Resurgence (WIP) - Primordial Arts

[night prism]

how often did i do things in prism because i got suggested by someone?

[static finch]

very often since I came in :3

[dusty river]

I kept saying stuff originally like "I like 'Itself' personally"

[night prism]

i thought i did too until i met you 2

[dusty river]

when saying this, I was kinda trying to say "your opinion is valid, but I personally would like to go with this"

[static finch]

group projects are always hell

[dusty river]

and I guess my point didn't reach, cuz, the discussion just kept going? lol

[static finch]

if you say "personally I like this" and then don't specify you would just like it as is without considering our opinions

why ask me for reasons

and why go on

just say "I won't change it, it's just a name and is unimportant"

or something idk

[dusty river]

I didn't tho, at least, I don't think I did

[static finch]

.

.

what's this then

[dusty river]

those questions were while I was already in panic attack mode

[static finch]

okay but you uh you did ask no?

[dusty river]

the discussion started before that

[night prism]

i think the issue is always the same, people just don't want to listen to each other, but u need to do so when working in a team

[static finch]

thank you for blaming me for the only thing I didn't do I think

appreciate it :3

[night prism]

and it was a peaceful discussion if i remember correctly

[dusty river]

when I say "imo" that doesn't mean "I need to hear how much you believe to be factually correct in this"

[night prism]

where did i do that?

[static finch]

I said I didn't do

not you did

[static finch]

that's not clear though is it

how am I supposed to know that

[night prism]

you said i blamed you

[static finch]

wait fuck I misread

nevermind :3

[night prism]

many such cases

[static finch]

reading stuff on my phone in the dead of night isn't the best

[static finch]

ikr it's like it's the other half of my personality excluding being gay

[dusty river]

notice how every single message I sent before the terraria one said "personally" or "imo"

[static finch]

...okay but do I really have to think this hard about everything you say

also this doesn't imply you don't wanna change it

it just reaffirms you prefer it personally, keyword being ONLY YOU until proven otherwise

[night prism]

well, when you say something it's implied it's your opinion anyway

[dusty river]

...

[night prism]

unless you are talking about science or stuff like that

[static finch]

trust the science

https://tenor.com/view/yeah-science-smile-gif-22106579

[night prism]

i simply don't understand how people expressing other opinion is an issue, no one is forcing u to do anything here

[static finch]

"I don't wanna change this" isn't "I think so"

is it

just SAY IT and we won't argue over nothing

and make you panic

[dusty river]

I need to be better at talking I think, it's hard for me to, like, make demands like that

I guess

[foggy cedar]

I think that's a standard neurodivergent thing

[night prism]

understand i can't retain myself from expressing my thought because there's risk u feel treatened

[night prism]

i feel this team has to many neurodivergent people lol

[static finch]

oh thanks

appreciate the neuracism

[static finch]

I dunno I think I'm pretty clear

I'd like a second opinion though

and a third

[foggy cedar]

Good luck finding otherwise in the balatro modding community, myself included

[night prism]

is ableism to bad of a word?

[static finch]

I WAS JOKING

AND MAKING A BAD PUN

[night prism]

i'm fine with what i have

[static finch]

CAN I?

[night prism]

you can

[static finch]

yay I'm fine as an incompetent fuck :3

[night prism]

and so can i i hope

[foggy cedar]

I mean... I am too. It sucks that anyone isn't

[static finch]

that could've been worded better

[static finch]

think

if everyone is divergent nobody is

so you'd make this a paradox

[static finch]

anyway no I am the bad pun person round here

you cannot

[dusty river]

As a start to trying to be better at talking and kind of stand my ground a bit, I guess

Can we not talk about the naming thing for the rest of today? This whole situation is giving me a headache and making me feel bad, lol

[foggy cedar]

Well that's always been the problem. It's always been an all inclusive spectrum just one part of it is deluded into thinking they're 'normal'

[static finch]

we stopped already

[static finch]

it was not what I was saying

regardless the majority always takes power, proven a large enough imbalance

[foggy cedar]

I mean... I wasn't really agreeing or disagreeing with what you were saying, just adding tangentially

[static finch]

delusions like this are our thought processes' fault

[night prism]

i feel people forget that's an actual disability sometimes

[static finch]

so if the "normal" ones are convinced

it's to make it simple to understand and rationalize

[static finch]

technically not always

[night prism]

more like a ton of them really, it's a very inclusive term

[static finch]

well, abnormality

that usually results in a disability compared to the majority

[night prism]

not always, but always a disorder of some kind

[static finch]

order is relative

entropy is forever increasing

just like them new shiny inverse tarots

[night prism]

not in the psychiatric sense

but true

[static finch]

our brains try to conceive a normal

just to not be in said chaos

[night prism]

we made up the concept of normal

[static finch]

nothing makes sense unless we make it make sense four ourselves

no?

[foggy cedar]

Pathologiization is yucky. And I'm not uwu aspie or anything. I'm autistic, sure but I'm also diagnosed with Bipolar and schicieffective. I still do not think of myself as disordered

[night prism]

and as such we can chose what it means

[static finch]

all I can say is that however you name it all that changes is something from the "normal"

[night prism]

i guess, it's complicated

[static finch]

which should be less superimposed on everything on a baseline

but that's our nature and most people don't feel like making it complex

if it doesn't affect them

so

they don't care

[night prism]

those are all meaningless labels anyway

[static finch]

the meaning remains only looking from the "normality" we made

so technically useful, just from the majority's pov

[night prism]

and they make sense only in a more techical context

if u want to use them strictly i mean

[foggy cedar]

I'd agree yes. It's segmenting a continum of human experience and not always in a very useful way

[static finch]

I suppose but the problem is that people can label themselves so they lose all technical meaning if the auto-imposed ones count as much as the diagnosed ones

[static finch]

"a continuous stream of impressions"

[night prism]

it's a inherit problem with language

[static finch]

inherent?

