Joker Forge - Create Balatro Mods Visually and Export the Lua Files (WIP)

[exotic quartz]

I mean that destroying cards would add mult to the joker, it would be a +mult scaling joker

[woeful bough]

you can do that

?

canio for example

flash card is a +mult scaling joker

[exotic quartz]

oh

I've only just found out about this I have no idea how to work variables

[heady dock]

Create one in the variables menu from the little bar at the bottom, then you can just do anything with it basically

[exotic quartz]

would variables be able to make negative copies of destroyed cards or is that too niche

[woeful bough]

it would have to copy the card as a negative first and then destroy it

[exotic quartz]

right, in that order, but how might that be done

[woeful bough]

nevermind you can just use this

mod

[exotic quartz]

how do you get that option? something imported from another mod?

wait nvm I thought I read "destroyed" not scored

[heady dock]

Variables are just numbers that you can change so no

Also idk if the card destroyed trigger supports copying cards

[woeful bough]

referencia

[olive agate]

looks cool

[woeful bough]

does anyone know why this doesnt work if i destroy more than one card with different suits?

[exotic quartz]

is it even possible to create more specific joker effects by editing the json?

[woeful bough]

you would edit main.lua i think

[heady dock]

Not really, the json is exclusively just the stuff that joker forge creates in a simple file

You would have to edit the actual code after exporting the mod for that

[exotic quartz]

ok

[exotic quartz]

edit enhancement doesn't have bonus cards?

[exotic quartz]

how did you get canio on here?

[woeful bough]

click this

it gives you the vanilla jokers remade in joker forge

[exotic quartz]

I don't understand

[woeful bough]

coded wrong

[exotic quartz]

how can I fix it

[woeful bough]

they can be in the same one

you have them seperate

[exotic quartz]

that's the only way it works?

[woeful bough]

yes

because it does "when card scored>X2mult>destroy"

the rule breaker breaks with yours because its trying to do 2 seperate ones at the same time instead of one after the other

[exotic quartz]

ok

also tried this card where Full House gains 0.5x Mult. Not playing Full house has a 1 in 2 chance to reset. The card description seemed to work, but it didn't actually do anything

(I was going to add the 1/2 chance after)

[woeful bough]

same issue here

every "when hand is played" should apply Xmult var

[exotic quartz]

this is copied straight from the campfire template though, what needs to change?

[heady dock]

Delete rule 1 since its blocking the other rules

Having multiple rules of the same trigger will only activate the first one where the condition passes

[woeful bough]

as long as all of the rules have "apply Xmult" it doesnt matter

[woeful bough]

the other one is not equals full house

[heady dock]

Well yeah but the first rule has no condition

[woeful bough]

Rule 2 is equals
Rule 4 is not equals

[heady dock]

In the original

[woeful bough]

yea

[heady dock]

So the others wont activate

[woeful bough]

this is the working version

just tested it

[heady dock]

Rule 3 is useless since either one of the others is always true

And it prevents rule 4 from triggering since it doesnt have a condition

[exotic quartz]

so what are the dos and don'ts of having multiple of the same trigger

[woeful bough]

rule 3 is useless

basically

if a trigger doesnt have a different condition but does the same thing its pointless

[exotic quartz]

yeah I can see this version making rule 3 obsolete but why wouldn't my version trigger

[heady dock]

Well having multiple of the same trigger acts as the following:
if first trigger condition:
first trigger effect
else, if second trigger condition:
Second trigger effect
Basically, only one will activate each time

[woeful bough]

because the other 2 were priority

since they had a condition

[heady dock]

Yours doesnt work because the first rule has no condition and therefore always blocks the others

[woeful bough]

and it always either does or doesnt contain full house

[exotic quartz]

is it usually this confusing at first

[woeful bough]

so putting "applying Xmult" on rule 2 and 4 is how to apply it

[woeful bough]

depends on your knowledge of logic in coding

[exotic quartz]

I know how to /set time day in minecraft

thats about it

[woeful bough]

this joker had the same problem

[heady dock]

Wdym by money between 0 lmfao

[woeful bough]

oops :/

[heady dock]

Vagabonds best friend

[woeful bough]

ive gotten mine to 12 thousand

but then i couldnt spend all the money in one shop and it broke 😦

[woeful bough]

perkeo+wraith

[heady dock]

Oh thats peak

[exotic quartz]

Grenade works as intended, but this one doesn't

[woeful bough]

what doesnt work

[exotic quartz]

trying to make a joker that retriggers 4's and 7's 3 times, then destroys them

but the destroy part doesn't work

[woeful bough]

🤷‍♂️ @heady dock ?

[nimble island]

narinder lets go

[woeful bough]

my friend asked me to make that lol

i havent played the game myself

[nimble island]

oh its the best

[nimble island]

done. I made wally from pokemon

[heady dock]

Idfk

Looks like a bug

[woeful bough]

happened to me to

with this

[heady dock]

Must be some general bug with conditional retriggers ig?

[heady frost]

there is a bug when you combine retriggers with destroying I think

because they both don't follow typical effect rules, they have to do special things

[woeful bough]

this doesnt destroy tho?

[heady frost]

oh

maybe when hand is played happens after card scored technically

try using the before trigger

[heady dock]

Pretty sure this suffers from the same issue as the photograph recreation where the scoring is on the first trigger and not the first card of a rank

[heady frost]

is there a before trigger

[heady dock]

There isnt

[woeful bough]

wdym?

[heady frost]

I should probably add a before trigger

[heady dock]

Im pretty sure the when hand is played is serving the same purpose as context.after would here

[woeful bough]

and a "___ scored card in hand" condition

[heady frost]

I looked into doing this, I think it would be good to have a parameter for suit and card here

[woeful bough]

also this only works when a card is destroyed one at a time

like it doesnt trigger if i destroy a club and a heart

[heady dock]

What is it actually supposed to do? Like just gain mult after destroying 1 card of each suit?

