Rofflatro, the Roffle Mod (BETA) - looking for testers!

[autumn swan]

i have it set on context.before for easy testing purposes

i was testing with jimbo and michel

fixed it

i just agve it the table .abilities

I still don't know how the un keywords works

[autumn swan]

Wait I just realized this is technically a development team

[nocturne hare]

"worked on a development team for a product intended for use by an influential person"

📰🪶

[autumn swan]

Lmao I'm so going to do it lol

[autumn swan]

6 DOLLAR SHRIMP SPECIAL

Balatro ultrakill mod would be funny

[supple yew]

perhaps this could be the next project we tackle.......

[autumn swan]

@supple yew do you know how the unkeyword works

[supple yew]

tbh i havent rly used it much

but its just

you write down the keys for values you dont wanna change

[autumn swan]

figured it out

[supple yew]

huh

weird

[autumn swan]

current progress

[autumn swan]

so how set are you on having this joker do things like double cola

WHY WOULNT GIVE SCALING JOKERS A KEY FOR THIER SCALING VALUE

😭

[autumn swan]

@supple yew what should i do about egg

should i block its number?

so i made it not work with scaling jokers

nice easter egg for the code lol

[autumn swan]

@supple yew should i pr this WIP version until i can work out the hard coded jokers

[nocturne hare]

request to name our team the Modders for the Balatro Transgender Agenda

[supple yew]

sure go ahead

[autumn swan]

How many trans people could possibly be working on this mod lol

[nocturne hare]

the three of us who talked the most are

[autumn swan]

i feel ike its just me ocassionally compaining about s choices

[nocturne hare]

ehhh we're the ones who made the most code?

[autumn swan]

and pinging alex for opinions and prs

[autumn swan]

yeah ig

[supple yew]

i know at least 4 of the 5 listed contributors are some flavor of trans

[nocturne hare]

← m/f bigenda

[supple yew]

yah

& max, food & me are transfem i think

[nocturne hare]

can't believe im the only afab in this server

/j

[supple yew]

LOL

theres gotta be someone else surely .. ...

[nocturne hare]

chat im a guy trust m e

[austere heart]

hello canio

[nocturne hare]

hi fluffy

[supple yew]

may i say your bio is absolute cinema

[austere heart]

why is all of the food full of ghosts

[supple yew]

you call the ghostbuster and you tell them, DESTROY THE CITY! FUCK-

[austere heart]

i changed it like 6 hours ago i think

[supple yew]

lmfao

i just love seeing super ghostbusters in the wild

i constantly quote it outta context and no one knows what im talking about

[austere heart]

True...

[nocturne hare]

i cant believe it

all my food jokers...

make spectral cards appear in the shop....

[humble rover]

i love super ghostbusters

ive listened to the whole album like 7 times i think

masterpiece

[supple yew]

arguably one of the greatest shitposts of all time

[nocturne hare]

hey we're all technically trans women here

truly the greatest description

[supple yew]

perfection

[autumn swan]

correct :3

[weak sparrow]

got a new one from the latest vid
Rock and Buskin (Common)

• Retrigger all played Stone Cards

[hasty galleon]

joke suggestion: a "> looks inside" booster pack, you're allowed to choose 2 cards. there are only two cards in the pack though, photograph and hanging chad

[hasty galleon]

oh it exists

i am happy then

[nocturne hare]

???

uh oh

i'm just going to ignore that

[supple yew]

whuh

[autumn swan]

???

[autumn swan]

@supple yew sorry it took so long but the pr for base main channel has been created

[supple yew]

oop

omw to merge

[autumn swan]

idk if you lokked at it but i think you can see what i was going for

[smoky matrix]

are non common jokers just uncommon jokers and above (I know it's kind of a dumb question)

[autumn swan]

yes

so for main channel i need to look at things like cola, dagger, etc

ill likly need to kidnap a good portion of them

but ill start by making a list

I added some exemptions for loaylty card because i didnt want to mess it up too much

[autumn swan]

Alex I don't think the description of main channel fits some of the things you want it to do

Like the cola make more double tags

Cola doesn't specify a number/value it just says "a double tag”

Same with like dusk or sock retiggers

[supple yew]

idk it was max who designed it originally

[autumn swan]

Can I implement it the way that I think makes the most sense then?

And see if it works please

[supple yew]

yea go ahead

[autumn swan]

New deck- wee deck, start wee joker, your deck starts with 52 cards that are not greater than 5

[supple yew]

fire

[autumn swan]

Made some tweaks to main channel, pr submitted

[supple yew]

merged 🫡

[autumn swan]

Alright I'll add perkeo and some other jokers compat then it'll be done

For now

[autumn swan]

So do we still need art for main channel

[supple yew]

ya we do

[autumn swan]

if you want ican give it a shot

[supple yew]

sounds good! go ahead

[autumn swan]

theres a vision

[supple yew]

oh my god

i see it

[autumn swan]

its very simplified but

[supple yew]

oh hell yea

[autumn swan]

now what do i put in the frame

that is the question

[supple yew]

his icon

like the one on the channel banner

[autumn swan]

should i just steal it from streamer deck

[supple yew]

yea u can do that

[supple yew]

PERFECT

LMAO

[autumn swan]

lemme loclaise it an ill send a pr

how far we've come

[autumn swan]

I did a pr, I'm away from my PC so idk if you merge or not

So ig now we playtest?

Add the other challenges and decks

[nocturne hare]

request: change the xmult 1.5 to a spectral color background

should also say 1.5x tbh

anyways if y'all don't mind I'm writing a wiki for this

[supple yew]

holy hell

let me merge it

with that i would say we're ready for an initial beta release

one deck, 2 pages of jokers and several challenges seems pretty good to me

could even message mr streamer man and see if he could perhaps try it out next week

[autumn swan]

Do you want me to add the wee deck?

