while it is not prime by the mathematical definition, the person who said that most people think it is, is correct, because most people do not know the precise wording or reasoning for the definition.
#Rofflatro, the Roffle Mod (BETA) - looking for testers!
scarlet horizon
quasi dagger
sure but its not prime so no
scarlet horizon
but 11 is, and Aces score as 11 in Balatro
nocturne hare
aces are jointly considered ones and eleven in balatro
scarlet horizon
really funny idea - make them count but not when you do an A-5 straight
nocturne hare
that would conflict with a lot of other mods
nocturne hare
i don't want to patch ion anything related to ranks
quasi dagger
you wouldnt have to
nocturne hare
also no, i have to count four fingers and shortcut
i mean i am not giving aces more power anyway? seems bad for balance reasons
thanks for the primes is meant to work with hack or sevens suck
scarlet horizon
also no, i have to count four fingers and shortcut
okay, fair, but do you call that an "ace-low" straight?
quasi dagger
oh yeah no i wasnt saying i think its a good idea i was just saying
nocturne hare
okay, fair, but do you call that an "ace-low" straight?
is it obvious to count "A 3 5 7" an ace low straight? yes imo
the ace is acting as a 1 and it is a straight
but this is annoying af to check
scarlet horizon
oh, wait, yeah
nocturne hare
also aces are more obviously 1s
it has just the one symbol
¯_(ツ)_/¯
if i put A, 2, 3, 5, 7 more people would ask why aces
scarlet horizon
And like, what happens if players are using the mod that does the wraparound straights thing
nocturne hare
cry
that's why i don't mess with ranks period
there are too many other mods that break each other due to straights, and frankly i don't need rofflatro to join them
scarlet horizon
I was mostly saying it as a joke because 11 is prime but not 1
speaking of primes tho, do you get it to work with modded ranks that are prime? I'd use 13 as an example but vanilla 13 is King so I guess you can't just do a mathematical "is rank prime?" function
looking at https://github.com/Steamodded/smods/wiki/SMODS.Rank-and-SMODS.Suit you might be able to perform the prime-check function on the nominal attribute
nocturne hare
looking at https://github.com/Steamodded/smods/wiki/SMODS.Rank-and-SMODS.Suit yo...
risky
pov my "ajdfkh" rank that scores 13 chips counts as a prime number ...
supple yew
worth considering for sure
reminds me of that one candy joker from cryptid but less broken
jawbreaker i think it was
supple yew
somehow the type A joker was the one that didn't show up once the whole stream 😭
meanwhile main channel pops up like 6 times in the giga run
praying to see the debut of wojak jimbo whenever he plays it next
nocturne hare
somehow the type A joker was the one that didn't show up once the whole stream �...
it's common no? and he did play on streamer deck for one run
supple yew
it's rare
also i got another idea for balancing main channel - maybe when it triggers once any blueprints pointing to it get destroyed
and if a blueprint pops then main channel dies with it
autumn swan
Ehh
I think the BP/bs should die when they trigger
That seems a little over complicated
quasi dagger
if you want it even slightly "balanced" it shouldn't be blueprint compat at all imo
autumn swan
Well streamer man thinks it's funny
quasi dagger
it's funny yes
autumn swan
But thinks the thing should die when it copies
knotty quarry
I seem to be having trouble getting the game to load with the mod... I have the lovely injector, steammodded (newest, 509c) and the rofflatro mod. It gives this error when booting.
Fresh download does the same
abstract crown
I also have the same error
autumn swan
I'm investigating
I'm on my phone so its going to be a minute
By all accounts it should work
supple yew
yeah somewhere along the line we updated something and loading some joker files tries to call a nil value?
it's weird
i'm also onm it
abstract crown
Thanks guys
supple yew
i commented out black shirt in the joker list and it works
there's an issue with black shirt somewhere
frail schooner
perkeo hex and ankh
supple yew
how the fuck did this happen 
autumn swan
What am I looking at here
supple yew
message = message = message = message = message = message = message = message = message
autumn swan
Lmao
nocturne hare
<@706083462750404658> you doofus
oops
wait...
okay this is proof i shouldnt be coding at like 2 am
autumn swan
And I thought voucher clear was bad
nocturne hare
LOL
autumn swan
(it is)
nocturne hare
average canicao bug
autumn swan
Balatro mod jank
nocturne hare
pov when you code an entire 15 jokers without crashing and then message = message =
autumn swan
If you aren't crashing the game you aren't doing it right
nocturne hare
trueee
autumn swan
looking at you Talisman
knotty quarry
Here I was thinking I had done something wrong
nocturne hare
sori 👉👈
autumn swan
Don't be
At least you aren't the guy who forgot to make main channel incompatible with bp
knotty quarry
Please tell me that isn't fixed yet
autumn swan
She should be banned from making mods
nocturne hare
At least you aren't the guy who forgot to make main channel incompatible with bp
well yeah that person's a gal
knotty quarry
I have dreams
autumn swan
Please tell me that isn't fixed yet
We aren't fixing it, just making the BP kill itself when it triggers
nocturne hare
die!!!
autumn swan
Sorta like selling a BP on cola
knotty quarry
So if the BP copy triggers, BP dies? Fair
nocturne hare
personally main channel is either absolutely busted or unusable
no in between
(this is what twitch chat thinks)
supple yew
i think even with mediocre jokers it can be a decent pickup
nocturne hare
i mean at least it wasnt as busted as the first time i ran with it lol
autumn swan
Yeah
nocturne hare
waow instant naninf
supple yew
if that first version saw the light of day...
autumn swan
I think it requires specific circumstances to be that good
supple yew
like an insane seed that gives you 6 of them
autumn swan
if that first version saw the light of day...
