Resurgence (WIP) - Primordial Arts

[static finch]

and i've got STUFF in mind

[night prism]

in general

[static finch]

it'd be rare AND powerful, ideally

during blinds duuuh

[night prism]

when would u use them?

[night prism]

why?

[static finch]

that's the most fitting for an action card

no?

my idea is

random effect from a pool when drawn

[night prism]

yes, but game design wise it does not work imo

[static finch]

but it's stuff like,

-40% blind size, or disables bosses, +2 hands, +4 discards and the like

[night prism]

because if u use them to save you, you will just die next round

[static finch]

it's to use in a pinch not to spam

codex' cards fail because they're weak so you use multiple

mine is a blind finisher to use when you fucked up/ are outta options not to carry you constantly

[night prism]

but like, even if they are strong

they save you

and then?

you have nothing more

you just die

[static finch]

well luchador is in and he works the same

[night prism]

ideally you would refill in the shop, but that requires them to be very common

[static finch]

maybe make them span an ante?

[static finch]

THAT'S WHAT I WANNA AVOID

[night prism]

luchador disables boss blinds

[static finch]

those could too

ideally

[night prism]

which can kill u regardless

[night prism]

one

[static finch]

not my point

[night prism]

the others?

[static finch]

i listed a whole bunch of effects

which now that i think about it would be fun to have a whole ante

[night prism]

they don't work imo

[static finch]

so it makes it easier for a while

[static finch]

hm

we'll see what railgun thinks

[night prism]

the one the reduces the requirements for example

if u can't meet the requirements now, you will not next round

unless u are against the wall i guess

[static finch]

the wall is cruel even for base game standards

[static finch]

oh come on

this is like playing cluelessly on purpose

hmmm

[night prism]

what?

[static finch]

what about making them extra rare and just permanent

none of that timed bullshit

[night prism]

well, it loses the flavor then

[static finch]

some action cards aren't permanent

but some are

[night prism]

i guess them being multi use could be good too

[static finch]

huh

a consumable not being consumed?

[night prism]

cosumed after 3 uses or something

so u have time to get new ones or improve your build

[static finch]

oh

makes sense

actually i like this

[night prism]

wotking like early game jokers

[static finch]

but it should change effect when you use one

they can get multiple but it's not guaranteed it's the same

[night prism]

why?

i think they can keep the same

[static finch]

not thematic

i guess a chance to change would be fun

even if there's like, 4 types per field

[night prism]

anyway, for now i think we are not in the condition to make more concepts

[static finch]

right

but i would've said that weeks ago

[night prism]

as the scope of the mod is expanding faster than we are adding stuff

i think getting all the augments first would be ideal

[static finch]

THE UNIVERSE COMMANDS IT SO

[night prism]

what should the sprite for life, the universe and everything be?

[static finch]

if you read the book

you'd say MICE

[night prism]

i did read the book, a while ago

[static finch]

well they're the ones controlling everything so

yk

[night prism]

nah, i don't like this

i think a more abstract thing would work

[static finch]

i guess

what else though

[dusty river]

i fell asleep midday :<
anyways, what i miss, lol

[night prism]

I made this

[dusty river]

OOOO NICE

[dusty river]

one thing is confusing me, why is it in this order, lmao 💀

like, why is 12 after 20, lol

[night prism]

The hell?

It was right for me

this is what it looks like for me

[dusty river]

weirddd

I should probably go in the sheet and add Mega/Macro to a bunch of the cards

[night prism]

i saw that in your previous screenshot too

maybe some mod you have causes this

also, i updated so that 11 shows after ace

it makes more sense that way

@dusty river try disabling the other mods and see if the order is still wrong

[dusty river]

you know, I think I will go with Macro and Micro
though, I do hope it doesn't cause visibility issues

[night prism]

@static finch if u can, check if the order is right for you

[static finch]

nope

i guess i can tomorrow?

to be fair i'm getting hung up in family stuff

yes, at 20 to midnight

can't even watch ygo in peace

[night prism]

yeah, no rush

the meaning was pretty different that way lol

[dusty river]

riiiiiiight, I forgot this was a thing, lmao

[night prism]

oh shit, i forgot to fix this

[night prism]

fixed

[dusty river]

what rarity do you think this'd be? common right?

[night prism]

probably

[static finch]

we need a Luce joker

[night prism]

nooo

[static finch]

she's not the pope, she's-

[night prism]

i was wishing she would win

[static finch]

who wasn't

[night prism]

also, i approve of luce

[static finch]

luce cute, brainwashing bad

[night prism]

real

[dusty river]

"propaganda pr-propaganda, I have a feeling, I'm not alone"

I trust her

[static finch]

trust me I do too

[dusty river]

miku 2024

[static finch]

better than that rotten orange and his cronies

[dusty river]

miku for goddess 2024

[static finch]

and 2025

and 26

[night prism]

a bit late for that i think

[static finch]

and 27

and forever

we also need a diplopia joker

[dusty river]

time travel 😎

[static finch]

YOU CAN'T WALK INTO A STORE AND BUY PLUTONIUM

[dusty river]

it's a simple effect too, I think we all know what it'd do

[static finch]

duh

[dusty river]

(assuming you mean issac refrence)

[night prism]

NOOO, paradoxes, so many paradoxes

[static finch]

DUH

[static finch]

if only I had doc with me I could've just fixed them with plot armor

[dusty river]

paradoxes aren't real dumbas- gets deleted from timeline

[night prism]

there's a me shaped hole in spacetime

[static finch]

determination

[static finch]

