Joker Forge - Create Balatro Mods Visually and Export the Lua Files (WIP)

[nimble island]

but why would you

[woeful bough]

Omeganum

[heady frost]

i think it comes down to play style. i dont like playing until naneinf, i like playing for 8 antes and feeling done

i almost never try going endless

[heady dock]

How do you even do that without basically freezing your game for minutes with massive operations

[flat valve]

the only thing that matters at numbers that large is operator

[woeful bough]

so, funny story, i left my computer on, went to bed, and it was still calculating when i woke up

[flat valve]

so any joker with ^^ or ^^^ works

[woeful bough]

and it didnt stop until like 6pm that day

[heady dock]

Thats still way too small to reach 10{1000}10

[woeful bough]

isnt it like 10^^^^10

[flat valve]

oh yeah nvm i forgot how large that number actually is

[flat valve]

try 10^^^...{1,000 ^s}...^^^10

[woeful bough]

idk

[heady dock]

According to the talisman config and readme its 10{1000}10

[woeful bough]

my score said "infinity" with talisman once

[flat valve]

that's false infinity

nan

[heady dock]

Im pretty sure omeganum infinity is kinda wierd

Not actual inf

[woeful bough]

no not not a number

it wasnt naninf

[flat valve]

omeganum is real inf i think

[woeful bough]

it was just "infinty"

[icy crow]

big num ig?

[flat valve]

but talisman Infinity isn't infinity

[woeful bough]

big num isnt hard to get

[woeful bough]

well yeah

[woeful bough]

ive gotten jokers to give ee100e2 chips

[flat valve]

as in, it doesn't represent a number so large talisman cannot process it

[woeful bough]

wouldnt it make computer kaboom

(not literally)

[heady dock]

Its just too big to display, not too big to process

Afaik

[olive spruce]

I love this web much, it's not needed to program on Notepad ++ 😄

[icy crow]

Please don't tell me someone here seriously programs in notepad ++

Like more than 5h total

[woeful bough]

6th grade computer classes 🗣️ 🔥

[flat valve]

whenever an n++ user enters modding-dev everyone begs them to use vscode

[icy crow]

I once was thrown out of a computer class because I used vscodium from a USB (all software was banned there, everyone had to use a normal notepad)

[heady dock]

Doing anything in normal notepad sounds like torture

[woeful bough]

im not out of school yet and last year i almost lost my computer because i got balatro onto the school laptops

and they panicked because they couldnt understand the idea of a flash drivew

they thought i like hacked their servers

[errant mason]

Chip-Mult operator API (currently a PR) Ig
it's built from the ground up, but totally inspired by pwx

[olive spruce]

Will be more expanded variable like multiply money by -1 developed ?

[woeful bough]

tetration would be so hype

[flat valve]

i'd 100% use that for a one-off challenge with chips+mult lol

[heady frost]

when i was in my secondary school in like 2019, i pirated minecraft on a bunch of peoples school accounts and managed to set up a minecraft server on the school network that the school could play during IT sessions

[woeful bough]

microsoft has a minecraft 1.0 version that has local server hosting for free

[heady frost]

also once during a class about system security, i got into the records of the students and teachers, and when the teacher asked something like "what is another thing we can do to prevent people getting passed security" i said to him something like "dont keep the same password since 2017 when you made your account like you did" and i showed him i had his school account record on my computer

and he made me go to the IT guy after class ended to show him how i did it and the method was patched

[woeful bough]

lol

[heady frost]

thats beautiful. i think at the time i did this it was the update before caves and cliffs

i could be wrong tho it was like 2018/2019

[woeful bough]

i think it was the cliffs part

[heady frost]

i went to a kinda weird special school focused on engineering, maths, and technology so this kinda stuff was rampant across students

[heady frost]

yeah it took them years to get that whole update out

[woeful bough]

it's better to go to schools for one nieche

[heady frost]

i remember being so pissed

[woeful bough]

then one that has a lot

[woeful bough]

minecraft modders on their way to make the entire game worth of code and mods in like a year:

*with no profit for it

[heady frost]

yeah it was a great school, it was funded by software and engineering companies in the UK, it is a special type of school in the UK there is a good handful of them across the country

[heady frost]

i could not dream about making minecraft mods, way too difficult

[woeful bough]

neither can mojang

[heady frost]

i do think mojang need to step their game up a bit but it seems like they have been doing

atleast in the past 2 years, i dont keep up with it as much as i used to

[sour spear]

waited 4 months on a new mob and 5 new blocks

[heady frost]

also i just added the disable boss blind effect

[heady frost]

i think they need to re-evaluate what minecraft actually is, adding new blocks is great until your inventory gets clogged with 16 types of wood and 8 types of stone

i much prefer terraria over minecraft but thats just personal preference

[nimble island]

I made the 3 stage jokers, they die and create the next stage after certain antes but i haven't tried them yet so idk if itll work

[heady frost]

fire effects but is that ai generated pixel art lol

i didnt even know ai could do that

[nimble island]

I cant draw

Its not great but im not done so im using ai for now

[heady frost]

download aseprite its great

[nimble island]

I did but I cant draw for shit😭

[heady frost]

i cant really draw much either i just end up tracing stuff lol

[icy crow]

im using pixelorama and it's also nice

[nimble island]

how do you trace?

[icy crow]

my first sprite a week ago

[nimble island]

is that a thing?

[heady dock]

Gotta start somewhere

Ive used it a bit too

[nimble island]

Drawing pads are expensive and my finger hurts from the mouse precision

[heady frost]

for this joker i just put the image in aseprite and use the balatro colours and painted over his face

[icy crow]

you wont get better without trying

[heady dock]

You could just click individual pixels instead of trying to precisely drag lines

[nimble island]

Ik I just wanted to make good sprites quick

[heady frost]

i would just trace, i traced this from an image of my gf like a year ago

just fucking around

and an image of alan turing

[nimble island]

not even close smh

[woeful bough]

thats a sprout

[icy crow]

Seed

[nimble island]

2K9H9HN

[flat valve]

me likey pixel art

[icy crow]

seed can be seeded (rigged) by ://SEED in cryptid

[woeful bough]

boss enhancements would kinda be cool

wait i think i know what your mod is now

[flat valve]

grab bag?