Holy hell
supple yew
seriously how
nocturne hare
it just means i got the first main channel naninf 😎
autumn swan
On higher stakes it might not be viable to wait for it to trigger
nocturne hare
yeah that's also my playtesting opinion
autumn swan
But it's incredibly rewarding when it does
nocturne hare
then again i am just One person
supple yew
wait food u were working on the main channel bp fix right
think i have an idea on how to do it somewhat easily
nocturne hare
btw lucky cat ears has a pr but i dont have the art for it so its incomplete
nocturne hare
i thinks its just in a seperate branch
i havent actually sent a pr to main yet because . incomplete
the art assets that is
supple yew
i do have the asset
nocturne hare
ye
supple yew
the updated atlas is in the alex-joker-playground branch
we could just merge it there
nocturne hare
tbh i sort of assumed we were balancing around ante 8 AND endless when we were working on this
i didnt actually clarify with you
i think we did well in both though
nocturne hare
we could just merge it there
sgtm
supple yew
tbh i sort of assumed we were balancing around ante 8 AND endless when we were w...
yeah i think this is a good idea, i was thinking mainly vanilla balance (so ante 8) but it's good to have more endless options since that's one thing roff has said he would like to see in the game
nocturne hare
yee
supple yew
alright the cat has been merged into the joker playground branch
by the way you did the message = message = thing again 😭
oh it's beautiful
thought i might as well whip up a quick challenge for it
frail schooner
thought i might as well whip up a quick challenge for it
make the pants not eternal, as removing the pants would add to the fashion disaster
supple yew
you're a genius
knotty quarry
Pants do not spawn again
supple yew
wait is it possible to have a joker in both the starting deck and banned cards
knotty quarry
I dunno
supple yew
anotha one for good measure
terse knot
anotha one for good measure
You can never have too many negatives
vast talon
"What Would Doc Do" crashes my game after beating a blind
supple yew
could you send the crash message?
vast talon
supple yew
just looking at the error message this sounds like some kind of incompatibility with talisman or another mod
the line it points at checks the money you have and the current interest cap
apparently the interest cap is stored as a table?
autumn swan
just looking at the error message this sounds like some kind of incompatibility ...
Can we force incompat with Talisman
Like in the manifest file
supple yew
LOL
perfect
i mean idk the focus of this mod is vanilla but it's fine if people wanna use it with other mods
just gotta keep in mind
there's gonna be issues like this
autumn swan
Wonder if there's a way to display a message in game to let the user know
supple yew
probably but that's beyond my capabilities as a programmer lmao
autumn swan
How do we do talisman compat
supple yew
i think there was a quick and easy way using a dummy func
like this
can't promise much but at worst it'll do nothing
so it's worth a shot
autumn swan
Better then nothing
supple yew
also worth mentioning we got a whole row of new jokers lined up now
supple yew
all good im kinda speedrunning over here lmao
nocturne hare
by the way you did the message = message = thing again 😭
classic
vast talon
hi back again
black shirt can't be copied via blueprint (and brainstorm probably too)
is that intended?
supple yew
weird, it should be compatible
autumn swan
@supple yew so im looking into main channel and it looks like main channel does die when a bp or brainstorm triggers it
it has to do with the way that bp works
basically it takes the joker its copying then runs its calc
it then returns the return of the joker
so because a sucessful calc kills the main channel it dies
Idk how you want to handle this
because ik how to fix it dying
but idk how to make the bp die
autumn swan
@supple yew ive made it so bluprint or brainstorm die when they copy main channel
i think the way i did it was cool
Basically I replaced the death event card with _card and th8set it equals to card at the same time shrimp special is calculated
Then if it's a blueprint card _card gets set to the blueprint card
The destroy function will then destroy whatever _card is
buoyant prairie
Just finished watching his VOD of him playing through this mod. I just wanna sau yall did an excellent job. I love the artwork and inside jokes. I'll be downloading this rn.
autumn swan
Just finished watching his VOD of him playing through this mod. I just wanna sau...
Thanks, I'm glad we here in the coding basement of the balatro discord could bring you joy. If you have any suggestions please let us know
@supple yew pr made
next is to fix voucher clear
i think i have a way to do it
but i need to look into how the game choses vouchers
itll likly need a lovley patch
nocturne hare
weird, it should be compatible
ill fix this later
autumn swan
ill fix this later
Do you know what's wrong?
quartz lance
@supple yew I have an idea for the nerf to main channel joker, mostly for crashing purposes
I think it shouldn't work on retriggers
sock and hack for example have an underlying number that represents how many times they retrigger and even though it's not shown it is affected
balatro numbers are kinda weird
i also noticed that rough gem DOESN'T work with it
even though it clearly has a number
nocturne hare
i also noticed that rough gem DOESN'T work with it
this is just the sadness of LocalThunk'd code
nocturne hare
insane nerf
looks inside. from 7 dollars. to 9.
crazy idea
(no but like chad is 4 and photo is 5. idk why it wasnt at 9 in the first place)
autumn swan
I don't want to make it to confusing what it does and does not work on
If the joker has a value it should be compatible
Rough gem is unintentional
I'll have to look at that tonight
autumn swan
sock and hack for example have an underlying number that represents how many tim...