THIS IS MY HOLE

IT WAS MADE FOR ME

[static finch]

(imagine onetale)

[night prism]

such a low hanging fruit

get better material

[static finch]

it's a meme ref

[dusty river]

twotale

threetale

overtale

[static finch]

actually very correct

more than you think

[night prism]

shocking

[static finch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1181882990666731560.png?v=1&size=48&quality=lossless

[night prism]

also no, it's a reference to peak

[static finch]

it became a meme

so my area of competence

[static finch]

PIZZA

half of it is heresy

[night prism]

mine are better

[static finch]

real

[night prism]

also, you weren't convincing enough, that artist totally ignored us

[static finch]

uh

fuck me i guess

what could I do more without being annoying and unlikeable

why didn't you try if you were so good

[night prism]

relax, i'm joking

also i didn't dig their style much anyway

but an artist is an artist

[static finch]

oh

[static finch]

you ain't a fink

dig?

[night prism]

what's a fink now?

[static finch]

fallout new Vegas ref

as Benny speaks like 2 centuries out of date

[dusty river]

technically, everyone in fallout does, lmao

[night prism]

gen alpha slang is just african american slang from 100 years ago

so it's not unique

[static finch]

2 centuries outta date compared to everyone else

[night prism]

specifically jazz slang for some reason

i'm not sure why that's so influential lol

[static finch]

jazz good

slang popular

duh

[night prism]

stop with your jive now

[static finch]

where's heckyll

[dusty river]

u guys want another awful concept art, lmao
this one's slightly better, I promise, lol

[night prism]

i have wanted to add a reference to this song to prism for a while but i can't come up with a name that feels vanilla like lol

jive ass slippers is too much lol

[static finch]

mouthful

[night prism]

mingus was a master at writing song names lol

also this is like, top 10 best songs ever imo

[dusty river]

I can't believe you all want to see this so much, you are all so kind
cw: bad art lmao

[night prism]

lol

[dusty river]

the guy in the corner is just a refrence for what the outfit should look like lol

[night prism]

we need a reference joker

like, a poorly drawn joker with a beautiful one in the corner

expectations vs reality joker

[dusty river]

"Placeholder Art Joker: Common: +1 Mult, gains +1 Mult per card scored, resets after boss blind"

(not balanced in the slightest lol, came up with it as a joke in, like, 8 seconds, lol)

[static finch]

who is hee

[dusty river]

bartender

[static finch]

whelp

I will concept a pendulum joker

would be a bit more interesting

yes this is still about ygo

[dusty river]

with the shitty concept arts, I kinda just want to portray a vibe so someone way better at art can do something with it, lmao

[night prism]

why not him?

[dusty river]

"pass me another drink, bar tender" glass shatters

[static finch]

wasn't that about a crappy western game from 50 years ago

or something like that

[night prism]

you forgot "Sweeeeeeeshhh"

[night prism]

yeah

[static finch]

imagine if someone referenced western spaghetti

unthinkable

[night prism]

Does kino not have any Sergio Leone movie in it?

no way it does not

[static finch]

no idea

didn't play that in months

I know nothing about movies anyway

[night prism]

it doesn't :(

at least it's not on the wiki

[static finch]

"gains X0.1 mult per chips difference from highest to lowest played card in hand, resets when ante changes"

[night prism]

Ice shall pay with death for this

[static finch]

how's this

[night prism]

interesting

though replace ante changes with "after defeating boss blind"

[static finch]

uh

it's supposed to go off at ANY ante change not just hoss blinds

[night prism]

it seams a bit too strong maybe

[night prism]

why?

why does it matter?

[static finch]

because it'd affect petroglyph, cryptid's broken stuff and all those other shenanigans

[night prism]

also there's no context for changing ante

[static finch]

it'd be a rare

[static finch]

SHIT

[night prism]

i know, but why?

it's an edge case anyway

[static finch]

because something like numbers deck + the joke + a random ass mult joker could just win the game

[static finch]

I guess

but I want it to be shenanigan proof

at least if it was possible

[night prism]

but like, it already is?

what shenanigans can you pull?

you must defeat a boss every 3 blinds anyway

[static finch]

something like, just skipping bosses would work

[night prism]

how do you do that?

never seen a mod that does that

[static finch]

wait am I thinking of something else

oh damn I bamboozled myself

NEVERMIND

[dusty river]

mhh, actually, even accounting for if you had a 69 and a 1, you'd only get to about an x7 like this, which, sure is a shit ton, but not as much as you'd think, as it's pretty hard to get that specific senario, even numbers deck, a 20 and a 2 wouldn't even give x2 mult
it'd be fine without the ante change and making it a rare, I think

[night prism]

i like how it combos with macro ranks, 42 especially lol

[dusty river]

wait I'm stupid lol

it'd be x8 and x3 lol

[night prism]

that would be insane lol

without reset

[dusty river]

nononono, like

resets on boss blind but

not on any ante change

[static finch]

this is about pendulum summons so ya know

YGO

[night prism]

o, yeah

we already settled on this i think

[dusty river]

(I know nothing about yugioh lmao, no clue what this means lol)

[static finch]

okay so

super convoluted but simple explanation

you can only summon 1 lvl 4 or less monster from hand to field per turn

special summons ignore that (they're special for a reason)

[night prism]

i like the concept but not actually playing it

[static finch]

pendulum monsters go in special areas and have pendulum scales

if you have, say, 1 to 8 you can special summon lvl 2 to 7 monsters from hand or extra deck all in one go

once per turn

no limits

on the number

[night prism]

there are like, 100 special areas lol

[static finch]

nah

[dusty river]

hmm

[static finch]

