Joker Forge - Create Balatro Mods Visually and Export the Lua Files (WIP)

[young relic]

also make it so you can hide the description/joker since it gets in the way a lot

[heady frost]

good idea, there should be a button to hide it, or clicking on the joker should hide it maybe, ill add it to the list

[restive elk]

do you think that it could be possible to export your mod with text stored in a localization file instead of in the jokers?

[smoky trail]

Would it give you a localization file every time you make a joker?

Or store the file somewhere and update it everytime

Probably the latter actually

The former would be silly

[restive elk]

i figure it would only be created when you export it as a mod

[smoky trail]

Idk how local storage works on web based apps, like what refreshes would do

[smoky trail]

True yeah that could work

[hidden oriole]

i think you can just

[young relic]

trying to make it so that you NEED all types in your hand, not just 1 ace

[hidden oriole]

is it worth

[hidden oriole]

oh

my bad

[young relic]

don't know if "If Card Rank = A and If Card Suit = (suit)" or "If Card Rank = A and If Card Suit = Hearts and If Card Suit = ..." works

can't test rn as export is buggy atm

[heady dock]

it probably wont since it's checking if a single card is an Ace and hearts and diamonds and clubs and spades at the same time

you could probably copy flower pot for what youre trying to do though

[icy crow]

I think you need 4 triggers modyfing some variable to make it work

And then properly reset them

[hidden dagger]

what is the difference between apply and add?

[heady frost]

no difference, just different words lol

apply sounded nicer than add for xmult

[heady frost]

this will probably come later on when I start adding more than just jokers. I want to give export options for things like this

[heady frost]

yes, you can click the ands to make the ors tho

[sour spear]

got bored and created this

[icy crow]

cool art

[frank flax]

is there a way to make a jolly in joker forge that has the description of 25x mult, it self-distruct after selling 4 jokers?

[sour spear]

thanks

[heady frost]

currently there's no trigger for "when a joker is sold" unfortunately, need to add that probably today or tomorrow

[slate glen]

[icy crow]

Worst thing in modding balatro by code is forgetting a comma 3 TIMES IN A ROW

[slate glen]

@heady frost i am also humbly requesting for "when a consumable is used" trigger

that there is a way to identify the type of consumable it is (tarot, planet or spectral)

or even narrow it down to the exact one used

there is not much i can do with this trigger without that granular detail

[autumn dove]

Typescript

[heady frost]

that would be good actually, I wanted to stray away from triggers having parameters but "when a consumable is used" or "when a joker is sold" can definitely benefit from having parameters like that

[slate glen]

if you plan to recreate every vanilla joker, you'll need it for Constellation anyway

my use case was similar to that

[heady frost]

very true, but does constellation act retroactively?

[slate glen]

i think it does but can't say for sure

no it doesn't

according to the wiki

[toxic aspen]

It doesn’t it would be a rare if it did

[opaque wasp]

@heady frost How much are you planning on adding to this? Are you going to end up just adding functionality for all vanilla aspects (tags, challenges, seals), or will you want to go further yet, adding functionality for all or most of SMODS?

[heady dock]

Would a parameter for a trigger not just be effectively the same as a condition?

[heady frost]

hopefully as much functionality as makes sense, extending beyond vanilla stuff, but vanilla stuff is definitely a priority

[heady frost]

you make a very good point lmao

I suppose it can be controlled with conditions and that lets triggers be parameter-less. there is already some ambiguity with triggers because there is a "first played hand" trigger but also a "first played hand" condition lol

[sour spear]

would be nice if theres a "1 in 5 chance to do [thing 1], else,[thing 2]"

for the random chance

[frank flax]

@heady frost here is the folder that i exporter from your site

btw i gave some update on the situation on Balatro modding starter pack

[wild pier]

i love joker forge

[icy crow]

i think he meant the file from this button

[frank flax]

oh, my bad

im italian so some of the words i wrote are in italian

[heady frost]

no worries haha, I'll have a look at it when I get home

[icy crow]

and what doesn't work?

rn everything seems fine

[frank flax]

when i try to start a run, it crashes with this error

[icy crow]

do you have any other mods?

[frank flax]

i have only this one and talisman but in the mods folder there are others but i turned them off, should i remove them?

[heady dock]

this is a crash located in the balatro code rather than a mod, so i assume some mod is really fucking with the visibility of poker hands

do you have steamodded installed properly

[icy crow]

do you have steamodded

[frank flax]

yes

[heady dock]

latest version?

[frank flax]

i don't know

let me check

i have steam modded version 1.0.0 BETA 0626b

where can i download the latest steammodded version?

[icy crow]

does that version even exist?

[heady dock]

i dont think it does

[frank flax]

it's written on the title screen to the left

[icy crow]

latest is

[heady dock]

latest version on the github is 0614a yeah

[icy crow]

where did you download it from

[frank flax]

https://github.com/Steamodded/smods

this

i think

[heady dock]

you probably went to code > download zip instead of the latest release then is my best guess

https://github.com/Steamodded/smods/releases/tag/1.0.0-beta-0614a

download this instead

[frank flax]

ok thank you so much

[wild pier]

how do i find a joker key

is it just the name with j_

[icy crow]

j_<mod prefix>_<joker name>

[wild pier]

ohh

[icy crow]

that format worked in my code

[wild pier]

so like j_themod_the_obsidian_pillar

or no _ as spaces

[icy crow]

_ as spaces

[wild pier]

kk

[frank flax]

it works thank you so much

[icy crow]

wait actually im not sure how the generated code names the keys

@wild pier no spaces everything lowercase

for the name

[heady dock]

unless its already doable with the card held in hand trigger, there should be a card held in hand at the end of round trigger

also the card held in hand trigger doesnt have the card seal condition for some reason

[wild pier]

k

[frank flax]

@heady frost a friend asked if you could add a card destroying feature, no pressure btw keep up the good work

[heady dock]

im pretty sure its already there as an effect, unless you mean as a trigger

[frank flax]

i mean that, for example, if a queen is played in hand joker gains x2 mult (scaleable jokers are also missing from the site which would be fixed by just being able to put variables as xmult values) and destroys the played queens

[heady dock]

you can put variables as xmult values

you just have to press the little button next to the parameter name

that turns on variable mode for the parameter

[heady frost]

scalable jokers are working, card held in hand trigger already works

look at the example for baron and stuff

[heady dock]

destroying played queens can be done by destroying them when theyre scored

[frank flax]

i dont mean the trigger, i mean the card being destroyed

[frank flax]

how

[heady frost]

destroy triggered card is an effect, it's exclusive to the card scored trigger

[icy crow]

nice marketing

[heady frost]

it might be a tiny bit broken tho

[heady dock]

when a card is scored > if card rank = queen > destroy card

[heady frost]

this was added so that if I see people in modding dev asking for help with their code, me and others will know it's jokerforge code so I can better know what needs fixing lol