Wait what
God damn it
Yaaaayyyyyy more shit to add to the exclude list
nocturne hare
retriggers are exponential ye
autumn swan
Thing is I don't really think it's all that bad in terms of balance
Especially after the BP interaction rework
nocturne hare
do i need to get another naninf
to convince you retriggers is actually really bad to scale ...
autumn swan
I think just Chad is fine
nocturne hare
oh its just chad?
autumn swan
Dusk and sock were unintentionally effected
nocturne hare
oh yeah all the other retriggers have no numbers
autumn swan
oh its just chad?
It should be
Well I think what he meant was that dusk and sock are effected
Because in the code they use a value in their ability table
nocturne hare
yeah rough gem doesn't
autumn swan
But the fix is as simple as adding their keys to the extra exclude list
Wiat
It looks like I put rough gem in the exclude list on purpose
local exclude_extra = {"Canio","Castle","Constellation","Flash Card","Glass Joker","Hiker","Hologram","Lucky Cat","Obelisk","Red Card","Ride the Bus","Runner","Square Joker","Spare Trousers","Vampire","Wee Joker","Yorick","Invisible Joker","Madness","Popcorn","Rough Gem",}
If you want to you can add sock and dusk to this list in main channel and then test it
Otherwise it's not getting done until I get home lol
nocturne hare
```lua
local exclude_extra = {"Canio","Castle","Constellation","Flash Card","Gla...
banning scaling flat mult/chips is really funny
why is popcorn here and not ice cream
why is there random popcorn hate
popcorn is the least concerning joker to scale
autumn swan
How is ice creams description worded
supple yew
poopcorn
autumn swan
I may or may not have been skimming the English loc file for keywords
supple yew
okay so ban retrigger scaling except for chad because it specifically has a number in its description that can be scaled
autumn swan
Yuh
That's more consistent with the whole "reading the joker explains the joker" idea
nocturne hare
How is ice creams description worded
+100 Chips
-5 Chips for every hand played??
nocturne hare
same as popcorn
supple yew
also do wanna round the value down when it comes to retriggers so that we don't get those 4.5 retrigger shenanigans
autumn swan
I Ctrl f for per
supple yew
oopsies
autumn swan
same as popcorn
Popcorn uses per not for
autumn swan
I did that because I was being lazy and most of the game uses the word per for scaling jokers
nocturne hare
icecream and popcorn are NOT scaling
autumn swan
And I assumed (like a fool) that the entire game used the same language
nocturne hare
they literally only lose number s...
supple yew
they're kinda like de-scalers if you think about it
similar idea just subtracting instead of adding
nocturne hare
opposite of scaling
autumn swan
Whatever
supple yew
dividers
autumn swan
Point is
supple yew
i mean i still feel like it's a similar concept
autumn swan
Yeah
supple yew
anyway so right now the poopoocorn gets more mult but the decrease factor stays the same right
if so that's reasonable methinks
autumn swan
anyway so right now the poopoocorn gets more mult but the decrease factor stays ...
Ues
It basically extends the lifespan
supple yew
same should go for icecream probably
autumn swan
Yeah
nocturne hare
and ramen and bean and
nocturne hare
...seltzer?
supple yew
i think originally the idea was to have ramen actually decrease faster but for the sake of consistency we might just scale up the xmult and leave it there
seltzer also gets its lifespan extended
nocturne hare
can we blacklist egg
supple yew
i think roffle actually did it in his giga run
autumn swan
can we blacklist egg
I thought about it
supple yew
egg would be so funny tho
nocturne hare
my balance heart 💔
autumn swan
I thought of a giga egg was too tempting
supple yew
god it's so hard to keep the mod balanced while providing entertainment value
we might have to promote main channel to legendary at this rate LOL
autumn swan
But the balence comes in the idea that you need to find and hold it without dying
nocturne hare
ig egg is like the least useful thing to waste a proc on
supple yew
it's just kinda funny big money stonks
autumn swan
ig egg is like the least useful thing to waste a proc on
Unless you have swash
autumn swan
it's just kinda funny big money stonks
Exactly
nocturne hare
swash egg is so bad for endless
autumn swan
Giga egg
supple yew
linear scaling falls behind the blind scaling so fast
supple yew
also gift card
THANK YOU
gift card is literally better egg and i will die on this hill
egg is funnier tho
nocturne hare
is gift card blacklisted again
supple yew
no idea
nocturne hare
gift card is literally better egg and i will die on this hill
why do you think its uncommon
supple yew
i friggin love gift card
nocturne hare
the hill you're dying on seems more like a mild wheelchair ramp incline
supple yew
LOL
listen i see so many noobs talking about the swash egg combo and im like ts pmo bruh
autumn swan
is gift card blacklisted again
No
supple yew
gift card is RIGHT THERE
autumn swan
listen i see so many noobs talking about the swash egg combo and im like ts pmo ...