AAAALSO

they have a normal effect when in play, have a special pendulum effect when used as pendulum scales and get sent to the extra deck when being destroyed normally instead of gy

but that's irrelevant

pendulum monsters are like, stupid complicated for no reason

[night prism]

we need to balance out this ygo takeover by adding even more mtg references

[static finch]

but I like them

[static finch]

which I never played

[dusty river]

I have an idea for what it could be, but it may be way out of what it should do, as I've never played ygo lol

[night prism]

You described all of YGO

that's why i don't like it

[static finch]

uh, spell/trap zone, monster zone, deck and extra deck, pendulum and gy

[static finch]

okay go play the 2000 something og version where there was nothing with more than 4 lines of text (rare) excluding the god cards which sucked anyway

[night prism]

it's so complicated but the complexity adds little depth

[static finch]

how'd you know that

you just said you don't play it

[night prism]

i did play it

[dusty river]

black lotus joker, tracks the first played card of each round's suit, then gives +mult whenever that suit is scored for the rest of blind, then resets

[night prism]

i don't anymore

[static finch]

how many thousands of years ago?

[static finch]

YOU KNOW WHICH OTHER GAME HAS BLACK LOTUS?

[night prism]

ancestral recall just draws 3 cards lol

[dusty river]

yes I do, lmao

[static finch]

tell me

[dusty river]

isaac's black lotus is a refrence to mtg

[static finch]

"I PLAY POT OF GREED, WHICH LETS ME DRAW 2 CARDA FROM MY DECK"

[static finch]

wrong game

D&DG

(gotcha there)

[night prism]

pot of greed is the worst designed card in card games history, you can't change my mind

[dusty river]

"I PLAY POT OF GREED, WHICH ALLOWS ME TO DRAW 3 CARDS FROM MY DECK"
"that's not what it does"
"That's what it do, yugi!"

[static finch]

what about my dear graceful charity

[static finch]

"THE HEART OF THE CARDS TOLD ME THIS"

"I AM DEFINITELY NOT GETTING CARRIED BY YAMI EVERY SINGLE TIME"

[night prism]

there is literally no reason not to put pot of greed in every deck

[static finch]

that's why they banned it lolz

also charity

well if all rules were nonexistent

banish decks and exodia pot decks would rule

[dusty river]

tbf, magic's shrine decks are utter hell to play against, lmao
it's a major reason I haven't played mtg in a while

[night prism]

magic has the fact that cards actually cost something

pot is free

[static finch]

y'all just go play legacy of the duelist duel links, pretty fun

[night prism]

it costs one card in hand, but gives 2 back

[dusty river]

not that it beats out pot of greed's design, ofc, just that mtg has it's own issues lol

[static finch]

card advantage

moment

[static finch]

thing has issue

omg

also pot of greed would suck in balatro

[night prism]

mental misstep totally reasonable card

[dusty river]

remember how they added stickers to mtg? wild era we live in mtg wise lol

[night prism]

time walk, nothing to see here

[static finch]

everybody freaked out so hard about pendulums

did ya know

[night prism]

in the non silver bordered silver bordered set

[static finch]

also I still have no idea how link summons work

[night prism]

i misspelled so bad lol

[static finch]

me fr

board

[dusty river]

yup, I watched a video online that showed there's an infinite combo that lets you apply and remove stickers from your opponents cards over and over for as long as you want lmao, literal irl card destruction deck

guy made it just to show how stupid the stickers were

[night prism]

lol

ante is back in the game after 30 years

[static finch]

is that a balatro reference (this is an unfounded crappy joke and I have no idea what you're on about :3 )

[dusty river]

lmao

[night prism]

ante was an old mtg mechanic where the winner would get some cards from the looser

[dusty river]

basically, mtg used to be gambling forever ago, ante was the cards you offered to the winning player before hand in case they won, I believe

[static finch]

oh my god joey is that you

was it battle city or duelist kingdom

[night prism]

and some cards could manipulate that in game lol

[static finch]

that sounds like hell

[night prism]

also, can you guess why this got banned?

[static finch]

I CAST RACISM

[dusty river]

one thing I love about yugioh, lore wise, is how the whole ass world is built around this one fucking card game, wanna escape cops? beat them at a card game. wanna own a resturant? beat it's owner at a card game. wanna be a president? beat the current president at a card game.

[night prism]

the flavor text makes it even worse lol

[static finch]

and the MC syndrome makes them always win no matter what

[dusty river]

I only know about this because of SolidJJ videos, lol

[static finch]

"OH MY GOD HOLY SHIT A NEW CARD JUST MANIFESTED OUTTA NOWHERE"

[static finch]

thank kaiba corp

[static finch]

I have several questions

[night prism]

the fact this page exists is so funny

[dusty river]

there's litteraly a slur in one of the names lmaooo

[static finch]

see this is why I like ygo

the racist caricatures are not that overt

[night prism]

this is so bad lol

[night prism]

mtg is like, the wokest game ever now though

it went full 180

[static finch]

killing those saints made christians a favor

[static finch]

did you see the designs and over-designs in ygo

[dusty river]

one thing I like about yugioh, is that misgendering your opponent is literally against the rules, I remember hearing someone lost a tournament cuz of them misgendering a trans woman and immediately getting kicked out lol

[static finch]

mfs were the most bisexual things possible

also there's that guy in GX really into electroshock

[night prism]

real

[static finch]

