updated version

[woeful bough]

wdym

[nimble island]

i had the first version

[woeful bough]

did you get it?

[heady frost]

pass my regards to them then lol

[woeful bough]

the highest rarity im adding is "almanetic"

[icy crow]

🥺

[heady frost]

custom rarities should be out past midnight tonight or early tomorrow. very close to being done

and by early tomorrow i mean whenever i wake up

[elfin nest]

Yippie!!!

Is there any conditions that check for rarity
I haven't played around with joker forge as much as cebee

[heady frost]

what would require a condition to check for rarity if jokers can only have rarity

i suppose maybe copy joker

and delete joker and stuff

[olive agate]

mine can be found on github

[woeful bough]

getting prepeared for consumables

[umbral stag]

not very important but this ain't invalid

[icy crow]

switch them around ig?

[nimble island]

is that a menorah

[icy crow]

i feel like it detects the same as it inserts

[umbral stag]

i always have c first in my code

idk why i just do

[woeful bough]

idk i looked up Hannukah candles cuz they kinda look cool

[elfin nest]

Could be that it triggers only certain jokers with said rarity

[heady frost]

good point

[exotic quartz]

is there any way to color custom messages?

[woeful bough]

what do you mean

[exotic quartz]

tried adding "{C:red}+8{}", but didn't work

[uneven hedge]

anything i could do to make this work https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1120035947921297460/1394071505104670903/2025-07-13_23-38-57.mp4?ex=687579c3&is=68742843&hm=bbfc0f1258a15910581d3880bca4f2e4b477cdd809125c4fd1fd5586563b9c15&

[icy crow]

if there isn't an option in the menu that's not possible

[woeful bough]

Don't change the message and it will say +8 on its own. Thats the default message

[exotic quartz]

I want it to be red

[umbral stag]

you can do it in code once it’s generated

there’ll be a thing that says “G.C.[color]” and you can just change it to red if you want

[woeful bough]

It will the mult text is already red?

[exotic quartz]

nope, it doesn't even display the +8 unless you specify it to

[icy crow]

"modify internal variable"

[umbral stag]

they’re changing an internal variable, not adding mult

[exotic quartz]

message displays seem oddly inconsistent

[woeful bough]

Lol

I just make mine say random stuff when it gets upgraded

[exotic quartz]

is that what it's based off? actually yeah that tracks

[woeful bough]

Also nowhere in the base game does it do that

Usually it says upgrade

In the yellow text

[umbral stag]

spare trousers:

[woeful bough]

I dont use that joker often

[umbral stag]

okay but that’s still factually incorrect 😭

[woeful bough]

Usually

[heady dock]

square joker:
uhhh i cant think of any others but i know there are

[woeful bough]

And suddenly... silence

[crude trail]

why doesn't anyone talk? i feel alone here😭

[rain mason]

PSA for anyone making a mod balanced around Cryptid's Madness gameset, it's being removed alongside Talisman support (which means that Cryptid as a whole is likely going to be balanced much closer to Vanilla, since it cannot use any operators beyond xChips/xMult without integrating it from Talisman to itself anymore)

[crude trail]

by the time consumables are added to the joker forge I will have at least 100 jokers.

[heady frost]

i will take you up on this challenge

[safe minnow]

huh?

[heady frost]

i promise i am developing this guys its just this type of thing has never been done before and im learning as im going along to

[rain mason]

yup

iirc someone's making a fork to preserve it but

the main mod's no longer gonna have madness or talisman support

[heady frost]

finally

removing talisman is actually good for cryptid

[rain mason]

well yeah

but I feel like they should've given ppl more warning than like

a couple of hours

[heady frost]

thats pretty mad yeah

[rain mason]

esp with how many cryptid addons are balanced around madness

and now they have to redo EVERYTHING to keep in-line with Cryptid

[heady frost]

yeah that is pretty fucked

[rain mason]

yeah

that's why a lot of ppl were against the change

[safe minnow]

entropy is gonna be so pissed

[rain mason]

but the devs pushed it anyways :/

[heady frost]

wait has the change already happened

or is it in development

[rain mason]

VallKarri's already said "fuck that" and made Talisman a dependency anyways

[rain mason]

from what I've heard, it's already being pushed to main branch

[heady frost]

lmao

ggs

[rain mason]

oh also I doubt it bc Ruby (the owner of Entropy) was the one doing most of these changes

since she's also an official Cryptid dev

[safe minnow]

oh right

[rain mason]

so she's probably already made a private build of Entropy to account for this lol

[safe minnow]

that makes sense

[umbral stag]

yeah cryptposting doesn’t care we are still gonna post our shit

shitposting forever

🔥

[safe minnow]

if posting, than only crypt!