Or should that be a challenge called "grow your wee”

Eternal wee, plasma deck, white stake rules

[supple yew]

idk how i didnt see the notif for this lmfao

sure sounds awesome

the eternal wee challenge

except it would be funnier if it's just a normal challenge deck

[autumn swan]

Wdm normal challenge deck

[humble rover]

is it a permanent increase or just a one time multiply for that hand?

[autumn swan]

Permanent for the rest of the run

[humble rover]

ah okay lol

i was gonna say if it was one time then 1/25 seems kinda weak

permanent is funny

[autumn swan]

Yeah

Pain in the ass to code tho lol

[autumn swan]

How do we want to playtest this

[supple yew]

hmm

hold on

Rofflatro, the Roffle Mod (BETA) - looking for testers!

that should help

im also thinking of messaging roffle this weekend so he can maybe check it out next week if all goes well

maybe after stream

[autumn swan]

Yeah if it has his name on it he definitely should get a say in what's in it

[supple yew]

im not sure how much he's willing to spoil himself before streaming it tho lol

[autumn swan]

Yeah...

What if we conned Murphy into it

[supple yew]

LOL

i mean that would be awesome too

he is in the mod too after all

[autumn swan]

Yeah lol

Well ik my friend can test it

I'll see if I can get some others to try it

[supple yew]

sweet

[nocturne hare]

oh some of these still have broken prices

oh no

[autumn swan]

What 😭

Wait ik why it's like that

I can fix it tomorrow lol

[nocturne hare]

nah i alr fixed it

[autumn swan]

It doesn't have my credit badges either

I'm terrible at this lol

[nocturne hare]

main channel is really good with burglar because it does the 1 in 25 from hands

basically infinite scaling

but maybe we should do uh

rounding

because 23.171875

is rough

i can play the entire deck now

oh Sevens Suck doesn't work with main channel...

oh wait no it does

i'm so debtpilled too

bootleg exponentia

hmm

[supple yew]

mayyyybe this needs a nerf LOL

[nocturne hare]

nah it just needs to be tied to something that can't be increased

"at the end of the round" is fine

but if you tie it to hands and increase a +hands joker that's just exponential scaling

[supple yew]

yea that sounds solid

[nocturne hare]

if we do that though the chance should be higher

because 1 in 25 is balanced around bad high cards

[supple yew]

hmm

1 in 5 would be an average of under 1 hit per ante

with oops it gets even better

maybe 1 in 10

[nocturne hare]

3 rolls of 1 in 25 happens to be 11.5%

so yeah sure 1 in 10 sounds good

[supple yew]

oh hey the math lines up

perfect

[supple yew]

aight im on my compter so i can do the main channel fix unless you guys got it

[nocturne hare]

can the card be 4 mana 77

[supple yew]

which one is mana

LOL

i am rather unfamiliar with hearthstone

is it the yellow one?

like this?

also what the hell is up with the sprites having these thin white outlines

still can't figure out why this shit happens

[nocturne hare]

no mana is the top blue number

and 77 is cursed

it's 7 on the yellow 7 on the red

44 mana 77 / 77

no way

[supple yew]

lmfao

[west frigate]

Main Channel is on Cryptid's level of madness

Gemini (Exotic)

Multiply the value of leftmost joker by X2 at end of round

yep, I'm not joking, it needs a rework

[autumn swan]

well Gemini is guaranteed

this only has a chance

[west frigate]

still too strong for a Rare

[autumn swan]

and its a rare

[west frigate]

this would be at least Cryptid's Epic

[autumn swan]

originally it was 1 in 25

[west frigate]

it could stay at that

[autumn swan]

1 in 10 might be too strong

but 1 in 25 felt a little weak

[west frigate]

1 in 15

[autumn swan]

yeah

[west frigate]

lucky card's money level sounds reasonable enough

except you can retrigger lucky cards, not jokers (in a normal way)

[autumn swan]

retriggering jokers is beyond the scope of this mod imo

[west frigate]

I do have a joker in Sagatro that does exactly that

and its rarity is equivalent to Cryptid's Epic

retrigger all jokers once, lasts 10 rounds

[autumn swan]

cryptid has chad lol

[west frigate]

retrigger joker is smods' feature btw

off by default, but it can be enabled by using SMODS.current_mod.optional_features = {retrigger_joker = true}

[west frigate]

chad is like

a meme joker, based on hanging chad retriggering first scoring card twice

not to mention Cryptid was never meant to be balanced

[autumn swan]

ik, ive used it in another mod

[autumn swan]

yeah lol

its just silly like that

[west frigate]

1 in 15 then

reminds me of this troll I made in Sagatro

^2 is powerful, but there's a chance it can go poof before you even manage to get ^2 once

[autumn swan]

@supple yew i made a pr for it

[west frigate]

I love the art of balancing

[nocturne hare]

you say this but this is significantly weaker than the original 1 in 25

we should be nerfing the multiplier, not the chance

lowering the chance is bad design because it just like. never happens

[west frigate]

nerf the mult to X1.2 then

same as Oil Lamp

wait, Oil Lamp is Rare

💀

or Epic? couldn't recall

[austere heart]

oil lamp is rare but should probably be epic

[nocturne hare]

personally x1.1 for 1 in 8 or something is fine

[austere heart]

tbh having consistent value multiplication at a rarity below legendary feels a bit much

[nocturne hare]

yeah i was :thunking: hard at that addition tbh

anything that changes other jokers is completely unreliable to balance

[autumn swan]

We can always try making it a legendary

[supple yew]

or, hear me out

it only triggers a set6 amount of times before destroying itself

[autumn swan]

Or give it a banana death chance

[supple yew]

hmmmm i feel like having it die before it triggers even once would be kind of annoying

[autumn swan]

Hmm yeah

Guarantee on death?