[woeful bough]

ye

[sour spear]

boss blinds as jokers

[woeful bough]

i knew what it was callled

[sour spear]

are they beneficial or just cursed jokers

[woeful bough]

i wasnt aware if i had seen it before

[flat valve]

they can appear rarely in the shop after you defeat the corresponding boss blind

[heady frost]

what is the blank one

[flat valve]

some of them invert their boss blind effect and some do their effect but weaker with a strong upshot

the hook i just haven't drawn it yet lol

[icy crow]

smh

[lapis mauve]

these look awesome

[heady frost]

do u draw straight onto the atlas?

[flat valve]

for these i do yeah

[heady frost]

crazy haha

[sour spear]

so very large blind joker can decrease blind's requirement? or anything similar?

[flat valve]

for my more complex sheets like the consumable and joker atlases i work in seperate files, flatten them and place them onto the atlas

[flat valve]

this is what i have so far

[sidenote, it would be cool for jokerforge to have a blind size modifier for jokers, it's not that hard to do actually]

[woeful bough]

the wall is cracked

[heady frost]

that would be fire

im gonna do the condition that checks blind size now for jokers like mr bones

and only mr bones i think uses it

[flat valve]

yeah i thought that, might make it 3X boss blind size, or scaling boss blind size

[heady frost]

the wall is the opposite to that timmy joker in grab bag

is it not

[flat valve]

yeah basically

[heady frost]

i got that the other day on the black deck

was beautiful

[errant mason]

oh and btw

smods supports adding a custom saved message instead of the default "saved by mr bones"

[flat valve]

a lot of these boss blind effects will prob have overlap with grab bag jokers, i'm more focused on them reflecting the boss blind. they're subject to change anyways

[woeful bough]

The eye should be: "gains X0.75 mult when hand is played if poker hand has not been played this round. resets every round."

[flat valve]

AHHH OBELISK

[heady frost]

joker forge already auto replaces the message if the user adds one in an effect

[woeful bough]

it was kind of confusing to read initially

[woeful bough]

nvm

i wrote it wrong

[flat valve]

here

anyways enough clogging up the jokerforge thread lol you can find my stuff in https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1334717157098913833

[hidden dagger]

here are all the jokers left for anyone wondering and i think boot strap and certification and sixth sense could be easy to make , constalation maybe?

[heady frost]

constellation will be done at the end of today i reckon

i just need to add a "consumable type" condition to the "consumable used" trigger

i just added chicot

and also luchador

[robust axle]

i want to make a joker that destroys hand if it contains a seven and creates jokers equal to the amount of sevens

[heady frost]

but mr bones is next

[flat valve]

four fingers and shortcut are handled by their respective smods functions i think

[robust axle]

and the only way i’ve been able to do that is messing around with variables

which works

[olive spruce]

Great work, hope will be more variable and effects 😄

[heady frost]

i think this would be possible

[heady frost]

yeah, it will be its own effects lol. the same with smeared and pareidolia but that will be more expansive and will be the "combine ranks" effect

[heady frost]

canio i think is already possible too

[flat valve]

is bootstraps not as easy as bull?

[heady frost]

sixth sense is also possible

[heady frost]

i think bootstraps is also possible

theres a lot that are possible i just havent got around to adding them lol

[woeful bough]

chicot

[flat valve]

i assume egg and gift card are just because sell_cost isn't added yet

[heady frost]

yeah, it will be a "increase sell cost" effect that will have parameter for this joker or all jokers

[olive spruce]

Will be more Jokers from other mods ?

So far we have extra credit

[heady frost]

i want to replicate all of extra credit too because i love that mod and it adds pretty easy jokers

i didnt think joker forge will become as big as it is so i should probably ask the extra credit guys if im allowed to do that

[robust axle]

oh wait there’s a way more easy way to do that

[heady frost]

because i dont want joker forge advertising to be "it is so good i can replicate YOUR mod"

[flat valve]

i should give ec another shot, i played it and thought it was alright. ironically i think i prefer bunco as a vanilla+ expansion

[heady frost]

i like ec because it is like the only mod i feel i can combine with other mods and it doesnt clash so much

[flat valve]

oh that mod for me is plantain

[heady frost]

my guilty pleasure is browsing r/balatro suggestions and seeing if joker forge can replicate the joker they want

[woeful bough]

could be useful for new ideas too

[flat valve]

oh i had a few submissions on there before i properly started work on grab bag

[heady frost]

ive found that because usually the jokers that arent too crazy are the ones that get upvotes there, most jokers can be replicated already

[flat valve]

if it’s not already in, it would be cool to have a “if [table of cards] contains/is a [poker hand]”

i have a grab bag joker that gives you a hand if you discard a two pair

[heady frost]

to do something like that, i would need to add hand type to the discard related triggers. would be very cool

[woeful bough]

can you add a debuff hand

[sour spear]

wowzers

[woeful bough]

also it would be cool to see if hand IS [insert hand]

^for to-do list, example

[heady dock]

thats already an option isnt it

[woeful bough]

not contains

but IS

[heady dock]

that was literally the only option at first

[woeful bough]

?

where

oh

im stupid 💀

[heady dock]

genius!

[woeful bough]

is there a way to do this tho?

wait

my lack of sleep is disintegrating me right now

[heady dock]

theres no enhancement count condition so i dont think so

[robust axle]

i wish there was a away to ceck if card is any card but a certain rank

[heady dock]

just use the card rank condition?

[woeful bough]

THERE IS

hooray

[heady dock]

how do you plan on checking the amount of gold cards in the hand though,,,,

[woeful bough]

the hand has to be four of a kind

it says exacty four gold cards

[robust axle]

no like

[flat valve]

no for loop logic?