[umbral stag]

if crypt then post
end

[woeful bough]

did the balancing changes come out?

[rain mason]

they've announced that they're finalizing it and are gonna push it to main apparently

so yeah

[woeful bough]

BRUHHHH

will madness stay the same?

[rain mason]

nope

it's being removed entirely

[woeful bough]

WHATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

im keeping my version

fuck that

[rain mason]

as well as all exponential jokers (since talisman's being removed and they required talisman support)

[woeful bough]

makeee meeee

[heady frost]

this might make me try cryptid again

thats it im removing exponential effects from joker forge

[rain mason]

...please don't

[woeful bough]

please dont...

[heady frost]

yeah im only kidding lol

[woeful bough]

there goes every exotic ig

besides lke 2

werent they going to remaster exponentia????

...wait this is fire advertising for my mod since its more unbalanced than cryptid

YEA!

[rain mason]

but yeah, despite the major pushback from the community, they're still doing it

which

yk

defeats the whole point of Cryptid but whatever

[woeful bough]

how to kill a mod:

[rain mason]

REAL

RIP Cryptid

7/2024-7/2025

[woeful bough]

they saw jens almanac dissapear and were like "oh okay since this is gone ig we can get rid of our good jokers"

like

[glass canopy]

okay this is

really wrong

like this whole conversation

no, ^stuff isnt being removed

[woeful bough]

so how is talisman being removed?

[glass canopy]

basically Xchips and ^stuff is gonna be implemented manually

[woeful bough]

oh

how bad is the balancing?

[glass canopy]

idk why talisman is being removed cause like you're losing more than youre gaining

[glass canopy]

wdym

[woeful bough]

theyre rebalncing the mod right

like the whole thing

[glass canopy]

yeah

yeah

[woeful bough]

compared to how unbalanced it is now how much closer to a vanilla mod is it

[glass canopy]

very close to vanilla

[woeful bough]

...

[woeful bough]

exotics changing?

[glass canopy]

most likely

a lot of exotics are getting remastered or deleted atm

[woeful bough]

...

[glass canopy]

however: worry not

[woeful bough]

"intentionally unbalanced"

[nimble island]

It’s midnight for me and I’m skimming this reading that cryptid is removing the exotics and scoring like wtf

[woeful bough]

no

some exotics

[glass canopy]

if you still wanna play cryptid like the old days a legacy version will be available

[nimble island]

TLDR?

What changed

[glass canopy]

tl:dr they're making cryptid vanilla-esque

[woeful bough]

cryptid is going to be vanilla slop now basically with more flourish

[nimble island]

Fml

Why

Unbalanced was the only selling point

[woeful bough]

bunco, buffoonery, extra credit, rofflatro. dont we have enough???

[woeful bough]

my mod is more unbalanced than cryptid so this gives me free advertising

WWWW

capitilizing off of tragedies 🗣️ 🔥

[glass canopy]

ruby is going for a more intended-ish experience, as to where even in the most powerful deck you still dont get a free win

[nimble island]

9/11 T-shirts

[glass canopy]

???

[nimble island]

Fuggedaboutit

[glass canopy]

I think cryptid will still be very good

just very different

[nimble island]

This after polterworx died is making me lose faith in balatromanity

[woeful bough]

https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1394097365803077652

[woeful bough]

you still have my mod 🙂

[crude trail]

we will see who finishes first

[nimble island]

I WILL.

[heady frost]

soon

[crude trail]

HELL YEAH 🔥

[woeful bough]

is that a reference

[nimble island]

Omg

Omg

Is it out

[woeful bough]

Gmoa

[heady frost]

no not yet

[nimble island]

Or

Oh

[heady frost]

just polishing some stuff

very close to being out

give it like an hour and a half maybe

[woeful bough]

🙏

[nimble island]

Holy mother forking shirtballs

[elfin nest]

🔥🔥

[crude trail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1303797147933741156.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=jimbo_spin

[woeful bough]

now i just gotta wait for consumables so the trancedants arent easy

[elfin nest]

Perfect me and cebee shall hype about that tomorrow!!
Woosh nighty chat

[elfin nest]

Once this website's fully done I'm gonna go wild!

