Resurgence (WIP) - Primordial Arts

[dusty river]

oh, uhm, I think so?

[night prism]

you probably missed something in the code

[night prism]

only explanation i have

[night prism]

i like how you tried doing the first 2 spades, then decided you didn't care, removed the hearts, got bored again and for the other you just wrote it on top lol

[static finch]

the timeline

[dusty river]

wish there was a fix for this somewhere lol, this poor deck screen is gonna explode lol

[night prism]

just realized all the face cards should have different initials

i need to come up with something to fix this

[static finch]

BOOM

[static finch]

go with second letter

or even third

[night prism]

i guess i can do it like chess

knight is n since the k is silent

abbot will be hard though

t i guess

[dusty river]

vjhsabfha ok, so, after a bunch of effort, I have a first draft of the spades lol

still has some missing numbering lol
I decided to make a unique symbol to represent "10 Spades" to make spriting easier and also to make the cards look cooler

[night prism]

this is fire

though isn't it weird that 10 of spades does not use this symbol?

not that i care really

this is sick

[dusty river]

spriting all of these has been a lot more tiring than I thought it'd be, I think I'mma work more on these later
if you wouldn't mind, gulag, if you could help with these sprites a bit too, I would be grateful

[night prism]

for sure

[dusty river]

I thought of making "11 of spades" the unique symbol instead, but I thought having 20 of spades having 2 of the cool symbols would be way better

[night prism]

i was doing the faces rn but those will take way more time

[night prism]

i like it this way

it doesn't matter if it's a bit inconsistent

[dusty river]

committed the latest version of the sprites for them

for now, I am done with spriting these ranks for a bit

maybe we should add in the Numbers Deck so that they're a bit easier to test

test may not be the right word, lol

but I think u get what I mean

[night prism]

@dusty river i think u screwed up a few things with those sprites

do u mind if i change them a bit?

only the arrangement, the giant spade is sick

[dusty river]

I do not care, I did make them pretty quickly and kinda expected that this might happen lol

[dusty river]

brb, girlfriend wanna talk some :3

[static finch]

siiick

[dusty river]

I have returned

[night prism]

i cooked my brain doing the remaining sprites lol

i messed up so many times

[dusty river]

lol, hehehe

[dusty river]

I have no idea how I'd make this effect lol

[static finch]

this is ultra specific

make it work with bonus cards too?

[night prism]

it's a pretty powerful effect though

i'd make it affect both and change it to uncommon

[dusty river]

mhh, idk, I don't think I really like that tbh,
I mean, thinking of other stuff in common, if it's too powerful or too weak, maybe just change the cost? Jimbo is weak as hell but is kinda balanced a bit by it costing way less than other jokers

[dusty river]

NICE

[night prism]

i think this is not a common effect

[dusty river]

fair, I guess

[night prism]

and you already made common jokers for mult and bonus cards

so making an uncommon one makes sense

[dusty river]

I was talking more about not liking the idea of making it also work on bonus cards

[static finch]

yeah but

[night prism]

i like it tbh

[static finch]

who uses JUST mult cards

[dusty river]

also, this isn't true lol

[static finch]

and who would be going for that one specifically

[static finch]

tall joker

[dusty river]

THIS IS THE POINT OF MAKING THESE JOKERS LMAO

[static finch]

SIIICK 2

[dusty river]

tall joker is for bonus, but there isn't an equivilant for mult cards

[static finch]

the short red one

what about him

[dusty river]

short joker ALSO works on bonus cards

[night prism]

short joker

[static finch]

just make him about mult

the duality is so obvious and you just throw it away

why would bonus cards give 10 mult

it makes no sense

[dusty river]

I don't really agree tbh, on, like, most of this, also, mult cards have a lot more possible ideas to build with them and have a lot of stuff added in different mods, meanwhile, bonus cards just, don't

I made short joker and tall joker bonus card based, because they both had to do with size, and I felt that bonus cards refrencing size made sense

[night prism]

mult cards are possibly even worse than bonus in vanilla

[static finch]

me when mult joker doesn't exist

[night prism]

but i guess i see you point

[static finch]

so like

the opposite of tall joker

which has the opposite color

same as the mult cards

and gives mult

to an enhancement

gives it to the mult cards

why

[dusty river]

I think we're about to head to a similar situation as yesterday, so, instead of talking about this stuff again, why don't we roll back a bit
how would I make Cactus joker?

[static finch]

i like what gulag said

anyway, thank you for dodging my opinion, this is productive

[night prism]

yeah, it would be like todd and steven both working on the same ranks

[static finch]

(sarcasm)

[static finch]

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING

perplexing, weird design choices which just appear obtuse

[night prism]

yeah this is not bad, just weird to me

[dusty river]

BRUH, is this not what you told me to do yesterday? or would you rather me have another panic attack and have us make as little progress on the mod as we did yesterday do to an argument that goes nowhere? lmao

[night prism]

but eh, i don't really care

[static finch]

you know i'm just saying this is weird and makes no sense

[dusty river]

not imo

[static finch]

you don't need to have a panic attack over any disagreement

[dusty river]

and I'm just going to leave it at that

[static finch]

but go on as you wish

nobody will use those jokers anyway imo

threatening me with having another panic attack is low ya know

[night prism]

i feel there's a middle ground between having a panic attack and never talking about anything

[dusty river]

I... cannot... control

whether I have one or not

[night prism]

well, obviously

[dusty river]

I am merely stating what my mental state is

[night prism]

no one chooses to have a panic attack lol

[dusty river]

it was not a threat

it was merely an explaination, of what litteraly just happened, less than 48 hours ago

[static finch]

reads like one to me

"don't talk about this no more or else i'll inevitably melt down again"

"this is the only way this will go"

is what i read

[dusty river]

yeah, and your messages read as very demanding to me

but I understand that's not what you mean probably

[static finch]

i just don't get it

that said, it's inconsequential anyway

at least make the short joker blue too

like darker

or something

it just bugs me

[dusty river]

huhh, I made him red because gulag litteraly said to make the red one blue cuz it was about chips

so I drew the conclusion of making the other red cuz it dealt with mult

also, like I JUST said, lets please stop talking about this

[night prism]

well, it's blue because it gives chips and it interacts with bonus cards which are blue

but anyway

[dusty river]

we are getting dangerously close to what yesterday was like, and I would like to make at least 1 joker today

so, can I make cactus? do I have PERMISSION, or?