[woeful bough]

yea

1 spade, 1 heart, 1 club, 1 diamond. gains 2x

the left is for wild cards

[heady dock]

Why do wild cards not count unless you dont have any progress to the next mult lmfao

[woeful bough]

wdym?

OH

[heady dock]

Lol

[woeful bough]

still

the base function doesnt work

[heady dock]

Yeah idk why it doesnt work, it looks like it should

[heady frost]

this is a known bug on the GitHub issues, will probably sort it when I rewrite some bits of the backend

[woeful bough]

ok

[heady frost]

not probably, definitely, because vanilla jokers work like that

[woeful bough]

like flower pot?

[heady dock]

Flower pot works differently i think

[woeful bough]

does canio have the same bug?

[heady dock]

Flower pot does a suit count => 1 for every suit (and i think at least 4 scoring cards too? It should at least)

[woeful bough]

wild cards

[heady dock]

Why wouldnt that work with wild cards

[woeful bough]

atleast 4 cards

one wild card makes flower pot work

[heady dock]

No it doesnt

At least not in vanilla

[woeful bough]

really?

thats stupid

[heady dock]

Wild cards only count as a single suit per suit check, so when flower pot checks the suit of a wild card it will only fulfill 1 suit requirement

[woeful bough]

oh also

*there are still some bugs

but it works mostly!

[heady dock]

Cant wait to play peak gaming 🔥

[woeful bough]

might release a bugfix rn

[oblique egret]

anyone have any idea why this joker isnt destroying jokers when blind is selected

[heady dock]

What are the parameters i destroy joker

[oblique egret]

random

[heady dock]

Can i see like a screenshot of all the parameters

[heady dock]

Okay no clue why that doesnt work

It should

[oblique egret]

might have to do with the copy ability being in there to?

[heady dock]

Maybe its an issue with the ceremonial dagger mechanic that got added recently but idkk

[oblique egret]

Ive tried other parameters for destroying jokers and nothing worked

[heady dock]

I'd open a github issue about this with the mod json attached

[neon marten]

OH MY GOD THIS IS A LIFESAVER TYSM

[woeful bough]

brainstorm says its compatible (and the mod i have changes its appearance) but it doesnt work??

[heady dock]

Did you turn on blueprint compat in joker forge

[woeful bough]

yes

[icy crow]

Isn't blueprint compat just a visibility thing

Like the green box on blueprint

[woeful bough]

still

why wouldnt it be?

[heady dock]

Idk isnt proper blueprint compat a bit broken right now

[woeful bough]

The effect in the rule builder is buggy

Not the actual one

^blueprint works with every other blueprint compat joker except this one :/

[heady frost]

hey guys

blueprint compatability is fucky at the moment, i need to make it so that it removes all the not blueprint checks if you check that box but for now i will add more vanilla effects

[woeful bough]

Ok

[sour spear]

is that cult of the lamb reference

[neon marten]

yeah it is

How do I make this work?

My brother asked me to make this

[heady frost]

i dont think currently that functionality is posible in jokerforge, you could just export a simpler version and edit the code manually to work

[neon marten]

yeah good idea

[heady frost]

for this joker that is possible right now

should just work

[neon marten]

Ik but the 1 in 10 chance is what im stuck on

[heady frost]

go to the create joker effect in the inspector and click the random chance button in the top right

it will create a random chance group

https://github.com/Jayd-H/joker-forge/wiki/Creating-a-Joker-in-Joker-Forge#random-chance-groups

[neon marten]

Got it

thanks

[woeful bough]

The suits are the four bishops

[turbid jetty]

How to get to the top of treat btw

[woeful bough]

Oops all 6's works right?

[turbid jetty]

I need to scroll up everytime

[woeful bough]

Top of what?

[turbid jetty]

This chat

[woeful bough]

Idk

[heady dock]

Are you on pc or mobile

If youre on pc there should be a jump to top button in the top right

[turbid jetty]

I have discord on mobile

[heady dock]

Okay idk then

[neon marten]

Is there a way to see how many chips there was after the player plays a hand?

before it scores

nvm

I dont think you can

[nimble island]

boom

[woeful bough]

What do

[nimble island]

something op

its description is ''I MADE IT ALL POSSIBLE'' in dark edition

[heady dock]

What if it made all scored cards polychrome

[nimble island]

that could be one of the rules yeah

ill take all suggestions for this joker

i want to add as many rules to it as possible

[heady frost]

added the lucky card triggered condition to card scored so that lucky cat can be replicated

what are some quick and easy ones like this

[nimble island]

all editions and enhancements

[heady frost]

i mean to like finish off the remaining vanilla jokers

[nimble island]

midas?

oh

dorry

its already there

[heady frost]

yeah lmao theres not many left

9 left

pareidolia, smeared joker, showman, are all out of the question because they require a bit more time

and four fingers

[woeful bough]

What is left

[heady frost]

this is the list
Four Fingers
Credit Card
Pareidolia
Shortcut
Hologram
Trading Card
Smeared Joker
Showman
Driver's License

[nimble island]

oh yeah showman would be really tough

hologram next i think

would be easiest

[woeful bough]

Trading card?

[heady frost]

trading card might be easy

trading card might already be doable

and drivers license

[heady dock]

Trading card can already be remade though right?

And drivers license

[woeful bough]

Pretty sure there is a "first discard of round" gamevar

[heady dock]

Its just a condition

But yeah

[woeful bough]

After that I think hologram would be easiest

[heady frost]

yeah but currently no way to check how many cards are in a discard, will do that now

let me see if i can just copy paste the code over for the "card count" for hand and card scored lol

[woeful bough]

I thought there was a cards in discard gamevar?

[heady dock]

Thats the discard pile (optional smods feature, just tracks what cards have been discarded in the round)

[heady frost]

i mean like, there is no "card count" condition for discard

to check if you only have discarded 1 card for the discard

[woeful bough]

O

[heady frost]

just added drivers license, will add trading card later

[olive agate]

what about sunset?

you know where it retriggers all scored cards on last hand?

[heady frost]

dusk

[olive agate]

what about smeared joker?