[neon marten]

I can’t wait for consumables lol

[woeful bough]

idea some time in the future: changing the main background music like how cryptid does with exotics

[nimble island]

Im thinking of making a localthunk mathisfun and goodmorning joker, rarity the creators

[neon marten]

1 in 10 chance to make a random joker Negative will go hard 🔥 🔥

[woeful bough]

hey 😠

[neon marten]

lol

[woeful bough]

what kinda bug-

[heady frost]

code gen is fully working, just tweaking some ui bugs now

[glass canopy]

YEAHH

[crude trail]

based on this image

[heady frost]

custom rarities is out! its as simple as defining a custom rarities in the new page, then changing your jokers to be that rarity

[crude trail]

HELL YEAH

[woeful bough]

YEAAA

[heady frost]

let me know if anyone has any troubles with it

[crude trail]

NONO

COPY FAIL

[crude trail]

WHERE IS IT?

I can't find it

[woeful bough]

refresh

[heady frost]

refresh the page

now that ive done custom rarities, i have a better understanding on how to do more stuff nicely. so might look into starting to implement custom consumables in the next day or two

[crude trail]

I did it 4 times

[woeful bough]

DAY OR TWO?????

[heady frost]

START

[heady frost]

wait youre right

deployment failed

[woeful bough]

ok

[heady frost]

okay give it a minand it should be up now

[crude trail]

now i will have more inspiration for more jokers

[heady frost]

custom consumables will probably take a good month of development until i move onto decks and stakes and stuff

i want to get things right

update should be up

i probably should update version num

[icy crow]

"tomorrow I'll order the christmas presents"
"CHRISTMAS IS TOMORROW?!?!?"

[woeful bough]

i got my new pc like 2 weeks before christmas lol

[heady frost]

i bought my current pc in 2023

but i splurged

[heady frost]

64gb of ram, ryzen 7 9800x3d, 6950xt

[heady frost]

demon rarity

let me know if it works, i tested a lot but you never know when you push changes lol

[woeful bough]

thats why were here!

[icy crow]

That's cap

Well now probably not as much

But initially

[woeful bough]

some of us

not all of us

[heady frost]

you guys have found like a million bugs i couldve never have found on my own its great

[crude trail]

HELL YEAH

[heady frost]

lets gooooooo

[crude trail]

now if you will excuse me I will spend 2 hours giving custom oddities to my jokers.

[heady frost]

😈

[woeful bough]

will music-changing be added later?

lke the main BG music when you obtain something

[heady frost]

will probably be added when other things are done yeah

i will go back and refine each of them once i have good groundwork for all major systems

[woeful bough]

ok

[dark raptor]

Pretty proud of this one! I can't seem to get it to work tho, every time I try, it creates an ectoplasm card instead of a sigil one.

[woeful bough]

no ability for it to appear in souls?

[heady frost]

didnt even think of that, will add it to the list but right now you might just have to make legendaries

[heady frost]

strange, i will look into it tomorrow

[woeful bough]

ok

[dark raptor]

appreciate it

[crude trail]

everything goes perfect

[woeful bough]

rarities update is out now. prob on BMM soon but idk

[sour spear]

oh i forgot flushtro is out now in bmm

[woeful bough]

is it flustro or flushtro?

[sour spear]

you know what nvm

ima fix it after patch

[woeful bough]

normal joker showed up twice. i dont have showman

[crude trail]

@heady frost

[woeful bough]

also its unbelievable common

[heady frost]

debugplus issue

[woeful bough]

oh

ok

[heady frost]

yeah i looked into this before lol

[woeful bough]

is this a good joker (this rarity is higher than rare, but below legendary)

im prob not gonna update until consumables cuz im making the art for mine rn

And I'm out of joker ideas atm

[heady frost]

incredulous

i love that

also that is a good joker

does it work tho, does set ante work with that trigger

[woeful bough]

Idk

I'll try

[woeful bough]

no

im gonna rearrange it

this is the base for the consumables

these are the packs

the jumbo and megas took like 10 seconds to make lol

[crude trail]

tomorrow I will start making my designs for consumables and their pack

[heady frost]

thats upsetting

maybe put destroy joker last

[woeful bough]

i will try

[woeful bough]

still happened :/

er

i guess didnt happen

[sour spear]

erm gyulp

[heady frost]

was ths made with joker forge

thats so fire

[sour spear]

i made the sprite into a overlay and made the base card sprite empty so the negative effect doesnt recolor the joker

[sour spear]

also v1.1.1 update on flushtro is out now, adds 5 new jokers

[civic anvil]

Is there any way to compare previous played hands cards with current played hands? For example so that a 5 of a kind of 4s and a 5 of a kind of 5s are different as an example, or a k q j 10 9 straight and q j 10 9 8 straight are different

or does that require external coding to make a thing

[civic anvil]

eh ill rework it to least played hand rather than unique hand. same idea. Does least played hand count secret hands until they're unlocked or no?