[robust axle]

check if its not a seven

i guess i could do that in post

[heady frost]

will do after all the vanilla stuff is sorted, its on the check list

[heady dock]

press the red X

inverts the condition

[heady frost]

this is true

[heady dock]

well yeah but how will you check if theres 4 gold cards

[woeful bough]

fair

well

[heady frost]

you incrememnt a variable every time there is a gold card in card scored

[woeful bough]

every card could update a variable by 1

[woeful bough]

yeah

[heady frost]

then in hand played you check if that variable is 4

[woeful bough]

and then it gains 0.4x mult if it does

[heady frost]

and then do whatever from there

[heady dock]

wouldnt work with retriggers

[woeful bough]

oh yeah

[heady frost]

you can make two card scored triggers

one that checks if its gold and incremements a counter, and another that checks if its 4 then retriggers

[robust axle]

im gonna change the if rank = 4 in post to be if rank ~= 7

[heady dock]

you have to

press the X

[heady frost]

wait no let me think about this

[heady dock]

in the condition for the rank

[heady dock]

i meant like, if you retrigger a gold card it would count twice

[woeful bough]

has to have this icon

[heady dock]

should look like this

this in the effect overview thingy

[heady frost]

this is how i would do it

i think this would work

[heady dock]

i mean

this counts

the amount of times a gold card has been scored

and not the amount of gold cards in the played hand

[heady frost]

ohhhhhh

yeah

[heady dock]

so it doesn't work correctly when you add in retriggers

[heady frost]

so the retrigger only starts after the 4th card

i get you

i will probably add the retrigger effect to hand played at some point

[heady dock]

with retriggers not working i meant

if the gold cards get retriggered

itll count one multiple times

because it happens every time one scored

[heady frost]

yeah, a enhancement count, seal count, edition count, would be very beneficial

i will add it to the checklist

[woeful bough]

yea cards like dna dont function every retrigger

[heady dock]

yeah but dna can be recreated, the remade version of it works like it should

[woeful bough]

well

idk 🤷‍♂️

[sour spear]

idk why the xmult didnt work

i was making the card that goes like this

if variable > 0 = variable - 1
if variable = 0 then:

apply x mult
destroy itself

in jokerforge

[heady frost]

send a ss of your rules

i reckon it might be a logic error somewhere

[sour spear]

sadly i scrapped it and deleted it though

[heady frost]

thats a shame

[sour spear]

i tried rearranging it and it didnt work

[robust axle]

really jank method i found

[heady dock]

what does this actually do

[nimble island]

someone just messaged me asking for the polterworx mod that i havent seen on this channel

an hour ago but i just got back

wait where could i find the polterlikes

[heady frost]

is this meant to destroy all played 7s and create a joker for each 7 if hand contains all 7s

because if so i think this can be simplified

[robust axle]

its meant to destroy all cards in a hand not just hte sevens

[heady frost]

but if all cards played are 7s then the hand will only have 7s

also, do you guys think the block palette would benefit from categories like the gamevars does it?

like a mult category, a consumable related category, joker related, etc

[heady dock]

it absolutely would, especially after more stuff gets added

[heady frost]

because there is getting to be a lot of effects and conditions

i will work on that when i get back then

im off to my parents for tea

[robust axle]

no the goal is if the hand contains a seven, it will delete all the cards in the hand and creates one joker for every seven destroyed

[sour spear]

its more organized wow

[heady frost]

oh I get that

[woeful bough]

global variables?

can you do global variables rn? (i wasnt demanding i was asking myself ig)

if i give a variable one name and use the same variable name on another joker

will it register as the same or no?

[heady frost]

great idea

variables are limited to jokers, but it would be cool to be able to click a button on a variable in the variables panel and it be classed as global across all jokers

[woeful bough]

we already have gamevars

[heady frost]

but this will probably be after all the vanilla jokers are replicable

[woeful bough]

which are technically global

[heady frost]

yeah but gamevars are variables tracked by balatro, rather than custom made ones

[woeful bough]

have you watched gravity falls?

(this is related i swear)

[heady frost]

when you use a gamevar, it just replaces the value with a string from SMODS

yes I have

a little bit

not all of it

[woeful bough]

so i made the three journals as jokers

[heady frost]

that's fire

[woeful bough]

and the idea

is you get one and can only obtain the second AFTER the first

which is why i thought of global variables

and if you get all 3

[heady frost]

I get you, like Cavendish

[nimble island]

actually awesome

[woeful bough]

i was going to make bill op

but you need to get the 3 first

and then you need to brainstorm the portal from the show (you have to find brainstorm)

and then it deletes the 4, creates the portal and then after 2 rounds, bill spawns

[nimble island]

thats awesome

collection requirements are a great idea

[heady frost]

this can add a lot of depth to jokers, will probably be added later when all the vanilla jokers are all done

[nimble island]

yeah

I just had a great joker idea

[lapis mauve]

can we get chip versions of these

and why are there so many money thresholds

[heady frost]

wait, those should just work for chips

I was just tired when naming them because I remembered they were needed for mult for raised fist

[heady frost]

because right now there's no way to add an input so I just made a bunch of them lol

[lapis mauve]

fair

not sure what these mean

is discard just

1-5?

or is it all the cards that are discarded this round

nor do i understand this one

[woeful bough]

i thought it meant in deck

but thats seperate

[marsh shoal]

I would guess it's deck + hand + played/discarded

[woeful bough]

did you say adding custom sounds was today or am i misremembering?

[lapis mauve]

also got some functions that would definitely be useful

balance [10]% of score

and also not sure why you cant do negative numbers anywhere

not only in mult, which would need a failsafe to make it not go below 1, but everywhere

even priority

and it would also give us /mult

oh and some mods have functions that set the score in general, chips or mult to a specific number without adding onto it

[lapis mauve]

x

[woeful bough]

it is

for the riddle

there is another phase to him

but

its amount of moneyXtarots used

TarotsXmult of journal 1 (6)

moneyx6

might add one more

but the idea is if you hit a certain score that is inbetween two numbers

it will transform

but this is going to require global variables

[nimble island]

this belongs in its own rarity also wtf is ^3^3 that scares me

[woeful bough]

Ymult^3, that number ^3

if we slot in 2 as Y

its

134217728

[woeful bough]

it is

going to be a different rarity when added

[nimble island]

omeganum

[woeful bough]

nah

that number is inconceivably big

[nimble island]

omegadum

OOOHOHHHH

ITS OVER

[woeful bough]

im adding this screenshot as a joker

[nimble island]

what

[nimble island]

lmfao

[woeful bough]

called arson (burn)

[nimble island]

absolute cinema

[woeful bough]

why 😭

@icy crow ?