[lyric cradle]

do credit card

[heady frost]

smeared and pareidolia will be done at the same time and it will take more time

[olive agate]

so basically multitasking?

[heady frost]

it will be the 'considered as' effect, and will allow you to make any rank/suit be classed as any other rank/suit

[exotic quartz]

been pulling my hair out over this for the past 10 minutes

[heady dock]

Did you put a symbol in any variable name or smth

[woeful bough]

you cant have " or '

[woeful bough]

sned your main.lua

im not qualified but ill look through and see if i can find something based on my experience with crashes

[woeful bough]

are these ultrakill themed?

prob whatever this nil is

send the joker rules

[exotic quartz]

tried making a joker that would blueprint everything for the first hand.

[woeful bough]

there is no copy all/random copy effect yet

[lapis mauve]

I dont think a single joker can copy multiple jokers at the same time

[woeful bough]

true

[exotic quartz]

really? why not?

[lapis mauve]

because itd be really hard to code

[exotic quartz]

it's been done in countless other mods, just doesn't work for jokerforge?

[lapis mauve]

since it needs functionality of multiple jokers

which mods for example

[exotic quartz]

cryptid has doodle

[woeful bough]

doodle 💀

boredom retriggers jokers

not copies

[exotic quartz]

yahimod has like 8 different knockoff blueprints

[woeful bough]

retriggering jokers is different

[exotic quartz]

i see

[woeful bough]

retriggering isnt technically copying

it just does it again

[exotic quartz]

seems a lot more straightforward too

[woeful bough]

^it would cool if he added it

retriggering jokers also retriggers their scaling

[exotic quartz]

even with the copy jokers disabled something's still causing issues though

[woeful bough]

what 💀

[woeful bough]

idk

most likely due to retrigger jerker

[exotic quartz]

got the mod to launch but only about 1/10 of the jokers are even functional

if anyone were to help find what's catastrophically wrong with a few of these I'd be relieved

[nimble island]

i have a crazy idea

when all vanilla jokers are possible

i could make the ultimate joker and have every possible joker in one

probably wont work as they override

but as many as possible

[woeful bough]

great mind think alike

[exotic quartz]

originally I was gonna do gold seals retrigger twice since it was close enough to ricoshots, but thought it would be a bit more balanced and varied with other seals too

[woeful bough]

what?

[exotic quartz]

apparently balatro discord hates tenor every gif is blocked lmao

that or v1 coin gifs

[woeful bough]

yeah

[woeful bough]

ive beaten 7-2 in 4 minutes

[woeful bough]

drew this myself btw

*the joker

i draw all my jokers myself

[arctic chasm]

For those you should look into smods util, I know there's one for smeared and four fingers

[nimble island]

so far i have 9 rules for my aseprite joker, how many should i make total (i want it to be OP)

[woeful bough]

just make it give ^1000000000 like 20 times

[nimble island]

I still want the game to not crash

[woeful bough]

it wont

trust me it wont

[lapis mauve]

it might

[nimble island]

maybe ^100 after cards are scored for every negative joker you have

[lapis mauve]

people's pc gonna catch on fire

[woeful bough]

must be a bad pc tbh

[nimble island]

its op but it wont be boringly easy

[woeful bough]

mine was like 800 and i have had like 30 jokers each at ^ee6

and it calculated it fine

and my computer didnt scream

[nimble island]

im gonna have it be so op but when I play a 3 it destroys itself lmao

[woeful bough]

why doesnt this work?

nvm

[nimble island]

funny given inside was created during social isolation and lockdown

[woeful bough]

never watched inside tbh

only that song from it

its a banger tho

[nimble island]

should I add a description? or use those 17 hours doing something else

[woeful bough]

it should just say when. with a scale of like 3

[heady dock]

Exponents arent that intensive at all, should be fine

[woeful bough]

@heady frost did you fix vouchers not becoming free?

[heady dock]

Ive played cryptid with exponents in triple e without crashing

[woeful bough]

thats what i said

[heady dock]

I didnt read the entire conversation mb

[woeful bough]

first person to name EVERY reference here (some dont have one, so if you think it doesnt, probably doesnt) gets a cookie

[nimble island]

cant i can only name inside matpat gravity falls you vsauce pokemon garrys mod sonic exe and cotl

[heady dock]

i see gravity falls triangle man, gravity falls books, sonic.exe, largely influential podcast people (crypto scam), garry's mod, ultrakill, game theory, pokemon, cult of the lamb, mandelbrot, vsauce

idk who or what mandelbrot is but ive heard the name

[heady frost]

range values dont work on copy joker

and copy joker is the effect that literally copies the joker

[woeful bough]

mandelbrots are infinitely scaling fractals

[heady frost]

not the jokers ability

[heady dock]

ohhhhh yeah i remember now

[exotic quartz]

I figured as much

[woeful bough]

you got everything besides myself 😦

[heady dock]

i was going to say that but i forgor 💀

[woeful bough]

*the other legendaries that look like my icon/style are my friens

[woeful bough]

and kid named finger which is just this

[nimble island]

what should he do

[woeful bough]

he looks better!

[heady dock]

i didnt even see kid named finger lmfao

[nimble island]

me neithber and i get that reference

[woeful bough]

lol

[heady dock]

+1 joker slot
-1 hand per round
🔥

[nimble island]

bro#

[exotic quartz]

I've been wanting to make a Solitaire themed joker, where going from A to K,Q,J, 10 and so on will give +1 Mult. The first variable is the rank, which decrements each time it meets the condition. The second is the mult scale value, which increments each time it meets the condition. And the last one actually adds the +mult based on the second variable. But I can't even play an ace without the game crashing.

[woeful bough]

prob because i used irl jimbo instead

[nimble island]

you summoned him

lmao

[neon marten]

when will Oops All 6s synergies be added?

[heady dock]

i think its because youre performing math on a rank variable, which as far as i know is a string

[heady dock]

as in?

[woeful bough]

how well do you know welcome to the internet?

