Resurgence (WIP) - Primordial Arts

[night prism]

it's later than i thought

maybe i'm leaving niko for tomorrow

[dusty river]

sdfaasesafd I gotta not sleep in the middle of the day anymore
why my sleep schedule have to be garbage

I would ask what I missed, but I think what I missed was half the day lmao

[night prism]

I and milo ad a convo about the design philosophy of the primordials

to be frank i'm not very satisfied by most of them

but i don't intend to tear apart the stuff we made so far myself

so i was questioning if our design approach was right

but to make just one criticism, i feel most primordials don't really rely on synergies, but are just one joker engines

which can be fine, but to many of them are imo

even most exotics are useless alone, it all depends on what u pair them with

but i'm not going to make any more criticisms

[dusty river]

I guess I'll run thru the chat here and see what y'all had to say, lmao

I guess

[night prism]

it was mostly me communicating badly

but the juice of the thing is that we have been to careless with our designs imo

and we should take a step back and look at the bigger picture

of what we want the mod to be as a whole

don't take this as a criticism of you work because it is not

[dusty river]

I am a little confused lol, but I guess kind of get it, I guess? a little?
mostly confused, tho, lol

[night prism]

as i said, i'm a bad communicator

but i just, reading many of the primordials i'm not really exited to play them

i just feel like, ok i guess

[dusty river]

mhh, I guess, though I'm not really sure how I'd fix that

I can see what you mean now tho

[night prism]

i think that when reading the effect of a primordial my mind should be thinking about all the possible synergies and combos you can make with it

or how that would shape how you play

[dusty river]

mhh, yeah, I can see it. Maybe we should be using base game jokers in mind for these, try and build something that'd synergize with the base game jokers more, I guess

[night prism]

both base game and modded really

[dusty river]

I kinda wanted, originally, for the primers to kind of warp how a typical run with that build would go, but I guess that kinda caused this issue, lol

[night prism]

the issue imo is that rn they don't really do that

like, just giving you a lot of retriggers doesn't really warp the run

[dusty river]

fair

I think sappho was made out of milo keep saying how bad wild cards were lmao

[night prism]

i think they should have a deeper impact, influencing the parts of the game most other jokers don't

[dusty river]

mhhh, I see

I think another issue is

I really wanted primer primordials to be something seldom sold, I wanted them to be exciting and wanted for most builds that would be searching for them

and I think it's hard to have that and the other thing at the same time lol

[night prism]

i don't think it is though

exotics are the perfect example imo

[dusty river]

mhh, I think I'm starting to get it a little
also, I think maybe, with this in mind, I may have been a little to scared of run warping

[night prism]

they are very well designed, unique and full of synergies, and u always look forward to them

[dusty river]

like, I wanted to not have the strength sigma to break runs that, for example, were using strength cards to make queens, and then, have it turn everything to aces

[night prism]

this are more specific issues one can look at

there are a ton of ways each effect can work

as long as we get a working base

[dusty river]

red, I'll say red is gonna be a new color for ideas in sheets, to represent the needing of reworks concept wise

maybe

I can see what you're talking about here

[night prism]

it's a bit weird that green is the color for stuff to rework

i'd assume green means done

[dusty river]

I kinda just went for visibility lol, I started with purple, then green was later lol

[night prism]

yeah, it makes no real difference

it's just convention

[dusty river]

you know what idea did this all well, I think? Yggdrasil

Yggdrasil adds more than you'd expect, tho, the numbers might be off

[night prism]

yeah

it changes your game play strategy a lot

though it almost feels apocalyptic to me

both theme and effect wise

[dusty river]

tbh, primordial and apocalyptic are both very similar, in some ways

[night prism]

yeah

i'd keep it as it is

it fist for hanged man

idea: what if hallowed grounds increased the levels from divine based on how many times you played the hand rather than always being x10?

[dusty river]

that sounds fire, yeah

[night prism]

or maybe based on the times you used the planet

[dusty river]

ooooo

[night prism]

so using planets still makes sense

even after all the divine cards

otherwise you would just stop using planets, which kinda goes against high priestess

[dusty river]

true

[night prism]

also i think we can find a better name for it than allowed grounds

though i like it this way too

[dusty river]

@night prism what do you think of this for the colors?