:3

[minor oracle]

a lot of the distinctions people make are useless anyway, a lot of people get marked as different for simply being past the acceptable boundary of how weird you can be even if it doesnt matter

[foggy cedar]

I mean... I think autism is primarily a socio-cultural identity like sexual orientation and that doesn't make it less real

But that's a hot take I know

[static finch]

society sucks

[night prism]

meaning is attributed in very different ways by different people and in different contexts

[night prism]

i said it right

[static finch]

the ways people interpret reality are objectively different and unchangeable but if you don't get something you don't get something

[night prism]

for sure

[static finch]

you say

[foggy cedar]

Yes. As are the folks that get one's pp hard

[static finch]

why would it be?

[foggy cedar]

It's an apt comparison

[minor oracle]

i think labels as a whole are generally meaningless but it is useful to actually know what people need if they need any help at all its just that theres an overextension of the concept for people who are completely fine just cause they are a little too weird

[static finch]

everything of course :3

[night prism]

though this is more of a medical discussion, for more competent people than me to have

[night prism]

it's an actual debate in psychology

[static finch]

or people who long to be weird but just aren't weird enough and need to be accepted as they are on the crossroads

[night prism]

not everyone agrees on this

[minor oracle]

theres probably something substantive to it, i think people are genuinely different but in a way thats completely meaningless it doesnt change anything other than cause society is built to benefit one type of person

[static finch]

the common denominator is always rigged

[minor oracle]

its the same sort of deal as being a night person, there probably is a real reason behind it but its not something that matters other than because society favours being a morning person

[static finch]

so real

if only I could live like that

[minor oracle]

the distinction wouldnt exist ideally but that doesnt mean that the reasons behind it dont exist or that its not real

[static finch]

(I have a tangible excuse)

[static finch]

there are practical and structural reasons for that favoritism

[night prism]

yeah, different mean nothing, everyone is different in some way, that denominator totally depends on what aspects you consider more relevant for normalcy

[static finch]

which we as individuals cannot shift

[minor oracle]

idk i really suck at focusing which is an issue and not just because society is built in a specific way like i have a hard time even doing things i enjoy in my free time because of it so thats a good example of a case where it actually matters

because i would benefit from someone knowing whats going on

[night prism]

yeah

[minor oracle]

but other things like being autistic its like, does this really matter like at all

[static finch]

me fr

[night prism]

but that being anormal is a societal thing

[minor oracle]

its more useful to consider what actually has a meaningfully negative impact on your life and not just because society sucks

[static finch]

so many more people would be "abnormal" if society let them be freely

[night prism]

like, trees are real, they exist, but the fact we call them trees is made up

[night prism]

for sure

i'm talking linguistics here

[minor oracle]

to use the same example from before people dont need help if they sleep in the day and wake up at night even if it can be beneficial to not do so just because society = bad

[static finch]

the problem is dividing what has a negative impact because society sucks

[dusty river]

tree? vampirica refrence? /j

[night prism]

i feel we are talking about different things

[minor oracle]

probably

[static finch]

oh go back to your treemension

[minor oracle]

im not good at staying on topic

[static finch]

YOU KNOW WHO ELSE

[night prism]

there's both a real phenomenon and the way we describe that phenomenon in language

[static finch]

imagine if I turned this into a psychological debate :3

[night prism]

things are both real and not real depending on what you refer to

[minor oracle]

wrong: nothing is real this is a simulation

[static finch]

they are also generalized and often too abstract to quantify without an example, which makes reference points biased too

[night prism]

this is imo the main source of all the confusion around stuff like gender, or even race

[static finch]

to some extent

[night prism]

also the act that academic speech has infiltrated into common speech, when those use very different rules and conventions

but i believe this whole thing is 90% a language thing

and 10% and actual disagreement on empirical reality

[minor oracle]

people like to sound smart even if its detrimental to communicating things clearly

jargon is a plague on communication to the average person

[night prism]

people suck at communicating

[minor oracle]

this is why i always clarify everything i say like 5 times

in different ways

[night prism]

sophistry is do prevalent nowdays

[static finch]

dumb people trying to fit in a smart world or a smart world catering to dumb people?