[sour spear]

can you add where if the random group doesnt trigger, trigger a different group for it 😇

[heady frost]

feel free to delete it lol, when I add export options I might add an option to disable all comments in the code

[wild pier]

hi guys can any of yall test my joker forge mod after i trigger all of my 30 jokers together

[frank flax]

thank you

[wild pier]

[i dont have balatro bought yet]

[heady frost]

I don't know what you mean. like as in 'if effects does not trigger > do something'

[sour spear]

yeah something like that

[heady dock]

either/or probability i presume

[slate glen]

folks does this make sense

[heady frost]

this would require the ability to put random chance groups inside random chance groups and that gets messy lol

if you wanted a card to have a 1/2 chance to do either or effect, right now I would make 2 separate effects, both with a 1/4 chance

therefore it has a 1/2 chance to do any effect

but this would mean that it could technically do both at once

[heady dock]

i mean thats not really the same, then youre just making one random chance only roll if another random chance rolled which is basically the same as just multiplying the chances

i meant more like choosing one effect randomly from a set pool of outcomes

[restive elk]

does one lick make all of the played cards holographic, or is it one lick per card

[frank flax]

@heady dock i wanna make a joker that scales by 2x mult for every queen played. how do i make it without it scaling only if the queens are played in general?

[slate glen]

1 lick per card

[icy crow]

when card is scored i assume>

[slate glen]

so for every destroyed stone card, you are making one scored card holographic

[heady dock]

this is how i made it

[restive elk]

I'd probably reword the second sentence as "When a card is scored, licks them to give Holographic" or smth along those lines

[heady dock]

the rank count checks for 1 or more queens

[slate glen]

yeah that's good, ty

[heady dock]

the double when a hand is played effect is because as far as i know only one effect in a context can trigger during that context because of how the code is generated, which is why there's the Xmult in both of them

[frank flax]

what does the modify internal variable do?

[heady dock]

its increases the variable Xmult by 2

[frank flax]

i want it to scale by 2 for every queen played, not if theres a queen played in general, is it possible?

[heady dock]

yeah you just gotta put the modify internal variable into the when card is scored effect

and then you dont need a duplicate hand played effect

though that will scale it for every time a queen is triggered, not for every queen played since there isnt any way to track that yet

[heady dock]

theres a first played hand trigger? all i see is played hand and first hand drawn

[frank flax]

i gave your code and try ad it says this

[heady dock]

thats probably an issue with the code generator then i presume, send me the mod

[heady dock]

might be because you have a space in your variable name, you cant do that

you can only use alphanumeric characters and underscores

[wild pier]

btw a sound play effect is really needed..

[heady dock]

im pretty sure its on low priority rn because its not actually needed for the functionality of any jokers, it is already in the list of features to add though as far as i know

[crimson silo]

found a little bug, if you select color and write some text afterwards with new lines, it will show as new lines get same color as line where color was selected, but in game actually only line with color selector is for example gray, lines next are default white. Amazing joker builder site through

also how do i make my joker destroy itself? i tried entering mod name with lower - and my joker name, similar to how cryptid for example c_tenebris does.

[icy crow]

There's destroy self effect

Iirc

All the way down

You have to move the window slightly upwards to see it fully

[heady dock]

yeah if you scroll to the bottom theres destroy self

[crimson silo]

lowered zoom in browser to 80, it's like finding secret page on book

[heady dock]

yeah that you zoomed in is probably the issue lol, cant see the entire page then

[icy crow]

I'll add an issue to the GitHub about it

[heady dock]

oh wait huh yeah thats wierd nvmk

never noticed that the block palette goes off screen partially

[heady frost]

I thinkt it's because I use vertical tabs on my browser so I always mess up with what the user can actually see, will sort this tonight haha. UI is hard lol

[heady frost]

very good catch will solve this later

[heady dock]

idk if you read it yet but the card seal condition isnt an option for the card held in hand trigger

[heady frost]

this is an easy fix, I'm out at seaside at the moment but once I'm back home I will sort it lol

to make sure I don't forget, u guys can add it as an issue to the GitHub, cos sometimes I forget to check this chat properly when I'm going thru it when I get home

[icy crow]

Customer service on a beach is crazy

[heady frost]

sat inside a pub rn, still upholding the good prospect of joker forge

[autumn dove]

Just met the creator of joker forge in pub really nice guy!!!!!!

[heady frost]

joker forge face reveal

[autumn dove]

Mr. Forge

[cedar zealot]

how did

whoa

[heady dock]

John "Joker" Forge

[flat valve]

pub? is jokerforge... british?

[cedar zealot]

and Roman

[heady frost]

NOOOOOOOOOOO 😭

[hidden dagger]

did you ask for an autograph?

[arctic chasm]

#💻・modding-dev message

[autumn dove]

I did but I didn't have a pen so he signed my notes

[hidden dagger]

woah

[heady frost]

I would be honoured

did you tell him to hurry up with development

[icy crow]

Maybe add in the original message that the errors should be sent here

[autumn dove]

No I think he prefers just lollygagging about like a bastard instead of working on joker forge

[heady frost]

yeah, the thing with ppl asking for help in modding dev is that even tho they might be able to help for the specific issues, it does not solve the root issue of jokerforge generating broken code in specific situations

[icy crow]

What if you did a popup when exporting about reporting issues here

[heady frost]

@autumn dove made a good point irl of adding a comment to the generated code, saying if you experience issues, report them to the GitHub issues page with your exported JSON

[icy crow]

Yeah but if you use a tool that generates code for you because you don't understand the code what's the chance that you'll open the file

[heady frost]

very true, a popup would be great too

[icy crow]

Recently there was someone that didn't know how to open the main.lua file

Or he had an idea but wanted to be sure

[heady frost]

just because I don't want the guys in modding-dev to end up hating jokerforge because when there is a big issue, people would be swarming there lol

I'll add that tonight

[heady dock]

does anyone here know if its possible to have poker hands as a tooltip on a card?

also why is the language files for the hands so wierd

like some of these have quotes and square brackets but some don't? why??

[limpid robin]

Hey, Is there any way I can put or variables in the effects part, I'm trying to make a joker create a random tarot OR spectral card, but i cant figure out how. Its always either both or none.