[dusty river]

your messages read the same to me, that's how we get into situations like this

[static finch]

well if every single time i'm going to say something i'm either going to get sidelined or hardwalled by "HEY THIS IS MAKING ME MELT DOWN" now i'm suffering as you thought you would've

ironic

[dusty river]

you... litteraly... said... to make... things... clear

[static finch]

not like i was doing much today

or ever

[dusty river]

that is why I am doing that today

[static finch]

dark and bright paths both lead to the same place

[dusty river]

I am telling you my mental state is worsening, because yesterday you said it came from no where and that I never implied anything

[static finch]

i am not helping but i still think i am not doing much of anything anyway so might as well

[dusty river]

hold on, I'm sorry, I only half read this before, I'm sorry I'm making you feel like this, I just

uuuhn,f,nm,dgh

[static finch]

IMAGINE CONTINUING A FUCKING ARGUMENT WHILE NOT EVEN READING IT IN FULL

well this is great

my own self-fulfilling prophecy

this is going nowhere, fuck this

as i was saying, gulag's cactus sounds way better to me

[dusty river]

I am in a poor state of mind right now and I think you are too, I am sorry for this discussion happening the way it has

I like my idea for cactus myself, though, I recognize not everyone might like it, in the same way not everyone might like any idea I concept

[static finch]

my mental state is perfectly fine, fortunately, all i can say is that every single time i talk about something i end up either lighting an inferno or doing nothing at all

none of these being productive

[dusty river]

I feel the same, in this way

it is why I wasn't talking about my opinions much originally, when it came to others ideas

[static finch]

well i'm just washed

that's the conclusion i drew from this anyway

[dusty river]

but you encouraged me to change that, to talk more, to raise my voice a little, I guess

I think the 2 of us can be very protective of our ideas and what we like about our version of balance, which is why we can get like this, lol

mhhh, you know, maybe we could make a cryptid style Mild to Madness thing

or something

I don't know

[static finch]

uuh

[dusty river]

I just hate when things get like this

[static finch]

like, shoot primordials and call it a feature?

this sounds idiotic

[dusty river]

huh?

[static finch]

.

[dusty river]

no, I mean, like

[static finch]

imagine thinking i like balance

[dusty river]

you wanted timer mechanics, for example
I like cactus joker the way it is now

I think, when issues like this occure, we can simply split it across the versions for the most part

[static finch]

...so we make 2 whole damn mods?

compromise is dead

[dusty river]

the problem is

neither of us ever yield

or at least

neither want to, I think

[static finch]

agreed

the problem is doing it like this literally doubles the workload

and if we don't do this it will become ultra disjointed

[dusty river]

maybe

I'm just trying to think of ways we can avoid stuff like this happening in the future

[static finch]

there is no way unless we make COMPROMISES

[dusty river]

yeah, but, I don't think we really can, this is what I mean by neither of us can yield

you want freedom with your ideas, for the sky to be the limit
I want an experience that has an established balance

[night prism]

then you 2 should learn to

a good occasion for personal improvement

[static finch]

the one that made ultra complicated op as shit jokers wants balance

[night prism]

that will help your lives in the future too

[static finch]

the irony is painful

[dusty river]

huh 😭

[static finch]

aren't promordials op

is gaster balanced

[dusty river]

u know, I think this is going no where lol

[dusty river]

I was talking about, like, me canning timer mechanics, and such

[static finch]

it is not but still

[static finch]

okay but i wasn't mad about those

[dusty river]

idk, u fought like hell to try to keep them in, I recalled

[static finch]

i am mad about you saying you want balance and then making this cryptid compatible

or making primordials, gaster and the sort

those are unmistakeably op

how are they balanced

[dusty river]

cryptid DOES have balance, if it wasn't balanced at all, people wouldn't be telling me an idea could never work in the suggestions channel lmao

people LOVE balance in cryptid, they just don't like to admit it

[static finch]

half of the damn things should be epics

[dusty river]

(I mean, hell, they have a TEAM of people who monitor which suggestions go in and shouldn't)

[static finch]

i personally think that your non-primordial jokers are too vanilla and the primordials are cryptid tier 90% of the time

[night prism]

i think balance has little to do with that lol

[static finch]

is that balanced

[static finch]

the mod is supposed to be wilder than vanilla, also being THE mod it obviously needs a team

[dusty river]

balance is relative, otherwise, all jokers would have the same level as uncommon lol

[static finch]

else one random despot would go full jen

[night prism]

i feel balance is the last of our issues right now

[static finch]

sure sure but they just feel on different levels

[static finch]

this is a mindset issue, certainly

[dusty river]

this all started from one joker, a reminder

I just wanted to make Cactus lmao

honestly, I agree with it being an uncommon

I even said that

I just didn't want it to work for both bonus cards and mult cards

[static finch]

that was not my point

it started with tall joker

at least i started with that

[static finch]

why not

[night prism]

please don't start this again from the beginning

it went badly once, it will again

do you know the definition of insanity?

