Achilles Heel (Uncommon)

[obsidian willow]

Achilles Heel (Uncommon)
+2.5 mult per hand played
This card destroys itself if a random, unsaid hand is played (changes every hand played)

im awful at wording it but it basically destroys itself if a specific hand that changes every round is played but the player doesn't see what hand it is

feel free to suggest like changes to the mult gain or balancing because im Not Very Good at thinking this stuff through

[obsidian willow]

im Not sure if this is more. Balanced:
+1.5 mult instead of 2.5
secret hand changes every round instead of every hand

[amber forum]

Having a secret hand like that doesn't sound very fun at all and would be unnesseraily punishing. It'd be fine letting the player what hand is forbidden imo

[nocturne otter]

I think keeping it hidden is a cool idea, but instead of destroying it, it simply doesn't trigger the X2 mult

"2x mult. If played hand is a [Hidden], this Joker will not give mult until next round."

[obsidian willow]

this is a better idea than what I have

i think it should still be a little more impactful though

[nocturne otter]

I feel that 2x is the max mult it can give where the banned hand being hidden is fair

Since above it, it's basically just an RNG chance to get the hand you're playing and then die since you need that 3x mult or wtv

[obsidian willow]

i mean as in the punishment

[nocturne otter]

OHHH MYB

[obsidian willow]

sorry I wasn't clear 😭

disabling it for just the hand is like
your strategy won't generally bank on a X2 mult so it won't be too impactful
and what if you get it on your last hand

[nocturne otter]

Oh I meant for the round

Remove the 2x mult for the remainder of the current round, until a new hidden hand is assigned

[obsidian willow]

did I type hand

im actually dumb

i meant to type round 😞

[nocturne otter]

Two idiots walk into the bar and can't figure out what the joker idea is/j

[obsidian willow]

real

[obsidian willow]

i would think it should disable it untill the same blind in which it's disable is chosen again

so if it gets debuffed in a small blind, it gets undebuffed once the next small blind is chosen

[nocturne otter]

Hm.. interesting..

[obsidian willow]

or if it's skipped

[nocturne otter]

Thats definitely a neat idea, but I think that should be Economy or money instead of scoring

Losing scoring for an entire ante is almost as bad as just permanently losing the joker in most cases

[obsidian willow]

peak

how much money

$6 is my first thought

[nocturne otter]

OOO

I GOT AN IDEA

Wait.. hm.

I do have an idea for a joker

But my question here is- what's to stop us from just never playing a new han

New hand type*

[obsidian willow]

eventually it'll hit that hand type

[nocturne otter]

Sorry it's raining so typing is progressively getting buggier ans buggier for me LOL

[obsidian willow]

😭😭😭

[nocturne otter]

Waiting for the damn bus

[obsidian willow]

typing in the rain .... how fun

[nocturne otter]

Hey man I got to leave work early cuz it's my bday

I aint here to complain

[obsidian willow]

oh happy bday

[nocturne otter]

20 mins of rain is better than 4 hours of work LOL

[lofty crater]

ay my man happy bday

[lethal kindle]

Happy day of escape from the womb

[nocturne otter]

Thank y'a

[nocturne otter]

Icic

So maybe

Classified Documents, Uncommon
"Whenever a hand is played, earn 1$ per played and scored card. If played hand is [Hidden Hand], this debuffs itself for 3 rounds (inverse Pershiable, in a sense)"

[obsidian willow]

i think this would also count secret hand types but only if you can play that hand type or only if you already have played that hand that game

[obsidian willow]

peak alert

[nocturne otter]

Why per played and scored hand? So that way it isnt just strictly better To-Do list

Less strict in terms of earning any money, but also doesn't guarantee 4$

[nocturne otter]

Agreed, only if you've played that hand

Like how the secret planets and to-do list work :>

[nocturne otter]

Also would be cool if where it says [Hidden Hand] was blacked out until the hand was played, like declassifying a document

[obsidian willow]

that'd be sick

[nocturne otter]

As for the original idea here, Achilles Heel

Its hard to balance it

Since like I said above, scoring is much more essential to be consistent, so having a hidden variable to lose it makes it really hard to work around safely

Id rather if the hand was shown, but every hand played adds a NEW banned hand to the list (for the current round.. it resets at end of round)

[obsidian willow]

ooh that's smart

[nocturne otter]

But thst also doesn't fit the Achilles theme so idk

Its a really cool idea that I like, it's just hard to balance without changing it in a major way (as far as I see, I'd love to see more ideas)

[amber forum]

Obelisk's cousin

[obsidian willow]

ok maybe

[nocturne otter]

Obelisk is a cool joker

Its not for every run but god is it really fun

[obsidian willow]

it starts at X2 mult and instead of debuffing it it loses like -0.25x every time that hand is played

[nocturne otter]

I want more jokers that are not always good, but are fun when they are.. kinda like minigames!

[obsidian willow]

probably not 0.25
probably 0.2

[nocturne otter]

X3.5 mult. Permanently loses 0.5X mult if [Hidden Hand] is played. Hand changes every round"

Or X3 whichever is preferred

[obsidian willow]

X3

[lethal kindle]

+3 Mult for each hand played. If played hand is ||Secret Hand||, halve current +Mult instead. (Currently +0 Mult).

[nocturne otter]

That'd also work, though it should scale by 2

Just because of Gronker

[lethal kindle]

But this is Uncommon

[nocturne otter]

Losing half while bad, means you can play pr foolishly and still do amazing

Acc it changes every round so yeah

+3 is fair

Ignore meh

[obsidian willow]

this is also really cool

i do think it could get a little too good ... but my balancing sense is bad