Like it hits then dies

Hell it could only do it if it never triggered before

[west frigate]

wait, I can also have that on mock turtle

💀

makes it more worthy of a rare

[autumn swan]

?

[west frigate]

this

[weak sparrow]

I don't think value manipulation in any form is balanced, especially in a vanilla-styled mod

Especially not SCALING value manipulation

[autumn swan]

how about we actually play the mod and then figure it out from there

[weak sparrow]

^

[autumn swan]

god damn

alright then

[weak sparrow]

ask anyone who's played cryptid what the most powerful joker in the mod is and they'll say oil lamp

which is X1.2 values to one joker

[autumn swan]

yeah ive seen the runs where theyll oil lamp hanging chad with photagraph to send the score to the moon

I have no idea what to do about this lol

best i can think of is make the value additive

[nocturne hare]

tbh i just think jokers like these are unbalancable

[weak sparrow]

general consensus for modest (vanilla balanced) cryptid is that value manip should be removed

[nocturne hare]

though ye additive is cool

[autumn swan]

slap legendary on it?

and make it additive

[weak sparrow]

maybe see if +1 to all values is reasonable

[nocturne hare]

rr r rr ... lazy solution ...

[autumn swan]

or we can restrict what values it can change

[nocturne hare]

but try +1 first

[weak sparrow]

and have it not work on Xmult jokers for obvious reasons

[nocturne hare]

well

money too maybe

and hands/discards

bc drawing the whole deck is weird

[autumn swan]

but then how is it useful

[nocturne hare]

it literally adds the chips and scales the chips simultaneously

for like scaling mult its already really good

[autumn swan]

so what changes do i need to make?

are just doing additve first?

or am i restricting and addive

[nocturne hare]

just do additive first

[autumn swan]

k

lemme make the change to my fork

we can test it on there before pr

https://github.com/UHadMeAtFood/Rofflatro-un

heres the fork

[terse knot]

do i download that so i can start testing

[autumn swan]

That's where I'll be putting any changes make

It's a Little buggy because there's some changes to make

But yeah

If you want to test the main channel rework

[terse knot]

the Speculative Oops isnt clear to me, is it a 1 out 2 chance 4 times or?

[warped ridge]

Yes

Functionally it’s a 1/16 (maybe 32, don’t recall) that becomes 1/1 with oops

[autumn swan]

i think is somthing like 16/32 so taht when you have oops its gaurenteed

[terse knot]

Latest video brings a new joker that does nothing because he isn’t a game designer /j

[autumn swan]

lmao im pretty sure i caugth that live

[supple yew]

anyone against me messaging roffle after we fix main channel? :3

speaking of how's that going

[autumn swan]

Idk

I haven't gotten to test it yet

Only other thing I can think to do is change when it triggers

Like maybe only after a boss blind

And keep it multiplicative

[nocturne hare]

sure

[autumn swan]

:3

[supple yew]

:3

so hows main channel lookin

[nocturne hare]

i think its harder to get rolling now

we should change the card though

issue is that adding hands is still broken

can we just blacklist hand

specifically troub and burglar breaks everything when you sell them

perishible is really funny but i don't think it matters unless someone gets 3 oops

ok maybe don't push just yet

jokers are inconsistent in what they scale

thanks Red Card

ykw i'll fix the sprite

sprite fixed

4 mana 7 7

[autumn swan]

How is it scaling

It should only scale the scaling value of the joker

[autumn swan]

I haven't had time to work on this mod as of recently

I'm close to ending my final year of highschool so there's a lot going on

I'll see if I have some time the week or smth

[supple yew]

yea no pressure

[supple yew]

im thinking maybe just have main channel self destruct after it hits and call it a day

if you guys are too busy i can work on it

[supple yew]

holy moly

scoring e20 with this setup

[autumn swan]

I'm guessing you did the thing

Sorry lol

[supple yew]

yea it grosses off when it triggers

all g life comes first yk

[autumn swan]

Lol

Sorry I haven't been working on the mod as much

Idk why there is to do

[supple yew]

hey it's cool we're basically ready for a first release

[autumn swan]

I think voucher clear might need some testing

[supple yew]

yeah maybe

[autumn swan]

Idk if it actually prevents them from appearing

[supple yew]

i'm gonna message roffle tomorrow after the mlb match

[autumn swan]

I think ik the fix I just don't really want to implement it

[supple yew]

lmao fair

[autumn swan]

Yk how it would cause the next voucher in the chain to appear

That's because at the time it would add the voucher being cleared to the used vouchers

So what I would have to do is check if it's one of the base vouchers

And then it's disable it's tier 2

[weak plinth]

this seems fun!

[autumn swan]

Let us know if you have any feedback

[weak plinth]

alr

[gentle basin]

the streamer is getting excited about the potential of the run

[frail schooner]

chat i theorize a potential bug with streamer deck looking at the old code

does riff raff create non-common jokers as well?

[supple yew]

nnnnope just common

[weak plinth]

That could be helpful honestly if riffraff wasn't a common itself

Cause some of the commons are pretty nice, Cavendish being the main one.