I PLAY QUICKSPELL WRATH OF THE GAYS

welllll I'll sleep soon

gotta binge more anime tomorrow as I have nothing better to do

[night prism]

tbf i think most mtg tournaments would kick you out too for that

[dusty river]

I PENDULUM SUMMON DARK MAGICIAN, AND DRAW 3 CARDS FROM MY DECK

[static finch]

depends

do you have the scales for it

also dark magician sucks

always has

Yugi's deck net him wins only cause he LITERALLY HAS PLOT ARMOR AS HIS SPECIAL THING

thousand knives SUCKS

all spellcaster support for dark magician SUCKS actually

dark magician girl is WAIFU BAIT AND SUCKS ASS

[night prism]

i want this dude

[static finch]

and I despise kuribos

[static finch]

4th wall break ass

[static finch]

"the meat has frequent visitors" ayo

[dusty river]

gn! :3

[night prism]

this one is one of my favs lol

[static finch]

was about to agree as I read girl

[static finch]

ugly fuck, deserved title

[dusty river]

🏳️‍⚧️ 🏳️‍⚧️ 🏳️‍⚧️ 🏳️‍⚧️

[static finch]

me when that one edition retrigger card

which I forgot the name of

[night prism]

peak card description

[static finch]

ah yes card buffer advanced

[night prism]

YGO levels here

[static finch]

my ass trying to comprehend why THEIR wasn't used

[night prism]

also god, i hate the his or hers from old mtg cards

[static finch]

mf this is simple

[dusty river]

hold on, I have a funny af card to show you for this lol, let me find it

[static finch]

I had to get magnifying glasses to read pendulums

read this, chump

wait a sec they buffed it

huh

if I dig around I probably have the original

[night prism]

this is my favorite one though

[static finch]

real but why is the art on these damn things so ugly

[night prism]

they are old cards lol

they had 3 bad artists at the time

[static finch]

READ THIS CHUMP PT 2

[dusty river]

I can't find it :<

[dusty river]

it was a funny custom magic card someone made that made you nonbinary, making you immune to any effects which said "his or her" as you would be neither "his" nor "her"

[night prism]

lol

[static finch]

so based

I need it

[night prism]

we adding this obv

[static finch]

the what

@night prism this is funny to me cause they typed this in fuckin 3 font size or something

[night prism]

we could actually reference this

[night prism]

lol

[dusty river]

gotta go, playing games w my fam :3

[night prism]

opening boosters during a blind sounds fun

[static finch]

real

ultimate gamble

well entropy lets you do that no

[night prism]

i forgot about this lol

[night prism]

a new place to steal code from

[static finch]

heh

[night prism]

so real

[night prism]

real

[static finch]

heh

know that card only cause of this

[night prism]

the wrestler type made just for this card lol

[static finch]

(this would break the game so hard lol)

[night prism]

so, just negate all effects then

seems reasonable

[static finch]

imagine if the random fuck with normal monsters showed up

Joey playstyle

[night prism]

the new meta

[static finch]

just draw polymerization and hope for the best

[night prism]

actually they should add this

i'd play the game if they did

[static finch]

(he has 1 copy in a deck full of monsters and like 3 spells)

[static finch]

HAHA

welllll gn for real

I gotta see what Yuya comes up with next

[night prism]

gn

i'll go make some macro ranks support jokers i guess

[static finch]

bruh

[night prism]

not now hopefully

i need to adjust my sleep schedule

at leas i don't wake up at 12 am

[static finch]

:3

I need my beauty sleep else I'll be a hag

[night prism]

i like hags

[static finch]

well I wanna be a twink not a hag

[night prism]

isn't she cute?

[night prism]

I changed the deck view code, now the ranks should be in the correct order

i'm still not sure it was my fault, but i noticed the order would be wrong if i changed the number of ranks in each column

so hopefully now it's all fine

[night prism]

@dusty river is the rank order right now?

[dusty river]

sorry, just woke up, will check soon 👍

[dusty river]

it is now a different wrong order, lmao, 11 is above 20 here lol

[night prism]

this is an issue with smods, definitely, but i can try to fix it maybe

anyway, do you have any ideas on the augment cards design?

[dusty river]

hmm? like visual wise?

[night prism]

yeah

[dusty river]

well, I have actually, one sec, let me find the current one, so I can explain better, lol

so, I'd imagine the orange bit and lettering would change quite a bit, but I always imagined the white corner of the sprite being swapped with an image of whatever the card was supposed to be, maybe with some text below the "Ag" saying the name of the card?

[night prism]

i don't think the Ag is needed here

[dusty river]

the placeholder art does look very whimsical, which I like, but, the orange is a bit blank and empty looking, and the letters would cover up the art a bit too much I think

[dusty river]

could totally be removed, tho, I do like the vibe of them

maybe we could have a similar font for the card text

[night prism]

it's just to big, also i wouldn't put it close to the card name

[dusty river]

yeah, agreed

[night prism]

maybe one on top an the other on the bottom

[dusty river]

I think u get the vibe I'm going for a bit, tho, right? maybe?

