Resurgence (WIP) - Primordial Arts

[static finch]

"the fuck are you doin here girlie"

[night prism]

Dunno, the godseaker is enough of a bitch to misgender her

All my homies hate the godseaker

[static finch]

whatevs I must eeeeep

see ya tomorrow girlies :3

[night prism]

Good night girlie <3

You only preceded me because i had to trype the heart

[static finch]

(⸝⸝ᵕᴗᵕ⸝⸝)

(still cis btw)

[night prism]

Being a girl is fun, now i can like pink without being moked

[static finch]

purple better

[night prism]

Still a gay color

The only straitght color is black

[static finch]

uuuuuuh

[night prism]

Boring like heterosexuality

[static finch]

DID YOU SEE ANY GOTH GIRL EVER ( half are lesbians)

[night prism]

Ok, if i'm a girl i want to be a goth one tho

[static finch]

you just said it's straight and boring

also hell yeah would

[night prism]

<3

Still less boring than porn

[static finch]

i mean goth girl Yuri

[night prism]

Yuri is highlighted porn

Porn blessed by the gods

[static finch]

sanctified

[night prism]

The pope watched yuri

Bluestorm specifically

He was real freaky

gn chat

[random ridge]

this but baron and mime

[static finch]

average french and english relationship

[night prism]

that's more a toxic yaoi kinda deal

[static finch]

it's always been like that between them

this is on topic

[night prism]

average visual novel choice

[static finch]

i got a game for you

[night prism]

i got many for you, but you ignore me

[static finch]

oh no

you don't get it

it's peak idiocy

@night prism overly dramatic joker?

[night prism]

overly dramatic tutor

[night prism]

@dusty river do you think we could reformat the sheet a little? to make it a bit easier to navigate

something closer to what the paperback one looks for instance

also using a table should make it possible to sort stuff which would make navigating it so much easier

sorry but i'm very perfectionist about those things, having a nice workspace and all

[static finch]

Christmas lights ass

[night prism]

false

no blue in the christmas lights

[static finch]

k whatever look

[static finch]

what do you know

[static finch]

SIKE

THOSE ARE MEN

well, were

[night prism]

no actually, they are pixels on a screen 🤓

[static finch]

i like screens and I like pixels

like these pixels

[static finch]

+1 joker slot

well anyway, tell me she's not a would, I dare you

[night prism]

why would i?

no need to dare anyone here

[static finch]

i shall

[muted mantle]

teto is cute but I would not

[static finch]

i wanted to know Mr tight ass's opinion

[night prism]

how do you know they don't have a tight ass to?

[static finch]

it's a confirmed she for once

[dusty river]

im not sure how, but yes, that looks great

[night prism]

i can do it easily

[night prism]

who are you referring to here?

[static finch]

teto

is a she

[night prism]

yeah i know

that's why i gave the answer i did

[static finch]

i don't get what you mean then

they is referring to?

[night prism]

velocity, u said u weren't talking with them

[static finch]

ooh

me dumb

:3

[night prism]

teto's asshole's is not my concern

[static finch]

well it should be mine but alas

she does not exist

[night prism]

sad

[muted mantle]

huh?

[night prism]

ignore it

[static finch]

yeah I don't get why you got brought into this

either

[muted mantle]

alright

[night prism]

for your own good

[night prism]

they brought themselves into it, and you answered to them

[static finch]

no

i said I wanted your opinion

@muted mantle why not anyway

[night prism]

i gave you mine already

[static finch]

i mean yes

[muted mantle]

I'd rather befriend

[static finch]

so why say what you said

[muted mantle]

they cool

[static finch]

I'm more in the "do you wanna be her or do her" conundrum

[night prism]

both, both is good

[static finch]

real

@dusty river girlie behavior

[night prism]

girlies are cool

[night prism]

restating

[static finch]

gayass :3

[dusty river]

are u sure? are u sure? like, not ferris or alphesto, but fr? cuz my assumption is like ferris and alphesto

90% of anime femboys are just trans from what I've seen

also, I is awake fr now

[dusty river]

I really like this sheet and would love to have ours like this

we should really seperate the name column from the rarity column then tho

cool thing I only just realized I could do

still not sure how I did it lmao

@night prism I guess, for now, as I don't know how to make this into a table, I'm gonna go in and add a rarity column

[night prism]

look at music cards

[dusty river]

nice!

[static finch]

who?

[night prism]

you can double click the status column to change the values easily

ok, now it's more clear how to change it

i added an arrow

[dusty river]

OMG NICE

THAT'S AWESOME HEHEHE

[night prism]

we will use this for rarities

[dusty river]

I could talk about how trans this cat is for 72 hours

[night prism]

@dusty river stop a sec

let me set the rarities first

[dusty river]

okey 👍 sorry lol

[dusty river]

alphesto is also canonically nb, it's the english dub/sub which altered it cuz they were pissed trans people exist I guess

with the sorting being a thing now, I think the blank rows are no longer nessesary lol

[night prism]

ok, all the rarities are in place

[dusty river]

yayyy

we should also have a "Status" column in here, I think that's a way better way of doing things than the color coding hehehe

brb imma play a bit of minecraft i thinks

[static finch]

wasn't Felix a straight femboy

whatevs

the 2 in the image are just genderbent akechi and joker

[dusty river]

you are SO wrong, also, her name is Ferris, that's how bad it is, she litterally has a deadname lmao

doesn't help that the translation team seems to have a hatred of the idea of her being trans and that the og creator being an egg, lmao

she takes the fantasy equivilant of hrt, and she specifically changed her name from "felix" to ferris in the manga cuz "felix" was too masc, by her own word, and, she gets extremely upset when people deadname her, which, is a thing, that actually happens in the manga

this is what I meant by talking about it for 72 hours lmao

[static finch]

hell I have circumstantial knowledge at best

[dusty river]

I get it lol

translation teams suck tho, lol

many such cases

[static finch]

what can I do about it

[static finch]

arc v was so good

[dusty river]

I wish the sprites weren't so small in sheets lmao

shortest joker

[night prism]

lol

[dusty river]

I wonder who wrote that one

[static finch]

who's perse

[dusty river]

perse(phone)

[static finch]

ah

right

i forgor :3

well how many self-inserts do you need

[night prism]

phone joker when?