[autumn swan]

Yeah that's part of the play style with the deck tho

[nocturne hare]

i kinda wanna catch the stream live but im a vod watcher

[supple yew]

if we didn't have a photochad generator rare joker then riff raff would be a huge help for that too

btw, i havent messaged roffle yet because i wanna make sure everything's in order

[supple yew]

did you figure out the voucher clear fix?

i can help out if you need

(not today im gonna be out all day but yk)

[supple yew]

well i am at my pc now so i can help again

[autumn swan]

If you want to do the fix go ahead

I can get started on it in a second tho

[supple yew]

all g im gonna test the mod in general while i wait for the stream to end so i can notify mr man

[supple yew]

i really hope he tries an actual full house build with the tshirt they're actually kinda fun

[autumn swan]

Hopefully he gets a seed to give to him lol

[autumn swan]

my phone got swole

as in the the battery expanded

[autumn swan]

im working on it now

[autumn swan]

THERES NO WAY

[terse knot]

Is this a meme I don’t get

[autumn swan]

https://youtube.com/shorts/Oo63vtmSW_E?si=ymw5RmhCCRjbmfFW

[supple yew]

baseball, huh?

we may see the debut of rofflatro on todays stream, stay tuned yall!

[amber bobcat]

ITS HAPPENNING!!!

[supple yew]

https://www.twitch.tv/roffle hop on

[urban arrow]

https://www.youtube.com/live/a6yjr-K1HYo?si=4SS6s0ZMGtZLo0rR

[solid condor]

What 3 decks does Roffle use the most?

[amber bobcat]

lmao

[autumn swan]

I missed it noooo

Wait he's still going

[amber bobcat]

yep

hes about to hit naninf

[autumn swan]

So main channel is as cooked as we thought it was

I didn't make main channel blue and brainstorm incompatible 😭

[amber bobcat]

lmfaoooo

voucher killer doesnt work too

[celest hamlet]

Great mod, guys!

Despite the issues found in the stream today, it was a great mod.

[supple yew]

that was absolute chaos lmfao

[celest hamlet]

YUPPPPP

Hmm, yes, the Average Hanging Chad with 30+ retriggers

[supple yew]

so that seals it, main channel needs a nerf

[celest hamlet]

Unfortunately

Dunno how you guys will do it, but yeah.

[supple yew]

definitely either remove bp compat or destroy the bp if it triggers

or even decrease the scaling factor

[celest hamlet]

I think the scaling was fine

[autumn swan]

Def adding the incompat

[celest hamlet]

It was the blueprint/brainstorm compat that broke it

[supple yew]

yeah bp/brainstorm plus oops made it a guaranteed insta hit almost

[celest hamlet]

Because getting every joker x1.5^3 (OR MORE) is insane

Remove the compatability, and it should be fine

[autumn swan]

Voucher clear doesn't work

[celest hamlet]

But more testing will be needed.

[celest hamlet]

That too

[autumn swan]

Which I figured could be a problem

I'm already working on a fix

[supple yew]

i thought it did work just didn't clear the second tier

all good tho i was expecting more than 1 stream and we're gonna keep maintaining the mod and adding stuff slowly in the coming months

[celest hamlet]

Are there any legendaries?

Mr.Streamer himself?

Also

Where can I download this mod? I'd like to play it

[autumn swan]

I might have cooked it when I "fixed" it the first time

The current version works like that

The one on my pc

I'll look into pushing it tonight

[autumn swan]

Figured, I like where this is going

[supple yew]

github link in the OP

[autumn swan]

Not yet

@supple yew did he give you any feedback in dms

[ruby jolt]

Hey folks, just wanted to thank you all for the work on this. Honestly some of the most fun I've had on stream in awhile. The mod turned out great and I appreciate the effort ❤️

[autumn swan]

No problem, I enjoyed working on it and i hope to keep contributing to make it better. (main channel will be getting nerfed tho)

whoever made that one should be banned from making jokers

[ruby jolt]

Honestly, it made for a fun run so I'm not complaining. Looking forward to trying some more runs on higher stakes as well

[autumn swan]

Well I'll be watching the vods since live is hard for me. But if you have any feedback don't hesitate to let us know. I'll already have a fix for voucher clear since I noticed it wasn't working so make sure to update before you play it again

[celest hamlet]

Much appreciated

Can't believe Mr Streamer himself came to say hello!

[autumn swan]

Wait looks like streamer thinks the blueprint compat is funny

Maybe we leave it for people to discover it

I'm thinking for the upgraded gross Michel

Chadvandish

[celest hamlet]

No, too strong methinks.

Main Channel NEEDS to be nerfed.

If bp/bs compat stays, then they need to break if they copy successfully.

[autumn swan]

Yeah I think that will be the way to go if we want to keep it funny

Alright so

Cat food (uncommon) - retiggers played lucky cards once if they don't trigger (my cat is hungry, please feed it)

[gentle basin]

chatvendish

[celest hamlet]

Chat's obsessed with it...

[nocturne hare]

what an insane stream

#vodwatcher

can't believe we have a second main channel naninf

yeah the looks inside joker probably did what it was intended to do

[celest hamlet]

Shocker

New idea for 2 jokers: "Looks outside" (a window in a dark room leading to a lawn), and "Touch Grass"

[nocturne hare]

i'd rather touch glass

(x2)

notes for the stream is that thanks for the primes can afford to be +13

[nocturne hare]

deja vu damn

[celest hamlet]

Erm

What the scallop???

[nocturne hare]

main channel used to be really really good and i campaigned to make it end of round

it used to proc every hand played

if you used burglar youd just get free hands and play your whole deck and get a quabillion procs

[solid condor]

Deck idea: Synergyless deck. 52 7s

[steep pollen]

Make joker that becomes ^10 after user played 50 two pairs

[supple yew]

the goat

that was such a fun stream im so glad i caught it live

[supple yew]

imagine if this version of main channel was kept lmfao

would've been even more chaotic

[solid condor]

Apparently, what Doc'd do is crash his game

@supple yew

[austere heart]

install luajit2

#1336473631483760791

it fixes talisman compat bugs

[solid condor]

I also need to know how to make it all work on Linux

[autumn swan]

Read the smods wiki

And the lovely wiki

[solid condor]

I meant this

@autumn swan

[autumn swan]