[crimson silo]

maybe like this? checks for internal variable, if set to 0 then spawns taro card and then sets to 1, if 1 then spawn spectral card and sets to 0

and add like 1 in something chance it will keep at 0 when spawned tarot

[heady frost]

that is a really ingenious solution damn

[slate glen]

@heady frost i gotta be leading the way for biggest joker forge mod

[heady dock]

how do you make so many!!!

i could never think of this much

[slate glen]

i can't lie, i've probably invested 20 hours of work into this already

[limpid robin]

man i need to get my gain up i only got 3 jokers 💀

[icy crow]

i wonder if there will be an error where the website refuses to load the json because its too big

maybe some day

[heady frost]

fr that is absolutely insane

[heady frost]

would not be surprised

anyways, updated the overview page to be a bit nicer and added a section with my recent commits so you guys can see exactly what has just been added

[icy crow]

"Chore" 👀

[heady frost]

its a programming thing lol

https://www.conventionalcommits.org/en/v1.0.0/

added a nice modal

[heady dock]

cards that are created from a specific card creation effect get added as a variable to joker info menu, idk if thats intentional

[heady frost]

send json, i cant replicate this for some reason

[heady dock]

json along with the variables for reference

oh wait i can export individual jokers

hold on

okay nvm that gives a lua file

[heady frost]

yeah haha, i might make an export json for individual joker soon

oh yeah, i see it lol. not intentional but not a super big issue, still will have a look at it

[broken pawn]

hello i am trying to make a joker that destroys all played face cards and gain .2 Xmult but im 90% sure im doing it wrong

[icy crow]

whats the internal variable in the conditions

[broken pawn]

well i was looking at the other scaling jokers in joker forge and they all had it so i was trying to copy that

[cursive solar]

hello!

i was trying to figure out how to achieve the effect of applying a specific enhancement to all cards in a played hand in the editor

[heady dock]

when a card is scored > edit triggered card

i dont think theres a way to do it for all played cards though, just all scored cards

[heady dock]

okay theres definitely a lot of things you should be doing differently

you should start by making a variable in the variables menu that you can open from the bottom menu thing

and then use that variable you created instead of the default one thats there because there are no variables yet

this is how i would do it

[broken pawn]

thanks for the help

[proper coral]

just discover this today

incredible

[heady frost]

thank u i appreciate it greatly

[young relic]

not again...

[heady frost]

you are the goat at finding obscure errors haha

[young relic]

im not even trying to do these intentionally 😭

i just randomly find bugs atp

[autumn dove]

does anyone else feel like the colour palette is kinda muddy??
me and goodmorning were discussing this yesterday but maybe the site could benefit from adjusting the colours and i made a pr to change some colours and experiment with some different colours
but i wanted to get some advice because if yall feel its okay maybe the change is not necessary if you like it?

this is what the site normally looks like

and this is an idea i had. i also wanted to consider making it color blind friendly too

[lapis mauve]

i do like it but i feel it could use a bit more color

[autumn dove]

yeah it feels like something is missing you know?

[lapis mauve]

mhm

[icy crow]

I hope you guys didn't meet irl just to talk about the site

[lapis mauve]

i mean why would they

[autumn dove]

lol imagine though

jokerforge discussion at the local pub

[icy crow]

😭

[autumn dove]

nah we are good friends irl it just comes up in conversation because he is very passionate about this project

[frank flax]

hi how do i make a joker self destruct, because i am using the effect "Destroy joker" and then specific joker and then i have to write the joker key, what is the joker key of the card your just creating?

[somber oar]

I'm mildly excited to use this later for the mod I'm working on. I've got a lot of ideas and I just don't have the time to learn to code.

[autumn dove]

There's a destroy self effect at the very bottom of the list

[frank flax]

oh thank i didn't noticed my bad

[autumn dove]

np :)

[frank flax]

just so i know if i want to try my new created joker is there a way to obtain them from the start of the run?

[icy crow]

You can install the debug plus mod

https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1228149931257237664

[frank flax]

where can i find the jokers key?

[icy crow]

j_<mod prefix>_<joker key>

in joker forge "joker key" is the name of your joker lowercase and removed spaces

so "My New Joker123" will have a key "mynewjoker123" and a indentifier of "j_<mod prefix>_mynewjoker123

[frank flax]

so if i want to have cavendish i write j_cavendish?

[icy crow]

yes

and if the joker is lets say from a mod, you have to add a prefix.
like "j_mycustommod_myjoker"

[frank flax]

ok thanks

[frank flax]

@heady frost you should add the check internal value condition to the passive trigger so i could make a yorick xchips version

[heady frost]

that wouldnt work as a trigger i think, to make yorick you would use the card discarded trigger, because thats the only time that the discard number would change

so i imagine you would make two rules, one for if it reaches over 23, and another for if it doesnt so you just increment by 1

[frank flax]

how do i make a rule if there isnt the correct trigger, its supposed to be passive

[heady dock]

just copy yorick from vanilla remade and change the xmult effect to an xchips effect (also change the buy price to 20)

scoring effects go in when hand is played, not passive

[heady dock]

there should be an option to make a chance effect not modifiable (basically just not use G.GAME.probabilities.normal) to allow random either/or effects to work properly without interference from oops all 6s

[flat valve]

as of latest smods probability jokers no longer use probabilities.normal

well, there’s backcompat but it’s temporary

[heady frost]

how easy is it to switch over to the new system and how long with it be backcompat for

because this change will require big changes to how random chance works in joker forge

[heady frost]

good idea, i will add it to the github issues

over the next couple of days, i want to finish up adding the more complex effects, and introduce the new 'global variables' system

[flat valve]

looks pretty easy to switch, unsure how long backcompat will last but the new changes are for oa6 iirc

jokers with old probability still work but break with oa6/other probability manipulation

[heady frost]

that's a bit annoying still, what's the reason for the change?

[flat valve]

well, there's now support for additive probability, and afaict the new system has much more intuitive syntax

[heady frost]

that's pretty good then atleast

[hidden oriole]

i managed to set hand size to 0

[heady frost]

is that an instant loss lol

[hidden oriole]

yes but i managed to do it once now i can replicate it

[heady frost]

destroy triggered card effect should be much more robust and actually work. big thanks to @tepid glade for the help with the code in modding dev lol

if you find any issues with it, please let me know

[young relic]

oh shit you can export individual jokers now??

AND MORE COLORS ?!!

uh

[icy crow]

🔥

[swift night]

Destroy hand cards is implemented

?