[nimble island]

memorized

but its not my fave bo burnham song

[exotic quartz]

then is there a way to make ranks cycle as of rn?

[woeful bough]

a random guy just kindly sent you photos of... (finish it, i dare you)

[heady dock]

unique interaction for each possible rank that the variable can be

thats all i can think of

[exotic quartz]

the tedious way then

[nimble island]

his glock

[woeful bough]

🙂

good ending

well maybe not good

but not the bad

guys i need to add more music artists who should i add

[nimble island]

do you know sub urban

[woeful bough]

no

[nimble island]

ok

nevermind

[heady frost]

yes, look at castle in vanilla reforged

mail-in rebate too

[woeful bough]

idol?

[exotic quartz]

isn't suitvar random each time though?

[nimble island]

@heady frost if you were a legendary joker what would your effect be

[heady dock]

im pretty sure they meant cycling ranks in order lol

[exotic quartz]

set up a joker that retriggered successful lucky cards in hopes good enough luck could get 2-4 retriggers, but apparently no fun allowed

[heady frost]

oooh i get you, that would be cool

it would require a change to the change rankvar effect

but you could probably do it pretty esasily manually i reckon if you just base the code off of whats already there

[woeful bough]

CRT

[heady dock]

the game crashes when i hover over anything and everything (as in the joker with that name) 😔

[woeful bough]

once your actually IN the game

like the blind select screen

it doesnt break

[heady dock]

oh okay!

[woeful bough]

that joker might be bugged tho

[exotic quartz]

tried doing a scuffed randomize enhancement joker and it crashes the game

[woeful bough]

because i put "if allowed jokers is less than joker count" which breaks it

it will be fixed in the next update

@heady frost position in hand today?

[heady dock]

probably because it rolls for every enhancement seperately

but there should definitely be a random enhancement option

[neon marten]

Oops All Sixes duplicating modded chances

[heady dock]

yeah thats already done by default

[woeful bough]

how can you show it visually?

[heady dock]

put the numerator and denominator variables in your description

instead of the plain numbers

[woeful bough]

ok

[nimble island]

I just need to add rules to 2 more jokers and I'm done with my mod until consumables and stuff are added or until I want to do more

[heady frost]

currently working on trading card, if I have time before chemist I'll implement it, I looked into it and it's slightly more difficult than I'd have hoped to fit into the code gen but it is required because things like photograph need it

[woeful bough]

they dont need to but they make it way easier

who knows this reference?

[nimble island]

music to be murdered by

eminem

smart

[woeful bough]

forgot the advisory

cant have kids listenign to this 🙅‍♂️

[woeful bough]

lyrics leak 🔥

@heady frost is there a way to do this currently?

[heady frost]

i dont believe so because there is no "when joker is destroyed" trigger

you could do something like madness that has the joker destroy those itself or something

[slate glen]

look at me, I am the baron now

[woeful bough]

RIP

[heady frost]

i cant wait tho until all these vanilla jokers are done then i can re-overhaul the code generation system again

i want it to be basically perfect, theres a lot of things wrong with it currently

[woeful bough]

when it says "collection: does it mean in your current joker slots?

[heady frost]

yes

[woeful bough]

okay

[heady frost]

collection is weird phrasing tho i agree

[nimble island]

Here's my mod

im done for now

[woeful bough]

9 more until the next update

btw the mod is on BMM

[woeful bough]

with the "appear in shop" option, does it also make it not appear in packs or judgement?

[heady frost]

yes

i believe so

[woeful bough]

ok

[heady frost]

lets goooooo

[woeful bough]

its a buggy version

but auto update is on

so when i publish this release itll work

i pray

[woeful bough]

i may have found a temp fix to photograph and hanging chad

*atleast my joker

probably should be "when hand is drawn" not first

[heady frost]

oh shit thats fire, i think when i made photograph i hadnt made that trigger yet lol

feel free to make a corrected version and make a pull request on the github with the code if you can be bothered

all vanilla reforged jokers just use the same exported json from the site in one big list in vanillareforged.json

[woeful bough]

im gonna make sure it works first

no 😦

same issue it had for me before

doesnt retrigger

new ones ingame

[woeful bough]

found a bug: this one is supposed to trigger when any card is destroyed, but i used immolate and it only triggered once

[heady dock]

doesnt this have the same issue where it only triggers the first time a card is scored instead of every time the first card is scored

[heady dock]

i cant read 😔

[woeful bough]

(its supposed to do this)

[heady frost]

known bug with the destroy card trigger unfortunately

https://github.com/Jayd-H/joker-forge/issues/141

[woeful bough]

oh

okay

sry if im bothering you a lot btw :/

[heady frost]

in the meantime i added trading card

[heady frost]

no dont worry about it, i would rather know about the bugs and everything

it makes it so much more robust

i was reading something i think one of the devs of cryptid was saying about jokerforge the other day and they said something like "i dont get why he didnt just wait until it was all working before he released it"

and that annoyed me a little because i would not know about most of the bugs that have been found if i did that

because i solely cant test every edge case haha

[woeful bough]

your not a studio, basically

[heady frost]

yeah lmao, i dont have my own QA team so you guys are my QA team

[heady frost]

7 more to go
Four Fingers
Credit Card
Pareidolia
Shortcut
Hologram
Smeared Joker
Showman

[woeful bough]

holo?

[heady frost]

i will work on hologram, i wanna get these all done as soon as possible so i can start fixing bugs

[heady frost]

yeah holo would be the easiest

and basically the rest of them require their own passive effect which are a pain to do because they just dont work like anything else ive built lol

hologram just needs a new trigger "when playing card is added"

[olive agate]

i wanna make a joker that when sold halves all shop prices

[heady frost]

probably wouldnt be possible without manually editing the code because the discount items effect is a passive trigger effect

you could potentially just make two rules, one with the trigger you want and one with the effect you want and just copy paste the code to combine them lol

my mum just dropped off my perscription 🐐

[olive agate]

tried my best to make it look like a coupon but turns out it doesnt

[woeful bough]

this is my coupon joker

[olive agate]

can i use it?