[night prism]

but it's a bit weird that we have stuff like andromeda related to stars, and the hand level related one has no relations to planets

[night prism]

we will never use grey lol

also, there should be an effect for coded and art done

[dusty river]

I think there was a few with grey already
which is why I thought of adding it

[dusty river]

truu

[night prism]

polydimensional tree and salmon, i forgot about those

dickfish still has the best art

[dusty river]

https://tenor.com/view/agony-gif-23084585

[night prism]

i guess we gotta update the colors then

[dusty river]

yeah lol

better to do sooner than later tho

I think we got everything, right?

[night prism]

i think so

actually more green than expected

good

[dusty river]

yeah, we've actually been pretty good when it comes to adding art

not that an artist wouldn't be appreciated, in case anyone is looking

[night prism]

is the art for toriel finished?

[dusty river]

riiight, I'd say so

[night prism]

funny, earlier today someone made a mod thread and 5 minutes later someone already offered to do the art

[dusty river]

lmaoo

[night prism]

a very good artist too

i saw them in the fanart channel

we had no one here

other than the ones we recruited

[dusty river]

I mean, there was the person who made the pride flags

[night prism]

milo called them here

[dusty river]

ohg, lmao

[night prism]

they found her in a channel randomly and asked for help

it worked though

and the art is peak

[dusty river]

lmao, hehe

also, tru

[night prism]

god, toriel is so big

[dusty river]

lmao, yeah, she needs editing

[night prism]

well, she's actually quite big in game too

compared to the other monsters

[dusty river]

tru

[night prism]

i feel the bg is a bit too dark

[dusty river]

looking at the difference between her and alphys is so funny lol

[night prism]

yeah

[dusty river]

this is also the case I think, lol

the background was supposed to be like the bricks in the underground from toriels area, but I think I went overboard trying to make it darker lol

[night prism]

colors are very context dependent

since balatro has lighter colors it makes sense for everything to be lighter

[dusty river]

mhhhh, tru

also, the ingame sprites are just, made darker lol, cuz of shaders

[night prism]

the trees on papyrus and sans are way lighter than the original

[night prism]

i think it's mostly an optical illusion

and the colors are almost the same

[dusty river]

well, there actually is a shader thing going on, if I recall, let me see if I can show you

[night prism]

well, obviously you have the CRT if it's enabled

but i don't think you have it on

from the screenshots you sent

[dusty river]

I think I do? did I disable it somehow by accident? lmao

[night prism]

i guess even when the slider is at minimum the colors are still altered a bit

i think it barely changes the colors

it think it's the bloom that gives that effect

[dusty river]

yeah, I have bloom disabled, lol

[night prism]

what?

[dusty river]

how on earth-

[night prism]

this happens if i turn off pixel art smoothing

i have no idea what that has to do with smoothing

this makes no sense

it does not find the boosters.png if u disable it

ok, this is because when u change the smoothing settings the game reloads the sprites

but i have no idea why that file crashes and why only if u reload it ingame and not when you boot the game

reloading the sprites with debugplus does not cause the issue

this makes no sense X2

well, this is a problem for future me

[static finch]

@magic sand

you know, eldritch god n allat

[night prism]

so edgy

[static finch]

you know, in theory you should only get the choice after surviving countless waves of deadly horrors and other bullshit and practically preventing the apocalypse

but i just got a psychic power that opens the node by itself so :3

[night prism]

Gaussian apocalyptic joker confirmed

[static finch]

real

he should be the jen walter of our mod

[static finch]

@magic sand you're jacked now

[night prism]

faustian edition

there's some pretty good distortion going on

it's very apparent on the 10 of diamonds

[static finch]

it's too hot

[dusty river]

how do u think the "Fate Itself" effect works? @night prism

[night prism]

Since it says x50 to all chances and then it says that all chances are set to a random number I assume those two modify the two different numbers of the chance, right?

Like the 1 and the 2 of 1 in 2

[dusty river]

nope, the x50 is like oops all sixes and the random 0 to 100 swaps the previous, so for example, it might be x27 at one point, or x89 at another

[night prism]

Then the x50 does nothing

If it gets replaced anyway

[dusty river]

hmm?