But it's funny
nocturne hare
the noobs also think negative tags are good and end up getting a blacklight-shiny gelato
supple yew
i can understand the comedic value in it
supple yew
the noobs also think negative tags are good and end up getting a blacklight-shin...
yummers
nocturne hare
horrible mod idea
supple yew
eternal rental egg my goat
nocturne hare
getting an editioned food joker spoils the joker and makes it inedible
this changes effects of the joker
supple yew
do they become unable to die
nocturne hare
probably
supple yew
amazing
10/10
wait i need to know something
what would happen to an eternal food joker
time to go into the lab
autumn swan
what would happen to an eternal food joker
It would do nothing
nocturne hare
i dont think eternal food jokerd exist
autumn swan
They don't actually die iirc
nocturne hare
no they do
supple yew
not normally but i can probably be debugged in
autumn swan
Also main channel can kill eternal bp
nocturne hare
i did it as a challenge once
the eternal good jokers still die
the destruction doesnt check for eternal
because why would it need to
supple yew
that tracks
nocturne hare
i have a challenge bssed around this where you start with every eternal food joker and must rush to destroy all of them before you die ante 3
autumn swan
okay just tested it on a michael and it grossed off immediately
Banana noooo
nocturne hare
i have a challenge bssed around this where you start with every eternal food jok...
also diet cola rots in your joker slots in this challenge
its funny
autumn swan
I like how I get a choice in game balence even though my first mod for this game was basically number get bigger because it's funny
nocturne hare
Alright gamers, today we are trying out this limited edition "Polychrome" Diet Cola, produced by Local Thunk Manufacturing. I will be rating it compated to our tier list of exotic sodas, as usual.
sip
oh im gay now
That's all folks!
supple yew
Hey folks, today we're back with more gay Balatro
In this run, an early Blueprint and Brainstorm combo led to quality yuri, which really helped my economy as I sold it to my viewers. I then proceeded to buy a mansion on the hills. Enjoy the video.
nocturne hare
would it be funny if we added that enby that always comments on balatro videos as a joker
nocturne hare
uhhh no
the one i always see on doc's videos but they comment a lot on roffle's videos too
autumn swan
In this run, an early Blueprint and Brainstorm combo led to quality yuri, which ...
Balatro Yuri mentioned
supple yew
dunno if i've ever seen their comments but i'll take your word for it
would be a cool idea if we can come up with an interesting mechanic along with it
like iunno copy a random joker from your collection every round or sumn
that sounds bad actually nevermind
nocturne hare
Youtube Engagement
supple yew
it would be funny
nocturne hare
doc shouted them out once iirc
supple yew
hooly theyre famous
nocturne hare
maybe it be something about engaging with other mechanics
supple yew
hmm
like the most obvious idea is doing a bp effect but that's boring
unless its like just get chips where it copìes a specific effect in all your jokers
maybe it copies money effects or smth
nocturne hare
or like maybe "Creates a Spectral if 0 hands, discards, and consumables"
supple yew
oo that could be cool
nocturne hare
idea is that you must use everything
supple yew
strategic
nocturne hare
make it eternal spectral to make it common level LMAO
"oh no . i just made an eternal hex"
supple yew
LOL WHAT
supple yew
indeed we do
nocturne hare
but i don't think this effect is good with tarots ...
nocturne hare
idk how to feel about the enby being an emperor /j
the famous in between of The Emperor and The Empress. the Em.... by
supple yew
Empal
nocturne hare
but yeah maybe just spectrals and this is an uncommon
well it's better than seance
by a lot
supple yew
went back and downgraded this one
supple yew
well it's better than seance
seance is borderline useless
nocturne hare
but seance... uh ...
supple yew
LOL
supple yew
went back and downgraded this one
my logic is unless you spam high card this runs out super fast
nocturne hare
we should make our first conditional joker
you know how some jokers require you to have like. the enhancement in your deck
supple yew
ohh shit right
wait shouldn't money shots and cat food work like that with lucky cards
we should implement that probably
nocturne hare
yeah that's a good idea
what if
joker that spawns only if you have created a spectral from seance 💀
supple yew
oh god LOL
nocturne hare
roffle famously hates seance
nocturne hare
call that an Excommunication
make it like gros michel
literally removing seance from your pool
supple yew
so if you own it then seance can't spawn?
nocturne hare
yeah
supple yew
ah of course duh!
nocturne hare
obviously
nocturne hare
i mean roffle likes ghost deck right
supple yew
indeed
nocturne hare
should it be liike rare or
i mean cavendish is common
i think for consistency it should be uncommon
supple yew
makes sense
nocturne hare
i mean roffle likes ghost deck right
so maybe it scales when spectral used or sold
for ultimate ghost deck cursedness
nocturne hare
make it funnier
it makes held spectrals negative
we're coming for you perkeo observatory
nocturne hare
it's everything you could ever wish for
locked behind crappy seance straight flush
supple yew
fluah?...
nocturne hare
ghostbuster reference
human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together, MASS HYSTERIA!
supple yew
also uh this one was like near impossible to implement wasn't it
should we try and rework it or
nocturne hare
it requires a lovely patch that may or may not have to break other mods
nocturne hare
we can make this a common we just have to make it so it converts diamonds into a different suit after scoring
oh nooooo my diamonds.