[static finch]

phone, the- SHIT MY SIGNAL'S DEAD

[dusty river]

ok, I have an awful joker idea that came from this lmao

[night prism]

fusion jokers cross mod content to make persephone

we still need to code the joker for the song i'm listening rn

[dusty river]

for the light and dark paint shaders, it may be a good idea to look at the negative shader actually perhaps? maybe? cuz I know they have the trait of only negating some colors and not all of them, like, negative gold cards are still gold colored, for example

[night prism]

one must go trough the painful job of removing all the superfluous rarities

[dusty river]

hmm?

oh, lol

I'll try and do that

partly at least

[night prism]

we can also remove the first page now

sorry didn't mean to answer to that

why does this happen?

i made them all the same size 2 minutes ago

[dusty river]

idk, hmm

[static finch]

they small

[dusty river]

I think maybe something to do with the sorting?

[night prism]

yeah i think so too

[dusty river]

all non-"Nothing" status jokers have their second rarity removed

[dusty river]

try sorting by name, then, swapping to sorting by art

it messes it all up again, but fixes itself when going to sorting by art

[night prism]

this is way better

[night prism]

i've found your nemesis @static finch

so funny to me that a wikipedia page for this exists

@dusty river did you think of any other names for absurd?

[opaque oasis]

okie

people

im alive

[static finch]

fuck you

[opaque oasis]

im doing gabriel

[night prism]

give me a time

[static finch]

i told you

3 months at least

[opaque oasis]

people

does it turn the left joker into divine if it already has an edition?

im assuming yes

[static finch]

@dusty river should it override edition

[night prism]

i'd say yes

[dusty river]

mmhhh I'll say yes, only cuz it's targetted tho

[opaque oasis]

oke

[night prism]

yeah, random effects shouldn't

[dusty river]

I haven't :< I tried asking in #💻・modding-dev but no one responded lmao

[night prism]

that's more for code stuff

#⚙・modding-general is probably better

[opaque oasis]

@dusty river i made it start with x1.5 mult

i can make it start with x1 as well

rn its x1.5 > x3 and so on

[dusty river]

hmm?

oh, I think u may have misunderstood, the 2nd effect works like Baseball card does

[opaque oasis]

ae

im dum

fixing it

[dusty river]

understandable lol

w my wording, I'd word the other effect as "Gives x1.5 mult per Divine Joker" if it had worked that way

[opaque oasis]

na its pretty understandable

actually

😭

ok im done w/ gabriel

i am not

done with gabriel

fuck context.other_joker

nvm

i did it right

it works exactly like baseball

[dusty river]

horayy :3

[opaque oasis]

pushing the changes

pushed

[dusty river]

yayyy :3

[opaque oasis]

yayy i actually did something useful

[night prism]

You still did more than milo

You will probably remain 3rd best contributor forever

[opaque oasis]

how 😭

[night prism]

Well, we are 4 people here

Not hard to be in third place

[static finch]

FUCK YOU

[static finch]

also you're stealing my quotes

[night prism]

He literally did

[static finch]

boykisserSad~2

[night prism]

Dw, we love u regardless

[static finch]

@dusty river ay what do you think this could be?

[static finch]

i dunno i feel super useless after you said that

unironically

[night prism]

Please don't

[static finch]

well uh

what else can i do

[night prism]

Be useful I guess

If u don't want to feel useless

I don't think there are other ways to not feel like that

[static finch]

well thank fuck

but

uh

it's not that easy

[night prism]

I know

dw

I'm not gonna pressure you

[static finch]

well i will myself

but i am always stuck in the eternal loop of wanting to do stuff and not being able to for some reason

both unintentionally and personally

[night prism]

I know it very well

Man, I was stuck there for years before becoming good at anything of what I do

[static finch]

well let's hope i lock the fuck in

[night prism]

I wasn't born a musician, nor a programmer

[static finch]

cause i have no idea how to

[night prism]

We are ruined

[dusty river]

nooooo! deathshead_fear

[static finch]

JUMBO FROM MEMORY

[dusty river]

@night prism check out this awesome art done by @rose cape !! :333

they made it for us, met them in a sts discord, they sent it to me in dm :3

(I think anyways, lol)

[rose cape]

i think so

[muted mantle]

mmmmm ultrakill

[dusty river]

she judgement on my creature of steel till I'm free at last

[rose cape]

delicious ultrakill

[dusty river]

delicious blood for the war machine

[dusty river]

how about

Total Shutdown - Common/Uncommon?
If played hand contains a Micro card, destroy played hand

?