I saw

I think I can figure it out

But I need a minute

[supple yew]

i mean luajit2 should just fix it already

[autumn swan]

No no

It has to do with how balatro runs on Linux

[supple yew]

doing talisman compat manually is a pain in the ass (source: i did manual talisman compat for 2 mods)

[supple yew]

ah right

[autumn swan]

I think if you just follow the instructions but do them in your steam game directory

Same one you put version.dll

[solid condor]

Yea, that just launches vanilla

[supple yew]

okay time to write down some of the bugs that happened on stream so we can fix it and some changes we should implement maybe for next stream

• bp copying main channel should off itself instead of destroying main channel or be incompatible entirely
• spec oops reads 16 in 2... when oops is owned instead of 2 in 2...
• kali should destroy joker cards even if there's no inventory space
• primes can be buffed to 13 or 17 scaling
• voucher clear does nothing (food is already working on this one)
• caught in 4k could get a slight nerf (maybe go back to +75 chips)

[nocturne hare]

spec oops is not a bug

it is intentional for math reasons

1/2/2/2/2 -> 16/2/2/2/2 because it multiplies the numerator once per each in 2

i agree with primes needing a buff though

[autumn swan]

Honestly can we simplify the spec oops joker

I find it a little confusing

And part of balatro is reading the joker explains the joker

[nocturne hare]

:sob : that's why the subtitle is there ...

then again the whole point of spec oops for me is the funny math joke

[autumn swan]

Yeah that's my only hold up for changing it

[nocturne hare]

i feel like the subtitle basically does the work for explaining it fine enough

[autumn swan]

What is it again

[nocturne hare]

streamer looked confused and got the joke in a manner of 2 seconds

[nocturne hare]

"Oh, the 1 in 16 becomes a 1 in 1..." or something

but ye 16 in 2... is valid because that's 16/(2^4) = 1

2 in 2... would assumedly equal 1 in 8

[supple yew]

i don't math very well so i'll trust you on that lol

[supple yew]

okay i fixed the bug with kali and adjusted the values on primes and 4k

just fixing main channel and voucher clear should tackle most if not all the issues that popped up yesterday

[flint jewel]

i dont think caught in 4k need a nerf since it only trigger when the first card is retriggered.

Since the chip only appear in the first card, The only retrigger option that really does matter is chad and redseal which is when combined it got 300chip. Well, its not a small number tho.

However, that is not an easy thing to get at higher stakes from the early rounds until it becomes something that matters when you got better scoring.

in Roffle's condition before, he got an early chad in "Plasma deck" which is a lot for an 200chip

[autumn swan]

This ai summery lol

[supple yew]

we need some reference to the "streamer is getting lucky" copypasta

[nocturne hare]

can we get love for bonus cards

[supple yew]

that could also be fun

[supple yew]

gonna be testing a lil something for a future update...

[supple yew]

dont wanna be spoiling too much but i think i kinda popped off with this one

[autumn swan]

Cinema

[supple yew]

wait also another thing to fix is that for some reason main channel is eternal compat

okay fixed

btw any new jokers are gonna be done on a separate branch because i think it's best if we keep the current joker pool as it is for now

when it comes to it i wanna try and push out a big 15 joker update or smth along those lines so you get lots of new content at once

(which also means we need a few more ideas lol)

[autumn swan]

Sounds good, I can't be as active as I used to be because I'm moving and getting ready for college

I'll probably be more help in a couple weeks

[supple yew]

das cool, life comes first, good luck with college!

[frail schooner]

i love the art for this one!

[scarlet horizon]

maybe some sort of regular mult version of Lucky Cat that also scales on Wheel procs?

or an Xmult joker that scales whenever a Tarot pack produces a Soul card?

[supple yew]

this would be kinda like the opposite of dvd

gains +mult for every probability effect that succesfully triggers

could use the same hacky patch that dvd does and just add a new probability hit context

ima write that down

could also make for a fun challenge where you get eternal DVD + this and a bunch of lucky/glass cards

[supple yew]

brainstorming some more ideas

[supple yew]

i was scrolling thru to see if i missed any ideas, writing this one down too

that makes 45 listed joker ideas, but since draw the diamonds seems to be really hard to implement we should probably come up with a couple more

30 of the 45 are implemented in the current version and one more is fully implemented and ready for the update

[autumn swan]

I can't describe how pleased I was when Roffel interpreted the writing of main channel the same way I did lol

[supple yew]

just a lil guy

[autumn swan]

I want to make a joker for this mod that has a ultrakill reference and idk why

[supple yew]

one funny thing is that if you get one of these with negative edition, fill up your joker slots and then sell it you end up with one joker over the slot limit

[autumn swan]

It has no relevance

[supple yew]

i mean if we can link it to roffle

if not at least there's the 6 dollar shrimp special reference in the code

[autumn swan]

Yeah

[austere heart]

more philosophicallikes

awesome

[supple yew]

i am unfamiliar with philosophicallikes but i already love the term

[austere heart]

anything that has little to no effect but replaces its joker slot

named after philosophical joker morefluff

[supple yew]

ah i see

very cool

btw i have decided to name the guy 'buddy'

[nocturne hare]

ever noticed the play button on the back wall was upside down

why does streamer do that

[supple yew]

woh

i actually didnt

if you have a buddy with you and select a boss blind you will get some words of encouragement

[nocturne hare]

.

im blind

it's jsut the fluipped camera

[supple yew]

LOL

[nocturne hare]

im so eep y.

[autumn swan]

We need a reference to the sleepers

[supple yew]

trueeee

[nocturne hare]

vod watchers (me)

vs

twitch chat (alrex)

[autumn swan]

I too am a vid watcher lol

[supple yew]

i am both a twitch chatter and vid sleeper

[autumn swan]

I don't really have time to watch live

[nocturne hare]

im timezone nerfed

[autumn swan]

Damn

I'm in EST

So he actually streams at a reasonable hour

Problem is I don't like watching ads

[nocturne hare]

im 12 hours ahead of you

#winning

[autumn swan]

It's 11am for you then?