[woeful bough]

its kinda in the mod :/

[olive agate]

oh

[woeful bough]

https://github.com/cokeblock/Cokelatro/releases/tag/2.6.0 idk if its on BMM yet but i just pushed out an update!

major balancing and bugfixes

[sour spear]

crazy

[woeful bough]

Update: it is on BMM

hooray!

[heady frost]

you love to see ti

it

[woeful bough]

also for anyone wondering it works with multiplayer!

[heady frost]

added the when playing card is added trigger for hologram. 6 left...

next will probably a 'allow in debt' kinda effect for jokers like credit card

[exotic pasture]

is CryptLib support planned after everything else is done?

[heady frost]

i will have to have a look at cryptlib

i heard good things

but i would like to support it

[woeful bough]

whats cryptlib?

[heady frost]

along with things like joker display and stuff

[exotic pasture]

It just has everything cryptid adds api-wise, without the need to install cryptid

[woeful bough]

there goes my question

[heady frost]

yeah, i could make exclusive effects and conditions for cryptlib support

would be really nice to do

but not once the main things are implemented

[exotic pasture]

ofc you can just replace cryptlib with cryptid and itd be the same

[heady frost]

and by then cryptlib would probably be in a nicer state too

[olive agate]

so why not add that?

[woeful bough]

like how cryptid stuff can go over naneinf in values? that kinda thing?

[exotic pasture]

main thing i didnt see here is hand size modifications which idk if its a cryptlib thing

[heady frost]

other things like custom consumables, ui overhaul, custom rarity, all that come first

[exotic pasture]

no thats talisman

from Cryptid 0.6.0 and forwards, talisman will no longer be a cryptid requirement

[olive agate]

fair enough

[woeful bough]

oh

[exotic pasture]

(because of the rebalance)

[heady frost]

hand size modifications are possible

[woeful bough]

an ability to scale joker values would be cool

[heady frost]

that would be fire, like +2 to every joker value

[woeful bough]

ex: tropical smoothie from cryptid "muiltiplies values of all jokers by 1.5x"

*or that to

[woeful bough]

will madness stay the same?

[heady frost]

cryptid does have some really unique jokers i wish it was more balanced within base game

[woeful bough]

i usually play on the least balanced difficulty

i would be pretty annoyed if they balanced the unbalanced difficulty

[heady frost]

ive been dying for a cryptid vanilla-esque mod that takes the best ideas that cryptid has and tweaks them heavily

i think they would need to get rid of code cards for it to be balanced honestly

way too op

[woeful bough]

i mean id like to see a balanced one yea

[heady frost]

but i do like cryptid

[woeful bough]

but when you first open cryptid you have those 3 options for balancing

i just hope they dont change the one the least balanced

i like how it is

[heady frost]

yeah that would be cool

im talking about a completely new version of cryptid if there was to ever make one

[woeful bough]

*or a legacy balancing option

[woeful bough]

thats a lot of work

[heady frost]

yeah that is a lot of work

but definitely doable

maybe after im 'done' with joker forge i will try and make my own version of cryptid that wipes out half of the unbalanced features and replaces them with more vanilla like ones (i will never be done with joker forge)

[woeful bough]

me and my friend are playtesting the new update

[heady frost]

do i finish off this day of dev by removing the extra credit page

[woeful bough]

did you ask them if you could have it?

[heady frost]

i dont know who made it

lol

[nimble island]

of what

[woeful bough]

my mod

its on balatro mod manager

[nimble island]

cool

thought of a spotlight joker

[crude trail]

how you did it

[nimble island]

like stencil

[woeful bough]

😭 i dont know

[crude trail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1303797147933741156.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=jimbo_spin

[woeful bough]

it took me 4 hours

and i had to type in programming languages i dont know 🔥

[heady frost]

do u feel more confident in balatro programming now

[woeful bough]

eh

sorta?

this joker is kinda really good

[heady frost]

that is very good but also very specific so i feel like it works

[woeful bough]

i have 8 legendary jokers in my mod and the soul gave me CaNiO

[heady dock]

can'tio 😔

[woeful bough]

THE WORST PART IS

[pure ravine]

does joker forge get updated?

[woeful bough]

NO

NEVR

abandonded

[heady frost]

its dead in the water

[heady frost]

like multiple times a day depending on how motivated i am lol

[woeful bough]

RIP 🙏

[heady frost]

i forget to change the version number tho because its purely visual it doesnt mean anything

[woeful bough]

my mod kinda makes wild cards busted

[heady frost]

deserved too

[woeful bough]

there is one retrigger card for every suit, +a retrigger card for wilds that triggers them 2 more times, a joker that gives X1.25 mult per wild card, and the 7 of spades one

might make a multiplayer designed joker

[autumn dove]

instead of updating jokerforge goodmorning just queues up marvel rivals ranked

And loses

[woeful bough]

instead of working on my mod i play COD 🤷‍♂️

[autumn dove]

warzone > dirty disgusting typescript programming 🤢

[woeful bough]

i usually play multiplayer Bo6

but same difference

[autumn dove]

that's fair i don't play multiplayer I usually just play black ops for the zombies

[woeful bough]

bo6 is pretty good for zombies

i first got into cod from b03 zombies

(technically a bo2 zombies game on roblox called "michaels zombies") but

[autumn dove]

I played it briefly on my friends PC and it is really fun

The game is expensive tho

[woeful bough]

i have gamepass

and i use it for more than just cod

so technically its free

[autumn dove]

Yo it's on gamepass?

[woeful bough]

yea

[autumn dove]

Wtf

I didn't know

[woeful bough]

wait which cod?

bo3 or bo6?