[young relic]

still would be really funny if stickers can already be on jokers (like the cube from cryptid mod)

[heady frost]

yeah, destroy playing cards, exclusive to the card scored trigger. it was already implemented before, but the code it was generating was very wrong

[heady frost]

very good suggestion, I will add it to the list

[slate glen]

i am desperate for held in hand at end of round to be implemented

[young relic]

[heady frost]

what do you mean held in hand at end in round

ohhh

the trigger

[slate glen]

the current held in hand triggers every hand and isn’t really suitable

for a lot of things I want to use that for

[heady frost]

good point actually

[young relic]

NOT AGAIN

[heady frost]

I think I had a look at that early

it's an issue with your joker that has a 1/10 chance

you have two triggers for the same thing, both without conditions

you need to combine them, you can add probability based effects alongside existing effects

I should probably have some frontend error checking for things like this, like naming variables weird stuff breaks the code too

[young relic]

i've made the most unfair card possible with this (negative effect)

[icy crow]

Divide by 0.1 == multiply by 10

[young relic]

shh

let me change that

[sour spear]

the sell button 🔥🔥🔥🔥

oh yeah right it can be eternal

[young relic]

oookay so variables don't work for xchip or xmult anymore

that's weird

actually no wait it does work

yeah it works nvm

man i love using this

[dense shore]

Holy

[dense shore]

yes cow

[heady frost]

does the code gen actually work with this many effects lmao

this is crazy

[young relic]

yep

it's actually impossible to beat a blind with this alone (the x/10 mult ruins your run immediately)

[autumn slate]

i bet i could win this decently easily

(if i throw it with cryptid)

[young relic]

alright i'm buffing it to make it truly impossible

[autumn slate]

forgot to say after discarding a hand

[autumn slate]

wait till this joker meets ceremonial dagger

[young relic]

you're lucky stickers aren't forceable onto jokers right now

[autumn slate]

antithesis

(from cryptid i believe)

i think the best bet would be to have the card have an on destroy/sold condition where it spawns two more

hydra style

[summer python]

Here's another Joker I made, what rarity and price would you give it?

It starts at 0.1 chips.

[autumn slate]

feels like an uncommon

but it also scales wayyyyy less than scaling uncommons

[summer python]

So 1 chip then?

[autumn slate]

1 chip sounds fair

theres the teeny joker that scales by 6 chips when a 2 is scored

[summer python]

What art might it have?

[sour spear]

bruh

[summer python]

Actually I might make the art a collectable.

[sour spear]

the error is a random chance

a card with a random chance

[sour spear]

i decided to draw a placeholder card for my mod

[woeful bough]

i need some help

i finished my joker

how do i import it into the game?

[heady dock]

press the import mods button, then unzip the file you get and put it in your mods folder

[icy crow]

That's actually similar to mine

The texture was updated since this screenshot but yk

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1211128811316576327/1389050985137049660/image.png?ex=6865d90a&is=6864878a&hm=4621ced54960755849a8c0817f11068578511f5c75e8343e8b01d26353e54fe3&

[woeful bough]

and how did you make a scaling joker? (im new)

[icy crow]

This one wasn't make with joker forge

[woeful bough]

ooooh

ok

[icy crow]

But you can look at madness because i think it was on joker forge

[woeful bough]

oh

i forgot that was a feature 😂

is there a way to add ^(power) mult?

[prime wind]

IDK if this mod has a way to do that I haven't tried it yet but one long way to do it is by adding g enough 0 according to the ^(power) you want it to be raised to

[woeful bough]

what is G?

@heady frost plz add shop changing. i had a joker idea for "all vouchers are free, shop items are 25% more" before i checked and saw no triggers for that

it would also be cool to have ^mult!

[hidden oriole]

GRADIENT?!

🔥🔥🔥

[hidden oriole]

we all love creating fake op jokers

[woeful bough]

im so confused

this is the joker that is breaking it

i tried without and it worked

but idk why it is

[heady dock]

Did you actually make a variable to change in the variables tab

Oh you did nvm

Yeah i dont know why that doesnt work, probably a code generation issue

Send the crash log, someone might be able to help with that

[woeful bough]

I did

Above

I think that's the log

[heady dock]

Oh okay

Ig i just cant preview on mobile

[woeful bough]

Would you know how to make a pseudo ^mult?

[icy crow]

send the json from the site

so the dev can see what's up with that

[woeful bough]

Ok

[bleak dock]

Could i modify other mods jokers with this tool?

[woeful bough]

there is no way to import a joker as of now

[bleak dock]

So is only made for the creation of new jokers

I need to modify some of the pwx jokers

[woeful bough]

you can modify the base game/extra credit jokers they have in the resources tab

[icy crow]

not from a lua file that is

[woeful bough]

is there?

[bleak dock]

Can I ask you something about the compatibility of two mods?

[icy crow]

the json you sent

[lapis mauve]

Woah what

[bleak dock]

You seem good at coding

[lapis mauve]

Howd you do that

[woeful bough]

me?!

i have like an hour of slight python learning as my experience 🙏

[bleak dock]

Lol

[woeful bough]

but to know compatibilty you just run the two mods

if they dont work

incompatible

[bleak dock]

I just want a way to make them compatible

Thats the point

Entropy and pwx

[woeful bough]

idk

ask the easternfarmer

[bleak dock]

Ok but why should he know

[prime wind]

Oh I just had a spelling error

[woeful bough]

he has done lua coding

[woeful bough]

oh

the problem with that is it is a scaliung joker

[icy crow]

doesn't mean i know about mod compability

[woeful bough]

better than me

programming just looks like hieroglyphs to me

[bleak dock]

I can’t ask the actual creators cuz they don’t go well with anyone

Everyone i ask tells me to stop playing pwx

[woeful bough]

funny how my more reasonable concept didnt work but this did

[icy crow]

ofc you changed the main file to coke.lua 😭

[woeful bough]

I tried changing it after it broke

The first time

It was main

And if I can find a fix I'll probably change it

Funny how the gmod joker is the one that gets an error

[icy crow]

funny thing is that it doesn't look like i got an error in the files i downloaded

[woeful bough]

It works?

[icy crow]

error mentioned this part

[woeful bough]

Is it a compatibility issue then?

With the mods I have

[icy crow]

wait wtf

why is there return before other return

[woeful bough]

Idk what that means but it sounds like it shouldn't

[icy crow]

you said you understand some python. did you learn functions?

[woeful bough]

It has been a year

But slightly

Yes

[icy crow]

def f(x):
  return x
  x = x + 1
  return x

print(f(10))

basically

it returns before doing the other part

and the error is because it expects to end the if after the return

[woeful bough]

Oh

[icy crow]

i'll add an issue on the github just in case the dev doesn't read these messages

[woeful bough]

So that's why it said "Smods expected to end at line 200something" near [if]?