[night prism]

yeah, i think

we also must decide the color palette for those

i think we must have at least one high contrasting color, like the yellow on spectrals

[dusty river]

well, so far, it is quite colorful, with bright reds, greens, and oranges, so, with that in mind, I think we could probably build the rest of a palette
how many colors do the spec/tarot sets have in their palette?

also, now that I think of it, isn't there a way to save a custom color palette in aseprite? I might be able to make one and send it in here

[night prism]

yeah

[night prism]

tarots have 3 colors plus black and white

spectrals vary way more, but mostly use 3 colors with a bunch of shades of each

i think the colors you used so far contrast too much

the red and the green look a bit weird to me

also we should use the brass color used for them in game

[dusty river]

mhhh, true

[dusty river]

I'm not sure what to do on this part, lol, tbh

this is what I have so far, but the greens and reds haven't changed yet, so I'm not sure where that'd end up

[night prism]

well, these colors are way to saturated for balatro

other than that i like it

[dusty river]

hows this then? red and green better?

[night prism]

the brown seems very dark to me

and the black should be the same dark gray as the other cards we made

[dusty river]

yeah, forgor about that, lol

I'm not sure how to copy it from the other, lol 😭
it's not letting me change it for some reason lol, unless I do it, like, 100% manually, lol

[dusty river]

hows this?

[night prism]

there's an edit palette command

[night prism]

i like it, thought it definitely will depend on what kind of art we decide to use

i'm not sure how to represent the ones we already added

like, just draw a lever?

thinking back at it, making them look like a blueprint would have been nice

[dusty river]

mmm, true

[night prism]

thought this is pretty different from what we are doing rn

[dusty river]

hmm I mean, we could for sure do this, our only one atm is the placeholder art, so

[night prism]

i guess we can try

i'll try to sketch a few idea in aseprite i think

[dusty river]

also, I've done this, but, while it lets me change them by hand, it doesn't seem to like me trying to copy it from another sprite for some reason lol

[night prism]

interesting

[dusty river]

in the meantime, have my magnum opus, Joker from Memory

[night prism]

peak

what's the effect?

[dusty river]

I'm not sure yet lol

hmm

[night prism]

something related to jokers you previously had maybe

[dusty river]

either Blueprint style or something referencing base jimbo

I think

maybe

[night prism]

blueprint style is fitting

though a way weaker version i'd imagine

[dusty river]

Copies joker to the right with x0.5 values?

[night prism]

either that or a chance not to trigger

or maybe it copies jokers at random

[dusty river]

OOO what about

Common
Copies the effect of another random owned Common Joker

[night prism]

why common?

it's super weak if it copies only commons

i guess it makes it less random

[dusty river]

mhh, I think, if nothing else, we are close to a cool effect here, hehe

[night prism]

i'd just make it a random joker

no rarity requirement

or joker to the right if it's common

[dusty river]

yeah, I think that's the one I wanna go with

[night prism]

either random or rarity gated

not both

[dusty river]

common to the right

[night prism]

i think it works for a common

[dusty river]

updated the sprite so it looks to the right, same way blueprint does

you know what? I haven't coded a joker in, like, 2 days, how would I make this thing? lol

[night prism]

blueprint is weird

code wise

i had to look at it for making brown paint

[dusty river]

mhh

[night prism]

i'd copy the code from old blueprint from cryptid

it's more straight forward than actual blueprint

and you just need to add a check at the start for it to only work on common jokers

though adding the compat text would be weird

this is not hard to do, it's just copy pasting, but it's a bit hard to understand, i'd recommend to do another joker instead

i can make this in 2 mins

[night prism]

i mean that it requires a lot of knowledge of balatro code that's not useful for other effects

so learning it is not worth it imo

[dusty river]

okey, I can try out making another one, hehehe, gotta check the sheets now, lol

I already commited the sprite btw, it's right below short joker

[night prism]

great

[dusty river]

OOOO NICE

what did I do to mess this one up, lmao

wait, ace is 1, not 14, isn't it?

[night prism]

no, 14 is right

[dusty river]

nvm, I'm stupid lol

it's supposed to say Spades not Diamonds, lmao

joker worked! Swordfish is ingame, now just need to sprite it

[night prism]

another dick fish?

at least make this a pussy fish for representation

[static finch]

or a featureless one

for aces

[night prism]

considering this triggers on aces of spades

i guess this should be the one

[static finch]

well uh

i dunno

[static finch]

holy shit

10/10

it's also got unreadable mumbo jumbo

[dusty river]

I love it

[night prism]

i like this but i feel i must make the art more obvious

[static finch]

how so

[night prism]

because otherwise it could be hard to tell them apart at a glance

[night prism]

i think for the others i'm making the drawing bigger and have less text

[static finch]

or color the lever

[night prism]

i could make it white

for even more contrast

but i like it like this

i think imma keep this one as it is

but i'm improving on the next ones

the outline on the lever helps i think

[static finch]

mhm

[dusty river]

made the swordfish sprite :3

he's just a little guy

(you like the dither btw? my first time messing with it, hehehe)

[night prism]

i love the background

though i think it needs some shading

it's pretty flat rn

[dusty river]

truu, tho, honestly, I'm not the best at shading lol, can't really tell where I need to put it half the time, lol

[night prism]

in this case i'd shade the bottom of the fish, and lighten up the top

someone better than me would know how to make the scales visible

using very strong contrast in shading may help give it a lucid look, which reflects the way the scales of the fish look

[night prism]

very bright lights i mean

though i have pretty much no knowledge of art fundamentals lol

[night prism]

also, i'd add an outline to the fish to make it stick out

[dusty river]

I originally wanted the pupil to be a Spades symbol, but I couldn't make one that looked right that small lol

[night prism]

yeah it's too small

also, i think it having no dorsal fin makes it look weird lol

[dusty river]

oh yeah, this is better I think

[night prism]

yeah

make the shadows thicker though

on the belly

[dusty river]

glint, or no glint?