[icy crow]

did you use ' or " in the description?

[woeful bough]

oh

[icy crow]

if not then the description get is somehow broken

[woeful bough]

nah i did

[icy crow]

you can use them as \'

[woeful bough]

thanks!

[icy crow]

and it should work

[icy crow]

or \"

[icy crow]

if you want to use backslashes you have to \\, it should be fine

[nimble island]

have you been coding for 3 hours..

?

oml

[icy crow]

rn yes

[nimble island]

jesus

[icy crow]

that's not even much

[woeful bough]

im assumng

[icy crow]

no

[woeful bough]

this wont be in the description in game

oh

[icy crow]

to escape ' aka use them in code you have to \'

[icy crow]

i spend basically every free minute working on my mod. whatever if it's drawing or coding (if i draw i take breaks to code because i can't keep up mentally). i once went on like 14h straight of coding with minimal breaks (for food etc.)

[woeful bough]

still crashed

[icy crow]

can you show the line

[woeful bough]

i removed all " and ' from my description

yea

[icy crow]

did you shift+enter?

in the site

instead of just shift?

[woeful bough]

when?

[icy crow]

there's
intead of [s]

[woeful bough]

oh

how do i get rid

just enter where the space is supposed to be

[icy crow]

just delete the new line and replace it

[nimble island]

just realised it says credit: eastern farmer on visual and properties

[nimble island]

awesome

wait the ss of omegadum

[errant mason]

journal 1 - first 6 years of author
journal 2 - spells
journal 3 - misc + main timeline

[icy crow]

i made that specific placeholder then

[errant mason]

also what would Bill do

[nimble island]

^3^3 mult

[woeful bough]

he also has a second stage

[woeful bough]

you need the 3 journals first, when you get them all, it becomes the portal stanford came out of, and then after 2 rounds bill spawns

and bill has a riddle

which needs you to have a specific amount of money

when you do

he turns weirdmageddon (which isnt done yet)

this one

[heady frost]

I need to remove the credits after you upload an image lol

[lapis mauve]

i wish i didnt have to unzip and put my mods in my mod folder manually all the time

also last time i checked it just didnt show up

[heady dock]

i dont think that can really be changed, everything downloaded from your browser gets put into your computer's download folder by default and you cant just download a folder so it has to be a zip file

[lapis mauve]

dang

[nimble island]

I mean it’s not that difficult takes a minute

[lapis mauve]

i mean yeah but it's annoying if you update the mod

[woeful bough]

I don't re-download until I've added what I feel is a good update

Like

[nimble island]

yeah me too

[woeful bough]

I dont add one joker and update. I wait for 4

[lapis mauve]

but like

if something breaks

[nimble island]

ik

[woeful bough]

Fix it then?

[lapis mauve]

yeah and see if it works

and that means i have to redownload it

[nimble island]

its annoying but really far down the list of things id like to be added

[woeful bough]

For bug fixing yea

[lapis mauve]

i just wish you could at least select a download folder

[woeful bough]

That isn't something he can can change

[lapis mauve]

pretty sure it is though

[woeful bough]

...no

[lapis mauve]

ive seen other websites do it iirc

[woeful bough]

Which one(s)?

[lapis mauve]

nevermind

its just pretty annoying

anyway yall got some ideas for my mod™

[nimble island]

what do you already have

and whats its style

[lapis mauve]

just whatever lmao

lemme grab my tiny ahh list

[nimble island]

is there a way to grant access to a joker unavailiable yet

like if i want to have a joker not avaliable in shop but this other joker lets it be in shop

[woeful bough]

He's planning on it

I actually had that exact idea

The three journals can only appear one after the other

[lapis mauve]

sorry it took so long haha i needed to make it actually presentable

this is all i have

[heady frost]

you can stop a joker from appearing in the shop

and you can use the create joker effect to create that joker

but there's no way to make a joker appear after a condition like Cavendish unfortunately

[heady frost]

this is looking fire

[heady frost]

as far as I know there's nothing I can do but maybe there's some new web tech or something lol I will look into it

[rain mason]

is Talisman support as an option ever to be planned?

mainly due to it being the hyperoperation library

[heady frost]

yes, I want full talisman compatibility for everything

[rain mason]

sweet

I assume that's rather low on priority though

wanna get the other items done first, yk

[heady frost]

yeah, will focus on adding more content and stuff first

[rain mason]

ye xD

[heady frost]

but currently a lot should already be talisman compatibility, though not everything is tested with talisman and some bits will be missing

but that is the end goal

[rain mason]

yeah

I was mainly also saying since talisman compatibility would open up hyperoperations (exponentation, tetration, pentation, etc.)

[lapis mauve]

What else does talisman have?

[rain mason]

something else I'd like to see really far down the road is support for Cryptid's rarities (Epic and Exotic)

[lapis mauve]

Just support for custom rarities in general

[rain mason]

talisman is the library for bignum and omeganum support, but most mods actually require it due to its lesser known hyperoperation libraries

[lapis mauve]

I dont feel like it should specifically be cryptid’s rarities

[rain mason]

yeah, custom rarities in general

[lapis mauve]

And that’s pretty easy to change in the code anyway

[rain mason]

also, I had a cool idea for one of the default joker sprites

hold on that crop looks horrible

there

[nimble island]

there are so many question mark defaults

[heady dock]

expanding on the idea of making new global variables from earlier, maybe just an entirely new tab that allows you to define new global variables (and maybe also custom text colors/backgrounds (and maybe also gradients with SMODS.Gradient if its easy)), and also when and how they change

might be a bit difficult to implement but could work pretty well

[rain mason]

one question, will the Editions tab have a visual shader editor or would you have to just opengl and import it?