[minor oracle]

neither

we do not live in a smart world

[static finch]

heh

thought I gotcha there

[night prism]

i'm a huge linguistics nerd so this is a topic i've thought many times about

[static finch]

jokes aside, I was not planning on discussing such fine topics at 2am

[minor oracle]

i always just get super existential instead

[static finch]

I just go for the most pragmatic solution

why do a roundabout if you want something

just say it

[night prism]

me neither, but life always surprises us

[static finch]

and see how it goes

[minor oracle]

meh this is my average 1am conversation

either that or entropy stuff these days

[dusty river]

it's 8pm for me

[static finch]

both unnecessarily complex and prone to topic shifts

smart

set yourself up

[night prism]

this are the type of convos i have while drunk at 2am after a night with friends

while everyone is going back home

[minor oracle]

i just have a lot of thoughts about everything because i do not really do anything that important so i get to think a lot

[night prism]

and it's just me and another dude

[night prism]

me fr

[minor oracle]

i havent been drunk in a while

[night prism]

i have been drunk like, 3 times in my life

[minor oracle]

i dont mind it but i also dont want to do it just because i have the opportunity to

seems like a bad pathway

[night prism]

i only ever did that in special occasions really

like when i turned 18

[minor oracle]

ive been really badly drunk like 1 time before and it kinda put me off it for a while

[night prism]

i'm sure milo will have a blast when they do

[static finch]

not demo TF2

0/10

[static finch]

no

I won't

[minor oracle]

all i remember from that night is that i kept blacking out and i woke up in the bathtub covered in vomit so not good

[night prism]

i never was drunk enough to feel really bad i think

the best convos, going from names for jokers to psychology to being drunk

anyway, all of this made me forget i was coding

[static finch]

bruh

[minor oracle]

im meant to be conceptualising endless entropy

but im not doing that

[static finch]

the universe caught up with ya

[static finch]

this puzzles me

why would i

responsibilities falling on my like a damn landslide

[night prism]

i have a very good book by Enrico Fermi on entropy that i wanted to read in for a while

[static finch]

5th year of hs I can't procrastinate in

and nothing else

I don't get the hype

[minor oracle]

i hope that i can make endless entropy an actually fun blind but its gonna be very difficult because im really pedantic about making blinds just right

otherwise i would be a hypocrite

[night prism]

blinds are way trickier than they may seem

[minor oracle]

yea

[static finch]

you gonna ignore me or what

[minor oracle]

the main general concept rn is that its a blind that always appears on ante 32 with 3 phases and i want it to generally be beatable but difficult for the vast majority of builds

[night prism]

what?

[static finch]

tight rope you chose to walk

[static finch]

.

[night prism]

i missed that message

i was just auguring u a good time

[minor oracle]

being hungover is like the worst part and its not even that bad for me cause i always sleep in and wake up with a headache feeling sick anyway since my immune system fucking sucks

[static finch]

on days like these

[static finch]

how much

[minor oracle]

how much what?

[static finch]

does it suck

[minor oracle]

its bad but its not that bad unless you drink more than you probably should anyway

[night prism]

you should try it yourself

[static finch]

cause I got all the major annoying allergies except food, immunodeficiency as a result of my magical genetic disorder and constant bronchitis and asthma not helping

[static finch]

I tried alcohol and it blows

[minor oracle]

my immune system is so bad i swear i literally always have some illness

[static finch]

how can you people drink that shit

[minor oracle]

some of it is actually not that bad

[static finch]

mate I've been constantly sick since November of last year

[night prism]

i'd argue you wouldn't be hungover in the first place if you didn't drink more than you should have

[static finch]

uh

[minor oracle]

depends

[static finch]

wasn't it the point?

[night prism]

it is

[static finch]

isn't hangover there when you drink too much and only when you do that?

[night prism]

drinking is not about doing the right amount of it

[static finch]

drinking is useless, unhealthy and alcohol sucks ass

all I have to say

[night prism]

indeed, that's why i said that

[static finch]

I don't need to ruin another body part of mine, I already came with a crappy one

[minor oracle]

its always about drinking more than everyone else to assert dominance

[night prism]

so real

[static finch]

and then being ultra miserable

wow

ingenious

[minor oracle]

im ultra miserable anyway so its fine

[static finch]

being the one driving them all back wasted is the real hero material

[static finch]

skill issue

:3

[night prism]

well, a lot of drinks taste pretty good

[minor oracle]

being super cynical and miserable is how i have the motivation to make things that suck marginally less

aka out of spite

[dusty river]

hey, hey, hey :33
guess who just coded a working joker on her own :3333

[night prism]

but i don't drink often anyway

[static finch]

I'll stick to my lemon soda thank you

[minor oracle]

i dont drink that much anymore anyway

[static finch]

I'd do that if I wasn't lazy as fuck

[static finch]

thank you for making me feel miserable today too :3

also useless

can't forget that one

[minor oracle]

i would drink more cream soda if i wasnt the only person in my family who liked it

[night prism]

just add a bit of gin to it

[static finch]

bruh

i despise that too

why ruin a perfectly good soda

I don't get you people

[night prism]

well, it's just personal taste anyway

[night prism]

the one good thing is that you'll not have all your savings sucked from you

[static finch]

I suppose

[static finch]

you won't* :3

[dusty river]

sorry 😔
lol, hehehehe

[static finch]

I know I am THE family cheapskate

[static finch]

blow up

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1181882990666731560.png?v=1&size=48&quality=lossless

well what joker did you make?

[night prism]

measured reaction

[static finch]

carefully

like nitroglycerin

thrown haphazardly out of a moving vehicle

[night prism]

alfred nobel still hasn't fixed it yet

[static finch]

he's dead

https://tenor.com/view/heavy-is-dead-tf2-delak-heavy-engineer-gif-11100942301935749844

[night prism]

this time for real

[static finch]

well

[night prism]

not like the last one

[static finch]

I shall have my free trial of death

with ads

this time

gnite for real this time

[night prism]

it would be very funny if after death u could watch an ad to revive

[static finch]

eww mobile game slop

you kept me awake 20 seconds more to read this

shame on you

[night prism]

i like my death permanent

[static finch]

something something roguelikes

something something oneshot too

can I sleep now

[night prism]

it's in the name after all

[static finch]

go play it

[night prism]

gn

[static finch]

gn :3

[dusty river]

gn!

the jimboys

[night prism]

mhh

[dusty river]

lmaoo

[minor oracle]

i love fucked up ranks 🔥

[night prism]

i'm honestly tempted of leaving it like this

they surprisingly don't break the game

[dusty river]

ooo?