[rose cape]

we love destroying

[rose cape]

square root

[dusty river]

gn y'all, I is sleep

[night prism]

this is amazing

[night prism]

wouldn't it make more sense for it just to be the art for v1?

tho v1 is a legendary now that i think about it, so this doesn't work for it, unless we make it absurd i guess

[static finch]

absolutely glorious

[dusty river]

I am awake :3

@static finch have u seen this? seems like what u were talking about the other day
#1353866504743161886 message

[static finch]

oh crap

i completely forgot about that

i wanted to check it out before i even went to london

[night prism]

@dusty river where did you find that goated artist?

[dusty river]

in the slay the spire discord, specifically, in the server for the mod Fabricate

I told them I was making a balatro mod, they asked if they could do art

[night prism]

peak

sts players do be based like that

[static finch]

real

anyway i want to announce if have created an Xchips build

[night prism]

not a single prism joker 0/10

[static finch]

avoided them on purpose

[night prism]

ok, 1/10 just for jankman

[night prism]

mean

[static finch]

you got no chips jokers

[night prism]

motherboard, occultist

also, every joker is a chips joker with reverse card

[static finch]

i don't have reverse card and that would turn my chip build in a mult build

[night prism]

but it could turn mult jokers into chips jokers

[dusty river]

I kinda wanna rework the tree jokers, I feel they might be a tad too bland :<

[static finch]

not everything has to be hypercomplicated and flashy

[dusty river]

current idea is to maybe swap "end of round" with "when opening a booster pack"

[static finch]

hell look at absurd joker

[dusty river]

I know, only thing is, I only feel like this, cuz there's like, 8 tree jokers lol

you know, I'm wrong actually

it's a placebo from a different issue I think

I think it's litteraly just Tree(3) I'm upset with, the ^^^ is insane lol, might nerf it to just be ^

either that or

swap the ^^^3 for ^^^1.03, like I did with polydimensional

what's y'alls thoughts on this?

[static finch]

tbf it doesn't change much

to me at least

[dusty river]

some absurd jonkers :3

[static finch]

what's the oops all 20s a ref to

[dusty river]

20 sided dice, it's a refrence to oops all sixes, a balatro joker

[static finch]

bruh

okay better question

(i forgot d&d existed btw)

why only x6

why the 20s in the boosters

just make it x20

[night prism]

why?

oops all 6s is just x2

if anything x6 is already too strong

[static finch]

i guess but i just find the 2 effects barely related to the joker

[night prism]

all vanilla chances are less than 1 in 6, except the wheel boss blind

this basically makes all chances guaranteed

[dusty river]

I was trying to make it work for an Absurd rarity version of oops all 6s

[night prism]

garbshit has a joker that does that only for one hand, and it's legendary

this is better than that one

and of a lower rarity

[night prism]

i think x3 chances is already enough

thats 2 times oops all 6s

[dusty river]

u mean x4 ?

[night prism]

no

oops increases chances by 1

x3 increases them by 2

[static finch]

so uh

i just think the 20s effect doesn't have much to do with the theming

[night prism]

well, they are all 20s i guess

[dusty river]

yeah, like I said, I was trying to make it work with absurd lmao

[night prism]

but mechanically it has little to do with it yeah

[dusty river]

I would've made it just the "x6" but

I thought it would've been to little, lol

[night prism]

i don't think so

if u want it to have only one effect then x4 should be fine

maybe too strong even

[dusty river]

I mean, think of it this way

oops all 6s is uncommon

so, like, x4 would be like, having 2 uncommons?

[night prism]

yes and no

oops scales exponentially

so having 2 of them is really like having 3

this is basically 3 oops all 6s

which may be fine for an absurd

[dusty river]

I just think that absurd should have a bit more power than, just, that of equivilance to a single uncommon and an anhk card, lol

(I'm not getting to heated here, am I?)

[night prism]

but this is way better than that

[static finch]

yeah

[night prism]

ankh has a big downside

and it takes 2 joker slots

even most legedaries are worse than 2 rares honestly

[dusty river]

mhh

like, look at this tho

[night prism]

heck, 2 holograms are better than most legendaries

[dusty river]

these 2 are absurds, for refrence

[night prism]

those are legendary level imo

absurd should be below that

[dusty river]

reminder of the effect that absurd was born from

[night prism]

this is fine

[dusty river]

I think most absurds are around this level, or higher, atm, lol

I mean, woah is, like, x10 as powerful as wee, right?

well, not x10, as 20s are harder to get and are balanced around that, but

still

idk, lmao 😭

[dusty river]

Things are real chaotic rn at home, so probs won't do much today :<

[eager knot]

game crashes when opening a augment card

[static finch]

how weird

also woo someone is using this thing?

incredible

@night prism ?

[night prism]

mh

no idea

they work perfectly fine on my end

[static finch]

which augment was it @eager knot

also send the log?

[rose cape]

hi

[static finch]

you should definitely put a link to the mod on your bio

cause that art is super great

[rose cape]

maybe once i make more things

but thank you

[night prism]

for that obviously, nothing to do with us getting free advertisement

[static finch]

nooooo

[static finch]

if you wanna

you get to make an oc too because I am definitely not stealing this idea

[night prism]

what idea?

[static finch]

"everyone I like gets an oc"

sounds familiar?

[night prism]

well

i guess it works

dunno about the quality of the results tho

[static finch]

I was half joking

[night prism]

i know friend

i know

jimbo_spin

[dusty river]

gppd morning everyone lmao

slept midday again lol

[static finch]

me fr fr

(jk didn't do that in 15 years because I like staying awake 18 hours a day at least)

[night prism]

"morning"

Isn't it the middle of the afternoon for you?

[dusty river]

yeah lmao

happy 4:00 pm lmao

[night prism]

man, I genuinely don't get people that sleep during the day

I already don't sleep at night

[night prism]

So you never did it then?

omg, vampirica reference?