[icy crow]

god spare us

[rain mason]

real

[heady dock]

from what ive read in this thread, it will have a visual editor, though hard to say since its probably not going to be made for a while

[rain mason]

oh thank god

[heady frost]

for editions, it will probably start out with just presets from the community that people want to submit, then will hopefully go into a visual editor but that would probably be much later because that sounds difficult implementation

[heady frost]

this is a great idea. i think the site needs a big UI update overall to be honest, right now its good for just managing jokers and whatnot, but i think it can be much, much better and enable interactions like this

[woeful bough]

will custom sounds be added?

[heady frost]

eventually, when animation stuff gets added too

but that will be after all vanilla jokers are replicable so atleast a week or two away

the timeline of things is

replicate all vanilla jokers
overhaul ui
refine a bunch of bugs
add remaining stuff for jokers
start working on consumables

[rain mason]

yippie

[heady dock]

there should be a condition for if a certain item exists/if a certain mod is loaded (using item keys/mod ids) and an option to add dependencies to individual jokers to better implement cross-mod stuff without needing to make dependencies for the entire mod

[rain mason]

problem: this is a website

also it's possible that those mods will have completely separate mechanics that just won't be loadable

(such as Talisman's very convoluted function to actually calculate hyperoperations)

[heady frost]

it being a website is definitely a con in some ways, mostly by the fact that it cant interact with the device at all

but at the same time, very accessible

[heady frost]

yeah, this would be very difficult unfortunately, i might have a look at external mod compatibility once everything else is done but not a priority

[rain mason]

yeah, if anything, the most realistic external mod support would be hyperoperation support for Talisman and adding stuff manually, since mods themselves have wildly different file structures from each other

so it'd be impossible to have an automatic file sorter or smth

[heady dock]

yeah, i was more referring to simple stuff like having additional jokers of rarities from other mods or something

[heady frost]

rarities would be easier i reckon

i could just hardcode some big mods rarity

but having them directly interact with a specific mods features would be insane lol

might look more into it when everything is in a good state and im looking for a challenge

before starting joker forge it seemed pretty impossible but here we are

[heady dock]

creating cards from other mods without having to add dependencies for the entire mod should probably at least be doable, idk how interacting with completely new features would even work

[heady frost]

i will definitely burn that bridge when i get to it lol

[wild pier]

the glory of my jokers

[heady frost]

also

[heady frost]

this is beautiful

but how many of them really work

[wild pier]

uhh

maybe

[nimble island]

nice

[wild pier]

added new ones

[heady frost]

i love the python one

[nimble island]

how do i get my joker to raise in ^mult like a wee joker

I cant figure it out

[heady frost]

make a variable, then increase that variable and set that variable to be the value for ^mult

btw added sell value effect, mainly so egg and gift card can now be replicated

gonna try and re-style the block palette then go bed

[nimble island]

but the only variable i can pick is var1 and idk how to change or remove that

[heady frost]

?

press 'v'

to open the variables panel

[nimble island]

sorry

i didnt know lol

[heady frost]

nah its chill dont worry lol

[nimble island]

wait but how do i make it ^mult

[heady frost]

this is how i would do it

you click the x to toggle variable mode

for the value of ^mult

[nimble island]

oh

[heady frost]

then you can select a variable youve created

[nimble island]

whats the inital value

[heady frost]

its up to you, but i set mine to 1

[nimble island]

ok

[heady frost]

because ideally you would wanna start it at one, then incremement it by whatever

[nimble island]

and how do i show the amount its at on the desc

[heady frost]

in the editjokerinfo

if you click it, it will insert that variable into it

it will be #1#

and in game it will show that as the actual number for the variable

https://github.com/Jayd-H/joker-forge/wiki/Creating-a-Joker-in-Joker-Forge#description-styling

[nimble island]

ok i got a really cool joker thanks

[icy crow]

Wait is retriggering jokers available?

[heady frost]

no, not yet, it needs to be its own effect when i get around to it

[icy crow]

Wouldn't it be another context tho?

[heady frost]

it will be but so is regular retriggering

and destroying jokers

both of those require a different context

the codegen can intelligently make them for circumstances like that

[icy crow]

also from what i found you'd need

SMODS.optional_features.retrigger_joker = true

in the code somewhere

[heady frost]

thank u for the insight, i wil add it to the checklist but it wont be added until the rest of the vanilla related stuff gets added

[lusty wagon]

how to use the file you exported?

[icy crow]

you extract the zip and put the extracted folder into the mods folder

[lusty wagon]

k

how cos what i use to extract dont work

[heady frost]

if you are on windows, there is a built-in zip extractor

[lusty wagon]

what is its name?

[heady frost]

you right click the zip and click "extract here"

[lusty wagon]

i dont get it when i do that and i do have windows

[lusty wagon]

dont have dat

[icy crow]

Is this a zip?

[heady frost]

you are right clicking a file, rather than the zip

[heady dock]

did you select the zip file?

also seeing more of the screen would help

[lusty wagon]

this is what it exported as

the card is called error

[icy crow]

Oh you didn't export the mod just the joker

[heady frost]

that is crazy

[icy crow]

there's

on the site

[lusty wagon]

yes cos its only one joker for now

and ok

[heady dock]

yeah but it doesnt work to export the joker and put it in the game because its missing all the mod info

[lusty wagon]

how do i do auther name?

[heady dock]

go to mod metadata

and enter all the required fields

[lusty wagon]

k

[heady frost]

overhauled the block palette

let me know if some things feel like they are in the wrong categories

[outer axle]

Nice

[lyric cradle]

nice

[woeful bough]

is there a first discard of round

[heady frost]

there should be

or atleast a condition for it

[young relic]

uhhhh
what's the point of this..?

[heady frost]

mr. bones lol

[young relic]

OH

[stiff bobcat]

this is literally a lifesaver wow

[young relic]

erm

[heady frost]

is it not disabling boss blind?

maybe there is an issue that for a split second after the boss blind is selected, that code runs, but the boss blind isn't technically a boss blind idk

just use the passive trigger for boss blind disabled

[stiff bobcat]

is there an easy way to do something like castle or ancient joker or mail in rebate where it switches every round

[young relic]

it disables any other boss blind
though this is a modded blind so

[heady frost]

not currently unfortunately, that's the next big thing that will be added

[heady frost]

oh, that's the issue then

hmm

I will look into it

[umbral stag]

for some odd reason i can't import my mod's metadata

[heady frost]

What's it saying

[umbral stag]

this should be good, no?