[night prism]

like, they do nothing

u can just sell them for $1

[dusty river]

huh, interesting

[night prism]

perfectly normal game of balatro, i'd say

[dusty river]

I love it lol

[night prism]

i'll code the rest of the joker tomorrow

gn

[dusty river]

gn!

quick question if u wouldn't mind, before u log off gulag

would it be ok if I went a little rank crazy? Or would that be a bad idea, u thinks?

it's only in sheets rn, so I guess it doesn't matter to much, right?

ok, gn lol

[night prism]

Sorry i was already going to sleep

[night prism]

What do you mean by this?

[night prism]

ok, i saw the things you added on the sheet

didn't you say you disliked custom ranks?

[static finch]

yeah but they're fine if she makes them amirite

[night prism]

I like them regardless so it's fine for me

[static finch]

I mean I do too

the double standards annoy me though

[night prism]

this is peak btw

[static finch]

ikr

but do they work from the joker slots

[night prism]

they do nothing, you can sell them though

you can copy them with perkeo if u want

[static finch]

uh

can't you make them give +42 chips at least?

dunno sounds kinda weird they don't do anything

[night prism]

maybe i can

i'll take a look and see if i can make them activate in the jokers slots

[static finch]

i mean if enhancements applied there it'd be perfect

[night prism]

and consumables

[static finch]

ooo

[night prism]

that seems a bit much

i'd probably need to hard code every enhancement for that to work

[static finch]

eh no worries

I was just wondering

what about moving them to hand somehow

[night prism]

peak function from thunk here

[static finch]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-explode-cat-meme-kitten-cat-explode-gif-13959925379531485808

@night prism so i just discovered this exists, would be funny if it actually made royal flushes viable

as a joker i mean

it's a poker reference in a yugioh reference in a poker game

[night prism]

real

[static finch]

hmm

was trying to think of an effect but

nevermind, hear me out

as long as any flush contains a face card it counts as a royal flush

whatcha think

[night prism]

i mean, i think a straight flush support joker that just makes it useless to play straight flushes is a bit boring

[static finch]

tell me

WHO PLAYS STRAIGHT FLUSHES?

cause i never did

[night prism]

how is this relevant?

[static finch]

i either like it braindead, braindead not flush, or braindead with a deckbuild

[night prism]

the point is to make so that people do

so something like shortcut but for straight flushes imo

[static finch]

it's just to make straight flushes actually consistent and make the best version of them imo

[static finch]

so how would you do it

[night prism]

but what you did does not make straight flushes consistent

[static finch]

i mean ideally i'd make it an artifact

that appears if you play straight flushes

[night prism]

it just makes you play a flush build and it calls it straight flush build

[static finch]

it makes royal flushes almost guaranteed and it's braindead for a reason

[static finch]

i know that's my intention

[night prism]

and you intention sucks

[night prism]

this is even more stupid, why require you to play straight flushes and then make them useless

[static finch]

:3

[static finch]

technically isn't a royal flush just a straight flush

but shinier

well anyway, what would you propose then

[night prism]

something that makes straight flushes easier, but still keeps the original hand mostly the same

so it still requires a straight and a flush

[static finch]

sooo uh

the problem here is that everything that buffs those consequentially was made to buff either straights or flushes

and it becomes redundant

[night prism]

this is why we make it unique to straight flushes

let me reread the original effect from yugi because i didn't understand it yet

[static finch]

sure sure and how would you do that?

[static finch]

it requries all 3 poker knights in play to summon a pseudo-boss monster

[night prism]

this is what we are discussing

[night prism]

indeed

[static finch]

that can boardwipe sacrificing 5 lvl 5 or lower monsters from deck

but otherwise kinda sucks

[static finch]

i mean i personally would've likes something like maximized

just cranking it to the max

[night prism]

i think an effect that draws you cards for a straight flush under certain conditions would make sense

[static finch]

it's time for politics

[static finch]

hmm

deck searching is a YGO thing i suppose

[night prism]

yeah but it really does not introduce any new strategies, it's just a flush build in disguise

[night prism]

yeah this is what i thought

[static finch]

no, maximized is a flush five build in disguise

and i love flush five

[night prism]

i meant your idea, not maximized

[static finch]

oh

yeah that was the intention

it's as broken as maximized

[night prism]

i get u love flushes

but they already are a very easy and powerful build

giving it more support is not needed

[static finch]

is it

let me have some favoritism like a certain jen

jk btw i might have overdone this

so

how would you tirgger this deck search effect

i can't think of anything

[night prism]

playing a flush or straight draws a straight flush from deck

maybe

or a royal flush if possible

[static finch]

hm

i like it but

it would automatically become useless if

you lack the cards

for multiple

maybe you can also get discarded cards?

or played cards

[night prism]

well, you have 8 straight flushes in your deck by default

[static finch]

what about royals

[night prism]

4 of them obviously

but if u finished them you can draw more

[static finch]

also i'd imagine you don't have that many by the time you get this

[night prism]

well, it depends i guess

[static finch]

even if you use a single specteal to change a few ranks, or hanged man, or that stuff

it just breaks the straights

[night prism]

but you wouldn't do that in a straight build

and this is meant for that after all

obviously you can disrupt your deck, but that's true for every build

[static finch]

i mean

you won't always get that ante 2

or something like that

i'd just make it so it can redraw straight flushes and only those from discarded cards if you have no more in your deck

[night prism]

you know how many jokers are useless if u gt them late?

no one takes shortcut if they have been building for a 2 pair build the whole run

[static finch]

i mean duh but

nobody goes specifically for straight flushes do they

[night prism]

this is the point of this joker

[static finch]

heh.