nocturne hare
+$0.10 because we can steal from rough gem
supple yew
that would be hilarious but decimal money is kinda cryptid-esque
maybe it's like earn a dollar for every 5 diamonds converted
supple yew
oh boy
nocturne hare
that's a bit op for common though
supple yew
that would be really fun actually
def not common but it sounds genuinely cool
would kinda mess with the interest cap vouchers tho
nocturne hare
i mean... first reason ever to perkeo The Star
supple yew
dude hell yeah
nocturne hare
i think this mod us still mod compat ok
just not exactly for main chnanel
but thats the exception not the rule yknow
supple yew
mostly, DVD is also a bit iffy
because it's a kind of invasive patch
and only takes into account vanilla and rofflatro probability effects
supple yew
thing is i wouldn't know how else to do it
nocturne hare
i think dvd is a really weird effect
nocturne hare
we should have made dvd misprint oops
supple yew
LOL
chips misprint sounds like hell
i already despise misprint for the huge variance
nocturne hare
ive always felt like
the cryptid glitched edition was the biggest crime to balala modding
because now you gotta ensure that your mod doesn't hard crash some fool playing misprint deck
supple yew
LMAO
nocturne hare
misprint jokers are funny but i think it should've been its own mod
supple yew
i kinda love misprint deck tho
it's absolutely hilarious
and honestly if you're gonna boot up cryptid with a buncha other mods and play on misprint deck then complain when shit breaks that's a you problem
like cmon whatdya expect LOL
nocturne hare
i mean cryptid and talisman . are so often played
and they're so damn annoying to edit for
supple yew
talisman, my greatest foe
nocturne hare
they're upgrading balala to run on luajit2 just for talisman complaints
because table comparisons are kinda cursed in balatro's lua
though one idea i had for crossmod compat is that you can detect the amount of jokers in the collection
if its ever above your mod's count + 150 you can change your jokers to work differently
supple yew
hmmm
nocturne hare
i might do this for dvd
supple yew
maybe that would be a good way to make dvd less hardcoded
yeah
you can look thru the extra jokers and check for probabilities
then i guess inject the custom context checkç
nocturne hare
i mean it's impossible to figure out if something "suceeds"
maybe they're just using it to change loc txt
nocturne hare
and like we can't code in omnipotence. otherwise we wouldn't be modding balala
supple yew
maybe also scan the ability table
nocturne hare
cursed ...
supple yew
i know 😭
nocturne hare
brb setting up llm
supple yew
LOL
nocturne hare
low end computers can run 12K cores right
supple yew
like i used to write down 'odds' instead of 'probability' whenever i did probability effects so like
nocturne hare
okay maybe the misprint oops is a funny idea
supple yew
maybe
nocturne hare
-1 to +3
supple yew
i feel like i should be banned from doing lovely patches LMAO
nocturne hare
because screw you . 0 in 4 chance to create a tarot
supple yew
classic 8ball
nocturne hare
lovely patches ...
tbh i feel like
do you really need a mechanic where you have to patch
because if you have to patch that's a slight sign that what you're doing is either way out of your league or really really not vanilla
lmfao
supple yew
idk i felt like dvd could be a vanilla type effect when i made it
nocturne hare
when i first saw dvd and main channel i thought they were really not vanilla
because vanilla doesn't really have anything that's so... unbalanceable?
supple yew
main channel is definitely out there
nocturne hare
like dvd is at the mercy of a lot of random stuff
supple yew
but dvd is just an okay chip scaler that becomes great when paired with enough lucky cards
i mean probability effects are random, more at 11
frail schooner
but idk how to make the bp die
try if context.blueprint then context.blueprint_card:start_dissolve() else card:start_dissolve() end
nocturne hare
but dvd is just an okay chip scaler that becomes great when paired with enough l...
see i feel as if vanilla would just do "scales if lucky cards fail"
supple yew
that could be fine
not sure how i feel about yet another joker relying on lucky cards exclusively but to be fair it kinda already synergises with lucky cards the best
nocturne hare
lucky cat and cat food and hermit and
supple yew
money shots*
nocturne hare
money shots ..
supple yew
🤤
frail schooner
bankshots
nocturne hare
lucky cat, cat food, money shots, dvd, oops
frail schooner
i fucking love lucky cards
nocturne hare
Achievement Get!
I'm Feeling Lucky
supple yew
new challenge just unlocked
autumn swan
try `if context.blueprint then context.blueprint_card:start_dissolve() else card...
I already got it
nocturne hare
oh hm idea
autumn swan
I think my solution was quite good
nocturne hare
maybe they can appear in the shop at different amount of lucky cards in deck
supple yew
the gross-off code if you will
autumn swan
I had to do it without just pasting the code twice
now it just kills whatever _card is set too
Which should be main channel
nocturne hare
should i start coding Engagement, Excommunication, and Draw the Diamonds again
supple yew
should i start coding Engagement, Excommunication, and Draw the Diamonds again
go for it
autumn swan
Idk what jokers to work on next
nocturne hare
increasing the amount of seconds my name appears on roffle's stream
autumn swan
I've mostly been fixing the current ones
Like main channel and voucher clear
Voucher clear is the bane of my sad existence
I'll probably have to implement a block list for vouchers
But I need to figure out how this game picks vouchers
nocturne hare
I'll probably have to implement a block list for vouchers
ROFF.blockedvouchers = {
{id = 'v_magic_trick'}
}
autumn swan
ROFF.blockedvouchers = {
{id = 'v_magic_trick'}
}
Right but I'll have to patch the game to take it into consideration
Also I'd have to put it in G otherwise it will reset when the game is closed
Because right now the game just has used_vouchers
nocturne hare
can't think of a flavor text for the second one
wait exco wasn't what i thought it was going to be
now uh ... making a joker basically seance straight flush and ghost deck locked seems like a bad idea
thats why i wanted to do xmult spectral use scaling
nocturne hare
now uh ... making a joker basically seance straight flush and ghost deck locked ...