[static finch]

trying the same thing over and over expecting something to change

yes

BUT

i am a stubborn mf, as many said

[night prism]

but nothing

shut up

[static finch]

this will occur again, even if unintentionally

i'm just calling it

[night prism]

if u want things to go differently then we must change how we approach this

[dusty river]

indeed, that's why I wanted us to stop talking about this, what must've been, an hour ago

[static finch]

it was

i think

[static finch]

well tell us how then

[night prism]

or i should say you must because i honestly thing i'm not the issue here

[night prism]

well, first shut up

and use your brain and think

[static finch]

you're not

[night prism]

revelation will not come out of the blue if u keep talking

i feel self reflection is the key here

[static finch]

this reads like pinning it all on me

[night prism]

i'm using plural you here

[static finch]

my bad then as usual

[night prism]

railgun is not typing rn so it seems i'm talking to just you

but i'm not

[static finch]

i already proposed to come up with a compromise for once

or twice

or a lotta times

but nope

[night prism]

yeah but it seems you 2 are not good at that

[static finch]

shocker amirite

[night prism]

god i genuinely feel like the adult in the room rn

[dusty river]

I'd add something, but I feel I might just make things worse lol

[night prism]

don't worry

[static finch]

an appaluse

[night prism]

i don't like it

i'm barely older than you two

[static finch]

well guess i just won't say anything and find a way to ruin it next time as i always, inevitably do

[night prism]

i think it's more that i'm not autistic lol

i think the issue is that we obviously can't just stop confronting

because this is a group project after all

[dusty river]

I think another issue maybe, is that, we're holding these arguments, which honestly, should be simple discussions, over discord, which is a live chat
I feel like I deal much better with this stuff when the feedback is added in sheets, personally

[static finch]

fun eh?

[dusty river]

something about the fact that discord's talking is live, gives a bit of a "walls closing in" vibe

[static finch]

i guess but i like arguing

[night prism]

i think live chat is a way more productive method though

we can actually listen to each other points'

i think this is more an approach thing

[static finch]

yeah

[dusty river]

I guess, I see what you're talking about, though, I do like time to think about what I want to do instead of being encouraged to, just, ramble something out on the spot or else everyone else will decide without me, I guess

[night prism]

I think better comunication can solve this

Just say that you need more time

[static finch]

i guess

[night prism]

Like i did for Kim after not finding a solution

[dusty river]

like, you said "make the hierophant xchips instead" on sheets and I thought of a way to make it powerful and interesting without doing that, if we had that discussion on here, we would've ended up either with the same damn thing we started with, or with the xchips idea, neither of which would've been as interesting

[night prism]

But like, it would have been the same if i said it here

You could still take your time

I wouldn't have pressed you

If u didn't want to

[dusty river]

I guess yeah, as long as we promise to not try pressuring each other and all that, I can vibe with this

[static finch]

i am not pressuring you intentionally

[night prism]

But i already use mostly the sheet for suggestions

[static finch]

i just don't get you half the time

[night prism]

I don't even remember ever typing any here

I did for cactus since you posted it

I assumed you wanted feedback, but i see now you did because you wanted to code it

[dusty river]

like, to take a step back, maybe, instead of making cactus work with both mult cards and bonus cards, we make another joker which works for bonus cards instead, that way we have an equivilant for bonus cards, that's more fitting and encourages having builds made for each instead of just using it for a generic "enhancement" build

[static finch]

do we need 700 jokers for everything

also why do you wanna make a counterpart for cactus but not for tall joker

uuughh so inconsisteeent

[night prism]

Yeah, but i think mult and binus work the best together

[dusty river]

lets just make 1 joker, which does everything every single joker in the mod does

then scrap everything else

[night prism]

If u think, no build wants u to have 2 enhancements

So this could be a cool gimmick

[dusty river]

actually, u know, I think I have issue with when y'all say this, specifically

[night prism]

To make bonus and mult, which are otherwise pretty basic, more unique

[static finch]

oh boy

[static finch]

yeah

[dusty river]

the base game gives zero shits about consistancy, else there'd be an unconditional +chips common joker that was an equivilant of jimbo

[night prism]

I think consistency does not matter at all here

But I think thematic cohesion does

Figuring out a theme we want to follow

[static finch]

well in that case every idea i had is shit

[night prism]

Like, we agree diamonds have a link to money

It works

[static finch]

as i just added stuff on top

no rhyme or reason, overarching theme or anything

[night prism]

And it makes playing diamonds feel different from other suits

It's great

Great game design I mean

[night prism]

No need for an overarching theme, but cohesion is nice

It makes the game feel more refined

[dusty river]

what does "cohesion" mean btw?

[night prism]

Like, stuff not being random, but there being a connection between things

[dusty river]

oh, yeah, I mean, I've been doing that, no?

[night prism]

You did

I'm nowhere impling the opposite

[dusty river]

that's actually WHY I don't want bonus cards linked to Cactus, because I feel it just, doesn't suit the concept

[dusty river]

thank u, my autism didn't understand that, lol

[static finch]

what's a cactus got to do with mult

[static finch]

well tell me

am i incohesive

[dusty river]

mult cards are spiky and intense in appearance, that's what I've used as concepts in trying to make jokers for it

[night prism]

Maybe, it feels like most ideas you had were disconnected anyway

[static finch]

is cryptid cohesive?

[night prism]

Not much, and that's a flaw imo

[dusty river]

I'd say yes, actually, a good example would probably be triplet rythem, or whatever it was called

[dusty river]

wait, really?