[night prism]

if u get it early, or while you were already doing a straight build it's helpful

[static finch]

i guess so

but still

[night prism]

i feel it needs a lil buff

[static finch]

what about the drawing discarded cards thing

[static finch]

yeah

my point

[night prism]

i guess it makes sense

[static finch]

it's just utility and consistency this way

no?

[night prism]

exhuming stuff from the graveyard is a yugi thing too

[night prism]

yes, like shortcut after all

[static finch]

gravediggers saved my ass in legacy of the duelist

[night prism]

also this combos very well with it

[static finch]

ikr

[night prism]

with 4 fingers the amount of them goes to 12

with shortcut it becomes super consistent

finally seance build is viable /j

[static finch]

EWW

HOW COULD YOU SAY THIS

we need a joker that buffs the shit out of sèance

for the funzies

[night prism]

it's so funny that sèance gives you spectrals, which are probably the thing a straight flush build needs the least

most of them destruct your deck, which is the opposite of what that build wants

[night prism]

sèance the new jolly and splash

[static finch]

oh yeah

this would be stupid funny actually

we should

S jokers

i'm serious

[night prism]

42s now give chips from joker slots

actually, any playing card that somehow ends up there does now

[static finch]

intriguing

[night prism]

the tree is Life, Universe, and Everything

[static finch]

ay wait

where's the xmult

...

[night prism]

fuck, i forgot

[static finch]

you literally just went with what you said you would make it

or am i seeing it wrong

[night prism]

i was struggling making it work with the 42s in the joker slots and forgot to actually give it the xmult

i just added the mult first to test it

[static finch]

eh fair enough

[night prism]

and then i got lost into a 30 min rabbit hole to make it work right

[static finch]

not like i expect you to retcon this

[static finch]

rip

[night prism]

fixed

[static finch]

yay :3

[dusty river]

I'm awake, what cool stuffs have we done? what I miss?

[night prism]

@dusty river

[dusty river]

Nice!

[night prism]

i'm experiencing some serious lag, i'm not sure if it's milo's modpack or some issue with our mod

[dusty river]

mhh

btw, I added it completely by myself so I didn't get much feedback at the time, how does everyone feel about tall joker?

OH, also, how do I make it only show up if you have the enhancement in deck? like stone joker?

[night prism]

i didn't look at it

[night prism]

yeah

[dusty river]

has art and everything :3

[night prism]

why is it red though?

[dusty river]

idk, lmao

I changed it for, like, fun reasons

but, probs doesn't make much sense lol

[night prism]

i guess i'd expect it to be blue

[dusty river]

OOOh, right

forgot that was a thing in balatro, lol

I can change that rq :>

[static finch]

Clueless~1

[dusty river]

he's blue now :>

[static finch]

he blued himself

[dusty river]

sooooo, how do we do this?

[static finch]

lolz

i think he missed the HOW

[dusty river]

lmao

[static finch]

you should make the red one give more mult to mult cards

no?

also tf2 jokers

[night prism]

replace m_wild with m_bonus

[night prism]

also i'd use the same blue from jimbo

almost all jokers in balatro use the same blue color

same with red and orange

[dusty river]

mhh, I'll see if I can find the Odd Todd sprite

ahh, ok, litteraly the same blue as jimbo, ok

[night prism]

thunk said that himself when giving advice on making custom jokers, almost always use the red blue and orange from jimbo

it helps giving a more vanilla look to cards

[dusty river]

hows this look?

[night prism]

great

you left a bit of red

[dusty river]

oh, lmao

[dusty river]

hows balance tho, u think?

[night prism]

fine for a common

[dusty river]

okey 👍 was worried it may be a bit too much, hehe

[dusty river]

ok, so, more basic questions, lmao, as I wanna understand the code better-

[dusty river]

what does the "k" and "v" mean here? and what does "pairs" mean?

[night prism]

a table is a series of keys paired with values, pairs return those, k stands for key and v for value

[dusty river]

ahhh, ok

OH

I understand now, completely

so, it's checking, card by card, to see if any of them have the value "m_wild" on them?

[night prism]

indeed

[dusty river]

this right?

[night prism]

extra comma after pairs

and you miss "do"

[dusty river]

thanku

I commited it, also, I learned a little trick from looking at the code in MoreFluff :3

[night prism]

what did you learn?

[dusty river]

tall joker is now taller :3

[night prism]

though it's also thinner, right?

[static finch]

now make him trans

[dusty river]

yup, for a bit of placebo I guess you could say

[night prism]

lol

[dusty river]

now that's one tall joker!

[static finch]

he's squish

[dusty river]

you gave me an idea milo :3

[night prism]

what did you do to my poor boy Steven?

