Spiritual D8

[twilit wadi]

1/8 chance to create random spectral card when you reroll in shop

Spiritual D8

[mellow beacon]

Way too strong

[viral niche]

I could see it working if there was a cap on attempts to proc

[lapis gyro]

id change spectral to fill consumible slots with tarots

or smth similar

spectrals in hand usually require active effort from the player, this just requires luck, money or time

oh, what about, generate an arcana pack in shop?

or random pack

[mellow beacon]

Red Card is already strong enough lol

[lapis gyro]

that's such a niche and very little powerful synergy

[lapis gyro]

but no spectral pack

and no jumbo or mega

nah, if there is no spectral pack, jumbo or mega are fine

[patent sundial]

1 in 8 chance to create a random Standard, Arcana, Celestial, or Buffoon Pack when rerolling?

[dense pond]

Spend 5+$ for a chance to spend 4+$ to get +3 mult

[dense pond]

Tbh id just make it "rerolling has a 1/2 to stock a booster pack in shop (must have room, aka 2 max)

That way you have to spend way more money to roll down for spectrals

[patent sundial]

that also makes sense

[dense pond]

Power wise i think I like my idea, but it also veers far away from the D8 theming

[lapis gyro]

if it's a random pack (including spectrals) then i'd move It down to 1/4 or cap the max pack generated amount

[dense pond]

At a 1/8, and the fact you still need to open the pack, spectrals being disallowed feels bad

[lapis gyro]

D2 🔥

[dense pond]

Also i think the limit should be the natural booster limit, 2 at a time

It means you have to spend money on the packs or else rerolls aren't helping see more

[lapis gyro]

you can pr easily get a ton of packs with a 1/2 chance imo

[dense pond]

Yeah, but you still need to buy the packs in the shop each time

[lapis gyro]

a hermit can get u to see 2 more packs

[lapis gyro]

ur usually buying at least one pack

[dense pond]

Yup, but diminishing returns seems fairer

Idk, i just think allowing spectrals, assuming their at the regular pack rates, just isn't an issue

[lapis gyro]

maybe 1/4 for a free pack

1/2 seems like too many packs

[dense pond]

you still need to spend 4-8$ per pack on top of rerolls to see more, and in non-endless that just isn't that bad

[dense pond]

I genuinely feel like that's just a worse idea, free packs are good but at 1/4 the ROI is just awful (5 + 6 + 7 + 8 is 26$ which is not good.)

[lapis gyro]

hmm

[dense pond]

Maybe 1/3 with none appearing if you alr have 2 packs in shop?

[dense pond]

You on average need to spend 10-20$ to see a full shops worth of boosters

[lapis gyro]

yeah, pack max was taken in mind

[dense pond]

Yeah okok, fair, I'm assuming the same then

[lapis gyro]

1/3 for a free pack?

[dense pond]

I feel like free packs at that rate would just be better than 1/2

[lapis gyro]

packs are very valuable, specially in endless, so i'd rather compensate with money than with amount of packs

[dense pond]

In endless maybe not, but in regular play almost definitely

[lapis gyro]

1/4 for a free pack then?

since rerolling was alr smth you would do normally, you aren't spending the money for the packs

ok, so what if we take the d8 concept back, with a 1/8 of a free mega or jumbo pack?

[dense pond]

I just dunno about making packs harder to find, at a certain point it just feels unworthwhile for a slot, 1/4 and free is the closest to balanced i think

[lapis gyro]

ok

[dense pond]

I just don't think it'd be very fun without oa6 if that makes sense

[lapis gyro]

true, low chance stuff is always frustrating

could always turn It into smth like "generate a random free pack every X rerolls"