[night prism]

But the mod is not really trying to be

So I don't really care

[dusty river]

actually, I can see it now actually

[night prism]

I feel it's cohesive in the most important spots

[dusty river]

an Oil Lamp making jokers get more value makes no sense lol

[night prism]

But a lot of stuff is pretty random

[static finch]

i like it

i love it*

[night prism]

Like, m jokers are all over the place for example

[static finch]

and that's what i personally am going for

[static finch]

m jokers were a joke gone haywire, no?

the whole point was the chaos

[night prism]

This is what I meant

The mod is not trying to be

[static finch]

well i love that even if i dislike the concept for Ms

[dusty river]

I think M jokers work in this way actually, because, while M inherintly has nothing to do with pairs, the mod made it so, it's part of the bit imo

[static finch]

i thought this was supposed to be like it

[static finch]

i would've liked Ms more if they intertwined pairs with more stuff

[night prism]

But cryptid is still my favorite mod to play still

But I wouldn't call it a masterpiece

[static finch]

my whole point is that railgun trying to be cohesive and me trying to emulate cryptid in stupid ideas is the fundamental problem

[static finch]

i would

:3

[night prism]

I don't think so

I feel this is has nothing to do with the actual content of the discussion

But it's just a communication problem

Which can be solved, but that requires introspection

And people hate introspection

[static finch]

i don't hate it per se but i just want to be consistent

[night prism]

Dunno about you 2 though

[dusty river]

I think to some degree this is true, but I think it's actually somewhere in between what ur saying and what gulag is

moreso on gulag's side maybe

but it's a little bit of that

[static finch]

if our approach and vision is different communication won't solve it

[night prism]

I win again

[static finch]

explode

mr responsible adult

or Ms

decide

still waiting for you to come out

:3

[night prism]

Well, that's the reason you may disagree, but disagreement would happen either way

[static finch]

because our vision is different

[night prism]

Anyway about the cactus thing, I agree on catus feeling thematically more related to milt cards, but the effect imo is a great one for both mult and bonus cards

[static finch]

many spikes = many chips

imo

[dusty river]

which is why I said it might be nice to have a 2nd joker which worked for bonus cards, I agree

[night prism]

And I like the idea of those receiving support together

[static finch]

we*

[night prism]

But as I said, I think encouraging you to play both is great

So I'd make a different effect for cactus, related to mult cards, and use this one for a joker that affects both

[static finch]

hm

[night prism]

But anyway this goes I'm fine

[static finch]

makes sense

[dusty river]

mhh, personally, idk, I mean, there is a bit in that vein already, but it's not a massive build type imo

[static finch]

it's pretty universal though

[dusty river]

as an example of how powerful/common of a build this is currently rated at, look at the Racecar joker

[static finch]

you gotta play hands with cards after all

[night prism]

Supporting both makes it more viable

No one will play just bonus cards imo

[dusty river]

which is why I'm making these jokers lol

[night prism]

Unless you make the jokers broken

I don't think this is enough

And since mult and bonus cards feel so connected already

[static finch]

okay but 2 joker slots for an effect which isn't that good individually

[dusty river]

to me they don't tbh

[night prism]

Being the most basic antecedents that affect the most basic parts of the game

[static finch]

they're complementary

[dusty river]

which is why I made it common originally

also, I don't play with both at once

[night prism]

You need both chips and mult to win

They are yin and yang

[dusty river]

viewing what common modded has to say, mult cards are a build of repeated usage, while wild cards are based off randomness

bonus cards have no love from any mod I've ever seen

[static finch]

okay but just give to both at once

also you already made tall and short joker

[night prism]

Fuck other mods honestly

[dusty river]

I know

[night prism]

I don't care about them

[static finch]

you made the other mods tho

[dusty river]

but I like the concepts I have tbh

reminder, we aren't just talking about one joker here

[night prism]

Also, the issue with bonus cards is that, the more you have, the less of them you want

[dusty river]

I have many ideas written down for bonus/mult builds

[night prism]

If you deck is all bonus, mult cards are better

And vice versa

[night prism]

I think they simply can't work alone in practice

[dusty river]

mult actually synergizes with steel cards currently

bonus cards ARE a bit bland rn, I will admit

[night prism]

wdym?

[dusty river]

check out Punk and Great White

[night prism]

Oh I see what u mean

I just think mult and bonus being together is a very cool concept

And it has not being done before

By any mod

[dusty river]

it is, but it's not the main build, at least currently

[night prism]

Since you care about that

[dusty river]

and I DID make racecar

currently, bonus+mult card is rated at the same level as flower pot, which, honestly, might be a bit much, lol

[night prism]

I like racecar

[dusty river]

but like, just for refrence on what the level of this build you speak of currently is in our mod

I guess, it'd sorta be like spectrum build amount of jokers/joker power? a little less common and more powerful tho

at the moment at least

[night prism]

I've genuinely no idea what you have been on fot the last 2 mins

[static finch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/stickers/1160681666096939079.png

[night prism]

Like, I don't understand what you are saying

[dusty river]

I might've misunderstood something, lol

I guess what I'm saying is "I like the idea of them having a build of their combined power, but it is not their MAIN build"? If that makes any sense?

[night prism]

I guess

[dusty river]

not currently anyway, as the current jokers prioritize otherwise

[night prism]

But I'm not sure why you think that

[dusty river]

for example, punk encourages having as many played mult cards as possible to build it, same logic as what you said about "42 straight build"

as well as Scale

[night prism]

I get that

I was questioning why you like to keep this as a secondary build

[static finch]

I think I'll sleep now as I got nothing to say and I don't wanna sleep at 2am again

gn :3

[night prism]

Have a gay rest

[dusty river]

gn!