[night prism]

definitely glint

it looks very cool

[night prism]

yeah i like it, this is a massive improvement from tree lol

[dusty river]

thanku hehehe :3

you know, I think I might try working on the sprite for tree some more, maybe with my new knowledge, I can upgrade it

[night prism]

"my new knowledge" this sounds like you read the necronomicon or something

[night prism]

this reminds me we still have no cthulhu joker

[dusty river]

mwahahaha the tree of deer be upon you!

[dusty river]

I can't even remember what I changed in this one, lmao

I think I tried to use more of the balatro color palatte but it messed up the sprite and turned the sky green so I backpedaled slightly and now I have a sprite that's pretty close to the one before it lmao

rtx on and off lol

[night prism]

Lol

We need an rtx on joker

[dusty river]

lol, yeah, hehe

just, like, a hyperrealistic jimbo, lol

[night prism]

Yeah

[dusty river]

what do u think of the tree art I made? any notes?

[night prism]

I like them

They aren't super faithful to the vanilla artstyle but they are great

Only thing I don't like are those lighter patches on the trunk, they look like beans lol

[dusty river]

lol, hehe

[dusty river]

I knew this was a thing from games, and this made me curious where it came from, and apparently these spots can either come from lichen or BE lichen

this is a pic of a tree which once had lichen on it

[gloomy knot]

mod looks great, but I noticed that the 19 of hearts is missing a pip

[dusty river]

thank you! also, it is lol, I'll see if I can do something about that lol, hehe

[gloomy knot]

this applies to both 2x sprites and probably more

yeah the 1x ones as well

[dusty river]

the 19 of hearts has it's 19th pip now :3

[night prism]

YES, prism's repo finally shows in search results

also, imma add some stuff to the sheet

how much macro ranks support do we have rn?

[dusty river]

not a bunch, the sheet has 8 jokers based on it rn,
a couple more if we include jokers which only partially mention them, but aren't really synergy made for them, such as mitosis, which can break 20s down into 10s and 10s into 5s

[night prism]

negative ranks when? -3 of spades is peak

[dusty river]

tru lmao

that'd be considered a Micro rank I think, but we have none concepted yet

[night prism]

they would be like an evil and fucked up version of normal ranks, haha, a glimpse into our dark reality

jokes aside, it would be interesting i think

[dusty river]

this is the only thing in sheets rn that mentions Micro ranks so far, but they are planned in some sense

[night prism]

like, they give negative chips, so we must have some serious reasons to play them

[night prism]

not the genetic disorder joker😭

[dusty river]

lmaoo

[night prism]

tbf i have polydactily in prism

[dusty river]

I made it as a parrarel to Gigantism, which makes all cards count as Macro cards

might have a better name for them at some point lol, but those were the best I could think of

[night prism]

tbh micro ranks and negative ranks should be different things

micro ranks would just be small

[dusty river]

tru

tho, I'm not sure how many cards we'd have that'd only apply to negative ranks

it may also be confusing, cuz "negative" is the name of an edition

[night prism]

this would be funny lol

[night prism]

true actually

[dusty river]

NanInf of Spades

[night prism]

actually like, gigantic ranks would be silly lol

[dusty river]

tree(3) of Trees

[night prism]

googol of spades

[night prism]

real

[dusty river]

I've actually thought of that before, I think they would be considered Macro ranks but also their own thing, probably Hyper ranks

as in Hyper operations

[night prism]

googology ranks

if we want to use correct math terms they would just be "Large Ranks"

as in large number

though that has a pretty unspecific definition

like, according to one guy any number above one is a large number

and according to other only numbers too big to be used in everyday life are

[night prism]

jokes aside i agree with this

it makes perfect sense

[dusty river]

hmm, I wonder, how often would the term be used, tho? Maybe we could just have Macro ranks then, have it so cards that refer to large ass ranks like Googolplexplex of Spades would just be "Macro cards above 1e12" or something like that lmao

Tree(3)plex when?

[night prism]

googolplexplex of spades sounds sick

[night prism]

is that a real thing?

tree(3)^tree(3) i guess

[dusty river]

I made it up, but it should be a thing

[dusty river]

no

my mind was thinking moreso,

Tree(Tree(3))

[night prism]

lol

yeah, tree(3)^tree(3) wouldn't actually be that much bigger than tree(3), proportionally to that scale obviously

like, it would be inimaginably larger

but at that scale stuff is so insane

sadly a tree(3) rank can't be done, as even omeganum is not that big

[dusty river]

sad 😔

[night prism]

also, we actually don't know how much tree(3) actually is

[dusty river]

Tree(1) rank and Tree(2) could tho

[night prism]

we just have conservative estimates, which are insane

[night prism]

we already have these

[dusty river]

Tree(1) would give +1 chips ☝️ actually, which is neither a base game amount nor one that currently exists in our mod

[night prism]

https://googology.fandom.com/wiki/Googology_Wiki i love this website lol, it's so stupid

[night prism]

real actually

[night prism]

the fact that this whole field of math exists just for shitposting is hilarious

it's like the math equivalent of powerscaling

[dusty river]

hmmm

we have TREE and tree?