[dusty river]

crushed, reduced to atoms

[night prism]

also, this is just doppler effect lol

stuff coming towards you looks more squished and red, while stuff moving away is stretched and blue

[night prism]

this looks exactly like the classic representation of the relativistic doppler effect, with the object coming towards you, the one right in front of you and the one moving away

crazy coincidence actually

[dusty river]

that is a crazy coincidence, lol

[static finch]

he has been squished

[night prism]

@static finch are there multiple mods that chanage the music in the modpack?

i disabled b-side but the music is still the same

[static finch]

huuh?

what the hell

[night prism]

it's not b-side that changes the music lol

it's another mod, the b-side music is different

i thought i was listening to b-side this whole time lol

[static finch]

WHAT?

which mod is it

[night prism]

no idea

[static finch]

am i that stupid

[night prism]

also, the b-side theme is so fire

also, what the hell is the zenith music from entropy lol

have u listened to it @static finch ?

[static finch]

the what

[night prism]

oh, i know where it's from

it's speed up in the files and it sounds so crazy lol

[dusty river]

guys, we have a problem lmao

standard packs ONLY have 42s in them, even without the joker

[night prism]

oh

[static finch]

crap

oooooh

this gives me an idea

though

let's pull a D&DJ and make double digit packs

[dusty river]

ooooo, good call :3

(btw, I've been trying to embrace the rank thing, as you may have noticed lol)

I was trying to make ranks that were larger than 10 but could still make straights

[night prism]

btw the music is from OpandorasBox

[dusty river]

(we should make a "Numbers Deck 2" that has ranks 2-100 hehehe)

[static finch]

ah

interesting

[static finch]

"BUT I DON'T WANT FILLER RANKS THAT DO NOTING"

[dusty river]

listen, you might not like straights, but I do lmao

[dusty river]

also, people are allowed to experiment and change their mind

[static finch]

sure but

[night prism]

also pleas listen to the zenith theme from entropy, it's hilarious when speed up in the game files

[static finch]

a complete 180 is weird anyway

[dusty river]

such as gulag, who is allowed to tell me that she's a trans woman any time she likes

[static finch]

just send it

i don't think ruby will kill us for it

[static finch]

and that she's bi

and is actually 10 years older than she said

[static finch]

this sounds like a mockup ultrakill theme

[dusty river]

it's less of a 180 and more of an experiment, I guess, I'm trying to come up with rank ideas to try and learn the joy of them, I guess

kinda

[static finch]

so question

you plan on making literally every rank from 11 to 100?

[dusty river]

sure lol, tho, that was half-joking

unless that'd be crash-causing

[night prism]

i'm not drawing those

[dusty river]

I could

[night prism]

it would be faster to make an algorithms that does it automatically than actually drawing them by hand lol

[dusty river]

what's a simple 1,000+ sprites

[static finch]

lolz

[night prism]

but personally i don't like it, it makes 42s less unique

[static finch]

i don't think this is a good idea

[static finch]

yeah i'd make just funny numbers

have special ranks

so it keeps meme factor

(420 rank when)

(911 rank when)

(621 rank when)

(also 34)

[night prism]

1984 of spades incoming

[dusty river]

idk, I like straight builds lol, and the new ranks aren't really suited with them lol

[static finch]

i hate straights

i hate thinking

[dusty river]

I'd like to run a build that could be a straight build and a 42 build somehow

[static finch]

i can't see numbers well

i despise straights

[night prism]

it shows <3

[dusty river]

kintergarden ass statement

[night prism]

real

[static finch]

3:

[night prism]

well, no rank specific builds can also be straight builds

as a straight can only have one of each rank

and ideally you want to play as many of them as possible

[dusty river]

fair, I guess

[static finch]

explode :3

[night prism]

42 of a kind build when?

[static finch]

yes.

well it should be the everything hand

[dusty river]

I dunno, I guess I just don't understand the appeal of new ranks, then

as in, I don't think I could make a new rank

[night prism]

you just proposed to add 90 of them

[dusty river]

myself

[dusty river]

I don't know wtf I'm saying rn lmao

[static finch]

bruh

SEE THAT WAS A STUPID 180

[dusty river]

also, it's 88 actually

[night prism]

well, since unstable already covered the new numbers

why not add new face cards?

[static finch]

...i must not make the joke

i must not make the joke

[static finch]

something something showdown already adds face cards

[dusty river]

mhhm

[night prism]

what faces does it add?

[dusty river]

I have never heard of this mod

[night prism]

neither did i

[dusty river]

is mathemitician/numbers deck too far too? just curious here if I need to backpedal those 2

[static finch]

butler, princess and lord

[night prism]

president of spades

[night prism]

i like it

[dusty river]

boring ass face cards

[static finch]

i know

but they exist

[dusty river]

srry, lol

[static finch]

literally just an excuse to make crappy decimals

for faces

[night prism]

pope of spades

[dusty river]

mayor of spades

[night prism]

accountant of spades

[dusty river]

reddit mod of spades

[night prism]

CEO of spades

[night prism]

lol

[static finch]

oh god no

knight of spades

makes much more sense

i got an idea

[night prism]

too basic

[static finch]

what about an unique face card

for every suit

like

[night prism]

thats's just italian cards

[static finch]

shush

[night prism]

well, coding it will be annoying

[static finch]

like, knight of spades, cleric of hearts, banker of diamonds and sage of clubs

[dusty river]

well, for face cards, I have 2 ideas rn

[night prism]

it already is annoying for alpha and omega

[dusty river]