[dusty river]

unless every joker for this dual build would apply to both mult and bonus cards, you'd be losing half value from each joker for the build

tall joker is better when playing 5 bonus cards, it just is

if you have to many mult cards in hand, it doesn't give any value

[night prism]

Well, I think this is more a supply end demand thing

If u have a lot of bonus cards you'd naturally want to compensate with more mult

So even I'd u don't make this a build, players will do something similar anyway

But you are right on the losing value thing

[dusty river]

I mean, yeah, but, they'd end up grabbing a second joker to make that work, right?
which is what I was saying with the 2nd cactus effect

I don't know lol

[night prism]

I feel cactus would be cool that way just for versatility, like four fingers

You rarely use it in straight flush builds

But you use it for both straight and flush builds

[dusty river]

also, I guess I was right lmao, I wasn't able to make a joker today cuz we spent the entire day talking about this small small tiny thing

[night prism]

But you can combine them if u want

If gives you three choices

[night prism]

Sorry lol, but I think this was about more than just that

I think we got something out of this

I don't know how to code cactus anyway

So you'd still need to look somewhere else for help

[dusty river]

true, I think we've made progress teamwise :>

[dusty river]

lmaoo hehe

[night prism]

Anyway in practice we actually agree on mult and bonus cards really

We give support to both, and leave players the choice to mix them up

And some cross support jokers as a side thing for fun

[dusty river]

yup! that's it
I thought we were on different terms here lol
autism got me I guess, lol

[night prism]

I just think there should be a lil more cross support

And that the cactus effect should be for both

But otherwise we are on the same team

[dusty river]

we can add some, I'm fine with that, I just like cactus the way it is currently

[night prism]

Fine

The reason I thought it was a good candidate is because its effect has nothing to do with either mult or bonus cards specifically

But we can keep it as it is

You see, compromise

[dusty river]

I think, one problem is, I don't see/hear the suggestion under the words, if that makes any sense
like, everyone says "I want this specific joker to be like this" and they have a bunch of different explainations of why it should, but they never just say the basic things, like "I just think there should be more jokers that do X"

the second one is an easy responce for me, I love making joker ideas lol

the quoted parts weren't as generalized as they should have been, lol, but I think you get the point of what I was trying to say

I just, view things as they are on the surface I guess

which is why I've been kind of confused this whole time, lol

[night prism]

Yeah I get ya

I need to fix the straight issue with the new ranks now though

I have no idea why it doesn't work

[dusty river]

okey lol, good luck! I'll go to concepting some jokers for mult/bonus and mult+bonus :3

also, incase u were wondering what tf was up with the "Multiplier" joker, lmao

[night prism]

Lol, can we add the test there on the joker?

It would be funny

Maybe it makes a speech bubble when you buy it

[dusty river]

have them be messages that appear after being found in shop/pack and/or purchase

[night prism]

Yeah I like this

Good luck finding an effect

[dusty river]

I made 2 more jokers for a mult+bonus synergy :3

one of them is also Jack synergy :3

I just realized the jack one is ridiculously underpowered for a rare lol, might make it a common

I might change the Martial Artist / Astral Projection jokers

astral projection isn't really feeling too Astral Projection to me, lol

alright, both are different now

we now have

3 total jokers for this

including racecar

[dusty river]

@night prism hows it going gulag?

[night prism]

it's late and i should sleep

but this code is confusing me

the straight works if you have unstable installed

[dusty river]

oh, interesting

[night prism]

but i'm not sure what makes it work

[dusty river]

hmmm, might be a good idea to ask the unstable devs about this maybe? idk, lol
gn, tho! maybe a good rest could reset ur brain here and give u ideas lol

[night prism]

probably

[static finch]

@night prism how do i make rext vertical i nthe sheet

[night prism]

no idea

[static finch]

glorious

[night prism]

i just copy paste

[static finch]

fair enough but i am referencing a thing that hasn't been referenced

we miss a "when joker is created" joker, no?

so logically, mii channel

[night prism]

copy paste it and edit the text then

[static finch]

oh

why didn't i think of that

something like this?

[night prism]

i like it, but created is confusing

[static finch]

(creativity is my strong suit, i know)

[static finch]

hmm

[night prism]

this makes every reroll give you mult

[static finch]

so i should specify

created and added to owned jokers?

[night prism]

acquired would be a better word imo, but it may be less thematic

[static finch]

oh

yeah makes sense

QR code scans exist

because the 3ds, being the console of the FUTURE loves QR codes

but wait

if i write acquired

buying any joker will trigger it

i meant like created and immediately added to jokers

like, riff raff

[night prism]

oh

then this is just the pirate concept i had for prism

[static finch]

it's pretty basic

imo

[night prism]

yeah

[static finch]

https://soundcloud.com/floopymusic/cappuccino anyway, donwloading music today, came across this BANGER

[night prism]

fire

[static finch]

ikr

one of the few soundclous profiles i can just sack without remorse as its at least 256 kb

ali's making tf2 jokers and i NEED some for myself

did i overdo it?

[night prism]

@static finch you need to shoot extended blueprint in the head

[static finch]

do i?

[night prism]

it breaks custom ranks

[static finch]

forgot i even had it :3

bye bye blueprint

[night prism]

i lost multiple hours trying to figure out the issue

fuck you

[static finch]

oh come on

you downloaded my mess

here

and expected it to work

the whole point of the damn thing is that it's a miracolously working nuclear meldtown

[night prism]

i'm gonna take a look at the code and see if i find the issue

i can report to the creators

[static finch]

just like the pope did

[night prism]

real

[static finch]

nikopilot

[night prism]

found the issue in the extended blueprint code

hopefully they fix it, even though they haven't updated the mod in 2 moths

[static finch]

HmmToday

i love pirating music

this playthrough be weird

[night prism]

i have no idea what i'm looking at

[static finch]

a very glitchy thing that i should get fixed

but

literally fallout new vegas

[night prism]

i think we need a sound effect when getting a primordial, because the music is very quiet at the beginning

and it sounds like the music got turned off

but i prefer not to change the music itself

[static finch]

right

artistic vision and all

soo

what could it be

[night prism]

i was thinking some sort of bell/gong

[static finch]

~~time stop sound effect form jojo ~~

[night prism]

lol

[static finch]

@night prism i was talking about the you wouldn't steal a car font

and i got an idea

a joker that scales based off of getting free stuff from the shop?