[night prism]

Oh I think I get what u mean

[dusty river]

I just realized I never set when the probabilities get swapped lmao

[night prism]

The wording is a bit unclear

Though, I think I found a way of making all chances 50/50

[static finch]

huh

well if you set the second number to be 2 regwrdless

wouldn't it accomplish that exactly

doesn't matter knowing what it was

[night prism]

You can't change the second number

[static finch]

you said you could influence it

or do I remember wrong

[night prism]

It's a bit of a weird method I guess, but you can just change the chances to either be guaranteed or never triggering

[night prism]

Only the first

[static finch]

well in that case just look at the second number and make the first one half of it?

[static finch]

huh

[night prism]

You can't look at the second number

[static finch]

so

what

the hell

[night prism]

Because I don't know what the variable is called

Though you can do some shenanigans

[static finch]

oh

okay that explains it

[night prism]

I don't mean i don't

But that I can't know

Depends how it's coded inside the joker

[static finch]

oh

2

that makes sense

[night prism]

But every time anything appends, you can either give x99999 chances or x0 chances

[static finch]

right

[night prism]

Essentially making everithing a 50/50

But that's a pretty inefficient method

[static finch]

i figured but

if there's no other alternative

[night prism]

Another effect could be making so that each round the chances are either guaranteed or never trigger

So you'll get some very lucky rounds and some terrible ones

But you can play around that

Since you know when they will trigger and when they won't

[static finch]

i mean

the idea was that everything is 50/50

every time

i think

not every round is 50/50

[night prism]

I know

This is an alternative I though of

Since the other one is not feasible

And this is more interesting imo, since you can play around it

[static finch]

didn't you say it is

feasible

[night prism]

Doable yes, but it's a pretty bad solution

Also it will probably cause a lot of lag

Well, not necessarily

I can figure something out to make it work

[night prism]

Though I like this version too

[static finch]

if you say so

[static finch]

it's got it's merits but i like chaos personally

[night prism]

i hope the name is not a description of what they do

@static finch your modpack is like a new world to discover

[static finch]

that's all garb's fault

wrong reply oops

[night prism]

i made some code for the fate effect, but it's a bit weird and i'd prefer not to use it, but it works

all effects are 50/50 this way

[dusty river]

i mean, the effect in sheets is different anyways now
also, sorry, im tired as hell rn and cant reply much lol

[static finch]

better sort of working than not at all

[night prism]

i know i know

[night prism]

i guess

i made it so it sets it to a random number to make it more interesting, sadly i can't make it update in real time like misprint

negative numbers always fail and positive numbers always succeed

i can pump the numbers because rn you can still get some values above that with cryptid's value altering effects

also i'm stupid because i didn't check how seed does it

[static finch]

rip

[night prism]

maybe that can give me an answer

a better implementation

[static finch]

yeah

[dusty river]

ok, went from being 10% awake to now being 60% awake, lol

btw, u may have noticed, but I changed the wording of "red" for the sheets, it now applies to both flawed effects and new ideas/reworks that you believe need feedback

I have to leave for therapy in about an hour btw

do you guys like the sprite I made for trianlge joker? hehehehe

[static finch]

triangular

[static finch]

gl :3

[dusty river]

speaking of triangle joker :3

[dusty river]

I need to come up with more jokers for the other ranks lol
we need some more 5, 7, 8, 9, 10, and Jack synergy

[static finch]

~~
~~

oh what the hell

whatevs, jorker

now

[dusty river]

uhh? is that supposed to be a nothing? lmao

funniest @ I have ever recieved, lmao

[static finch]

0 of nothings

(this is a certified D&DG moment)

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3466051591&searchtext= completely unrelated but @dusty river look at this

it's so cooool

[dusty river]

I... have no idea what I'm looking at, lmao
I have not played enough rimworld, lol

[static finch]

it's just fancy high tier stuff

but it's so fuckin well made

like, you can see the dissonance but it makes sense

it's stuff made by a giant machine god supercomputer planet complex thing after all

[dusty river]

I'm back home now

[dusty river]

@night prism what do you think of the new Hierophant joker?