[icy crow]

yup

if you open the file in let's say notepad and change these lines to this is should work

unless the (card.ability.extra.xmultvar) + 0.1 raises an error

[woeful bough]

I'll try after I sleep. I woke up at 12 (pm) and it's now 7 am

So

[icy crow]

gn

@woeful bough sorry for the ping but i found the problem. if you remove the custom message in the Destroy triggered card effect it should work.

[woeful bough]

nah it's fine im gonna try to stay up and fix my sleep schedule

also thank you

[icy crow]

wait

the effect is just like that

😭

@woeful bough

[icy crow]

you have to go into the code and delete it/ do what i showed here

[woeful bough]

ugh

i hope he fixes that

what do i get rid of here?

[icy crow]

return {
message = ...
}

the first one

[icy crow]

yes

you could try switching the places of the effects later

[icy crow]

should be fine

[woeful bough]

ok

this is aroud line 252

[icy crow]

no spaces in variable names

:)

[woeful bough]

ok

i didnt even end up using that variable

i was trying to make ^mult but couldnt do it with joker forge

[icy crow]

i feel like im flooding the github

[woeful bough]

this game hates me

[heady frost]

maybe swap the effects around

it doesn't make sense logically if destroy triggered card comes before a variable anyways

because the card is destroyed

see if that works

[woeful bough]

ok

[heady frost]

but I will get on that

[woeful bough]

oh

is there a way to make something in the shop a set price?

[heady frost]

like ignoring the vouchers that change price?

[woeful bough]

yea

like ex: "all vouchers are free"

[heady frost]

probably if you code it manually but not with jokerforge unfortunately

[woeful bough]

that's okay

[heady frost]

I should add it to the list tho

[woeful bough]

do you plan on making things like ^mult possible?

i saw that negative cards and Xchips existed

[heady frost]

I am pretty sure it's easy to do, if it is easy I could add it today when I get out of bed lol

[icy crow]

gl on that

[woeful bough]

i love this website

[heady frost]

this is beautiful I will add this soon

[icy crow]

i managed to get up but it's like 34°C outside and i just dont have energy to do anything

all i did related to balatro modding since i woke up is making those 3 issues on your github

[woeful bough]

i live in the cold parts of the us and those temps practically kill me

[heady frost]

thats perfect, thank u for adding issues. it's much better to add them there because it makes sure I don't miss them rather than in this chat lol

[woeful bough]

all of the jokers ive made (J.O.K.E.R says consumable)

[woeful bough]

btw i never changed the image for the joker. i added the J logo as an overlay

[woeful bough]

ah

[heady frost]

do these all work all nicely too

like does the code gen mess up lol or does it just work

[woeful bough]

yes, the only issue i had is there is no way to make a copy of the consumable that was sold. so if i have 2 different consumables and sell one, theres a chance it copies the other and not the one i sold

besides that yeah they worked perfect

i think the Jarry one was just my inexperience.

[heady frost]

is that the destroy triggered cards one

[woeful bough]

no

J.O.K.E.R

[heady dock]

Oh do we have card sold triggers now?

[woeful bough]

OH

[heady frost]

oh wait

[woeful bough]

nvm

[woeful bough]

yea

sorry i misread that

[heady frost]

will add this in like 30 mins or so lol

I want to add a bunch of effects, triggers, and conditions today that are missing

[woeful bough]

making a website like this must be hard

because of the specific scenarios

that people might make

i think my favorite thing is that you arent just trying to be able to recreate the base games stuff but also adding other sutff (Xchips, negative cards, ETC.)

makes it way more fun to make jokers

[icy crow]

technically ∞ possibilities

[woeful bough]

yea

but after youve added enough its up to people to combine the things already there

to make what they want

like there isnt gonna be a "fully recreate elden ring" effect

[icy crow]

pretty sure negative cards are possible normally but there's no way to get them

either that or the SMODS adds it

[woeful bough]

negative cards are to broken

localthunk would never

[heady dock]

No negative cards are in vanilla but unused

[icy crow]

no way to get them

[woeful bough]

oh

[heady dock]

The text for negative on playing cards is in the localization too

[woeful bough]

1.1?

imagine

[heady dock]

And its in the steam trailers

[woeful bough]

i feel like he might make bigger number support

[heady dock]

I doubt it since you barely hit the limit in vanilla anyway

[woeful bough]

if he were to add negative cards

ive seen naneinf with joker stencil

anything is possible

[heady dock]

Negative red seal steel kings + cryptid perkeo

[woeful bough]

i changed what the legendary i made did

[heady frost]

this is why people finding bugs is really great because there are endless different ways to create jokers and there isn't a good way to automate testing

[heady dock]

Install talisman and see how much higher you can go

[woeful bough]

"free labor is the best kind" -some random guy probably sometime

[woeful bough]

i did

before the game ran at 1 frame a second i got to about e20731

i wanted at least one unbalanced joker in my mod

but when ^mult gets added ill probably do it on accident

[heady dock]

Someone should make like a card stacking mod for negative cards in your hand for less 1 fps negative steel card gameplay

[icy crow]

did you disable scoring animations?

in talismans config

[woeful bough]

even with that though if the consumables you get are gotten faster than the rate that it stacks them the cards stay for a sec before being added

in that SS i had consumable stacking on

[woeful bough]

yes

but the problem was that i had so many cards and barons i sat there for like ten minutes and i saw the like 20th card in my hand shake (which indicates what card it is on)

if its to many triggers the disable scoring animations isnt much better than enabling them

[heady dock]

Do you have the latest talisman version, because that one actually disables card shaking

[woeful bough]

when did that come out!

thats hype

ill try it rn

😭 the joker still breaks

i swapped it

[icy crow]

can you show the lines

[woeful bough]

yea

lemme open it up

ah

i see

the return of... return

that isnt where the error was tho

[icy crow]

it is exactly where it was

are you sure you swaped them?

[woeful bough]

?

the if is at the top

that its referring to

yea

[icy crow]

damn

[woeful bough]

i can just wait for a fix

im assuming it is codegen breaking?

[icy crow]

or delete the 3 lines each time

[woeful bough]

i run the game or i download?

what if i dont give it a message

[heady frost]

send the json

i will fix it now

[icy crow]

sent prev

and linked in the issue

[heady frost]

this is just an issue with the destroy triggered card effect not appropropriately chaining itself

[heady frost]

oh lol

[heady frost]

you guys are the goat

[icy crow]

i tried to make as detailed issue as possible and you just ignored it 😢

[woeful bough]

farmer is

i just brought the problems

[icy crow]

i just worded the things you discovered

[woeful bough]

btw how do you play code?