[nocturne hare]

pm

[autumn swan]

Holy crap I'm dumb

It's still light outside

[nocturne hare]

11:52

pm

[autumn swan]

11:52 am lol

[nocturne hare]

also im so happy roffle saw the 4 mana 7 7

[supple yew]

wtf it's 5:52pm for me

actually smack in the middle

[autumn swan]

You're in Italy right?

[nocturne hare]

around the world in tran sg ende

r

[supple yew]

close, spain

[autumn swan]

Nice

[supple yew]

i didn't get the reference but i'm glad he enjoyed it lul

[autumn swan]

I hope to live in Europe one day

[autumn swan]

I'm happy someone noticed my qr code on crashout

I worked way too hard on it lol

[supple yew]

hell yeah

we need more little easter eggs like that

[autumn swan]

We need some legendaries

[supple yew]

i was kinda scared of doing that since they're so rare that roffle might never even find em

but it could be fun

[nocturne hare]

do we really ...

[autumn swan]

At least one

[nocturne hare]

legendary? yes, my leg ends, but it's not airy

[autumn swan]

getout.mp4

[nocturne hare]

water gun joker because chat likes taking roffle hostage

[supple yew]

wait so true

[nocturne hare]

oh wait i forgot about cat ears

okay im coding that

[supple yew]

awesome

[autumn swan]

Trans people and cat ears

Bottom text

[supple yew]

i see no correlation

[nocturne hare]

Trans Agenda? i don't think all trans people are agender

[supple yew]

ignore my pfp

[nocturne hare]

i'm actually a cup of unknown liquid irl

[supple yew]

mystery sauce

[autumn swan]

I'm definitely Collette Brawlstars

[nocturne hare]

please do not drink me

something something

joker about raids

[autumn swan]

I find it funny that people just make the last name of a character the game it's from

Like sans undertale

[nocturne hare]

Roffle Balatro

[supple yew]

roffle balatro is my favorite gender

[nocturne hare]

the thing about watching the vod is that i forgot what i did

[supple yew]

btw when its done dont push it to the main branch, wanna wait until all the content for the update is ready

[nocturne hare]

i mean...

as if i don't do pull requests like a self respecting coder

ha.

haja hkalfjssdhdh

[supple yew]

what's a pull request?

[autumn swan]

Let me push the voucher clear fix

[supple yew]

schweet

[autumn swan]

Pr

Alright so

What needs to be done

[supple yew]

just gotta fix the main channel bp problem and that would be it for now in terms of the quick post stream patch

after that then just more jonklers and stuff

[autumn swan]

lemme do a looks inside rq

[supple yew]

wait yall aint in the trello board i just realised

bro 😭

me dumb me thinks

[nocturne hare]

to the dms 🫡

[autumn swan]

what that

[nocturne hare]

yeah i didn't know you had a trello but this is so cool and also gives me vietnam flashbacks

[autumn swan]

visable for people in the workspace?

[supple yew]

should work with the link i sent

[autumn swan]

sorry i can kinda read spainish lol

[nocturne hare]

link?

[supple yew]

in dms

[nocturne hare]

oh ok

[autumn swan]

I'm so happy I have the opportunity to work on this

[terse knot]

my dumbass thought this in the game

[autumn swan]

Good thing to know that the jokers can be a little unbalanced if it's funny

Wait what about some consumables

[supple yew]

i was thinking about that voucher idea where standard packs have copies of favorite cards

[supple yew]

speaking of favorite sticker we should really think of more synergies with that cos rn it feels a bit gimmicky

i think we also mentioned a boss blind that debuffs favorite cards

[autumn swan]

Yeah

[autumn swan]

Its upgrade could be that favorite cards can appear in the shop

[supple yew]

genius

i was actually not sure what the upgrade should be

ima write it down rq

something like this

we're cooking some real devious shit here

[autumn swan]

This is so cuuuteee

[supple yew]

wait hold on ima add one of those bell things

[autumn swan]

Lmao

[supple yew]

oh no...

[autumn swan]

Hehe

What's this a reference to anyway

[supple yew]

just a general streamer thing ya know

put on the maid dress n the cat ears and that shit

i mostly just wanna see his reaction lmfao

in unrelated news roffle asked for a hi res version of the atlas and i almost sent the current version spoiling this, moral support and get chips lmfao

[autumn swan]

Lmao

He's making a thumbnail probably

Video soon?

[supple yew]

sounds like it, i'm really stoked

[scarlet horizon]

I am unsure, because some things are a successful probability proc but aren't considered luckiness, such as glass breaking

so just a reverse DVD isn't quite accurate?

[supple yew]

i mean yeah technically, but it's easier to implement and understand that way

dvd procs when glass doesn't break for example

genius idea dropped in twitch chat

[autumn swan]

Holy shit an intelligent chatter

[nocturne hare]

impossible?

mmm must be a vod watcher on the off time

[nocturne hare]

the ears should be mismatching to show the effect :p

"i got these cat ears from the garage sale downtown'"

[supple yew]

shit u right

[nocturne hare]

make the other half purple and yellow

only because it would match the badges really funnily

[supple yew]

sum like this maybe

[nocturne hare]

the duct tape lmaoooo

[supple yew]

twas meant to be more like its sewn together but duct tape works too lol

[supple yew]

also workin on catfood in the meantime

[autumn swan]

Massive

[nocturne hare]

@supple yew i feel like cat ears scales really well for an uncommon

maybe we drop the modifiers bit?