[night prism]

real and based

[static finch]

YOU WOULDN'T STEAL A JOKER

[night prism]

also, the art dude respawned after more than 24 hours and then disappeared again

[night prism]

indeed

[static finch]

WOW

[static finch]

i would

if "ai" companies can so can i

[dusty river]

"You Wouldn't Steal a Joker" should make it so the first joker or buffoon pack bought each shop costs 0, maybe also add +1 shop slot hehehe

also, good morning :3

[night prism]

@dusty river the straight issue was caused by extended blueprint

[dusty river]

ahhh, okey

[night prism]

disable that mod

i already reported to the dev

[dusty river]

ok, it's disabled

also, how would I add the numbers deck?

actually, maybe I should wait for you to add a new lua file for decks first, lol

or maybe I could try adding it?

[night prism]

yeah

it's easy

just make a decks.lua file

and add it inside of main, where we load all the other files

[dusty river]

it feels like the order is very important here, where should decks go, u think?

[night prism]

the order only mattes for the last one rn, just make sure it's after ranks

i'd put it just after jokers

[dusty river]

alright, I did it I think

and you know, just cuz, I'm going to commit this

even though it's blank, think it might be a good idea to get it in early

[static finch]

my fault :3

[dusty river]

OOOO nice!

[night prism]

one of 10 done

40 if i want all suits to be different

[dusty river]

Now that the deck lua is made, how would I make the number deck?

[night prism]

i'd take a look at how unstable does it maybe

[dusty river]

for reminders, the effect of the deck is
no face cards or aces in starting deck
deck also includes ranks 11 through 20

[night prism]

or maybe look at abandoned

[dusty river]

abandoned is also a good idea, yeah

[static finch]

i dunno, do you hate yourself

[static finch]

the og numbers deck

finally a good deck for straights may i add

[dusty river]

2 crashes so far lmao

but hey! I got it to show up at least, lmao

[dusty river]

so do I need to add loc for decks immediately, I guess?

[static finch]

i suppose galdur doesn't like it

when there's no loc

[dusty river]

I added some quick loc to fix it hopefully

😭

I made it into a run this time at least, lmao

Ayyyy, I got it!

well, partially anways, lol

[dusty river]

nice 👍 :3

[night prism]

well, here it's your fault

[dusty river]

still quite a ways to go, but

[night prism]

you used context while nil

[night prism]

are aces in the deck?

they shouldn't imo

[dusty river]

nope, lol, just haven't gotten around to replacing them yet

[night prism]

also i have no idea why the order is fucked up

[dusty river]

also, am not yet sure on how to actually add new cards into deck lol, only replace

so after ace, I have no idea how I'm gonna add 15 thru 20

[night prism]

what are you doing rn to replace them?

[dusty river]

took a look at tmd's kingdom deck

[static finch]

ultra based

[night prism]

a fellow member of the proletariat

[night prism]

smods probably adds some better way to do this

[static finch]

comrade

[night prism]

like they always do

[static finch]

https://soundcloud.com/ujico/hot-milk just stumbled upon this

ye olde

[dusty river]

also, only just realized this lol, how do we classify 11-20 as even/odd?

[night prism]

well, it depends on the jokers here

if it just checks the nominal then we don't need to do anything

[static finch]

i thought it worked off of chips

[night prism]

the nominal is the chips

[dusty river]

was in a blind which "debuffed all odd ranked cards" and noticed it didn't tank my 13s lol

[night prism]

i coded that lol

then that's my fault

[dusty river]

uhhhhhhh

blueprint is disabled rn

[night prism]

fixed

we forgot to add 11 after 10

[dusty river]

ahhh okey

[night prism]

test this to make sure

commit the deck @dusty river , even if it's unfinished

i found an easy way to do it i think

[dusty river]

I already did 👍

[night prism]

it works now

i just need to remove face cards and aces from the deck window

it works with modded suits too

[dusty river]

oooo, interesting

[night prism]

i fixed a few things in the last commit

rn the ranks list in the deck window is an absolute mess

[static finch]

@night prism

i have come to a revelation

height nerf jimbo

gains chips per card removed

loses chips if you add cards

[night prism]

as much as i love this effect, this is crazy broken lol

[dusty river]

hehehe, Woah Joker, he big now

[night prism]

this with a few retrigger effects can easily go in the thousands of chips

[dusty river]

hmmm

[night prism]

actually not even much, just 13 20s are enough to get to 1040 chips

[dusty river]

I could see it being an Unbound for wee joker maybe?

tho I'm not sure if that's possible or if what it's condition would be

[night prism]

nah

they have different requirements

you'd need to switch build

[dusty river]

mhh, yeah

[static finch]

make it a legendary

or somethin

[static finch]

also is anyone gonna give me feedback on this

[dusty river]

mhhh

[dusty river]

what is this in refrence to? I'm curious

[static finch]

the dumbass brawl stars meme

[dusty river]

lmaoooo

[static finch]

i've seen like 20 of these for different stuff

and it's been 2 days

[dusty river]

yeah, I like the idea 👍 cool joker idea

[static finch]

ikr

should benefit most builds

almost all*

[night prism]

we need to fix this lol

[static finch]