I liked it being +chips, but did agree on it being a bit underpowered for a primordial, as well as a bit uninteresting, and I think this fixes it, at least the 2nd part

[night prism]

interesting

[dusty river]

I think the part on the side is also an important addition to this, and that's that, notice how it says "and" and not "to"

it's destruction can be stopped via rubbering it, but it still will give the chips

[night prism]

well, rubber does not stop it, it just makes a copy

[dusty river]

true lol

eternal would tho

[night prism]

indeed

[dusty river]

as well as the tartigrade joker I concepted yesterday

for refrence

(I have no idea if that rarity is balanced for it lol)

[dusty river]

I'm also not sure how I should word the destruction, as I think the wording here has been used in other places already to mean "destruction as a requirement"

I think maybe just, moving it's position to be after the other effect may be enough to clarify

[night prism]

andromeda

[dusty river]

OOOOOO

that's fire, awesome art

[night prism]

thank you

i really like this one too

i added the andromeda constellation too

[dusty river]

oooo, nice

[night prism]

i may steel the cryptid code to add 3 layers, so the stars are on top of the galaxy

[dusty river]

yeah, that'd be nice!
I was actually thinking it might be nice to have that for our art's

[static finch]

cosmic pizza chapter 2

[dusty river]

thoughts?

hmmmm, colors look a lil too similar, hard to tell what's going on in some places

[night prism]

also no joker text

but the art is cute

[dusty river]

Trrruuuu

I think this is a lot better :3

hmm

I might have to see this ingame actually, hmm

[night prism]

i think it having almost no border may make it look a lil weird in game

[dusty river]

hmm, true, I used to have it double thick, but that filled the entire 1px empty border
I'll add it back in then see how it looks in game

hmmm, well, here's how it looks next to jokers in-game

[night prism]

triangle joker is so goofy

though i'd make the whole frame triangular, square joker style

[dusty river]

mhhh! I forgot they did that, lmao

ohg no, that means I'mma have to redo the joker text and everything to lol, lmao

[night prism]

this is better imo

i need to tweak the movement on the stars a bit though

@dusty river get the last commit before committing

i edited the atlas so you need to add mini mice to the new one

[dusty river]

ahh okey

[dusty river]

which one of these was it? lol
they only started working again after I reset everything

[night prism]

The first one

[dusty river]

fetch?

[night prism]

Yeah

But pull works too

Doesn't matter really, as you must pull anyway

[dusty river]

okey, I got the new commit, I'll put the mouse back in now 👍

[night prism]

I recommend fetching first to make sure there are no conflicts before pulling

[dusty river]

I had to do it in a really weird way though, it wasn't wanting me to pull

it said something about "having a working tree open" or something

what do y'all think of this one?

[static finch]

that's not an isaac ref

0/10

[dusty river]

btw milo, any enhancements/ranks you feel don't have enough jokers built for them? I've been trying to make some jokers for the less used things in game

[night prism]

Seems weak

[static finch]

and i've been trying to pull myself up and do more stuff for this

[static finch]

potential? yes

but you gotta build for it

either bump down the rarity

or remove the different suit thing

[dusty river]

I originally had it say "joker slots and voucher slots" if that would be better

I thought that was too op probably tho, so I changed it, but if not, I'd love to swap it back

maybe even make it all 3

[night prism]

Honestly all 3 seems fine

Not to strong for a rare

[static finch]

if you do make it all 3

then it's fine imo

[dusty river]

ok, it's all 3 now

[static finch]

i think if you can come up with another funny 42 joker

it'd be great

cause i got no ideas

[dusty river]

"42th wall break" I assume is a refrence to the book, but I couldn't find anything about it online lol

[static finch]

no that's just a joker

based off of the 4th wall break one which makes the gag unfunny

[dusty river]

I'd definitely make a "Stoner" joker which is based on both 42s and stone cards some how

and maybe overgrown cards, hmm

[static finch]

what?