[night prism]

we adding this? https://www.reddit.com/r/balatro/comments/1kgdqk6/new_stake_idea/

[dusty river]

lmaooo

[night prism]

we don't have enough bad puns in this mod

[dusty river]

I think Pink paint is working with any color of paint for some reason rn

instead of only gaining value from the amount of Pink paints

[night prism]

we need both an "ornithopter" joker and an "oops, all ornithopters" joker https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pddm1gbBuWE

[night prism]

fixing it asap

[night prism]

try it now

[dusty river]

works 👍 :>

[night prism]

now you can't copy the omega and alpha ranks and suit anymore

there should be no way of giving these to normal cards now

[dusty river]

horray

[dusty river]

I'm off to crash my balatro lmao, I'm gonna try bunco, lol

it crashed on launch lol

wasn't meant to be lol

[night prism]

peak bunco experiece

[dusty river]

bunco up here crashing it, and by "it" well, let's just say, my balatro game

lmao

[night prism]

Oh, I know this crash log very well

Haven't managed to get bunco to work in months

[dusty river]

lol

should I report to the bunco chat, I assume?

[night prism]

they know

This issue has been there since forever

[dusty river]

😭 oh

[night prism]

Bunco isn't that good anyway imo

[dusty river]

i just wanted to try it lol, I saw there was crossmod between it and paperback

[night prism]

Didn't know that

Well, there should be cross mod with prism too, if I could fucking use it without exploding my game

[dusty river]

there's checks for the bunco suits in here

[dusty river]

do we know what the issue is even 😭 or does this just happen, lol

[night prism]

Oh yeah, I knew this

This isn't really cross mod content

It isn't content at all

Just mechanical compatibility

[dusty river]

like, is this an incompat with a specific mod, or

[night prism]

Some syntax error caused by lovely patches I think

Probably mod conflict

But it seems to conflict with every fucking mod

[dusty river]

lmaoo

[night prism]

As I tried a lot of combinations but it still crashes

[dusty river]

one thing I like from looking in the wiki is, the rarity of said suits, I actually quite dislike when mods try to make extra suits into, like, a common thing, I think it's more interesting having them be rarer, and other things w that too I like that I can't fully describe rn lmao, brain is at 40% rn lol

like, paperback is really cool, but the extra suits are a bit too common imo, and a lot of the jokers that work with it are gated by having the cards in deck for some reason lol, just ends up being pool bloat a lot for me

(only just realized this may be a bug, lol)

[night prism]

Isn't it the opposite of pool bloat as they only appear if you have the suits?

[dusty river]

no no no no

[night prism]

They would bloat the pool If they weren't gated

[dusty river]

the paperback ones ARE APPEARING without them

for me

[night prism]

No they are not

[dusty river]

for me they are for some reason lol

[night prism]

Unless u have some weird bug going on

[dusty river]

a couple runs back I drew "Rock Candy" from a judgement

if that's the right name of the joker

[night prism]

This is weird

Even my paperback pizzas are gated

[dusty river]

hmm, actually, I have an idea here

it might be the whole Wild Card thing I was talking about earlier, hmm

I may've had a wild card that run

[night prism]

Idk if wild cards count honestly

[dusty river]

(I still want to see a mod which reworks wild cards to only count base suits, I hate 5 wild cards being a spectrum)

[night prism]

This is a nerf in most situations tho

[dusty river]

it is

but like

also not, I guess? idk

[night prism]

Well, wild cards aren't very good for flushes anyway

U should play around that

[dusty river]

having a single wild card making your pool bloat and making suits which are supposed to be rare common af is just too chaotic imo

[night prism]

Since you are aware of how they work

[dusty river]

like, I honestly have wanted to add new suits myself, but, wild cards discouraged me

cuz a "Primordial Suit" or "Primordial Rank" should not be easily made by a single tarot lol

which is why the only use of these concepts atm is alpha and omega

since they are also considered enhancements, which allows more control over this stuff

[night prism]

Btw wild cards don't add to the pool

Just checked the code

[dusty river]

hmm, so the thing from before WAS a bug then

hmm

[night prism]

Genuinely, why?

None of the issues you listed apply to this mod

[dusty river]

"cuz a "Primordial Suit" or "Primordial Rank" should not be easily made by a single tarot lol"

[night prism]

We have no spectrums and we can make the jokers depend on having the actual suit in deck

[night prism]

Then don't make the tarot?

Who's forcing you lol

[dusty river]

no I mean like

u misunderstand, lol

[night prism]

O, I get what u mean

[dusty river]

lets say I had a new "Skulls" suit, which was primordial rarity, right?

and a joker gave "^2 Chips whenever a Skulls is scored"

that'd count wild cards too

[night prism]

Well, this isn't really what suits are meant to be

This is why alpha and omega are enhancements

[dusty river]

then most mods additions of extra suits are stupid lmaoo 😭

[night prism]

They aren't

They don't have op jokers for them

[dusty river]

both bunco and paperback balance their suits as stronger than base suits

[night prism]

Yeah

Since they are rarer

Wild cards also are rarer than base suit cards

[dusty river]

but with wild cards, they also gain whatever bonus that suit has

[night prism]

And?