[heady frost]

that is different

[stiff bobcat]

oh alright ;p

[heady frost]

when you save a mod, you get a joker forge specific file

[umbral stag]

ahhh

[heady frost]

then you import that file

cos that file contains all the info on your jokers and everything in a way joker forge understands

[umbral stag]

yea

[young relic]

let me check with chicot normally
if the blind debuffs chicot then it's probably not a worry

[heady frost]

yeah good shout

the passive trigger will be better for disabling boss blind anyways because passive trigger does it's effect when it's added to your collection. for example, if you get the joker mid-blind, because it's blind selected, it won't actually do the effect, but with passive it will

[young relic]

debuffs chicot, don't worry about it now

[heady frost]

that's a relief haha

[umbral stag]

is this possible to create a rule for? i'm unsure if it allows for "if played hand contains [balahalal bl;alalha]"

[heady frost]

should be

there is not a "enhancement count" for hand played

[umbral stag]

okay i'll look

[heady frost]

but I reckon you can do some funky variable tracking

with card scored

[umbral stag]

ah so i can't detect if there's a stone card or whatever

[umbral stag]

oh

i'll try

[heady frost]

card scored has stuff for enhancements

I need to add enhancements/editions/seal checking for hand played but I haven't gotten around to it lol, too busy tryna replicate all vanilla jokers

[umbral stag]

yea

i mean i assume you're like using this right
https://github.com/nh6574/VanillaRemade

[heady frost]

yeah been using that as a great reference for things

[woeful bough]

when the hand is scored you can see if there is a stone card, if there is, modify a variable by 1 and then increase the payout, then set the variable back to 0

[umbral stag]

that's what i thought, but i can't tell how to make a payout increase

[heady frost]

payout would also be another variable

[umbral stag]

yeah but hmm

true true

[heady frost]

modify internal variable

to change a variable

then any value you can press the little x icon above the input to change it to variable mod

mode

and select one of your variables

[woeful bough]

is there a way to register if an enhacnement is there for the "when hand played" trigger?

[heady frost]

nah not at the moment, would probably be a really easy condition to add, might be a tomorrow job

for now you will have to track it with a variable with card scored

[woeful bough]

but that works with retriggers?

[umbral stag]

you could use variables

yeah

[woeful bough]

that will change it every time it retriggers

not the first time

[umbral stag]

no, if you change it set

then you can put it back to 0 at end of round

i just did this

[heady frost]

but if you just need to know if there's atleast one, have the condition be greater than 1

[pure ravine]

I was trying to make a legendary joker that makes face cards and numbered cards considered as all suits but I don’t see the components to create it preferably the suit components

[umbral stag]

probably too complicated

[woeful bough]

he hasnt added it yet

[heady frost]

the "considered as" stuff is broken at the moment

it's a planned thing because it's required for smeared joker and pariedolia so it's priority

[umbral stag]

anyway i think this should work

• when a stone card is scored, set hasStone to 1
• after scoring, if hasStone = 1, then increase payout by 0.5
• at end of round, payout the player equal to payout (1 by default) and set hasStone back to 0

[woeful bough]

tomorrow im going to try and make a bunch of joker ideas i had before my adhd disintegrates them form my head

[umbral stag]

this is why you write your jokers down

[heady frost]

looks good, but I would change it to hastone >= 1

in the case there's more than one stone

[umbral stag]

if there's more than one stone, it wouldn't matter, no?

[heady frost]

ohhhh

[umbral stag]

since it's setting a value, not adding

[heady frost]

set

[umbral stag]

yea

[heady frost]

yeah

looks fire then

would be way less complicated if I got off my ass and just added the proper conditions in haha

[woeful bough]

Would be cool if there was a condition for joker tags

Loke:

"This joker gains x1 mult per mod joker owned"

By tag I mean like "j_mod_customjoker"

[heady frost]

yeah I get what you mean, like the ability to have wildcards in the specific joker condition. like j_mod_*

bruh autoformat

[young relic]

there needs to be a way to see what your joker's key is
(maybe you can make it modifiable, in the properties section?)

because a joker with symbols only is PAIN to put down

[woeful bough]

It's "J_modtag_broken_seraph" or "J_modtag_brokenseraph"

[young relic]

a good example of this is:

[woeful bough]

Symbols crash the game, no?

[young relic]

nope

[woeful bough]

Some do

[young relic]

the key automatically changes it to joker_(randomstuff)

[woeful bough]

' and "

[heady frost]

true haha

will add it to the edit joker into

info

[young relic]

i know it's j_ocstobal_brokenseraph (i learnt that the hard way)

[woeful bough]

Been there 😭

[umbral stag]

@heady frost last question before i leave: are there any plans in the future for some kind of "shader creator"? i see that things like consumables, decks, and editions are planned to be added, and there isn't really a great edition thing for balatro right now (you can use things like shadertoys or whatever but they are impossibly hard to transfer over to balatro, even with tutorials)

[woeful bough]

Yes

[heady frost]

when editions get added that will be a thing for sure

[umbral stag]

YES

i need this

[heady frost]

because what's the point in making cool editions without cool shaders

[umbral stag]

very true

[woeful bough]

Aren't editions just a shader

[heady frost]

ideally it can be all visual too and you will see a demo of the shader too

and I want it to emulate the balatro style like you put your mouse over it and it transforms to your mouse

[umbral stag]

of the 11 editions in my mod, 2 of them have shaders
1 is ai slop mixed with completely random values that's probably riddled with dumb shit
and 2 was an accident 😭

[heady frost]

but that will probably a little while

[umbral stag]

yeah

i'm very excited for this

the entire thing, i mean

[heady frost]

thank u a lot I appreciate it genuinely

[woeful bough]

Its good for jokers too

Like hologram

[woeful bough]

Ditto

[woeful bough]

Wait weren't you going to recreate every base,game joker

Wouldn't hologram need a shader

[heady frost]

shaders will also probably have like a community made preset section where people can upload good shader presets and others can steal

[heady frost]

naaaaaaaah

[woeful bough]

Oh okay I see

[heady frost]

atleast not before I make custom editions

[woeful bough]

WWWWW

[umbral stag]

yes

[heady frost]

but there's still custom consumables to come before that haha

[woeful bough]

Are you still taking template jokers?