E

did anyone do an E rank

[dusty river]

yeah, lol

[night prism]

unstable

[static finch]

aw crap

well not an E rank

[dusty river]

I think there should be a scrollbar, ideally

as at some point, with lots of mods, or even just this one, you may end up naturally coming to a point where the amount of ranks or suits in deck is so much that it makes the buttons move offscreen

[static finch]

something something hey that happened to me

(i was going for a clusterfuck build)

[night prism]

well, i have no idea how to do that

but it would be cool

[static finch]

revo's words echo through your mind

"do not touch ui, i hate ui"

[night prism]

i'd just make a qol mod just for that

if i knew how to do it

https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1353804158549102692 this is not the right thing sadly

[static finch]

rip

[night prism]

lol the button doesn't even fit on screen

btw

[static finch]

i like blabbering

[dusty river]

lol, hehehehehehe

do we win the award for most autistic balatro mod yet

[static finch]

that should be our subtitle

trollskull

[night prism]

well, it's only 66% autistic

we can do more

[static finch]

we got a 6 build

[static finch]

go get a diagnosis

mr normalcy

[night prism]

real

[dusty river]

do you think we should have a unique term for ranks 11-20?
I feel like a lot of text might end up saying "11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20" or "ranks 11 through 20"
I'm thinking maybe Mega Ranks?

sort of in the same way that Paperback and such use Dark and Light suits

Mega Rank could just refer to ranks higher than the standard 52 card deck

[night prism]

mega sounds to silly imo, in the code i'm referencing them as high ranks

[dusty river]

I thought high ranks felt a little, idk, average to me? Like, I feel like a 10 would be considered a high rank, in my head.
Tho, u may be right actually, my minds starting to think maybe, lol, hehe.

[static finch]

bonus ranks?

[dusty river]

yeah, I honestly think u may be right here, tho, maybe we should think of some others too?

[dusty river]

problem there, at least to me, is

I keep accidently hitting enter to soon lmao

[static finch]

i do that constantly

:3

autism types

[night prism]

the word bonus is already used for so many things

[dusty river]

damn google sheets, using control instead of shift, like lunatics

[static finch]

riiiight

true

extra ranks?

[night prism]

they are not extra tough

[dusty river]

another issue I had with it, is that it loses the "high" nature of it, it goes from being anything above standard, to anything OTHER THAN standard

[night prism]

they are just bigger

[static finch]

i mean

[dusty river]

extra could work as a term for all other ranks tho

[static finch]

riiight

fuck

what else

teen ranks?

maybe not

there's 20 there

[dusty river]

lmaooo

that makes me think there should be a teen joker

[night prism]

macro ranks? still to silly imo

[dusty river]

for 13 through 17

[static finch]

...e621 called

i will not elaborate further

[dusty river]

I honestly like the power of "Mega" and "Macro"

[static finch]

mega ranks sounds like 42 and onwards material to me

[dusty river]

ultra sounds silly, until a cool game uses it in it's name, like Ultrakill

[static finch]

it's ULTLRA bloody

and ULTRAgay

[night prism]

ultrakill sounds silly too

[dusty river]

honestly, I think I agree actually, Mega sounds like 50+ to me, not 10+

[dusty river]

NO, BAD sprays with water bottle

[static finch]

some people would like that

though i doubt that's gulag

[night prism]

seltzer, now i will trigger twice

[static finch]

say that again

well i got no ideaaa

[dusty river]

you are now mitosis

[static finch]

autismitosis

well if i come up with anything else i'll say

OH WAIT

gilded ranks

[dusty river]

ooooo, hmm

[static finch]

cause the beeg suits have the little shine

[dusty river]

ok, that's a cool term, but

[static finch]

indicating they're worth 10

[dusty river]

I think "gilded ranks" should be for the new face cards

maybe

[static finch]

that's hierarchy faces

what's gilded about a peasant

[night prism]

yeah, no, not at all

[static finch]

humongous bo-

anwyay, i'll go bingewatch arc-v

byeeee

[dusty river]

"Scored Whopping Ranked cards give +20 Chips"

[night prism]

lol

"mammoth ranks"

[dusty river]

Jumbo Jimbo

[static finch]

that's a thing

something something jen

[night prism]

"something to write about ranks"

[static finch]

"man this rank really is somethin"

what about calling them illegal ranks like D&DG does it

(i still think gilded is the best one, just make the little sheen golden on the beeg suits)

[dusty river]

honestly, I like gilded I think

[static finch]

finally

i do something good for once

[dusty river]

tho, I think the card's appearance should be altered slightly to work with that theming more

[static finch]

also stargazer magician is just ripoff izanagi-no-okami

[night prism]

what's gilded about the number 13?

[dusty river]

nothing much, just like, a golden rim I think

[static finch]

THAT WAS WHAT I SAID

[static finch]

it's special, shiny, illegal and cool

(illegal is best)

[night prism]

i prefer illegal

[static finch]

(i need a myriad truths joker)

[dusty river]

what's illegal about the number 13?

[static finch]

it shouldn't exist

[night prism]

gilded is pretty specific

[dusty river]

"You have a 13 written on your shirt, you're under arrest!!"