because it can still proc on like flush five builds if so

[supple yew]

yea true

[nocturne hare]

ugh also works on unscoring cards too

that's also really good lmap

NO 4OAK ALLOWED

[supple yew]

the fuc

you can just check if the cards are scoring right

so like iterate thru scoring_hand

[nocturne hare]

well that's what the joker text in the google doc implies

so i coded that

[supple yew]

oops

[nocturne hare]

then i realised "wait "

[supple yew]

we should change that

[nocturne hare]

ye

[supple yew]

it says scored rather than played now

[nocturne hare]

cat ears higher chance of polychrome for gay chance accuracy

[supple yew]

LOL

[nocturne hare]

purrhaps it should give flat mult

i guess pants and black shirt give xmult

hm ...

eh we'll balance later

[supple yew]

pants gives flat, shirt gives x

idk

we'll figure t out

[nocturne hare]

chips? :thinking :

[supple yew]

that's what i was thinkin

[nocturne hare]

we do have not a lot of commons

[supple yew]

cat ears downgrade to common?

hm

[nocturne hare]

well it would appear more often

[supple yew]

i mean uncommon chip jokers are also a thing

[nocturne hare]

uncommon chip jokers are a bit 🤔

[supple yew]

it'll mostly depend on how powerful it ends up being

[nocturne hare]

because arrowhead is the best chips joker in the game but its also like +250 chips

[supple yew]

without retriggers

you can go crazy with it

[nocturne hare]

retriggers?

[supple yew]

if you hit a spade flush with no retriggers then it's already at a similar level as stuntman without the hand size debuff

but if you get yourself a seltzer that's 500 chips per hand

[nocturne hare]

yeah arrowhead is really good for that reason

[supple yew]

yea

[nocturne hare]

arrowhead does feel like an uncommon though but that's because chips are hard to balance

as in they're weaker than xmult (duh)

[supple yew]

yea ofc

they're still very valuable tho esp in higher stakes

i do like that roff found many of the current jokers to be potentially very useful for gold stake

[nocturne hare]

yeah

cat ears being a commitment is a bit strange for a scaling chips joker

[supple yew]

iunno

[nocturne hare]

but that's like arrowhead's spade condition ig

[supple yew]

or wee

[nocturne hare]

we could get away with +50 per hand like arrowhead

because arrowhead has retriggers but cat ears only triggers once

[supple yew]

hmmmm...

it does trigger once but 50 is a lot

[nocturne hare]

i guess less than that

[supple yew]

consider primes

[nocturne hare]

crunchy numbers

primes is so weak im ngl

[supple yew]

you might be right we could bump that ish up to like 31

one todd per hand

[nocturne hare]

id try 23 first

the thing with primes is that 2, 3, 5, 7 are awkward numbers specifically for scaling chips

like, it's not like arrowhead so hack isn't that instant of a synergy

it's also sharing the same space as wee

[supple yew]

except it doesn't scale faster with retriggers

unless we change that

[nocturne hare]

exactly

primes is significantly weaker than arrowhead because its a very strong commitment compared to spades

[supple yew]

more i think of it +11 per hand was basically a common joker lol

[nocturne hare]

yeah

[nocturne hare]

the thing is we'd have to balance around this commitment

[supple yew]

yea

[nocturne hare]

that or we just drop it and just give primes +chips or something

then it's easier to be arrowhead level

but the scaling is funny

[supple yew]

i feel like we don't have enough on scoring effects

[nocturne hare]

primes could be better of as on scoring

impressive keyboard skills there

[supple yew]

ass

[nocturne hare]

okay tragedy we only have chips, mult, xmult because we can't complete the minecraft armour slots quadruplet of head/chest/legs/boots

[supple yew]

we could do money

[nocturne hare]

scaling money ...

[supple yew]

legendary boots

[nocturne hare]

make it "if contains full house'

[supple yew]

oh boy

the full house build will go crazy

[nocturne hare]

what was my joke again

okay yeah worst fashion statement in the west

that should be an achievement

[supple yew]

does steamodded have custom achievement support

never tried that

[nocturne hare]

yes

it also has custom unlock support

[supple yew]

oh shit u right

i knew about unlocks

i guess you need achievements for unlocks

LOL

[nocturne hare]

iunno about making unlocks for this mod

[supple yew]

nah no unlocks

[nocturne hare]

yeah dont want streamer to grind for unlocks

[supple yew]

i wanna have everything available from the getgo

[nocturne hare]

thats Annoying

[supple yew]

exactly

time to test if this works

[nocturne hare]

a lot of stuff about lucky cards lol

[supple yew]

yea i guess we also got money shots lol

synergy baby

[nocturne hare]

DVD?

[supple yew]

that as well

although dvd isn't explicitly based on lucky cards, just that lucky cards are the most efficient way of scaling it

[autumn swan]

To be fair

Roffle does like himself some lucky cards

[supple yew]

yea i was gonna say

[nocturne hare]

who doesn't haha

[supple yew]

lucky cards are goated

[nocturne hare]

oh why did it crash

oh

pairs instead of ipairs

classic

[supple yew]

classic

[nocturne hare]

it works

waow

[supple yew]

dude i had a whole overcomplicated ass system to check whether or not a card had already been retriggered and then i realised "wait context.repetition only gets called once per card"

[supple yew]

waow

[nocturne hare]

oh

i forgot about wild cards

:dang :

[supple yew]

oopsie!

[nocturne hare]

well actually i just need to check if there's more than two cards and a wild card

because a wild card can't undo the scoring

and award to worst pun goes to

[supple yew]

🏆 congarators

[nocturne hare]

do i make it chips for now?