(you arent guaranteed to get observatory)
supple yew
o right my bad i mustve misunderstood lmao
autumn swan
btw
https://balatromods.miraheze.org/wiki/Rofflatro
I added some of the other authors to this
supple yew
can i help
all help is welcome btw!
autumn swan
Yeah just let us know what you're doing so we don't try to do it too
supple yew
oh i forgot to say earlier i think i wanna work on the art for those fav card vouchers
autumn swan
Wait do we finally have a not trans person working on this/s
autumn swan
I'll fix voucher and then start working on new jokers
supple yew
fya
autumn swan
Unless you need me to touch anything on main channel
supple yew
i think it's fine for now, we can keep tweaking it over time
autumn swan
We need an R joker
Like just an R
Wait do we know what he did before he was a streamer
ocean silo
Yeah just let us know what you're doing so we don't try to do it too
I can do art, and the wiki
supple yew
probably just did normal people stuff before that
ocean silo
art
autumn swan
probably just did normal people stuff before that
Should I ask him?
supple yew
i mean if you want to
ocean silo
should you?
supple yew
feels a bit personal?
autumn swan
I'll see if I can get his attention on stream
ocean silo
sry, what is?
autumn swan
feels a bit personal?
Idk I feel like it's a common question for YouTubers
autumn swan
Sometimes they're like engineers and shit
supple yew
true
ocean silo
not great, but ok
ocean silo
great stuff
nvm then, it is great and not ok
autumn swan
Mine is so ass lol
ocean silo
thx
autumn swan
Yours is better then what I do lol
ocean silo
litterally my motiv
supple yew
Mine is so ass lol
dont say that bruh 😭
autumn swan
dont say that bruh 😭
It's trueeee
supple yew
banhammer, thumbnail, o7, crashout, all legendary
ocean silo
is that waht i should do?
autumn swan
Just wait
ocean silo
Im not a regular roffle viewer
ocean silo
ok
autumn swan
I'll let you know if I need any art
Your biggest help will be the wiki
Rn at least
ocean silo
ill do all of the art in case any need a replacement when someone leaves
ocean silo
ill do all of the art in case any need a replacement when someone leaves
(hopefully)
quartz lance
Thing is I don't really think it's all that bad in terms of balance
It’s not because of balance
It’s because of crashing
although im just having fun playing the mod in sandbox
they hotfixed it?
out of the mod?
lmao
my new goal is to see how big i can get a chad before it doesnt score
animations turned off
supple yew
kali got us covered on the wiki front https://balatromods.miraheze.org/wiki/Rofflatro
autumn swan
It’s not because of balance
Wdm crashing
quartz lance
Wdm crashing
nah i was just messing around
autumn swan
Ah
quartz lance
im doing a sandbox run i have 100 joker slots
autumn swan
Please don't say crashing unless it's actually crashing lol
quartz lance
tends to crash when your first card is retrigerred 8e8 times
quartz lance
yea lmao
autumn swan
Also out of all the tags to have after your discord username
autumn swan
autumn swan
It's still wierd
supple yew
wee bit
celest hamlet
Should be "Just Get Chips 5head"
potent saddle
I love the DVD so much more than I should on plasma lol
Just got the mime next shop too.
nocturne hare
ill finish the wiki
Rofflatro has no planned consumables (personally i think this is a good idea)
supple yew
do wanna get that favcard voucher tho i think it's a neat idea
autumn swan
voucher clear is so cooked
nocturne hare
do wanna get that favcard voucher tho i think it's a neat idea
vouchers are greta
they're like jokers that don't take up any slots
autumn swan
They're great
Untill you're messing with their code
I know too much about this game
nocturne hare
we should make spectral vouchers
autumn swan
Are spectrals like tarots but crazy
nocturne hare
spectrals aren't that great tbh
i mean they're all amazing early but otherwise they're more of a nuisance
the seals and immolate are the only ones you can use almost 100% of the time
autumn swan
Yeah
supple yew
grimbo still subtracts a dollar per discarded card apparently
nocturne hare
i just submitted all my playtest pricing notes apparently i didnt see that
supple yew
oa
autumn swan
Yeah apparently I'm an idiot and context.discard is per card
I can look into it later when I get home
scarlet horizon
you want context.pre_discard
if context.pre_discard and context.cardarea == G.jokers and not context.blueprint then```
west frigate
add and not context.hook if you don't want The Hook to trigger the effect prematurely
it doesn't work for context.discard tho
💀
Thunk moment
supple yew
i think it would make sense for it to still trigger with the hook since green joker works that way
autumn swan
i think it would make sense for it to still trigger with the hook since green jo...
pr made
autumn swan
Pvp with the Roffel mod
supple yew
holy peak
autumn swan
We could hop on one of Roffels vcs in his server
supple yew
sounds like a plan LUL
esp now that i've made a grave mistake and decided to take on streamer man 1v1
autumn swan
esp now that i've made a grave mistake and decided to take on streamer man 1v1
O:
When
supple yew
im 3rd in line
supple yew
i'm decent at regular balatro but haven't played multiplayer once in my life so this will be fun
autumn swan
Lmao
autumn swan
I hate reddit
Like I'm pretty sure these people have no idea how this fucking game works
Unless I'm crazy
nocturne hare
https://www.reddit.com/r/balatro/s/m3Q5fgJ6dP
i mean this joker sounds like a bad idea in general
autumn swan
Well yeah
nocturne hare
theoretically it should be fine with calculate_effect but it would be a lot of nonsense
autumn swan
I'm just more annoyed by people insisting that they know the game
nocturne hare
sounds like a fun challenge though
autumn swan
Even though I was literally looking at that code the other day
autumn swan
theoretically it should be fine with calculate_effect but it would be a lot of n...