[night prism]

it's not legal in poker

to play with a 13 card

[dusty river]

neither are any of these joker cards lmao

[night prism]

they are though? all the other ranks are

no one complained when D&DG did it

[static finch]

uuuuh i wanna see you try to play poker while the other guy you're against pulls ranks out his ass to win every time

[static finch]

I LOVE BLANK CARDS

I LOVE CUE CARDS

I LOVE 1S

GIVE ME MOOOORE

do we even have a 1 rank

not ace just 1

[dusty river]

idk, I guess I just like the feel of guilded more here

[static finch]

guilded

[night prism]

it's to specific imo

[dusty river]

it's a bit easier to make visible on the card to

[static finch]

i like guilds

[dusty river]

also, illegal would bring up the earlier issue

[night prism]

if i hear the word gilded, i don't think of big numbers

i think of gold

[dusty river]

because a "Negative 2" rank, would also be illegal

[static finch]

I LOVE NEGATIVE CAAAARDS

[night prism]

yes

[dusty river]

that's why I wanted to give them a golden rim

[static finch]

make them golden

duh

not complete gold

just slightly

so they're gilded

[night prism]

this makes them pretty distinct them

[static finch]

like this

should be golden

instead of light blue

[dusty river]

idk, I'm just trying to think of stuff here, lol

[static finch]

that's the damn point

so i won't confuse them for normal ranks

[dusty river]

not imo, I think the gold rim should be

[dusty river]

the edge of the card

subtle

[static finch]

what about both

consider visual clarity

as i am blind

[dusty river]

I mean, to be fair, you are so blind that I don't think it'd matter lol

/j lol

[static finch]

THANK YOU HUH

boykisserSad~2

[dusty river]

tho, to be fair, I think we could work it by making it just have the rim on the symbol if you are using the high contrast

[static finch]

YES

this is best

[night prism]

i think gilded sounds to much like an enhancement

[static finch]

agreed

[static finch]

it maybe is one too

i can't remember

[dusty river]

it isn't lol

actually, now that I think about it, it's already an augment's name, lmao

so, back to square one? lmao

[night prism]

i think it fits more for that

[static finch]

fuuuck

reinforced ranks?

[night prism]

the issue i have is that gilded does not imply them being big at all

i could easily imagine a gilded 3

[dusty river]

true

[static finch]

well uh

my new idea

is that the beeg suits look heavy

and are shiny anyway

just not gold

[night prism]

lol

[static finch]

MUCHO RANK FOR YOU KIND SIR

lavish sounds too posh

[dusty river]

I found "Eager Beaver" in my search lmao

[night prism]

what?

[static finch]

BEAVER RANKS

this is GENIUS

[static finch]

"calm down liberal"

[dusty river]

honestly, hate to say it, but, I think the ones that make the most sense are
Mega for numbered ranks larger than 10
Micro for numbered ranks lower than 2

[static finch]

what, we gonna do a 0.5?

[night prism]

macro and micro then

[dusty river]

tru, this is also an option, tho, I think having macro and micro might be a bit Dyslexia causing lol

[static finch]

...those terms sound outta place to me

[dusty river]

as they are only 1 letter away from each other

[static finch]

i don't think i can fix my dirty mind

[night prism]

mega's opposite would be mini though

not micro

[dusty river]

idk, I'm trying to go for what's good in all these areas, I don't want poor visibility, I want the name to sound good, and I want it to make sense

macro and micro go well for the latter 2, but not the first

[dusty river]

incase it looks like I'm being rude here, I wish to inform you that this so me fr
https://www.tumblr.com/paper-mario-wiki/781907639175086080?source=share

[night prism]

real

[static finch]

and this is why i split my messages

also because i fear getting people bored

as they could stop reading :3

[night prism]

why does this exist?

[static finch]

AAAAH

MY EYES

we may be autistic but vs light mode is a disgrace

[night prism]

this should be punishable by death

[static finch]

real

bring back the late 1700s french ways

[night prism]

i guess this is a way of doing it

this is the most i can do

i think it's fine for now

[night prism]

i committed this

i hate ui so much man

this was easier than i anticipated though

[night prism]

@dusty river @static finch what do you think of this as a solution?

[static finch]

ABSOLUTELY GLORIOUS

[static finch]

@night prism you know what would be fun

an action card consumable

like, codex arcanum's stuff but not useless

[night prism]

like?

[static finch]

oh

right

you didn't watch this hyperspecific ygo season did you

essentially just plot device quickplay spells

that exist only in the anime as far as i'm aware

because we legalized cheating like 3 seasons after the og anime ended

[night prism]

codex arcanum doesn't not work not because they are bad, but the idea is fundamentally flawed

i think there's almost no way of making consumables without permanent effects work

[static finch]

...auxiliary cards are good

[night prism]

i mean, codex is playable, but it just does not feel right

[static finch]

they're just crappy

in codex

[night prism]

they have permanent effects though

[static finch]

+3 handzise for this round is useful

and it's not permanent

+3 hands and +3 discards are also good efffects and only last 1 round

[night prism]

yeah, but that's one card, making a whole set for it does not really work

[static finch]

no it's 3

3 cards

[night prism]

i also have kraken in prism which does the same

[static finch]

also it'd be in the middle of tarots

for the funzies

some ygo cards are based off of arcana anyway

[night prism]

the issue with alchemicals is that you can't rely on those effects to win, and they are useless if used only a few times

since every blind is harder than the previous one

they are only useful in cases in which you deliberately take more risks

[static finch]

yeah my point also the effects are WEAK

well anyway matters not

[night prism]

in a game like slay the spire it would make sense since you sometimes have harder encunter

[static finch]

stuff like, +700 atk for the remainder of one's turn doesn't seem bad to me

in anime context

[night prism]

also your health is shared between fights

[static finch]

or halving battle damage and shielding a mosnter

or all that other crap

so

[night prism]

wich means that even an easy fight can be deadly if u are low

[static finch]

one offs which actually matter

[static finch]

ik

i played slay the spire

and sucked but still

[night prism]

the issue is that this doesn't work

when would you realistically use them?

[static finch]

depends on the effect