[supple yew]

yeah let's do chips for now and we'll see how it does

if it sucks we change it

[nocturne hare]

now we ask how many ...

i think 30 is a good starting point

[supple yew]

hm...

it's a relatively easy proc çcondition

so long as you don't spam high card or flush five you're gonna get it right

[nocturne hare]

ywah

13 (cat with visor)

[supple yew]

perfection

[nocturne hare]

so cat ears is simple condition, chips

spare trousers is okay condition, mult

black shirt is slightly harder condition, xmult

[supple yew]

sounds good to me

also i love how now that roffle is in my dm list discord just lets me easily spy on him LMAO

[nocturne hare]

roffle has follen into thee trap

/purposefulwrongyeolde

[supple yew]

thou hath been fooled, sir roffleson!

[nocturne hare]

Mod Manager? i think thats what localthunk does in this server

man these shoes must be really good if it has a full house condition

roffle probably doesn't have yeezers or whatever they're called right

[supple yew]

no yeezys i reckon

[nocturne hare]

what emotes do roffle have

[nocturne hare]

we should probably buff spec oops

[scarlet horizon]

I wonder if my love of lucky cards comes from finding Roffle early in my Balatro days

like, I don't tend to like self-sacrifice mechanics so glass cards were never gonna be my thing. But IIRC most people with my predilections gravitate towards steel cards

[supple yew]

turns out just get chips crashes your game when you bp it... oopsies

[nocturne hare]

can i push bug fixes

there's some vanilla return inconsistencies

also pricing probably should be updated for a few jokes idk

[supple yew]

yea go ahead

[nocturne hare]

oh spec oops doesnt work with dvd btw

how do i add compat

it doesnt even work with lucky cards either

ok

or oops

does dvd even work with anything

the code looks like it only works with glass

do we have to take ownership for literally everything

[supple yew]

wtf how

it worked with lucky cards just fine

[nocturne hare]

yeah they don't

wait

maybe i changed somethig

nevermind lucky cards works

oops doesnt

do i just return fail = true

[supple yew]

there's some custom context that procs it i forget what

check sevens suck it should have it

[nocturne hare]

they should hire me to write netflix code

[supple yew]

LOL

i was gonna ask why it's there 4 times but i get it

[nocturne hare]

actual reasons to pick up spec oops without oops

[supple yew]

you guys think a setup like this could naneinf

maybe with some extra scoring tech

[nocturne hare]

how would this even happen though

[idle lily]

this looks like you need 5k for it to naneinf

[supple yew]

lmao

theoretically ghost deck black stake you could get an eternal buddy and then copy anhk with perkeo for as long as you can survive

since buddy gives you an extra joker slot there's no limit

[nocturne hare]

we should make will it naninf? for every spectral

[supple yew]

trueeee

[scarlet horizon]

We've done it. We've figured out how to bring the Steel Card 50-card hand tech to the joker slots

[autumn swan]

@supple yew because of how buddy and main channel work can you change the wording for it to be "adds an extra joker slot"

Because iirc extra slots work I'm a way that doesn't play nice with main channel

Part of why I didn't want to bother with oops

[supple yew]

fair

i'll change it in a bit

also think i need to hardcode it rather than use the ability table

so that main channel has no access to the value and that way theres no need for any special exception

[autumn swan]

That too

Because iirc extra slots apply when bought/ sold

At least that's how oops extra odds works

[scarlet horizon]

how does Main Channel work? Do you scan through the entire ability table and multiply everything by 1.5?

[autumn swan]

Yes

With some exceptions

Like anything with a scaling value has its extra value blocked

But things like photograph don't

Because for some reason thunk stored the X2 for photograph in extra and not X_mult

[scarlet horizon]

I remember when I tried making a similar joker, I had to take control of a few jokers because things that were on the description as numbers, were not actually stored as variables.

[autumn swan]

Yeah I need to do that stull

I think it's perkeo and another one

Problem is I'll have to make the joker copy using a for loop

[autumn swan]

Oh I've decided to not mess with some of those

[scarlet horizon]

based on your rules, Fortune Teller and Swashbuckler probably aren't relevant

[autumn swan]

Mostly because then it would make the behavior of those jokers less consistent

Like swash

Riff raff makes sense

No supernova because the value isn't contained in the description of the joker

[scarlet horizon]

I think raised fist is similar to supernova in that regard

I almost typed raised fish

I actually didn't think about Perkeo in my joker

[autumn swan]

Why stencil tho

[scarlet horizon]

the way my joker worked was:

• she procced after a certain number of food jokers had been eaten
• she would randomly pick a random joker you owned
• she would then roll a 1/1000 chance
• if the chance failed, she would destroy herself and the joker would be buffed massively
• if the chance succeeded, the joker she chose would be destroyed and her Xmult would be doubled

[scarlet horizon]

to increase the xmult per empty slot

[terse knot]

The channel posted a video about the mod

[faint mesa]

HE PLAYED THE MOD

sorry im so inactive about this mod i kinda lost my balatro tism and ghosted all of my stuff

but i cant believe he played the mod :D

i wonder if my Type A joker art made it in hehehehehehe

[nocturne hare]

maxx !!!

[faint mesa]

hiii

[nocturne hare]

i get +1000 serotonin when people say spec oops is funny

my distaste for the comments section has increased ever so slightly

[austere heart]

most people?

[nocturne hare]

1

is not prime chat

[supple yew]

lfg baby

[nocturne hare]

btw is the mod open to public

i thought it wasn't

/shrug

[supple yew]

i mean technically the repo is open for anyone to see but it's not an official release yet

think after the few bugfixes we did we could upload it to the mod index tho

[nocturne hare]

yeah this is what i thought

this is an interesting idea

[quasi dagger]

?

[nocturne hare]

inexplicable crash

[quasi dagger]

i mean i literally just downloaded it from the github i didnt do anything wrong

[nocturne hare]

could you scroll down