Is this like some way to call a specific joker effect or something
nocturne hare
you can store a bunch of sample jokers and run calculate_effect on a random one
but there's probably easier ways with patching
i don't think you can call a specific joker effect though
i can check smods code later
autumn swan
That's what I thought
gentle basin
https://www.reddit.com/r/balatro/s/m3Q5fgJ6dP
autumn swan
It was supposed to say that the change never was actually made
nocturne hare
It was supposed to say that the change never was actually made
oopsies
well how do we redo it so that it says roffle
"IN CASE OF"
"ROFFLE GREED"
a bit long
autumn swan
I don't really see a to.do.that without hurting or redoing that jokers design
autumn swan
"IN CASE OF"
"ROFFLE GREED"
That feels long
I mybe I can squeeze Roffel into the glass part as like a reflection kind of thing
nocturne hare
I mybe I can squeeze Roffel into the glass part as like a reflection kind of thi...
makes sense
nocturne hare
excommunication stuff here because i don't have access to my computer rn
- gotta figure out xmult scaling value
- figure out if selling held spectrals also gains xmult
the issue is so Game Design core because im asking myself the values to make picking up that seance worth it
nocturne hare
the thing with selling held spectrals is that ghost deck becomes the easiest thing ever
nocturne hare
but otherwise excom is annoying to use without it if not on ghost deck
because spectral cards are so so so so annoying sometimes
nocturne hare
that works
supple yew
like selling gains x0.1 and using x0.25 or x0.5
supple yew
yeah i guess spectrals are quite rare unless you have a spectral generating joker
nocturne hare
ofc. DNA sixth sense...
supple yew
that would take 3 joker slots so i think it's okay to reward that combo
nocturne hare
tbh giving the dna sixth sense build xmult scaling is actually fun
supple yew
yea
nocturne hare
because dna sixth sense is pretty mid as it is
supple yew
im just gonna write it down like this
nocturne hare
maybe 0.1X mult on sell
supple yew
valid
nocturne hare
but also ughhh fishing for seance is so hard with the amount of uncommons we have lol
nocturne hare
maybe we just cut down the fishing in half
guarantee an excom spawn after spectral used or something
idk how to do that 🫠
supple yew
LOL
nocturne hare
that would be really funny commentary on séance
supple yew
icl i still like the idea of giving a reward for using seance with a strong xmult scaler
even if it's hard to pull off
nocturne hare
maybe chance of spawning should increase with amount of time seance used
thunking hard...
supple yew
le thunk
nocturne hare
hmmm
well, What Would [Extra Credit] Do?
rewarding spectral usage is actually not as unbalanced as it seems at first
supple yew
some spectrals can actually fuck up your build
nocturne hare
because spectrals are
- Situational Deck Fixing (Average Superposition Build)
- Situational Deck Fixing (Photochad)
- Situational Deck Fixing (idfk Hack???)
- Retrigger Money (almost always ok)
- Shiny Card (almost always ok)
- Instant Broke (ante 1-2)
- Situation Deck Fixing (good flush five starter if you are 5oak)
- the 5oak in question (mid game)
- Negative Tag (its ok i guess)
- The Best One
- Instant Scoringn't (ante 1-2)
- Again! (almost always good)
- Instant Scoringn't (gay version)
- The Other Best One
- Better Cartomancer (almost always good)
- DNA 2 (almost always good)
the amount of times kali has given me hex is astounding
i forgot the names of the other spectrals shut up
supple yew
grim, familiar, incantation, talisman, aura, wraith, sigil, ouija, ectoplasm, immolate, idk, deja vu, idk, trance, purple seal i forgor name, cryptid
why do i know almost all their names
even the useless ones
nocturne hare
i got all the mechanics working
autumn swan
W
supple yew
holy shit it's perfect
popped off
can u send the sprite over so i can add it to my psd
nocturne hare
nocturne hare
can u send the sprite over so i can add it to my psd
.
actually that might be smol
supple yew
1x is fine i can upscale when exporting
blissful pond
For Just Get Chips, couldn't SMODS.calculate_individual_effect be hooked, and a context be calculated, then the chips be returned?
supple yew
mayybe? i'm unfamiliar with that func
blissful pond
mayybe? i'm unfamiliar with that func
It's used for mostly anything that gets returned.
idle lily
?????
nocturne hare
are you using the most recent version?
nocturne hare
What's with the in 2s on "Speculative Oops"?
it's one big maths and wording joke
oops says that it doubles all listed probabilities, and spec oops has four listed 1 in 2s. they cancel to 1 in 16 without Oops: ((((1/2)/2)/2)/2) = 1/16, and with Oops all those probabilities individually double, leaving us with 2(2(2(2(1/2)/2)/2)/2) = 1, which just means the money is guaranteed
i wish one day spec oops actually procs without oops so we can call it streamer luck
solid condor
are you using the most recent version?