What's the issue

Wild cards being slightly stronger than non wild cards seems reasonable to me

[dusty river]

fair

I guess

[night prism]

And you still need the actual suits for those strong jokers to show up

[dusty river]

I just feel like the way wild cards work currently are a little limiting, I like the idea of making new suits and stuff which have different strengths than normal

[night prism]

Well, you are making a mod, not a new game, obviously it's limiting

Modding requires you to live with the choices of the dev

Since wild cards work like this we can't make super op suits, but that's fine

We can find workarounds to this

Like with greek suit being an enhancement

[dusty river]

mhhh

I could see this maybe

I wonder- how do the nothing suits work?

cuz, from what u've said, I think we might be able to make a suit which is actually exempt from wild cards somehow, no?

[night prism]

If a card has that suit, it counts as no suit

[night prism]

This is not an issue code wise whatsoever

It's very easy to code

[dusty river]

waaaiiit, I have an awesome idea here actually

[night prism]

It's more of a game mechanic issue

I think wild cards should count as all suits for consistency

But we can find other ways of making those suits strong

[dusty river]

hmmm

I'm trying to think on this stuffs here, idk, hmm

you know, plenty of mods add editions that only work on jokers, if I made an edition that did this sort of suit modification stuff for primordials maybe... I have some ideas cooking here, hehehe

(unrelated, but I might tank Joker 64 lol, I feel like having an entire page for a single joker may have been a tad much lmaoo 😭)

[night prism]

Rn it just feels like having a lot of different jokers

Since the effect can't change during a run

[dusty river]

OOO I could make the new effect for it work w the new face cards!

[night prism]

Damn, I forgot about those

[dusty river]

yeah, we need some jonkers for them, lol

(we should make a new deck later which includes all the face cards, macro cards, and micro cards, lol)

[night prism]

We have too much shit planned lol

Better to focus on one at a time

[dusty river]

I think we might need to look at what we were talking about before, and keep on one topic mostly till it's done lol

[dusty river]

this lol

[static finch]

i tried now but

couldn't

regardless I am back in the motherland

[night prism]

I'd say, let's try to avoid adding new stuff until all the primers and augments are done

[night prism]

My condolences

That's why you were so quiet, plane mode had taken you

[dusty river]

speaking of, how would I add "Clay Ball"? :3

[static finch]

real

[static finch]

ingest one and think of an effect

[night prism]

Never did anything like that actually

[static finch]

I prefer shittiness I"m used to

never going to London again

[night prism]

I'd look at how speculo does it

And use the function I made to add the tweak

[night prism]

Why, it's great

[static finch]

I didn't like it

[night prism]

I went there once and I'd love to do it again

[night prism]

You spent 7 hours inside the gungeon the other day

You are insane <3

[dusty river]

I might actually wait on this lol, I'm gonna make another primer I thinks maybe

waiiiit actually

there's 3 new augments I could make, none of which even have a tweak with them

[static finch]

I had a fever and couldn't do much

also I have like 600 hours on that

[dusty river]

I could probably make them way easier

[night prism]

real

gn chat

[dusty river]

gn princess

[static finch]

me frrrr

[static finch]

https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1369418784552521851 dammit i was beaten to the punch

[night prism]

First they do art for us, then they stab us in the back

deplorable

[static finch]

absolute travesty

blind moment

[night prism]

The joker that makes playing at higher res a mechanical advantage

[static finch]

"what do you mean my 4:3 cathode ray tv sucks"

[night prism]

Like terraria where zenith has a longer range if u play on a bigger screen

Or hollow knight where a few enemies are faster at higher fps for some reason

[random ridge]

me when i don’t use fixed updates 💔

[static finch]

me when a last fractal mod fucked over everything if you had your game over 30 fps

[night prism]

https://www.reddit.com/r/coaxedintoasnafu/comments/1kgvzn0/coaxed_into_rarity_systems/ @dusty river

[static finch]

IS THAT A COAXED REFERENCE?

[eager knot]

i meant pack

[static finch]

figures

[dusty river]

no 7th? 😔

[dusty river]

can you send the crash log?

[eager knot]

okay im gonna try to get it again

[eager knot]

sorry for late response

[night prism]

man, i'm so stupid

fixing this asap

[night prism]

it's fixed now

[static finch]

YOUR FAULT

HAHAHHAAA

[dusty river]

can't wait to see how this turns out :3

[night prism]

how did you get it like this?

[dusty river]

dongtong from all in jest :3

[static finch]

:3

[night prism]

you need a shotout?

[dusty river]

yippee

[static finch]

why is my name not in the credits

i should be there just because

/j

[night prism]

make italian localization if u want to be there

[dusty river]

omg...

[night prism]

it's the easier way for you to do it

[static finch]

YOU'RE FUCKING ITALIAN

you have no use for me

[night prism]

i don't care about localizing

[static finch]

ah

okay makes sense

anyway i was joking so :3

[night prism]

this is natural selection

if u are italian and don't know english, adapt or die

[static finch]

okay but

this has nothing to do with you not wanting to localize

[night prism]

i'm part of the natural selection

i'm the predator that kills the poorly adapted

ok, this sounds like a shitty marvel villain talking

sorry

[static finch]

real

[static finch]

sure why don't you kiss girls instead

that'd be productive

and

would stop you fro making these cringy monologues ever again :3

[night prism]

i do it while monologueing

my hands are free to type while i do

[static finch]

blindtyping

literally me

also send proof

[night prism]

jokes aside, there's a way you can get into the credits

i'm adding achievements to prism, and need a few ideas

[static finch]

hm

an achievement for having all base pizzas at once?