[dusty river]

lots of potential there

[static finch]

that's new

[dusty river]

you didn't see my note in the misc consumables did u 😏

[static finch]

no

i didn't look at it

[dusty river]

I made an "Enhancement" page, so we could just refrence that page instead of writing what every new enhancement does on the jokers which use them

[static finch]

btw just stumbled upon this

[dusty river]

overgrown's a new enhancement that's in there, currently only 1 joker refrences it

[static finch]

i forgot that was not for source material

:3

[dusty river]

the problem isn't that it isn't source material, it's moreso the fact that it isn't really a character or event or place or object etc
however, I think my main reasoning is that, it would be funny as fuck to have the art be jimbo doing the same expression as tails

[static finch]

eh fair enough

the ref is still sonic tho

anyway, yeah add them enhancements to the page

actually i'll do it now

[dusty river]

that's why i kept the refrence column

not every refrence is a planar

[night prism]

All cards are 42 obviously

Literally all of them

Jokers in the shop

Tarots in boosters

[static finch]

right

SO

a joker that makes everything also count as 42 makes sense

[static finch]

me stupid okay

[dusty river]

actually, incredibly basic idea, knowing as little as I know about hhgttg, but, the book assumably has characters, right? You could probably add some of those characters, some of which would probably have synergy with the 42 cards, right?

[static finch]

yeah but the problem is that

most of them don't directly interact with deep thought

even then, space sandwich is goin in

[dusty river]

"+42 Mult for each 42 card NOT in full deck"

[night prism]

We need a vogon joker that destroys the earth planet card

Stealla mortis at home

[static finch]

whoever made this

based as fuck

[night prism]

Not me

[static finch]

how did i not think of that

[minor oracle]

wee 2

[dusty river]

(I did and I love it, tho, I am quite curious of it's balance lol, as I've never seen an effect like that, my brain can't comprehend how quickly it grows)

[minor oracle]

i hope that doesnt come across the wrong way its interesting

but its pretty similar to wee

[dusty river]

I forgot about wee lmaoo 😭
hehehe, yeah, probably needs some number tweaking then, lol

[night prism]

Better in most cases

[static finch]

well

i got an idea

retrigger the 8s

instead

[night prism]

Except you somehow score no 8s

[minor oracle]

its better because 8s are better than 2s but otherwise its just wee but the scoring is also conditional

[dusty river]

I think, in the way it currently works, it'd be at the same tier as a cryptid epic

[minor oracle]

which doesnt really matter that much since its not like 8s are hard to find

well no i forgot

[night prism]

It's retroactive and it triggers for each 8

[minor oracle]

it applies to all 8s

i cant read

its probably fine

i would maybe lower it though since its probably epic tier yea

[night prism]

A four of a kind of 8s makes this 4 times as strong as wee

[dusty river]

+1 Chips sound good? or is that TOO low now?

[night prism]

Too low

Probably +4

It's very strong but reasonable that way

[static finch]

@dusty river

ay

[night prism]

Since u still need to score 8s for it to work

[static finch]

check sheet

[dusty river]

where in sheet?

[static finch]

just under poly tree

[dusty river]

OH, more 42 jokers from the looks of it!

[static finch]

yeah

well

vogon is just a reference not directly interacting with 42s

[dusty river]

I feel like vogon should probably be a rare

[night prism]

For once we can make a double rank effect

[dusty river]

the effect itself is fine, but it seems on par with rare to me I thinks

[static finch]

earth cards

[night prism]

Since 42 are just from our mod

[static finch]

how often do ou have planets

in consumables

moreover a specific one

[night prism]

We can hard code double ranks

[static finch]

FUN

[dusty river]

Oooo?

[night prism]

I think vogon is fine

[dusty river]

okey, we can leave it and see

[night prism]

Only for our mod's jokers

But no other mod has 42s

So it's fine

[dusty river]

honestly, I've learned that I think I might go overboard on balancing sometimes, so, for now, we can leave vogon as is, we can see how it goes

[night prism]

Though i still think all cards in the shop being 42s is very funny

For the legendary

[dusty river]

I agree there lol, I think, even funnier, would be if every card and voucher was, but booster packs were unaffected, so that, when you opened it, it would just be full of 42 cards lol

[night prism]

This is what i was thinking too

[dusty river]

Riff-Raff adds two 42 cards to deck each blind

[night prism]

And maybe it does this and buffs 42s rather than making all cards cout as 42s

So you can fill your deck with them easily

@static finch what do you think?