[civic anvil]

if it does then is this enough to account for it?

[civic anvil]

eh i'll just disallow secret hands for now just in case they count

[woeful bough]

guys do you believe it

with debug plus off he still showed up again

the army

[somber oar]

Excited to use this when I get home to work on my mod. Currently on a Europe trip but will be home tomorrow.

[slate glen]

@heady frost love to see the new custom rarities feature, but have a small request

you should def be able to select custom rarities as options in stuff like create joker triggers

[nimble island]

yeah

also welcome back herbie

or not welcome but yk

[exotic quartz]

making a joker that gains buffs from other crappy jokers, but only one will proc at a time. is there a way to make them stack?

[civic anvil]

the "X rank considered as Y" seems broken. Can't seem to make queens count as anything else as well (in this case kings and jacks)

[civic anvil]

full crash report for the record

the idea for this joker is that a valid straight could be a q q q 10, a valid full house could be kkqjj and 5 of a kind could be made with jjjjq

[nimble island]

is that a rarity?

I made a ''Bonkers!'' rarity

[low jasper]

i made a rarity called "Deal with the Devil" where all the jokers with it are eternal, and give you a disadvantage, but an advantage in return.

[wild pier]

hi asbm man i fucking love this mod

aubergine fucking sucks because it just sticks the card on my screen and i cant sell

getting my balala joker notebook

[low jasper]

joker design that i did

[exotic quartz]

is there a difference between Generic Compare and Internal Variable?

[heady dock]

Generic compare can compare game variables

And it can compare 2 variables instead of a variable and a constant number

[sour spear]

this looks like etched joker of cavendish but deepfried as hell

cool

[woeful bough]

👀

[exotic quartz]

@heady frost is the new update out? Recursion, Jack Seals, and just about all the earlier issues still seem broken

[icy crow]

Let the man sleep

[wild pier]

vro coke make a math joker and it spawns a random jimbo thats math related that can only be discovered from this joker and yes, the mult is now x instead of +.

so basically

Jimbo ²

or Jimbo ½

smth like ts

[heady frost]

yessir, jack seals is not broken and recursion triggers aren't implemented

try refreshing

[woeful bough]

When i get out of bed

And play some cod

[low jasper]

what feature do you think you are gonna add next

[heady frost]

next big feature will be the start of consumables

and i will probably we working on consumables for a couple of weeks

[woeful bough]

speaking of which, the art for the first one of mine is done

applies a random ehancement to every card in hand

[heady frost]

i need to look at consumable code and everything

i havent even had a proper look at how to make them lol

[icy crow]

Basically the same but instead of calculate you have use

And there's can_use

[heady frost]

just had a good look now real quick

[lapis mauve]

might not be much you can do about it but the color picker is really jittery

also could be nice if you could type in weights automatically

[heady frost]

it seems fairly straightforward but the hard part will be thinking of good triggers, conditions, and effects for them

[heady frost]

good point, ill add it to the github as an issue

[lapis mauve]

edit card is definitely a good start

and clicking outside the ui while for example making a joker just deletes all progress

could be annoying

[icy crow]

I don't know how you would approach consumables but having one block with conditions and effects (no triggers) could be split up so that effects would be in use function and conditionals in can_use function

[lapis mauve]

at least for me it is a little annoying

you can't drag outside the box either

or itll just close

[heady frost]

this is intended so its easier to close it when you want, should probably still save tho you are right

[wild pier]

play sound or replace boss blind music effect thingamabob thingymajig thing when

[heady frost]

are all consumables just using can_use

[heady frost]

alteast when consumables are done

[wild pier]

kk

consumables would be epic..

so glad consumables are being added in

[heady frost]

and use

[icy crow]

I mean it's the check if you can click the use button

[wild pier]

do you know how to do like booster packs too

or not yet

[heady frost]

oohh i get you

[heady frost]

booster packs will come at the same time as consumables, will probably be editable on the same page

i just need to learn everything there is to know about consumables and figure out a way to do it

[wild pier]

koolio

[heady frost]

i think you are right, triggers wouldnt make sense