[night prism]

i'd also like to add some content for morefluff, as it added a color for myth cards

[night prism]

i thought about this myself

i'm probably adding a "stoner" achievement for having a hand of only stone cards and the metalhead joker

i actually have so many stone related puns i could add lol

[static finch]

put a rock on that

[night prism]

"Gay pride" for having 5 polychrome jokers

Shork is gonna help for that

[static finch]

what about hrt for having all trans jokers

[night prism]

I'm probably making them into the same achievement

[night prism]

Actually that one is gonna be called mil0meg4

[static finch]

ay thanks

but what about railgun

eh eepy princess?

[night prism]

I'm adding one for starting the game with 100 mods installed

[static finch]

"startup century"

[night prism]

Not even you can get it

[static finch]

literally gmod moment

[night prism]

A communist one for Econ 101

[static finch]

GLORY COMRADE

also

why do you all call it econ

just call it eco

[night prism]

Economy -> econ

Ecology -> eco

mil0meg4 -> gay

[static finch]

that's not an abbreviation

also thanks captain ob(i)vious

[static finch]

idc

[night prism]

Everyone says econ

And language is a democracy

So shut up loser

[dusty river]

@night prism how would I get this to work? I tried to do it myself while u was asleep, but it didn't work lmao

[static finch]

the will of the majority is always the worst

everyone is dumb in a democracy

as the USA proves

[night prism]

don't use anva_divine = true, but set_edition("e_anva_divine", true)

[dusty river]

okey 👍

took the code from the new gabe, lol

[night prism]

that wording only works for vanilla editions afaik

[night prism]

does it work on gabe?, if yes then i might be wrong

[night prism]

anyway, there's a way bigger issue with this code

[dusty river]

I'm assuming the way I made globals was wrong lol

[night prism]

yeah

rn it's set to 0 wenever you start the game

it carries trough runs

and resets if u restart the game mid run

for run specific globals you must use G.GAME

so G.GAME.tinfoil_count

and you must initialize it here

it's inside of main.lua

[dusty river]

oh, okey, I'll move it

[night prism]

also, change it to G.GAME.tinfoil_count = (G.GAME.tinfoil_count or 0) + 1

so if the value is missing it sets it to 0

but, i'm not sure how this is meant to work, rn it does nothing on first use and then works normally

the wording is unclear

[dusty river]

lmaoo, it's meant to set to zero after success lmao, I forgor 😭

[night prism]

ok, i'd reword it to "on every other use" then

also, i'd change the structure of the code a bit so we can add a tooltip that says if it's active or not

because i'm not remembering that otherwise

[dusty river]

doesn't apply the edition :<

[dusty river]

not sure how, but I agree on this

[night prism]

it's v:set_edition

: not .

[dusty river]

ahh okey

[night prism]

make the global a bool instead of a number

check if it's true, if yes apply edition and set it to false, else set it to true

[night prism]

do you get what i mean here?

[dusty river]

I do, but I'm not sure the reasons why

[night prism]

so we know if it triggers before checking already

since rn it changes the var before the check

that way we just check if the var is true and display the tooltip

[dusty river]

ahh okey

[night prism]

also i'd make so you can always use it if the var is false, even without selecting any joker

inside of can_use add not G.GAME.tinfoil_count or at the start of the return

so if not G.GAME.tinfoil_count it always returns true

[dusty river]

I'm sorry, um, I dealing w a lot mentally rn, I don't know if I can do this rn :<

I commited what I have atm and set the in_pool to false for now

[night prism]

are you sure you pushed?

because i see no commit

[dusty river]

I think I forgot to push, haha

good now?

[night prism]

good

i fixed it, you only missed a line really to make it work

also, no need to check var == false, just use not var

it's slightly different, but the same in most cases

as not var works both if var == false and var == nil

same way, if var then works if var ~= false and var ~= nil

so it still returns true if var == 5 for example

[dusty river]

interesting

I made some vent art to deal with whatever nonsense I can't understand that's going on in my head lol, so I'm doing a bit better now

this vent art looks more like oc art lmaooo 😭

it's fire tbh

[night prism]

vent art lol

[dusty river]

but i find it a lil funny cuz I know it's vent art, but it looks like something I'd show someone before handing them a 20 page character lore sheet lmao

[night prism]

i do this too, but instead of art i play guitar

[night prism]

i wanna see it so bad now lol

[dusty river]

I even had a name in mind here

only art I've done with one, and the reason is that the phrase kept coming to mind while drawing this

"The Death of a Dragon"

[night prism]

fire art tho

[dusty river]

thanku :>

[night prism]

this is the first thing that came to mind lol

not sure why

[night prism]

we probably need to address the fact that with so many legendaries planned The Soul will be too unconsistent

[dusty river]

I mean, tbf, most modded games will do that

[night prism]

well, it depends on how many mods you have

[static finch]

just make more ways for the sould to pop up

[dusty river]

cryptid adds 4, prism adds 2, all in jest adds a full page, etc

[static finch]

or let's make a new soul thingy like lucky rabbit

[night prism]

this is what i was thinking

cryptid adds almost 200 jokers, but only 4 legendaries, and for a reason

[static finch]

well

[night prism]

considering many of the legendaries having very specific applications, having too many makes the soul useless very often

[static finch]

autism gem

[static finch]

yeah

[night prism]

i think legendaries in general should have pretty broad use cases

[dusty river]

I mean, yeah, but 4 almost doubles it,

[dusty river]

also, don't most base game jokers not apply here?