1 more grounded

[night prism]

i think silly faces are funny

i want them

[dusty river]

Fool of Spades

that's a suggestion

[night prism]

i guess

we already have the tarot though

so it may be better to find something different

[static finch]

IS THAT PERSONA 5

[dusty river]

I mean, the words joker, buffoon, and clown are reused constantly lol

[night prism]

landowner of spades

[static finch]

eugh

[dusty river]

fool's just another one

[static finch]

this is literally southern italy

[static finch]

i mean i like the concept

[dusty river]

Bourgeoise of Spades

[night prism]

that's not the full name of the card though

[static finch]

but what would be it's use

[night prism]

real

[night prism]

the same as new numbers?

[dusty river]

what is the use of a 42 or 69?

[night prism]

make a deck that has only face cards lol

[dusty river]

lmaooo that'd actually be so funny, I like this

[night prism]

with the whole social hirearchy

[dusty river]

have enough face cards to keep it a 52 card deck

[night prism]

from pesant to king

[static finch]

my bad

i meant it's value

[dusty river]

ahhh

[night prism]

well, all the vanilla one have 10 chips

[dusty river]

that actually is a good question now that I think of it,
I was assuming 10 like the other face cards, but, it could be different

maybe "misprint" it? that may be interesting for a Fool rank

random value between 0 and 20

[night prism]

fool should be the equivalent of the ace

being both the worst and the best

[dusty river]

mhhh I can see that

[night prism]

it's already the case in tarots in a way

since it's the only non numbered one

in balatro it's number 0, but traditionally it often had no number at all

[static finch]

it should reference my boy joker

persona 5 joker

his arcana is the fool anyway

[night prism]

btw, the previous owner of my house was a cartomancer and he left 2 old tarot decks here

they are very cool

tarocco piemontese

unrelated i know

[static finch]

...let's base it on those

that'd be unique

[night prism]

paperback has called

[static finch]

Clueless~1

that has is redundant

[dusty river]

the "Fool" in "Fool of Spades" was supposed to refrence jesters btw

in case that wasn't clear

[night prism]

those are not based on tarocco piemontese, but are the same cards

the designs are based on Rider–Waite Tarot though

like the vanilla tarots

[static finch]

https://tenor.com/view/persona5-joker-ren-amamiya-p5-rain-gif-26150012

not him?

[night prism]

yeah it was

[static finch]

i think the fool

should copy a random car'd value in your hand

it'd be interesting and not completely random

[night prism]

These are so sick

[static finch]

you like shirtless kinda androgynous people don't you

[night prism]

That's clearly a star

It says so on the card duh

[static finch]

just A star?

it said the stars

are you dumb

[dusty river]

it's a stelle actually

[static finch]

https://tenor.com/view/you-picked-the-wrong-house-fool-cj-big-smoke-splatoon-smg4-gif-24026511

[night prism]

There are multiple in the picture

That's just one of them

[static finch]

suuuure

there's the sun and the stars

but i was talking about the stars in particular

[night prism]

The lion on strength is very goofy

[static finch]

my ass can't see well

and can't turn my neck 100 something degrees either

imagine doing both

[dusty river]

Increase 2 selected cards' ranks by 1, skips face cards and aces, going from 10 till 20, when it then goes back to 2 how would I word this music card better?

[night prism]

No need to explain everything there

Just say it skips face cards

Let the players fugure out the rest

[static finch]

we need 11-20 ranks tho

[dusty river]

mhh, nice, thanku

[dusty river]

we don't have them yet, but they are in the list

[static finch]

aye

[night prism]

also this will create issues with unstable probably

[dusty river]

probably, tho, I'd assume most mods that add new ranks would

[night prism]

i'd say, while we have unstable we disable our equivalent ranks

[static finch]

yeah

[night prism]

most don't add the same ranks as unstable

[static finch]

something something unstable EX compat?

[dusty river]

there should be a, like, utility mod for modders that helps add rank compatibility or something

that'd be nice I think

[night prism]

well, that's not our responsability

[static finch]

compatability

[night prism]

it's not that easy

[dusty river]

that's what I said, no?

[night prism]

exactly

that's the issue

[dusty river]

they normally reply with a single word like that when someone mispells something lol, I thought that was what they was saying

[night prism]

you mispelled the word

and they repeated it

[static finch]

:3

[dusty river]

lmaoo

[night prism]

you joining the blindness competition?

[static finch]

YOU WILL NEVER BEAT MEEE

[dusty river]

😭 I thought they said the correct one and I was comparing them lmao

[night prism]

native english speaker here

[static finch]

you mean me

[night prism]

i'd cede my native right to them if i were you

i need to fill those spaces

[static finch]

nah

i speak well i'd argue

[night prism]

also someone must draw all of them

[static finch]

cardinal

i guess?

were they lower even

wait just priest

[dusty river]

jack should be lower, then

[night prism]

i'd argue that would be better than jack

[dusty river]

cuz jack is just, a dude, lol

[night prism]

i'm not gonna change that though

[night prism]

a soldier

not just any dude

but yeah

i'd retcon jack being more important

making them princes ore something

[static finch]

this is very cool

ngl

[night prism]

very thematic too

[dusty river]

you're thinking of the og Knave, not Jack,
Jack is old timey version of Joe if I recall, in the way someone may say "just your average joe"

[dusty river]

huh, weird, I had heard different

[night prism]

so it's a noble man

[dusty river]

idk if I understand this liokdsflgjkn my brain kinda broken rn lmao

[night prism]

i think it's fine if it's up there then

[dusty river]

I should make another joker today I thinks

actually, maybe I could add 11-20 ranks? how hard would that be @night prism ?