[heady frost]

of course

I would love more template jokers

[woeful bough]

I'll work on one when I get home

[heady frost]

I want everyone on this server to send me a template joker lol

[umbral stag]

genuinely i know you were talking about doing all those vanilla things, could i like try and pr some of the template jokers? i don't really know much website code, but i could probably just copy from what's already there; this is insane and i love it

[heady frost]

go for it, the code gen code should be pretty straightforward

would love to see a pr

[woeful bough]

Everything

[heady frost]

it's a big project so I welcome help, it's just difficult finding people to help because it requires good understanding in two niches lol

[heady frost]

I love the robot art

[young relic]

okay so i'm curious on something
we have exponential mult/chips
but how do we pull off something like "^^^x"

[heady frost]

send me the robot art one

[heady frost]

like exponential exponential?

[young relic]

yeah

[woeful bough]

I gotta get it hold on

[heady frost]

you could just do exponential then alter the code probably but joker forge can't do that now

[umbral stag]

btw there should be an option to sort by collection order

[heady frost]

I don't even know the order that the collection will make it in, I think it will make it in alphabetical because it will always go through code gen alphabetically

atleast from my testing

but it would be cool to have the ability to control the collection

to make things nicely ordered

[umbral stag]

well like just for the list

[heady frost]

OOH

this is vanilla reforged page

[umbral stag]

so like you know jimbo pops up first then greedy joker etc

[umbral stag]

yea

[heady frost]

yeah you right haha

[umbral stag]

also what is this 😭

[heady frost]

wee joker art wasn't scaled properly lol

[umbral stag]

ah

[heady frost]

you could just rescale it for joker forge but can't be bothered lol

[umbral stag]

also perkeo is fucking dead

[young relic]

thank you almac for making my life easier to understand how to do "^^^x"

[heady frost]

yeah the vanilla reforged page doesn't take into consideration overlays

[umbral stag]

i mean like

so idk

[heady frost]

these ones are just flat images only perkeo has the overlay because someone else did that one for me

because my version was broken lol

[young relic]

oh wait i forgot "canonically depressed sparky" has 50 destroy joker effects 😭

[umbral stag]

yeah

[young relic]

OH MY GOD 😭

[heady frost]

that joker is not getting used

[heady frost]

beautiful

[young relic]

"1/10 chance to make your life, a living hell"

[heady frost]

this is why "destroy joker" effect needs a parameter for destroying all jokers

[umbral stag]

also unless john balatro leaked the next update secretly coming tomorrow, some jokers' rarities are wrong

[woeful bough]

Im going to make a separate placeholder when I get home

Watching 4th of July fireworks on the 5th 🗣️ 🔥

[heady frost]

whoops

[umbral stag]

(and diet cola)

[heady frost]

all those jokers are really easy to change quickly

[umbral stag]

yeah

[heady frost]

they are all stored in public/vanillareforged.json

and then the page just reads that json

[umbral stag]

yeah

[heady frost]

and that JSON is just me making them in jokerforge and exporting them as json like any other jokerforge mod

[umbral stag]

will changing the name possibly kill something

[woeful bough]

I will never understand how you can read jsons
"Name=coke latro
}
}
0191oekdkek1k1kkxkcofo3k2k1kk23ox9vpglelwpzococo..."

[heady frost]

nah go for it lol

[heady frost]

all of that extra shit is just the image lol

it gets converted into base64

[woeful bough]

Oh haha

[heady frost]

when it gets added back onto jokerforge, it gets un-converted back into the image and it's chill again

[young relic]

i should learn lua ngl

[heady frost]

it's a decent language honestly

would not program in it outside of this tho

[woeful bough]

I've heard it's easy to pick up and a good gateway

[heady frost]

in fact I didn't want to program in lua so much I made an entire website to do it for me lmao

it is a good language for sure

[umbral stag]

also i assume that scaling jokers' default values being #1# is unintentional

[woeful bough]

No

[heady frost]

#1# is the reference to the variable

[woeful bough]

It's the variable

[umbral stag]

well yeah but should the loc state 0

[heady frost]

if you had a second variable it would be #2# and so on

[umbral stag]

only in actual lua code it should be "#1#," no?

[woeful bough]

I think he means in game

It shows up as #1# in game

[umbral stag]

not "in-game"

[woeful bough]

The joker forge description is supposed to be #1#

[umbral stag]

like i know what locs are i literally make cool mod things but also literal plaintext #1# shows up on the page

[heady frost]

the description goes through no changes when it reaches code gen, except for the [s] tags

[umbral stag]

i see; though, it's just a bit sudden seeing a loc_var be mentioned on a joker instead of the actual value
modded balatro wiki is probably a good example of this

[heady frost]

i could make it show the variable name on frontend you are right

[umbral stag]

it's a bit more visually appealing but obviously low-priority

[heady frost]

but i think its intuitive enough for newbies to understand that its a variable, and if they need to manually edit code they wont wonder what the #1# is

its an easy fix for sure but i think i prefer it as a #1# instead of the variable name

cos i want as little changes from what you actually do to what is actually there in code

thats why i dont want any restrictions on exporting, if you want to make a joker with no effect, just a trigger and 5 conditions it will let you kinda thing

if u get what i mean

[stiff bobcat]

THIS EVEN DOES METADATA FOR YOU???

god bring fortune on the creator of this

[heady frost]

that was the easiest part haha

[heady frost]

[young relic]

i still love how i have a joker that is SPECFICALLY designed to crash your game if you buy it

(if you somehow avoid the crash initially, selecting a blind still crashes the game)

[heady frost]

thats just good game design honestly

[young relic]

all because they called him a "sprunki character"

[stiff bobcat]

where on the roadmap is trading card & destroy card in played hand effect 👅

asking out of curiosity ill be waiting until it gets added

[heady frost]

very soon, this week probably

hoping to get all vanilla jokers fully functional by this week

then do some polishing for a week or so, then start on custom consumables

[glass canopy]

THIS IS SO PEAK

[young relic]

RAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[stiff bobcat]

YAY :DDDD

this tool is so peak

[heady frost]

thank u, it has come a long way haha

[glass canopy]

hey a mod that i own also has a joker that looks like a sprunki character

😭

will this ever add the ability to make custom bosses?