[night prism]

we have 20 or so planned lol

[dusty river]

tribulet requires queens and kings specifically

[night prism]

yeah, but they are only 5

so even if 2 of them are specific its still unlikely to get an useless one

also, except trib they all work in all build honestly

[dusty river]

I do agree kinda tbh, but like

this is a problem most mods encure, maybe not on their own, but definantly when added up together

[static finch]

chicot

sucks

[night prism]

honestly, most mods had very few legendaries

[static finch]

my modest opinion

[dusty river]

what 😭

[static finch]

just make a stupid little soul copy and slam it as a super rare in our packs

[night prism]

it's the only one that works for all builds

[static finch]

I WAS JOKING

[night prism]

it's literally the most versatile

probably the most versatile joker in the whole game actually, funnily enough

[static finch]

Clueless~1

[night prism]

i like chicot tho

[static finch]

you dare even slander my beloved constellation

[dusty river]

but like, I feel as if, with this, there should be a thing that makes soul only give base game legendaries at this rate, or something, idk

[night prism]

i do sell him half of the time i get him

but the other half is fun

[static finch]

it'd be weird

for all the other mods that balance around that

[dusty river]

cuz like, in my game at least, these 20+ legendaries we have wouldn't make a dent lmao

[night prism]

what?

20 is a lot

[dusty river]

yeah, but I have soooo many legendaries

[static finch]

omg literally me

[night prism]

it's twice as many i usually play with

[static finch]

(i will put t azazel as an oc somehow, believe me)

[night prism]

you can't balance around people having 50 mods tho

[static finch]

or 60 :3

[dusty river]

all in jest adds 15 on it's own

[night prism]

which is wild

[dusty river]

I know, but that's what I was saying before

[night prism]

i will probably disable some when i play it

[dusty river]

like, this is a problem not unique to this mod

[night prism]

no, but just because other mods have it too doesn't mean it's fine

[dusty river]

which is why, my suggestion, was that we add something which makes the soul not work the way it does currently, maybe as a config

what if, we made it instead create a legendary booster pack?

1 out of 3 legendaries?

[night prism]

but why retcon the whole soul, rather than just change how our legendaries work?

[dusty river]

because this problem is way larger than just our mod? 😭

[static finch]

more joker packs did that

[dusty river]

like, I agree w u here

[dusty river]

I know, that's what gave me the idea

[static finch]

i still think a rare chance to get soul-tier consumables that spawn our legendaries would be the best thing

[dusty river]

just make it so that, the soul card makes a free legendary booster pack

[night prism]

well, it's not our job to fix other mods tho, we can make another one just for that

so people can chose to use it even without vampirica

i wouldn't mess with other mods' balance

[dusty river]

I mean, with this in mind, that'd still cause problems, litteraly the only way to fix this otherwise is to remove some legendaries

it's like you were saying

15 legendaries from all in jest is too much for you

so having a new consumable even

would lead to a pool of 20 jokers, still

[night prism]

20 isn't too insane

[static finch]

how would this cause problems

[dusty river]

so unless we make 4 new rare consumables and split em up lmao

[night prism]

if it doesn't add to other mods

[static finch]

well considering if we powercreep this enough it won't be an issue we should do that :3

[dusty river]

😭 I'm confused, are we balancing around having a ton of mods or not lmao

[night prism]

both

it should be balanced in both cases

what i'm saying is that

if you have 50 mods our 20 jokers make no difference

but if u have a different pool it works regardless of the amount on mods

[static finch]

uuuuh

[dusty river]

this should all be config stuff imo, all of our ideas we put here all make sense, but at different levels of mod pool size

[static finch]

make their spawn chances reduce gradually based on number of enabled mods?

[night prism]

we can do both

[dusty river]

also, are they even legandaries at that point? lmao

[night prism]

what, to make them even more unconsistent?

[dusty river]

like, the soul is the defining trait of legendaries, no?

[night prism]

well, my solution would be just to cut some, but i know you wouldn't like that

even though, we have absurd now, which can take some of them

[dusty river]

I still like my soul rework idea

where it gives you a choice between multiple different jokers

[night prism]

i like it too

[dusty river]

that would be the best one imo

[night prism]

but i don't like that it messes with other mods, because then we must make it a config, which still has the issue of being unbalanced if you leave it off

[dusty river]

howso? it leaves the balance up to the player, no?

[night prism]

yes

[static finch]

YES

[night prism]

which means that it can still be unbalanced

[static finch]

oh nooo

giving options and complaning when someone uses themmmm

[dusty river]

25 legendaries for those without too many mods, a pack for 1 of 3 legends for people with more mods

[static finch]

travestyyyy

[night prism]

i'm not talking power level wise

[static finch]

what then

[night prism]

it not being fun to play

this is the only thing i care for

[dusty river]

what are u speaking of here?

I don't understand what u mean, lol

[night prism]

it's not fun to always get a legendary that has nothing to do with what you are doing

[dusty river]

yeah, which is why we want the configs

no?

[night prism]

yeah

[dusty river]

what did you mean by this, then?

[night prism]

but ideally both option should be fun

and i'm of the philosophy that no matters what the players chose, that game should be fun and balanced regardless

becasue players aren't gamedesigners

and don't actually know what's fun and balanced themselves

it's the dev's job to care about that

[dusty river]

celeste has an option to let you have infinite jumps, should it be removed cuz it allows people to "cheat"?

it's a difficulty option, if someone wants the game to be easier, they can make it so

[night prism]

what has this to do with anything lol😭

[dusty river]

it's accibility

[night prism]

difficulty options are fine lol

i like them

[dusty river]

what doesn't it? I'm still not aware of what ur point is here, lol

[dusty river]

how is this config idea not that 😭

[static finch]

that configs are necessary but then practically nothing would show up unless you interact with it?