[icy crow]

i added a discord RPC plugin

[woeful bough]

oh

it's kinda silly

it reads (to me) as you are literally PLAYING the code itself

like running doom on a calculator

[icy crow]

my friend is also taunting me about it sometimes

i just use it to track how much i spent away from life

[woeful bough]

programming is a good career

[icy crow]

ehh

[woeful bough]

^comparatively to a fast food worker

or like

any low level job

(atleast in the us)

the pay is awful

[heady frost]

US pay for programmers is insane

i could do the exact same job here as in america and in america i will get paid 3x more

[woeful bough]

yea

its wild

[heady frost]

im from the uk and starting salary for programmers is like 30-40k

[woeful bough]

that isnt too bad

[heady frost]

which still is not bad at all

[woeful bough]

*comparably to programmers here

what country are you in?

[heady frost]

yeah, the uk is notorious for bad salaries anyways lol

england

[icy crow]

the one with pubs in it

[woeful bough]

isnt the dollar worth more?

[heady frost]

no the pound is

i remember as a kid it would be 2 dollars for every pound

[woeful bough]

sorry i messed up

im tired

[heady frost]

but in the last 10 years the pound has dropped in value loads

[woeful bough]

i meant isnt the pound worth more

and ye

i thought

[heady frost]

its like 90 cents to a pound or something now, barely worth that much more

[heady frost]

wrong way around

thats better than i though

73 cents to a pound

i remember when the xbox 360 first came out and to buy those gamer points or whatever they called them (their currency) it was 49p when in america it was 99c

[woeful bough]

move to UK
put all money in bank
live in UK for a few years
interest in bank
move back to US
rich

unless banks have bad interest

[heady frost]

our interest rates are not even that good haha

and uk is taxed heavy

[woeful bough]

ours is 2.5%

at least for where i am

[heady frost]

ours might be better than that lol

the thing with america is the individual state really matters i think

[heady frost]

england is the size of some of your states

[woeful bough]

it used to be 5.25

they lowered it

[heady frost]

cheeky bastards

i love england though, great food, great people

knife crime goes hard but i dont live anywhere near london so im fine

[woeful bough]

*healthy food

except the ice cream being like 99% oil

[heady frost]

the food is genuinely healthier too, we have some of the strictest food regulation atleast compared to us

the toothpaste that is used in america is not allowed here even if i remember correctly

thats where the stereotype of bad teeth comes from

i think

[woeful bough]

except ice cream. the UK says that legally ice cream has to have "5% of ANY source of fats", while the US states "at LEAST 10% of DAIRY fats" to be called ice cream

[nimble island]

Knife crime isn’t that prominent though, I’ve only seen it once

[heady frost]

ice cream goes crazy here tho you gotta try it

[heady frost]

ive had knives pulled out on me but i live in a not very affluent part of england

[woeful bough]

where im at you can have a gun at 16

[heady frost]

and its about environment too, if you never get involved with bad shit, bad shit wouldnt really happen to you

[heady frost]

that is actually crazy to wrap my head around

we rarely see guns here, only time ive seen guns in person is some special police can have them

[woeful bough]

i think people my age dont realize the lethality of guns. which means they could easily just shoot people that make them angry

[nimble island]

On Halloween I saw a group of kids dressed as roadmen holding knives 😭

[woeful bough]

while you can run from a knife you cant run from a gun

unless there is a corner*

[heady frost]

average uk residents

[nimble island]

Zigzag strat goes hard

[heady frost]

i would be much more scared going into poor areas in america than i do here

just because of guns

we have had incidents of people running around with machetes and stuff but outside of sword combat, you dont see many guns and stuff

[woeful bough]

we were being tf2 characters for halloween and one of my red neck friends grandpa gave him a defective WW2 rocket launcher

[woeful bough]

they have a lot of permits and stuff to get them in the UK

but here you can probably just say "you got an AK?" and they'd give you a buy one get one discount

[heady frost]

yeah, there is a gun shop near where i live

it is possible to get a gun, just much harder

and you only see farmers and stuff having them, not kids trying to act hard

[nimble island]

Because knives are used for cooking and stuff but you can’t cut steak with a glock

[woeful bough]

watch me

[nimble island]

Oh shit

[heady frost]

my 13 year old cousin got caught stealing kitchen knives from my grandmas a while ago hahah

[woeful bough]

why

just why

[heady frost]

to go around acting like hes hard

[nimble island]

Should I be joking at a time like thiisss

[woeful bough]

joker

reference

haha funny

...

[nimble island]

Yeah that’s what that was

Not bo burnham

[woeful bough]

welome to the internet!

im adding that to my playlist now

i forgot it existed

bo burnham is modern weird al

[heady frost]

the effect for destroy triggered card should be fixed and actually work properly with other effects chained with it

[woeful bough]

hooray!

[heady frost]

just pushed the changes now, let me know if anyone still has issues and such

[woeful bough]

it works

idk if you could but it would be cool to add a preset of shaders to add to a joker like hologram

[heady frost]

good idea, i i will add it to the github issues

[woeful bough]

is this normally xnil?

NVM

i found the problem

[toxic aspen]

Holy over powered joker haha

[flat valve]

i am from t'north and this has not happened to me

[woeful bough]

it works with hanging chad

and retriggers

it destroys them after the hand is done

i made it common because i wanted to use it

[toxic aspen]

Deck fixing and permanent mult together makes for a very op joker

[woeful bough]

you found the OP. i was born in it.

[icy crow]

what does it mean for a card to be cored

[flat valve]

now that we have a sufficient sample size of 2 we can safely say the rate of knife crime in the uk is 50%

i think they mean scored

[woeful bough]

oops

best design?

[heady frost]

i am also from t'north

but i have been involved in some not so savoury activies in my teenage years

anyways, card sold and card bought triggers have been added woooo!

[woeful bough]

^mult?

[heady frost]

will get on it

[icy crow]

soon™

[heady frost]

does anybody know if smods does ^mult and stuff natively like it does xchips

wait

nvm

haha

[icy crow]

what's so funny

[woeful bough]

what rarity should this be?

[heady frost]

you could just do it yourself i imagine

smods might natively support it tho i will do some testing

[woeful bough]

i know cryptid has it but idk if it uses a native one or if its custom

[icy crow]

https://github.com/SpectralPack/Cryptid/blob/main/items/exotic.lua#L317 cryptid just returns Emult_mod but that may be after some overrides and stuff

[woeful bough]

Emult probably means exponetial mult i assume

which is techinically what ^mult is

[heady dock]

Thats been a thing for like so long when did you last update talisman 😭

[woeful bough]

2 weeks

[heady dock]

Oh huh

You mean cards shaking after the calculating screen right?