Grabbed from the big green button
That's the only way I download Balatro mods.
nocturne hare
Grabbed from the big green button
you claim voucher clear, right? hn
ill take a look
solid condor
you claim voucher clear, right? hn
Yeah. I cheated, but isn't that the point of debug plus?
nocturne hare
oh don't do that LOL
solid condor
Just a fresh run, ante 1, no shops, no skips, nothing
nocturne hare
but actually, that's interesting
solid condor
If you want, I can recreate it now
nocturne hare
it's probably because voucher clear doesn't have a voucher to clear
solid condor
Just, uh, gimme a bit
nocturne hare
assumedly this can be fixed with an if then
nocturne hare
idk voucher clear code
nocturne hare
yeah someone spawned in voucher clear and game bork
autumn swan
That's odd though
It shouldn't do anything unless that shop is loaded
It uses checking if that card area exists to check if you're in the shop
if context.selling_self and G.shop_vouchers.cards then
This is what it's complaining about
But this should crash anything
autumn swan
Because of that doesn't exist then is should just not run
blissful pond
```lua
if context.selling_self and G.shop_vouchers.cards then
```
G.shop_vouchers wouldn't exist if the shop hasn't loaded yet.
autumn swan
`G.shop_vouchers` wouldn't exist if the shop hasn't loaded yet.
Wouldn't it be nil so then it would be false
blissful pond
Wouldn't it be nil so then it would be false
Yes, but you're indexing G.shop_vouchers (a nil value) to check if G.shop_vouchers.cards exists.
autumn swan
Yes, but you're indexing `G.shop_vouchers` `(a nil value)` to check if `G.shop_v...
Ahhhhhhhhh
See
That makes sense
solid condor
wtf
autumn swan
So if I just check for G.shop_vouchers then I should be good
autumn swan
wtf
Odd
How did you get there
I'm pretty sure that has something to do with voucher clears method it uses to kill the vouchers
solid condor
How did you get there
That was on my other save
autumn swan
Ah
solid condor
@autumn swan I'd put the face on "Main Channel" on the soul layer, imo
Otherwise it just looks weird as a negative
Plus, you've used it on SEVENS SUCK
autumn swan
<@919064167766429736> I'd put the face on "Main Channel" on the soul layer, imo
I thought about it, I'll look into it later
I'm not at my PC
I think the sprite for the head is in the sprite sheet
Because I put it there and forgot to remove it
Look at him go lol
autumn swan
Why the fuck is THAT the placeholder sprite 💀
It's not used most of the time
solid condor
Still cringe
autumn swan
The temple uses the Roffel text Jimbo
autumn swan
Still cringe
It's a joke in Roffels chat
Well it used to be
I mean the main channel code has an ultrakill meme in it
local SHRIMPSPECIAL = pseudorandom('6 DOLLAR SHRIMP SPECIAL')
Would it be possible to make 7s suck make all cards 7s whilst you have it?
A joker in cardsauce removes a bunch of cards and gives 'em back when you remove the card somehow
autumn swan
Would it be possible to make 7s suck make all cards 7s whilst you have it?
That would have to be a separate joker
For balence reasons
autumn swan
It probably won't get added because of how few synergies it would have
It only works with one joker
That would make it worthless without 7s suck
solid condor
Maybe make 7s suck only appear if you have the suck?
autumn swan
Ehhh
I don't see a reason for that
There are plenty of jokers that use face cards that can still appear when you are on abandoned deck
So it wouldn't suit the behavior of the base game
Besides then you would never see it so then you wouldn't know that you could build for that
autumn swan
@supple yew looks like a problem with the main file
Something to do with line 86 in the main file
urban arrow
supple yew
i may or may not have collapsed on the couch for 5 hours
merged the voucher fix
will merge the new fellas in a bit after i make dinner
autumn swan
i may or may not have collapsed on the couch for 5 hours
That is so real
I've been non stop for the last week pretty much
supple yew
okay excom/engagement are up
@nocturne hare can u send me the engagement sprite separately
supple yew
# WTAF
ima look into this now
okay so line 86 defines this update hook for the trigger happy challenge
now why is it trying to index "T" i have zero fucking clue
the stack goes deep into unrelated code so if it's an issue with this mod it has to be something to do with a variable being set wrong
maybe it's getting confused because of the reference to the original func and the new func definition have the same name
but that would be dumb
i have no clue what's going on here this is way above my paygrade
the error points to this line in my lovely dump
which does coincide with it being in the copy_card func but i have no idea where this mysterious 'T' comes into play
maybe there's some kind of desync between versions and instead it refers to line 2378 in my dump which does mention T
that being said
why the fuck would other.T be nil
this is either trying to copy something that isn't a card somehow or the card that is being copied shat itself and died at some point
i don't know if i can go much further than this, this feels larger than just our mod
im hoping someone smarter than me can take it from there but me i've reached a dead end here
im just gonna push this
most likely does nothing but worth a shot at least
supple yew
this has the potential to get completely borked with modded bp jokers, there has to be a better way to do it
how do you guys feel about uploading the current version to the mod index
feels like we've fixed most of the major issues it had when first shown to the world
autumn swan
this has the potential to get completely borked with modded bp jokers, there has...
What is this?
autumn swan
Ah
I thought that it would just iterate through the value tables for all the jokers and get the chips values
Then set that to its own ret value
supple yew
thing is it has to take into account on scoring effects as well
like odd todd or scary face and such
supple yew
yea but it was easier for me to just do a pseudo bp effect so i didn't have to worry about when each chip joker triggers
supple yew
if main channel affects the value then their return value reflects that
and this thing just gets the return value of all owned jokers and checks for chips
it says "copies all chip effects of all owned jokers" i think
autumn swan
I see what you mean by breaks with modded BP jokers
Can't you just do not context.blueprint
supple yew
then it wouldn't be bp compat, which could be a fix but also kinda lame