[dusty river]

the reason why the config exists is for if players have too many mods or too little mods

that was the whole point lmao

you said 25 was fine if you were playing with only vampirica, but the 1 out of 3 would be too much

too many mods, the oppisite is true

which is why it should be a config, right?

I'm so lost at what ur trying to say here, lmao

[night prism]

the issue is that, a difficulty option are about preference and accessibility, no matter what you chose, the game works fine and is fun, as the dev's put effort balancing both options

[dusty river]

whuh 😭

I litteraly mentioned infinite jumps celeste

play infinite jumps celeste

it's not gonna be fun, if you don't need it

[night prism]

well yes, but no one will because of that

this is a more subtle difference

but also

i don't really care much lol

i'm just very perfectionist about stuff really

but i know this isn't a big difference either way

[dusty river]

the config is litteraly the best option here, lmao, I don't know what else we could do lol

[night prism]

like, the idea is great, but i always try to achieve perfection, which is a fault of mine

[night prism]

i kinda agree

[dusty river]

imagine if cryptid team said "M jokers make the game more balanced, so let's make them required " everyone would hate them lmao (I know this wouldn't make sense for them to say, but you get my point, right?)

[night prism]

i'm trying to think for alternatives but i don't have much ideas

[night prism]

this has nothing to do with what i'm saying, but regardless

we will make the config

at least this is where i'm at rn

[dusty river]

ok

[night prism]

i'm sorry if i'm being annoying here lol

[static finch]

many*

[static finch]

i just don't see your complaint's reasoning

like

just make it

like this

it's perfectly fine

[night prism]

i think this is more rooted into deeper game design concepts

tbh, none of us are game designers here

so we are probably making so many mistakes already

[dusty river]

I'm into game design, I've watched an everyloving fuckton of vids on it

[night prism]

but i also feel bad game design has ruined so many possibly great mods already

[dusty river]

and the thing is, yes, people will mess with game design in ways that ruin their own game, you can see that in this game's save scumming

but also

giving people their own tools to balance the way they like to play is useful

it's nice

[night prism]

i've also watched many videos about astrophysics too, but nasa still hasn't hired me yet

i mean none of us are professionals

[dusty river]

and who is? the guy who got a degree and made fucking fallout 76? lmao

aaa sucks lol

[static finch]

devmode is so tempting in rw but nobody's doubting about it

[night prism]

real

[static finch]

HEYA THIS IS 16 TIMES THE DETAIL

IT JUST WORKS

[night prism]

anyway, i feel this are the type of things that need a lot of thought put into them, not arguing in chat

this is a very not productive way of doing stuff

[dusty river]

I mean, yeah, but like, I don't see how this is bad in any way, or how celeste infinite jumps is better, or how ultrakill timeslow x0.1 is better, I just, don't get ur point lol

I'm lost lol

[night prism]

then i'm not gonna explain it anymore i guess

[dusty river]

ok then, I guess

I don't know lol, I'm just confused af lol

like, I like the difficulty settings that ultrakill and celeste have, I love them in fact

they let so many people play those games and grow to love them

ones that wouldn't be able to otherwise

[night prism]

this has nothing to do with difficulty tho

[dusty river]

but like, every point you've made about this can also be applied to those

[night prism]

i don't think it can

anyway, i said i wasn't gonna argue anymore

[dusty river]

if someone wanted, they could just go "Hey I beat celeste in, like, a single sitting, it wasn't that hard lol" and just, set infinite jumps on, or maybe the oppisite, I've seen people say a game was way too hard and needed to be easier while refusing to use said options which already existed

people will always optimize the fun out of a game, people just do that, we can't account for those people, it drives gamedevs insane and removes some of the most fun parts of games

I still remember valve devs talking about their "maze-like world design"

[night prism]

another thing i thought about

is't primordials being super expensive kinda bad?

like, half the time you find them you wont have the money to buy them

they already are very rare

[dusty river]

I only set them to be that for the ones that don't appear in shop lol

[night prism]

oh?

[dusty river]

don't forget, only sigma is supposed to show up naturally

[night prism]

how much will the other cost then?

[dusty river]

out of the prims we have coded atm anyways

[night prism]

how much does sigma cost?

[dusty river]

I'm not sure lol, it may be too much atm, I'm not aware tho

it's 10, not crazy imo

about the same as ur average cryptid epic joker

cheaper actually

[night prism]

10 is pretty low actually

i'd make it 15

[dusty river]

it should be 15 at least yeah

[night prism]

so it's more than blueprint at least

you always have 15 by the late antes anyway

[dusty river]

commited new cost

also, the death card was never added to the primer list lol

twin ends couldn't be formed lol

[night prism]

another use for ANVA.literally_me_fr

i used 1% of the insanity of cryptid's function names to name this one

[dusty river]

lol, hehe

[static finch]

ANVA.transition should be one

[night prism]

question, why are almost all planars from video games, but not all?

i could see why only games

but if it's not only that, why are we adding so little non-game stuff?

[dusty river]

which ones are non-game?

[static finch]

games good

[night prism]

YGO and MTG technically count as videogames i guess

hgttg doesn't

[dusty river]

it's not just games, it's, like, any fictional world

games, tv shows, animes, etc

[night prism]

yea, this is what i thought

[static finch]

let's make an irl planar series

[night prism]

then why did we add almost only games?

[static finch]

(this is a horrible idea actually)

[dusty river]

it's what my autism is geared toward mostly, lol

[static finch]

bcause

literally what she said

[night prism]

i guess

[static finch]

what'd you expect

[dusty river]

I could add more anime ones tbh