[woeful bough]

yea

[heady dock]

I thought that got taken out much longer ago

Are you downloading the latest release or the latest github commit

[woeful bough]

balatro mod manager idk

[heady dock]

Okay then wierd ig because i download it from the mod manager and i dont have the card shaking thing

[woeful bough]

there should be a "when this card is sold" one

like invis joker

[heady frost]

good point actually

^mult, ^chips, and ^dollars is kicking my ass for some reason i am going to modding dev haha

[woeful bough]

oh

good luck!

[heady frost]

with help from the nice people over at #💻・modding-dev, ^mult and ^chips has been added!

make sure you also have talisman installed for these effects tho

[woeful bough]

Hooray!

[heady frost]

if u find any issues with it, just ping me or add it to the github issues page

[woeful bough]

Okay

[pearl frost]

man this is cool af

[woeful bough]

Is it possible to do a "gains ^0.03 mult whenever XMULT is triggered"?

[heady frost]

probably not for a good while because that would require custom hooking some stuff i imagine, probably out of the scope for jokerforge for a while because that trigger would be mad to program in this way

[woeful bough]

Ok

[heady frost]

thank u 😼

[heady dock]

you can always just copy and paste exponentia from cryptid and modify the values

[heady frost]

added the "specific joker" condition to check if you own a specific joker! now you can create explicit synergies between jokers which is pretty great

let me know if you guys find any errors with it (you shouldnt, conditions are easy to implement 🤞 )

(also works with your own jokers, just be sure to prefix it with your prefix)

[outer axle]

this is awesome! Helps a lot since I don't know lua very much

[slate glen]

aw yes

[woeful bough]

Could I do "when a card is sold > [specific joker]>etc." to make a invisible-esc joker?

[wild pier]

any ideas for this joker

[nimble island]

After every round , gives a random predator

[young relic]

random chance to give you a tarot, planet, or spectral card (reference to the fact that these obby games randomly shove gamepasses into your face)

[nimble island]

How many updates will it take before I can bring polterworx back from the dead with my own hands

[young relic]

never

[lyric narwhal]

every time you buy an item there's a 1 in 3 chance for another item to appear in its place

[nimble island]

I miss it so much

I just had an idea for if someone wanted to create an evolving joker

Add the evolved version and the basic version and for the basic you can destroy self when something happens and create the evolved joker with a message that says something like “1 up”

[heady dock]

at the end of round, lose $10 and add polychrome to a random joker (microtransactions)

idk if thats possible with joker forge though

[young relic]

the losing money part is for some reason not possible (sadly)

[heady dock]

cant you just do add money and put in -10

[young relic]

sets back to 0

variables dont work either iirc

[heady frost]

i believe so yes, but when a card is sold also applies to consumables and stuff. i need to add "when this joker is sold" as a trigger to fully make holographic

[young relic]

i mean

ehhh

[heady frost]

do emojis even work haha

[heady dock]

the card creating effects should have a parameter for wether they require room or not

[young relic]

kinda unfortunate you cant have ^mult

[heady frost]

that is a good point, i remember that being brought up a while ago

[heady frost]

you can cant u

[heady dock]

didnt that like just get added though

[young relic]

what

[young relic]

O H

[heady frost]

i added it a few hours ago lol

[young relic]

had to refresh site to find it

neat

[heady dock]

can i just not put a version after dependencies to make it accept any version of the mod

[heady frost]

for smods? yeah, feel free to change it, its only like that because i have been developing with the latest smods version in mind lol

[young relic]

oh right i forgor uhh
feature to make jokers not buyable in shop (without needing legendary)

[heady dock]

i meant for other dependencies like talisman for exponential stuff

[heady frost]

oh yeah you could add that too, ideally it should probably auto-add that as a dependency as soon as it detects rules with effects that need it

[wild pier]

perfect one

[heady dock]

oh nvm i can just require the version that added the exponential stuff or higher

[wild pier]

okay thats just gonna be fucked up

[young relic]

so like make 50 different "cursed" jokers and make them all abysmal dogshit?

[icy crow]

Is it mentioned somewhere that you need to add the mod prefix

Because a few people here asked about that field

[heady dock]

im pretty sure it says that the mod prefix is added to all cards in the mod in the metadata tab

[heady frost]

true, i should add a message somewhere

but realistically, i think i just need to make some good docs

i was thinking about doing it with github like the wiki integrated to a github repo. and then the docs page can just interpret what is there and display it all nicely. similar to how the overview page dynamically gets the projects commits and checklist from the readme

[wild pier]

im making a toilet card that adds 0.5x mult each poker hand that contains flush in its mame

[heady frost]

and it can be simple docs too, doesnt have to be too long

[heady frost]

goated

[wild pier]

is there like a current mult thing you can put in the description of a joker

or no

OH THE VARIABLES

the toilet card is basically a copy of pocket aces

but adds x0.5 mult

every flush hand

[heady frost]

"when this card is sold" trigger added + some frontend validation stuff

now things like hologram is replicable (still need to add it to the page lol)

[flat valve]

is there a trigger for using a specific consumable

[heady dock]

how does this let hologram be recreated

[heady frost]

wait no

invisible joker

lmao

[heady dock]

and diet cola too

thats when sold

[wild pier]

can someone test this out for me

[heady frost]

no not yet, that will be a specific condition "if consumable is []"

exclusive to certain triggers like card sold, consumable used, etc

[flat valve]

also i would add a trigger for poker hand upgrades, which is a seperate thing from using planets (i.e. space/burnt joker, and modded jokers that retrigger them like crossaint)

[heady frost]

how easy is this, does smods give me a nice context to use lol

[flat valve]

unsure

but probably

there's a smods context for everything

[heady frost]

except when a card is modified

[wild pier]

can someone give me a idea for this

[flat valve]

yeah that really should have a context lol

[wild pier]

falala

[heady frost]

sets ante to -20

[wild pier]

why.