[heady frost]

eventually down the line

[young relic]

i meaaaaaaaaan

[heady frost]

then custom editions/rarities/enhancements/seals, then custom decks, then probably boss blinds

only because i find boss blinds to be boring lol

[heady frost]

forced eternal too

and rental

[glass canopy]

vro

[young relic]

no escaping your crash, buddy!!!

[heady frost]

can i use this for a placeholder i love that

[glass canopy]

no its bulgoe

it will always be bulgoe

[umbral stag]

it's bulgoe from our mod

bulgoe

[heady frost]

NOOOOOO

[umbral stag]

bulgoe

[heady frost]

modern art

[glass canopy]

you can use it as a placeholder

yeah

[umbral stag]

wait wait

you can use this too two

[heady frost]

combine them

joker3

[umbral stag]

i mean

[glass canopy]

we already have every single one up to joker 9

[heady frost]

this is what localthunk wouldve wanted

[umbral stag]

my dude

[heady frost]

you were one step ahead of me

[glass canopy]

oh yeah this should add custom rarities at some point

that'd be cool

[umbral stag]

where's my 22exomythic4mecipe

where's my abysmal

[heady frost]

seems pretty easy to do too which is good

[glass canopy]

im going on strike until you add custom rarities

[heady frost]

ui overhaul first then custom rarities i promise

i hate the current ui outside of the rulebuilder i need a proper web designer for this shit

[glass canopy]

grrrr wheres my oeshrjklnsedarlknsmdrkjsmndnrjas,dmrn rarity

god came down from the heavens and said "let there be oeshrjklnsedarlknsmdrkjsmndnrjas,dmrn rarity"

[glass canopy]

WHY IS THERE NO EVERY HAND OPTION

AGAGAGAGA

[heady frost]

this will come when i add custom hands

[glass canopy]

anyways i have to eep good night

[heady frost]

have a nice rest

[glass canopy]

when do you think consumables will end up being editable

cause I Can't Wait

[stiff bobcat]

custom hands :O

[woeful bough]

Im looking forward to the condition that checks how many cards of one enhancement are in your hand

I was goung to make a joker for "X0.5 mult if played hand does not exist"

Like 5 stone cards

[heady frost]

in 3 weeks or so if im being conservative

i work quite fast

so hopefully sooner but probably 3 weeks

[heady frost]

i dont think custom hands would be too hard, maybe im naiive but a week max

[heady frost]

but also keep in mind when consumables come out, it will be in an early state haha, the joker editor has taken like basically a month or so of a lot of work to get it to where it is and its still not done. consumables will probably be faster just because more things are in place and there is less variability with them but you get what i mean lol

[stiff bobcat]

do you mean x1.5

[woeful bough]

Gains

X0.5

[stiff bobcat]

ah

[sour spear]

is there a not condition

[lyric cradle]

uh oh

[errant mason]

what did you do

[lyric cradle]

accidently retriggered copying a card 1 million times

[sour spear]

how the hell 😭

[summer python]

So this is just the Gulitone Essence.

[umbral stag]

no not really
last line basically negates everything above causing it to only give the mult it says on that line

[summer python]

if it didn't then i guess chaos would ensue.

[umbral stag]

no, your game would instantly hard crash

[covert yew]

Finaly got around to reading this. This is epic

Wild somone made this

[wild pier]

why the fuck are the max jokers in auto save 43

look at the fucking difference

my file

autosave

[wild pier]

autosave

[wild pier]

file

[ebon marsh]

wh

[outer axle]

Is there a way to add editions like polychrome to a random joker?

[heady dock]

i think this is because the joker gets debuffed before it activates, as usually boss blinds are still activated for a bit before they get disabled

[lapis mauve]

ooh just noticed the block palettes

dang thats smooth

cna someone explain what issues are on github

are they just bugs?

[heady frost]

is this real

[heady frost]

bugs, features, etc. I just use it as like a reminder list

[lapis mauve]

can other people add stuff too

as like

suggestions

or should we do that here

[heady frost]

yeah go for it, it's better to do it on the GitHub too in case I miss it here

[lapis mauve]

alrighty

if i have multiple, should i make multiple different ones?

[heady frost]

yeah go for it haha

[hidden oriole]

try copying chico bossblind disabling effect

[lapis mauve]

yo why legendaries $8 now 😔

also this should be allow in shop

[heady frost]

true haha

[heady frost]

they always defaulted to 8

I should probably change it

[lapis mauve]

yeah normally it's 20

[lusty wagon]

where to find photos that are right size?

[glass canopy]

is this supposed to be a bug

[lapis mauve]

huh?

just make them 71 by 95

if you mean the original sprites you can find them on the spriters resource

[lusty wagon]

i cant figure out how to change their size tho

[lapis mauve]

what program are you using?

[lusty wagon]

what do you mean program?

[lyric cradle]

i would just find an image resizer

[lapis mauve]

what program do you use for the art

[lusty wagon]

none of them go to right size

[lyric cradle]

142x190

[lapis mauve]

eh no

[lusty wagon]

i just find internet imedges for a temporary one

[lapis mauve]

normally its 71 by 95

[lapis mauve]

oh

i can send you one

[lusty wagon]

pls do

[lapis mauve]

this is what i normally use

and also jimbo if you'd like

[lusty wagon]

is that the right size?

[lapis mauve]

yep

[lusty wagon]

k thx

[lapis mauve]

np

[lusty wagon]

i used it the template and it dont work i made a custom one

[heady frost]

what is

[lusty wagon]

dont work pls help

[glass canopy]

uh so basicaly i have a varible for #1# which is 20 but in the description is shows at #1#

[lapis mauve]

what doesnt work?