[night prism]

I hope i can make this, but it seems a bit harder to code

[static finch]

huh

i guess it could but what about jokers you already have

[dusty river]

I assume it'd make an exception there
otherwise it'd turn itself into a 42 as well lol

[static finch]

something like this?

[night prism]

"All future cards are 42s"

[static finch]

hm

[night prism]

Stealing the blahaj wording you proposed

[static finch]

?

[night prism]

I think this should work

[static finch]

wait i got a reference for that

one sec

[night prism]

Personally i'd just make it +42 mult and call it a day

[static finch]

i want it to synergize more with stuff that isn't itself

[night prism]

Where is this from lol

[static finch]

so if you get +mult every scored card is now 40% polychrome too

[static finch]

NOT A DLC FOR SURE katana zero

go play it, super ultra mega cool game

[night prism]

Well, that way it's 420% holographic

[static finch]

it's 210% holo and 40% poly

[night prism]

But i get you

[static finch]

(me fr, i glow)

[night prism]

Only 40%?

You are so bad at it

[static finch]

I know but uh

what was 42% of it anyway

well regardless

I dug up an old ass idea

american joker, uncommon, has +X0.5 mult for every dollar in debt

[night prism]

so real

we need recession joker too

[static finch]

and a Luigi mangione joker

so it shoots the capitalists

[dusty river]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

[static finch]

LITERALLY Y'ALL

infinite xmult if you connect your bank account :3

it's like crappy googol play card

[night prism]

rich joker from prism is sweating rn

[dusty river]

remember friends, there's no proof it was him!
they found him days later in a mcdonalds in another state!

[static finch]

my ass

[static finch]

HE SHALL DIE.

[night prism]

i'd like him more if it was him

[static finch]

I mean who wouldn't

[dusty river]

there was another shooter, they're using him as an excuse or something

[static finch]

the 20 something billionaires cowering in fear?

[static finch]

well who cares

bi icon and based as fuck

[dusty river]

tbf, he is an awesome person, he's still fighting

[static finch]

imagine sending like 30+ swat for a random unarmed guy

[night prism]

but to the police, he's obviously innocent

he's guilty as long as it makes him look cool

[static finch]

bruh

[dusty river]

I should make a "Swine" joker

[night prism]

there's a character from disco elysium called "the Pigs" with a police obsession

actually DE is probably the game that uses the word pig more than any other

same with the f slur, just because of one character

both those character are coming to the sheet soon obviously

[static finch]

hah

f word joker but it's AVGN

[night prism]

the fun thing is that that word is always censored, except when one character says it

and it's the best character of all

[static finch]

what do you know

it could always be f*cker

[night prism]

sure

[static finch]

well anyway

I must make some more random funny jokers

the psychiatrist would deserve a spot

imo

[night prism]

de is the only game where i like being insulted, people calling the mc a pig is so based

[static finch]

what about

ror2

where final bosses just insult you in ye olde ways

except voiding cause it's quirky like that

[night prism]

but police officers deserve it more

[static finch]

or ultrakill where you get called robot slurs by anyone with a mouth

[night prism]

it just hits different there

[static finch]

CREATURE OF STEEL

[static finch]

getting called a joke simp is still the worst thing ever

[night prism]

this is not a slur, it sounds sick as hell

[static finch]

it technically is

demeaning

in minos' context

at least I think so

Gabriel calls you scrap

[night prism]

robots should reclaim it

[static finch]

and Sisyphus calls you either a child of man or an APPETIZER

[night prism]

this is more insulting i guess

[static finch]

https://tenor.com/view/sisyphus-sisyphus-prime-ultrakill-ultra-kill-gif-16556960190786742203

[static finch]

imagine if the third prime soul just called V1 a Polaroid

that'd be super out of character

[night prism]

lol

well, it fits

[static finch]

well I'm still waiting for hakita to make us have those anime moments like MGR or Undertale

where you just

don't die

because angy/ plot armor

( ripper mode is stupid cool and will be a joker)

[night prism]

best moments in games

[dusty river]

hell no, you understand nothing, he is the only one who ISN'T calling you slurs

[night prism]

the video game logic that being angry makes you immortal

[static finch]

I meaaaan

he still tries to kill v1

[static finch]

true power

[night prism]

but he's not racist about it

[static finch]

kinda is unintentionally imo

but eh

he is the good guy in this case

[dusty river]

minos recognizes that you are alive, that you are a breathing living creature, gabe views you as an object, and sisyphus views you as a weapon