I wonder if weak tree(3) is able to be in balala lol

[night prism]

it may be but we don't know the actual number

though the estimates are indeed below omeganum, by a long shoot actually

actually funny that weak tree(1) and tree(2) are bigger than regular TREE

i love math notation

[dusty river]

Tree of Trees
+3 Chips
Permanently gains +2 Chips when scored

Tree(3) of Trees
+333 Chips
Permanently gains +222 Chips when scored

Tree(3) of Tree(3)s
^^^333 Chips
Permanently gains ^^^222 Chips when scored

[night prism]

totally reasonable

are we adding this? lol

[dusty river]

lmaooo

hehehe

[night prism]

like, random ass people are making stuff up for the wiki lol

they should add "Blazingulag calls this number yourmomsass"

[dusty river]

we should make a function for specifically this mod lol

[night prism]

real

though finding one that hasn't be made yet may be tricky

since we are not mathematicians lol

[dusty river]

I like messing with numbers lol, hehehe :3

[night prism]

but like, fast growing functions are insane, and we can't even make the math on a regular calculator

actually, just realized that balatro with talisman is better than most scientific calculators

since most are capped at 10^100

[dusty river]

yeah, lol, it's crazy lol

[dusty river]

most calculators I've found are capped at 1e308

[night prism]

real

fuck i'm so bad at typing lol

[dusty river]

real

[dusty river]

this right here is kinda why I wanted to lol, it'd be nice to have a function that refrences Tree() but isn't quite so A: Impossible to calculate and B: Omeganum breaking

[night prism]

windows calculator is capped at 10^10.000 btw

just tested lol

[night prism]

the issue is coming up with something that grows that fast

i have no idea what it would take

like, we could just stack stuff over and over, but that would be boring

[dusty river]

hmmm I gotta think of something here lol

I also only really want it to refrence Tree in name, it doesn't have to mathwise lol

so that frees us a lot

[night prism]

chat, i just reached my first unseeded naneinf, how did i do?

Vampirica(3)

[dusty river]

me when wee joker sees the 8th key on the calculator

[night prism]

actually there's that one calculator roguelike

where you just have a calculator and can buy new buttons in the shop

i think it's called "Calculate it"

@static finch use your superior math knowledge to come up with a fast growing function

peak

[dusty river]

I don't know how high this goes cuz this calculator can't go past e308 😭

[night prism]

this is so random lol

but also, why are u using log

[dusty river]

why not

[night prism]

log is one of the slowest functions though

[dusty river]

yeah, tbh, bad idea lol

[night prism]

replace that with factorial

[dusty river]

also, this function in general is slow af lol

[night prism]

now we are talking

though, i think it would be better to come with something to actually calculate, rather than it just being a random series of operations

like, tree() is actually calculating a real world thing, even if useless

[dusty river]

trueeee, though, every idea I can come up with ends up with a 2nd input

[night prism]

you will need this btw https://mrob.com/pub/perl/hypercalc.html

[dusty river]

like, we could have the input "m" representing mult, be interacted with via "t" representing the number of triggers of tree related cards

[static finch]

what?

[dusty river]

how do I use this site? lol

I can't see an input or download link

[night prism]

https://mrob.com/pub/comp/hypercalc/hypercalc-javascript.html

there was a link at the top of the page lol

[static finch]

oi

what'd you ping me for

[dusty river]

😭 how'd I miss that, lol

[night prism]

also it's free and open source, so we can steel some of the code

[static finch]

join the club

[night prism]

@static finch

[static finch]

you're not funny

[night prism]

seriously though

[static finch]

you know i have no clue

SERIOUSLY WHAT

[night prism]

think of some insane shit

no matter if u know the math behind it

just blabber i guess

[static finch]

I HAVE NO CONTEXT

even then i don't feel like readin all of this

[night prism]

we are trying to come up with a fast growing function just for this mod, to make massive numbers

and i think it being based on some stupid ass calculation would be funny

[static finch]

uuuh

what

[dusty river]

how do I do tetration and stuff in here?

[night prism]

what are you not understanding?

[night prism]

no idea honestly

i just discovered this exists

[static finch]

WHY ME

[night prism]

dunno

we are 3 people here

[static finch]

I know nothing of this sorcery

[night prism]

not much choice

[night prism]

that's the point

[static finch]

funny

[night prism]

only a truly ignorant mind can come up with something this deranged

[dusty river]

how's this gulag >:3
((((m)^(t*t*t))!)!)!

I'm still not sure how to do tetration lol

[night prism]

ist "t * t * t" just "t^3"?

[static finch]

@dusty river

[dusty river]

true, hol on lol

[static finch]

he's EVIL and INTIMIDATING

[dusty river]

((((m)^(t^(t^t)))!)!)!

[night prism]

why the fuck i can't find a lesbian flag emoji?

[dusty river]

discord is homophobic and doesn't have one 😡💢

[night prism]

https://mrob.com/pub/comp/hypercalc/Kenny-TM-HyperCalc.pdf

[static finch]

the gay one is for everyone apparently

[night prism]

read this @dusty river

[static finch]

bullshit dare I say

[night prism]

the only one that shows is from the godot server

but i can't use it without nitro

[static finch]

get vencord

loser

[night prism]

crazy, they are paywalling lebiannes now

[night prism]

what's that? modded discord?

[static finch]

pretty much

[static finch]

they paywall femobys too

we're worth it

[night prism]

even then, isn't this stuff on the server level?

you can't mod that

[static finch]

wuh

it just sends pngs

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1201596028864970802.png?v=1&size=48&quality=lossless

can't react with it but better than nothing OR paying a corpo

to send pngs

[night prism]

i was talking about that, but i guess png are fine

i can do that without mods though

[static finch]

sure sure but it's convenient

and you can copy stuff

[night prism]

also peak

[static finch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1354360098738143413.png?v=1&size=48&quality=lossless

[night prism]

so it isn't even illegal

not that i cared anyway

[static finch]

it's not "legal" but who gives a shit

my app my choice

[night prism]

(jk obviously, i would never break the law)

[static finch]

suuure

well I would

coward

[night prism]

why not? what's illegal about it?