[autumn dove]

Bo6

[woeful bough]

yeah

bo6 is on gampeass

every new cod game is

[autumn dove]

wtfffff that's crazy

[woeful bough]

mw3

they are planning on adding the old ones too i think

[autumn dove]

That would be fire but BO3 steam workshop is peak and I don't think youd get that on game pass

[woeful bough]

yea it is

[autumn dove]

Not BO3 ZombiesS I mean getting mods for it

[woeful bough]

i have dark matter on like 33 weapons and am prestige master in Bo6

[woeful bough]

i was saying yea it is to mods being peak

[autumn dove]

oh right my bad

damn I might get game pass then that's actually huge

wish they would make mod tools for modern black ops games though

[woeful bough]

every new cod release is there day one (with ultimate)

also you can play betas

[woeful bough]

i think due to the engine they dont want people to hack their servers

and Bo3 mods were kind of out of desperation because IW flopped

[autumn dove]

yeah a good choice though

At least mod tools for the older black ops games then like maybe bo4

[woeful bough]

*and chronicles too

[autumn dove]

Chronicles is flamesssss

[woeful bough]

bo4 zombies was mid at best

good ending to the story tho

i like the story the most about zombies tbh

@heady frost "set ante" added to game over when?

[heady frost]

right now

[woeful bough]

nice

[heady frost]

just added it, might not work tho, should do

[woeful bough]

destroy all jokers except self?

[heady frost]

this is more complex so i will do it after the remaining 6 jokers are done when i overhaul all of the code gen to be all nice

[woeful bough]

okay

[heady frost]

and go through and add all the stuff that i need to from the github issues

[woeful bough]

blueprint not working on things it should is a bug right?

[icy crow]

can't wait for the joker forge to be able to recreate my mod

is debuffing cards available?

probably not

[woeful bough]

alternate joker moment

[nimble island]

approx when are custom rarities added? I made so many legendary jokers that I want to be Insane

[icy crow]

nerf them and put them into rare :)

_ _/j

[woeful bough]

for jimbo?

[icy crow]

🤨

[woeful bough]

?

[nimble island]

/joker?

[woeful bough]

/?

[nimble island]

l

lI

ll

l_

debuting my loss joker

[woeful bough]

an attempt was made

and failed

[neon marten]

How do I make a joker name also track a variable? (meant desc)

like the jokers which say their Xmult at the end

[woeful bough]

name one

[neon marten]

Canio

[woeful bough]

where in the name does it say xmult

canios name is canio i think

[neon marten]

at the end

I MEANT THE DESC

sry

[woeful bough]

click these

[neon marten]

thx

lol

[olive agate]

could you help me give both the asymetric joker and symetric joker a redesign?

[woeful bough]

np

sure

[olive agate]

if you finished it, then post it here https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1290482086247010375

[woeful bough]

this is for that n mod right

[olive agate]

yep

[neon marten]

is there a way to take away money?

[woeful bough]

Add dollars has a subtract option

[icy crow]

it should probably be called "modify money" or something like that

[neon marten]

fair

[heady frost]

yeah, i want to do this, have it be subtract, add, or set

so its just one effect

[heady frost]

probably not for another 2 weeks or so

[woeful bough]

How long until vanilla jokers are all done?

(Estimate)

[heady frost]

if i lock in, 2 days

or even tonight if i lock in super hard

i might try tonight haha

i will do the credit card effect now

[woeful bough]

Yay I can finally do my coffin of forbidden characters game yay

So many jokers

[heady frost]

added credit card and its effect

four fingers is next

[nimble island]

its the only sticker i have for some reason

[olive agate]

can you add the feature to gain joker slots or consumable slots next?

[heady frost]

definitely those two need to be added, but i will do it after i do this four fingers

[olive agate]

ok

[heady frost]

the effect is basically done, im grinding rn

this is a royal flush

[icy crow]

can't wait for high card to count as a royal flush

[heady frost]

you love to see it

[heady frost]

i tried and it doesnt let you lol

the least you can do is 2 cards

[heady dock]

would it be possible to split the effect for flushes and straights?

[heady frost]

not easily (i dont think), smods provides a nice hook to use specifically for this combined effect that i used. i thought i would have to implement a lot of these on their own, but as im finding out, smods provides nice hooks for them all

im unstoppable (this one was easy because the hook that smods provides does not have any parameters it just returns true)

[heady dock]

cant wait to make one finger and start playing straight flush fives

[heady frost]

1 finger art

[olive agate]

rude

[woeful bough]

What jokers are left?

[heady frost]

i just added showman, the remaining ones left are smeared joker and pareidolia. these ones will have their own unique effects (combine ranks, combine suits). these will be the hardest

i rewrote the way joker forge handles hooks yesterday and it is going a lot better than i thought it was, i am getting no trouble with these but i thought i would, thats why i overestimated the amount of work it took to finish off the remaining ones

[heady dock]

how does combine ranks even work, because that doesnt really sound like pareidolia on the surface

[woeful bough]

Combine rank groups into face

[heady frost]

you have a source rank/s and a target rank. it will treat the source rank like the target rank

so for pareidolia it would be 'all' for the source rank, and 'face cards' for the target rank

but i want it general enough so that you can make jokers that have for example 'all 6s count as 9s' and stuff

or 'queens and jacks count as kings'

[heady dock]

that just sounds more like the X cards are considered Y effect, combine kinda implies that it makes multiple ranks count as the same rank just like how smeared works with suits

[heady frost]

good point, i might rename the effect then lol

[woeful bough]

So i can't make a 10 count as a 3?

Also being able to delete trigger and replace it with another would be nice

You also never added blocking legendaries from everything

Like block appearing in shop, packs, or souls

[safe minnow]

hi i just noticed that sixth sense in vanilla reforged is common instead of uncommon

[woeful bough]

Truth be damned

Ultrakills fanbase is 90% femboys (i have 200 hours)

[safe minnow]

and hiker is also common instead of uncommon

[icy crow]

He's a type checker for jokers

[heady frost]

you can

[heady frost]

yeah that would be good because thats annoying

[heady frost]

i did didnt i?

[woeful bough]

No

[heady frost]

there is a checkbox

[woeful bough]

You can make them appear in shop

[heady frost]

oh

[woeful bough]

Not not be able to

[heady frost]

yeah

you right

[heady frost]

just fixed both of these, good catch

[safe minnow]

your welcome!