[heady frost]

i need to to add the set ante effect lol

[flat valve]

there should also probably be support for "When Shop is entered", which i know fs is context.starting_shop

[wild pier]

why do you hate falalas

[heady frost]

thats a good idea actually i wil add it to the checklist

[flat valve]

it's not in vanilla but i have a joker in my own mod that uses it so it would be nice to have

[heady frost]

what joker uses it

[wild pier]

yoglig

[flat valve]

patchwork

[heady frost]

oh shit custom edition too

i cant wait to get onto adding the ability for custom editions and consumables

will probably be less advanced than the joker stuff tho

i know literally nothing about making anything other than jokers in smods so far because thats all i have been doing lol

[heady dock]

i mean edition can just be a literal copy of the joker editor just without most of the triggers

and then just the code generation is different and the shaders stuff

[heady frost]

yeah thats what im thinking, as long as the code is similar too

[wild pier]

yoglig

[heady frost]

shaders will probably just be a very primitive selection of a couple of presets that you can change the values of

[flat valve]

the thing is with editions is that they either have to use vanilla shaders (if so, you need this in SMODS.Edition) or you have to make a custom GLSL shader which is like impossible

shader code fries my head so this one just uses voucher

[heady frost]

how many of them are they to choose from? when i get around to it, it will probably just be a list of vanilla shaders then

but all of this will be after all of the vanilla jokers are replicable. a lot of jokers like pareidolia and oops all sixes and that joker that combines suits needs basically special treatment

[flat valve]

iirc, dissolve (default for cards), foil, holographic (might be called holo internally i don't remember), polychrome, booster (also used for spectral), voucher, negative and negative_shine

[heady frost]

still quite a decent list, would be nice to have some custom shaders though

but i will burn that bridge when i get to it or whatever

[lapis mauve]

Btw, you should add a new type of blocks called “checks” or something, as in they check the amount of hands, hand size, cards played, etc etc

[flat valve]

you can ask other mod developers for their custom shader code maybe

[wild pier]

any ideas for this

[flat valve]

wouldn't those just be conditions

if it's possible on the back end it would be nice to just have operator blocks like scratch and you can compare game values that way

[young relic]

+2,000 chips

[heady frost]

yeah, thats the next big thing i need to implement, it will probably be a new panel similar to variables called 'game variables' or 'global variables' where you can access a bunch of game related stuff and use them in place of variables and stuff

[wild pier]

fuck yeah

[flat valve]

would probably make talisman compat trivial as well

[wild pier]

i’ll make it like adds 250 chips each card played

[heady frost]

i also need to add proper drag and drop functionality but drag and drop is notoriously difficult in web dev to get right

[lapis mauve]

yeah like that

and no they arent like conditions, conditions check for example "if hands = 2", not however many hands there are currently

like stencil

which checks for the amount of jokers

[icy crow]

Surely soon a trigger for detecting wheel of fortune failing will be added

[flat valve]

oh hey i did that one

[icy crow]

I added something similar but I didn't know about calculate_context so I made a variable

[lapis mauve]

also letting you know the rarity colors arent needed since they're just already there

theyre just these

[flat valve]

my fortune_fail also activates when wheel of misfortune goes off and when the fortune seal doesn't

[flat valve]

this is how i'd do it if i wanted it to apply retroactively

[heady dock]

probably could just be a listed chance succeeded/didnt succeed condition on a bunch of triggers

like using consumable or card scored

[slate glen]

probably best to call it something else or you’ll be hunted down

[nimble island]

I mean… Pen’s Palm and rack

[heady frost]

if I was to port stencil over to joker forge, no checks will be needed. you would just use xmult with a value of "joker slots remaining". "joker slots remaining" would be a default game variable in the new "game variables" menu. I might actually start adding it tonight if I have time

[icy crow]

docs are hard 🤕

[nimble island]

It would look cooler in game

[limpid robin]

How would i make a scaling joker where the way to scale it would be to have a specific joker?

Like x2 mult for every x joker you own

[heady dock]

no way to track that right now

[heady frost]

working on something to do something like that now

[blazing yarrow]

I haven't checked in a bit: does jokerforge have a way to change a card's suit and rank?

[heady frost]

will be implemented soon

[heady frost]

yes, edit triggered card

its exclusive to the card scored trigger tho

[limpid robin]

Dangit

[woeful bough]

Is there a way to lock a joker behind another like Cavendish or [after _rounds, sell this card to create ___]?

[heady frost]

no, but that will be implemented very shortly. you can currently have jokers that can be sold to make others after a certain amount of rounds, but currently there needs to be a way to remove jokers from the shop spawn pool without making them legendary

probably will get on that tomorrow, im currently implementing some really big changes to the code generation to enable jokers like stencil joker, fortune teller, and blue joker

[woeful bough]

Okay!

So like blocks that track what things have been used/how many

[limpid robin]

Hey, quick question, is there a "When this joker is obtained" Trigger?

[woeful bough]

You can probably mimic it. There is a "when a card is bought" and i think you can specify a specific joker

[heady frost]

yeah, it will be a new type of variable, really cool but it will take a few more hours before its ready to be used on the site haha

[heady frost]

kind of but it is broken, it is the passive trigger

[woeful bough]

After that what base game jokers can't be remade?

[heady frost]

the ones that require difficult effect files like pareidolia, seeing double

but then once those are done, none

this new system will whittle the list down to very few specific vanilla jokers that cant be remade

[woeful bough]

I haven't checked did you fix the "considered as" one?

[heady frost]

no, i havent returned back to that because it scares me haha. that effect should be exactly for pareidolia and seeing double lol

i cant think of any others off of the top of my head that have crazy effects like that for base game

[woeful bough]

brainstorm sitting in the corner

[heady dock]

isn't seeing double pretty simple to recreate, you could do something like blackboard but for scoring cards and have a variable for if a club card has been scored and one for if any other suit has been scored

[woeful bough]

If played hand contains [suit] and another one

[heady dock]

ig you have wild cards to worry about then tho

[woeful bough]

Smeared

[heady dock]

that too

[woeful bough]

It could be done right now

[heady frost]

bruh i meant smeared when ive been talking about seeing double

[woeful bough]

Oh

[heady dock]

........

[woeful bough]

Haha

[heady frost]

seeing double can be done right now i think lmao

[heady dock]

lmao

[woeful bough]

Yea

That's what I was about to say

How hard is brainstorm?

[heady dock]

though it wont be triggerable with 2 wild cards i think since it will always only activate the first rule and not the second

[heady frost]

i have not looked into that at all because i feared it would be hard lmao

[heady frost]

wild cards are classed as all suits so i think it might actually work (i think)

theres a lot more vanilla jokers that are replicable but i havent updated the list in a ltitle while

and theres some in the list that are broken or just straight up wrong too

[heady dock]

cant only one rule activate in each trigger at a time with how the current code generation is though?

[knotty pasture]

OMG thank you sooooooo much

[heady frost]

you can have two rules with the same trigger and it will generate the code to be conditionally

under the same context in the code it will generate two paths if you get me