[night prism]

yeah

look at how 42 works

remember to put the previous and next rank correctly

[night prism]

and include the anva_ prefix when adding those

[dusty river]

uhh, where is 42 in the code?

[night prism]

main.lua

but i'd make a new file for the new ranks

[dusty river]

we should probably add a ranks.lua if we're adding 20 new ones lol

[night prism]

since we are adding so many

[night prism]

10 new ones

for now

[dusty river]

yeah, 10 for now, I was refering to the 10 face cards that you're concepting lol

also, we should probs blacklist these ranks from standard packs somehow

[night prism]

oh, yeah

just add hidden = true

like 42

[dusty river]

"new" and "prev" should be for straight calculation, right?

if so, how would I write, just, "base game 10" as the prev for 11 ?

[night prism]

that and strength

[night prism]

just "10"

[dusty river]

okey!

[night prism]

and "anva_12" for next

[dusty river]

I have 11 through 15 done, I think

these look right?

[night prism]

while i was looking for inspiration for the new face cards

[dusty river]

lmao

[night prism]

this seems fine

[dusty river]

I'm not sure how to test the new ranks lmao

[night prism]

ctr + up arrow to change card ranks with debugplus

test them with strength too

[dusty river]

alright, they seem to work, lol

now I just gotta add 16-20, give them loc, and then sprite em up

[night prism]

not sure about this

[dusty river]

squire and soldier seem a tad to similar to me

squire's better for sure

[night prism]

squire is the servant of a knight

it's a pretty relevant title

i can change soldier to pawn or something

[dusty river]

I think, instead of soldier, add a Prince above princess

[dusty river]

this is also an option

[night prism]

i think jack kinda represents that

[dusty river]

eeeeh, not really, I'd argue that jack is closer to "Noble"

[night prism]

and we are perpetuating the patriarchy here, so jack is on top

[night prism]

then princess should be above

[dusty river]

yes, that is what I said before, tho, we talked and said that u wanted jack to be in the same position, no?

[night prism]

i could make cardinal a pope really, to make it more distinct

[night prism]

yeah this is why i'm headcanoning him as a prince

it's not a very defined role anyway

i don't want to add slave at the bottom since that does not really fit with medieval times

fuck

[static finch]

eastern europe moment

[night prism]

we have one to many

i'm killing the abbot i think

[dusty river]

ace's key is "Ace" right?

[night prism]

yeah

[night prism]

or the cardinal maybe

what do you think?

[static finch]

i'd kill the marshal

[night prism]

it's very relevant role

and the gap between that and knight is massive

[dusty river]

time for spritework! :3

[night prism]

while cardinal and bishop are closer imo

[static finch]

hm

makes sense but bishop is the more "hey i know who that is" out of the 2 imo

simply cause of chess

[night prism]

i'm removing cardinal

not bishop

if i choose one of them

[static finch]

aye

agreed then

[dusty river]

guys, how do I make discord notifications not show up inside of steam apps 😭 they're keep covering my aseprite window, lmao

[static finch]

even if i'd shoot both ideally

[static finch]

in game overlay

[night prism]

they do even if i open it without steam lol

i have it on steam but i execute it directly from the exe but it still does that

[dusty river]

also, anyone have a link to the balatro rank sprites? I wanna borrow the numbers from the corner lol

[static finch]

extract the game files?

[dusty river]

I did that at one point, but it's so hard for me to navigate lmao

[night prism]

if you have issues i can send you them in DMs

[static finch]

wdym

wait

[night prism]

to her

[static finch]

i think you replied to the wrong thing

[night prism]

yeah

[dusty river]

I did extract them, like I said, I just can't find stuff in there easily lol, I gave up searching in there a while back

[night prism]

i sent them to you

all the game sprites

i'd call it feudalism deck personally

@dusty river remember the high contrast sprites are a bit weird

they have a gradient going trough the whole card

[static finch]

huh

[night prism]

what?

[static finch]

"hierarchy deck"

[static finch]

interesting

[dusty river]

I might need help there, lol

[night prism]

can we make capitalism deck which is the same just with different names?

ceo instead of king

[static finch]

sounds pretty useless

[night prism]

but it's a social commentary

you don't want social commentary in your balatro mod?

[static finch]

no

i want bullshit and memes

[night prism]

i don't feel guilty helping here since i coded 1 joker for prism today

[night prism]

ok then

[static finch]

i mean i am kinda joking

but isn't another set of faces redundand

and useless

[night prism]

me too

i'm not making that many more cards lol

we can make them just deck skins i guess

but that's an issue for later

deck of communism were all cards are the same rank?

totally balanced i know

[static finch]

random cards that have all the same rank, but every ante you get your jokers subsidized

[dusty river]

[night prism]

so real

[dusty river]

they aren't working with straights yet lol

not sure why

[night prism]

what?

this is weird

even alpha and omega do

[static finch]

huh

[night prism]

unintentionally

[night prism]

are you sure the sprites match the cards?