[heady dock]

what the fuck is a "soul pack"

[hidden dagger]

maybe he meant soul card

no

[heady dock]

well yeah but this setting isnt even an option on legendary jokers so that doesnt make sense

[hidden dagger]

idk

[heady frost]

i dont know whats going on but my code is just working (i think) first try

[heady frost]

lmao soul card + tarot pack

but you right it doesnt even make sense anyways

[heady dock]

yeah the jokers with this setting dont appear in thos eanyway lol

[heady frost]

very good catch lol i cant believe i missed that

changed it now

smeared is the final joker

hopefully my streak doesnt end now ive been getting these OUT

[heady dock]

smearing it

[heady frost]

ggs guys

[crude trail]

gg

[outer axle]

gg

[lyric cradle]

gg

[icy crow]

What now

Bugs?

[heady frost]

• [ ] Add/Subtract/Set Joker Slots - Would be cool i guess lol
• [ ] Add/Subtract/Set Consumable Slots - also self-explanatory

im gonna add these two remaining effects tomorrow, then its time for the big overhaul in preparation for consumables. i want to completely revamp the ui, fix all the remaining issues and all the suggestions in the github, then finally get started on consumables

i might get rid of the sidebar even, ill whip up some designs tomorrow. now that i properly know the scope of everything, it will be a lot easier to design nice ui for. when i made the current ui i didnt know to what extent i needed things for. but i will keep this channel updated with designs and stuff lol

[neon marten]

nice

seals for cards next?

even a basic deck system would be fire

[neon marten]

also, is there a way to check each joker's internal name (for spawning jokers)?

modded ones

this is what I'm trying to make

[oblique egret]

where can i find the keys for specific jokers

looking for egg

[neon marten]

it would be j_egg i think?

[oblique egret]

ok thnks ill try it

[tough wraith]

The updates are so fire!

[crude trail]

''original idea''

[neon marten]

is that possible lol

[heady frost]

not currently, in the future i want functionality so you can pick the key yourself

[neon marten]

I just found without spaces works

for EMERGENCY FROG SITUATION it was emergencyfrogsituation

[oblique egret]

what qualifies as the least played hand? does it always\ start at strait flush?

[heady frost]

yeah, it slugifys the name right now lol

[heady frost]

i think it is your least played hand out of the ones youve unlocked during the run, if multiple hands are your least played hand, then nothing is your least played hand

if i remember thats how it works

[oblique egret]

ahhh ok word thank you

[oblique egret]

so if 2 hands are at zero, no least played hand

[neon marten]

nevermind the game crashed lol

[heady frost]

your joker key will be in the code

it needs to be j [modname] [jokerkey]

[heady frost]

if i remember correctly but i am only like 75% sure

[autumn dove]

four fingers art

[heady frost]

what are you doing, work on the new joker forge update

[autumn dove]

stupid website, just learn how to code and read the blank smods documentation

me when i fork jokerforge and within 5 seconds im 19234874 commits behind main

[crude trail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1303797147933741156.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=jimbo_spin

[neon marten]

wouldn't j_zvsmodpack_emergency_frog_situation work?

it just crashes the game

gonna try without underscores

[heady frost]

sorry, i meant to type out j [modprefix] [jokername]

your mod prefix is in mod metadata

i will add a comment to this effect explaining how to do it because this is the most asked question lol

and it is confusing

[neon marten]

IT WORKS

[limpid robin]

Emergency frog situation

[hidden oriole]

peak fds mod

[spark patio]

I probably am asking for a lot considering you like are almost done with the vanilla jokers but will there be some stuff to mess around with blind sizes? Trying to make a joker that effects blind size depending on its score

[heady frost]

it is on the checklist of effects 'edit blind requirements' but i havent looked too much into the implementation of it yet

would be cool to add though

[spark patio]

and I imagine there's probably already an effect for a hiker-like ability

[crude trail]

I did it out of boredom

[heady frost]

yeah, add perma effect

you can choose from dollars, mult, chips, xmult, etc.

couldnt sleep so i added the edit joker slots and edit consumable slots effects

[umbral stag]

EMERGENCY FROG SITUATION

skull emoji

[umbral stag]

holy peak

[heady frost]

I love this because it makes you actually have to pay attention that's so great

but I feel like now there should be more ace specific jokers to help make this joker better

[sour spear]

placeholder

[crude trail]

was the idea

[heady frost]

well it is already pretty good because it lets you make five of a kind consistently

just by playing 5 cards lol

[heady frost]

let's gooo, I will add this in the morning I'm in bed rn lol

[crude trail]

I plan to add about 4 jokers to improve the Ace

o more

[sour spear]

i upscaled it

[sour spear]

when can we input decimal number, i wanna make the money gamevar multiplier to .01 to punish the player for having debt by decreasing mult idk

[hidden oriole]

will there be effects to "damage" blind

[heady dock]

export the individual joker and check in the file is the only way currently

[nimble island]

THE FEDS GET DOWN

holy shit i just checked and all jokers are done gg

[lapis mauve]

btw perkeo just looks like

this

he left

[hidden oriole]

probably have image in game

[arctic chasm]

Decided to check how far it went and I love how there's no compat for perish/rental but forced spawning have those options

[lapis mauve]

just in the vanillareforged page

when you duplicate it it shows up

[arctic chasm]

Oh the website version isn't updated yet?

[lapis mauve]

hm?

[arctic chasm]

Wdym by this

[lapis mauve]

in the vanilla reforged tab perkeo looks like his

this

[arctic chasm]

Oh you're talking about the Perkeo issue nvm

[lapis mauve]

but its normal when you duplicate it

[arctic chasm]

Also it would be nice if the vanilla reforged could be sorted by collection order

[lapis mauve]

true

[arctic chasm]

Joker Forge should have an option to check if it's a hand specifically or if it contains said hand, both are different and the recreated Spare Trousers is wrong. First pic is the og joker poker hand check and second is JF

Also by reading JF Spare Trousers code, it won't give mult if you score a Two Pair lmao

I checked the first joker and 8 Ball doesn't actually have the proba check and Abstract has a miscolored deck and the joker count system is very finicky

[woeful bough]

theres only 3 hands that contain two pair?