[dusty river]

give me an amount of mult and an amount of tree triggers

[static finch]

against tos

I think

[night prism]

they even have a discord server lol

if they cared they would ban that

[static finch]

real

[dusty river]

mult is current mult, tree triggers as in the amount of times tree related cards have been triggered this run

[night prism]

also, against tos is not really illegal

[static finch]

but y'know it's all nominal

[night prism]

like, tos are not law

[static finch]

no

but you know, they technically have a right to ban you?

never did anything to me so idc

[night prism]

they can ban them if they want, but not take legal action

[night prism]

as i said

[dusty river]

gimme numbers pls :<
I wanna try out my funny acorn function

[night prism]

not like i care for my discord account lol

[static finch]

based

[night prism]

i can make another

[static finch]

I get it, laws are not universal anyway

[night prism]

1 and 1

[dusty river]

it's 1

[night prism]

real

2 and 2 then

[dusty river]

this is the power of the deerlord

[night prism]

why is it formatted like that lol

it's so hard to read

[dusty river]

get tree'd lol

[dusty river]

idk, lmao

[night prism]

put the result in the calculator, see if it solves it further

even better, put it in balatro and see how much it is

[dusty river]

mhhh

this is the function

so, replacing the #1 s with 2 and the #2 s with 2, should yield the output

but I dunno how to do the factorial bit, lol, is it the same in lua? can I just port this?

I'mma need to reformat all this, aren't I? lol

[night prism]

i don't think there's a native function for that

[dusty river]

what about the output here? is there a way I can easily just, export this number as a +mult?

[night prism]

function fact (n) if n <= 0 then return 1 else return n * fact(n-1) end end

use this

[static finch]

well I'll go sleep today

7 hours is barely enough

[night prism]

call it ANVA.fact

[night prism]

good luck

[static finch]

for what

[night prism]

dunno

[static finch]

bruh

[night prism]

you have 14 minutes left

go

[static finch]

by the way I won't be around much anyway after this Thursday

if I didn't say this already

[night prism]

we are ruined

(not sarcastic)

i don't want to mock you

[static finch]

I shall postpone my slumber

[static finch]

to ask what are you on about

[night prism]

nothing?

i think i'm peaking clearly

[static finch]

what's up with you today

nothing you say makes sense

[static finch]

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN

[night prism]

what?

[night prism]

this is just me everyday

[static finch]

how incredible

[dusty river]

does the ^ still work?

[static finch]

well guess I got that covered

[night prism]

you have only 9 minutes left friend

[static finch]

oh come on

I already have no time as I must pay the tribute 30 minutes to think about everything before falling unconscious

[night prism]

yes

[night prism]

i need to add a tenacious D ref now that i think about it

both to this and prism

[static finch]

who?

[night prism]

i'm killing you

[static finch]

ay nice

a favor

[night prism]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lK4cX5xGiQ how have you never heard this banger?

[static finch]

I can't listen rn

[night prism]

i know

but still, how?

it's both a great song and a massive meme

i though you were an exper of shitposting

[static finch]

I probably don't know it by name

as I am an ignorant fuck

[night prism]

gaussian would never do this to me

he'd know it for sure

[static finch]

what can I do

[night prism]

sleep

[static finch]

I meant about that in particular

whatever, have this

[night prism]

does miku have something to tell us?

[static finch]

nah

wasn't she canonically a robot

or something

[night prism]

i guess

[static finch]

whatever, I'm sure that doesn't matter cause I win anyway

[dusty river]

ok, so, I think I needa know some talismaning lmao

[night prism]

did you add any loops?

other tha the factorial one

actually, show me that

[night prism]

weird

this looks like it should work

[dusty river]

I know that talisman loves TooBig or whatever

[night prism]

it's not that

also, the error is happening at line 340

so it's the factorial func that's broken

i think we are making to many calculation to be fair

factorial of (1000) would need 1000 repetitions

so this would take a while to calculate lol

if the number gets above naneinf that's 10^308 calculations lol

you know how long that would take?

[dusty river]

yeah

that'd be crazy

[night prism]

years probably

[dusty river]

also, I just tried without using acorn and using fact instead and it works with 10 fact

[night prism]

that's more than a calculation for every atom in the universe lol

way more

as there are only 10^80 atoms in the observable universe

[dusty river]

hmmm, how do we avoid this then?

[night prism]

no loop for factorial

i'm not sure if there are better ways of doing factorials tbh

well, considering that calculator does calculate it

though tbf it doesn't actually do it in full, but still, it does

i think this will require a lot of talisman shenanigans

and i'm too tired for that shit

[dusty river]

lol

[night prism]

i'm coding joker from memory

simple and straight forward, hopefully

[dusty river]

YAYY

[night prism]

i should type the blueprint code from memory too

(i'm not actually doing that)

[dusty river]

lmao

[night prism]

@dusty river you must remember to add blueprint and sticker compat to jokers when you make them

[dusty river]

oh no, what'd I miss

[night prism]

short, tall and swordfish all have blueprint compat set to false

i fixed it, don't worry

but pay attention in the future

i only noticed out of luck

[dusty river]

ok, thank you

I just realized I messed up and that acorn func's gonna need a third input, lol

cuz, there's current mult, input mult, and tree triggers

like, technically, ^2 Mult would have 2 inputs, the amount of mult it's raising by and the starting mult