[heady dock]

That option does exist, i think its just that not all the vanilla jokers have been changed to use it

[woeful bough]

"many ae missing" lol

[nimble island]

There should be more devs working on this

Its getting more popular every day

[arctic chasm]

Oh true Ig the operator allows for that

[icy crow]

the elusive 151st joker

[arctic chasm]

I wish there was a lua preview still so I don't have to download it everytime see if the block will work perfectly

[woeful bough]

it does the codegen after

[arctic chasm]

Where else beside downloading the joker?

[blazing crescent]

i got a question, may i use the colour palet/general theme (for a project outside of balatro?)

cuz ive seen the theme around

and this looks so clean and neat

[woeful bough]

yes?

[blazing crescent]

oki

[woeful bough]

you cant copyright a colour wheel

[blazing crescent]

fair lol

alr ty

[arctic chasm]

Watch me

[woeful bough]

the github has 3 contributors

[arctic chasm]

ghost ping moment

[lapis mauve]

really?

[woeful bough]

yea

[nimble island]

still

oh if anyone wants me to make them legendary art as placeholders just tell me what you want their name to be and the colour of the background and ill get it to you (im bored af)

[woeful bough]

i would but...

[nimble island]

please give me something to do 😭

since the vanilla jokers are done whats next

[icy crow]

bugs and then editor overhaul i think

[lapis mauve]

i wish double probability was customizable

like triple probability

[neon marten]

I feel adding "Play SFX" would go pretty hard

for functions

[lapis mauve]

yeah gonna be added sometime

[woeful bough]

cryptid is balanced

[neon marten]

yes

very

[lapis mauve]

stop it bro you already have enough

[woeful bough]

i need infinty

crashed 😦

[hidden oriole]

📉

[heady frost]

soon...

[woeful bough]

bugfix day?

[heady frost]

the other 2 contributors where just small tweaks to the jokers in vanilla reforged and the links on the site

[heady frost]

yes, starting when I wake up in 30 mins or so

I also wish I had more people working on this with me lol

[woeful bough]

i always found smaller project end up much more polished

[lapis mauve]

so true

[woeful bough]

usually because their development is heavily community driven with community feedback

also studio workers have deadlines

[heady frost]

also the lua preview stuff will come with the update to all the UI hopefully

I want to display the lua as you change the blocks

but I can't think of a good way to do that because it's already a bit cramped if you have loads of room

I might just make it a new panel on the rule builder like the other panels and you can just open it and see the lua or close it if it's taking up too much space lol

[woeful bough]

the bottom panel with variables and stuff could be a menu at the bottom that you can open instead of always being there

[heady frost]

yeah this exists, contains Vs equals, I need to go through all the vanilla jokers and refine them properly lol

[heady frost]

would be very fire actually

I never thought about having panels at the bottom

after bug fixing I will whip a new design for the site anyways

[woeful bough]

i like the color scheme

its clean

dont change that

[lapis mauve]

themes

[lyric cradle]

fr

[neon marten]

I have an idea for an early version of decks

Just select playing cards, jokers, vouchers, consumables, and then your deck is done

Game rules will be added over time

[woeful bough]

SS of my discord

[heady frost]

yeah, this is the idea in my head. you just see all the jokers and consumables whatnot and you can click them to enable/disable them. then you can also change your starting deck and stuff

[neon marten]

lol

If I knew better Lua I wouldn’t have to use this tool

[heady frost]

the end goal is to have basically everything replicable from vanilla on the site

[woeful bough]

i feel like jokers and decks do a lot of the same stuff

only exception being erratic

[heady frost]

yeah it would probably be the quickest big feature to add

will be quicker to add than consumables

[neon marten]

The only real LUA I can do is A: basic Roblox Studio, and B: a modded stat item in TBOI

[heady frost]

I think consumables and jokers are the two I will spend the most time on

[woeful bough]

hint?

also will custom SFX for when a joker triggers be added?

[heady frost]

maybe not custom SFX but things like shaking when a joker can be activated, having a preset list of animations, etc. is planned

[woeful bough]

its all the same language

[heady frost]

like how trading card shakes

[woeful bough]

yea

[heady frost]

before this I had no experience in lua, I reckon you could get pretty good within a week

[woeful bough]

spritesheets?

[lapis mauve]

sound effects, not visual effects

those are vfx

[woeful bough]

he meant he isnt adding custom sound effects, but he will add preset VFX

[lapis mauve]

custom sounds arent that hard tho

[woeful bough]

🤷‍♂️

[neon marten]

anyways how would I make a joker immediately make a different joker and destroy itself.

I want to make a fake legendary that gives you a really bad joker

but the really bad joker spawns as eternal and destroys itself after 3 rounds

is that possible lol

[autumn dove]

wouldnt you also need to increase joker slots by 1 temporarily in case you have a full set

cuz it would just try to create the joker, no room, die right?

[neon marten]

fair

ill do that

[sour spear]

how does the create specific joker key work

i want to use it for my custom cards

[woeful bough]

negative ig

[autumn dove]

very true actually

[woeful bough]

its supposed to make a bad joker so negative wouldnt be an upside

[heady frost]

ooooooh yeah, custom sounds would be cool, it's on the list but not a priority lol

[lapis mauve]

j_whatever your mod prefix is_name of the joker you want to create

without spaces

[sour spear]

alright

[lapis mauve]

for example j_artb_random for example the "random" joker in artbox

[woeful bough]

idea: a way for a joker to see if other jokers you own have a mod tag

ex: "this joker gains x3 mult per modded joker owned"

[neon marten]

peak

[heady frost]

that would be fire

[heady frost]

this would require adding it as a game variable

[neon marten]

rate my one finger art

I will be adding this, lol

[lapis mauve]

also the uh

this still doesnt work