[static finch]

and I just brutalized him no problem

[static finch]

APPETIZER

well it matters not what they think

it matters what hell thinks

and hell is just a giant troll

[night prism]

it matters what I think

really

[static finch]

no

[dusty river]

he's also the only person who refers to you kindly
don't forget that "CREATURE OF STEEL" was part of the sentance "creature of steel, I thank you for my freedom"

[static finch]

ooookay and Gabe technically thanks you for the duel in 6-4?

eh this is all semantics

unimportant semantics may I add

I still gotta learn to use that stupid rocket launcher

[dusty river]

to be fair, gabe is growing as a person as the game goes on

[static finch]

and commits mass murder as character development

based

[dusty river]

also, I think you mean 6-2 lmao

[static finch]

wait oops

I was thinking of supah Mario brothers

(go play wonder it's a BLAST)

[night prism]

aren't we all

at all times

[static finch]

no

there must be space for pizza, pasta mandolino e mamma mia

[night prism]

well, you clearly are

[static finch]

Super Milo Brothers

[dusty river]

(btw, hows that vampire oc u was making?)

[night prism]

i'll try to code the 42 legendary before going to sleep

[static finch]

it was that tgirl joke and it is merely smoke and a concept rn

[night prism]

oc? are they turning to the dark side?

[static finch]

YOU ALREADY DID

[night prism]

i did not

[static finch]

thank youu

[static finch]

prism

darkside

badum tss

[night prism]

fuck

[static finch]

HAHA

[night prism]

i hate you

[static finch]

WELL it was my idea so fair enough

but

still

how could you forget

[dusty river]

your oc was karl marx

[static finch]

real

[night prism]

real

[static finch]

capitalism be damned

[static finch]

I ingest that daily

[night prism]

real

[dusty river]

I should get down a concept for the visuals of the various greek figures

[static finch]

paint them like one of them french girls

[night prism]

this should be easy as we already stole DOE's code

[static finch]

heh

hehehe

theft :3

we need an Odysseus reference somewhere

(I stand by him being the magician)

@dusty river Vaporeon joker for your water cards. now.

[night prism]

he's a trickster really

[static finch]

also a 69 synergy

[static finch]

TRICKSTER?

[night prism]

real

[static finch]

https://tenor.com/view/persona-5-persona-5-royal-p5r-akira-kurusu-ren-amamiya-gif-3581572124533658637

[dusty river]

we should have a 69 rank that works the same as 42

[static finch]

oh yeah

6s and 9s aren't very used

[dusty river]

having the "Always Scores as long as in a played hand containing a 6 or 9"

[static finch]

sixth sense does not exist

[foggy cedar]

Ofc they chose vaporeon for the image

[dusty river]

this mod will probably change that lol, 6s have an insane build

[dusty river]

lmao yeah

[static finch]

the second coming of Christ shouldn't feature him, obv

[static finch]

don't worry I got ideas for 2s

Mario and Luigi joker

[dusty river]

95 in OtherJonkers should be where I've been putting my rank based jokers that I felt needed more love, if you wanna check em out or add to them

[static finch]

I can't rn

as phone

[dusty river]

ahh

[static finch]

MINOS PRIME?

https://tenor.com/view/ultra-kill-minos-prime-minos-free-at-gif-26917154

[dusty river]

here's the ones I have for 6s now, lol
there's also gaster, don't forget

[static finch]

WHERE.

WHERE IS IT.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2628606775 @dusty river WHERE IS HE.

[dusty river]

if I made an azazel I'd probs have them be based around faustian edition I thinks, maybe

or tarot cards perhaps? gold cards?

maybe a "madness" esuque effect?

lots to think on

[static finch]

ikr but the joke is that I used the fem mod because I am super cis

and you missed it

[dusty river]

🤨 🏳️‍⚧️ ❓

[static finch]

no

I am super cis

i just said that

after all how would the classic "boys make the best girls" ever be correct otherwise

I wanna be the very best

like the world has never seen

[minor oracle]

check again

[static finch]

what'd you do

[minor oracle]

dont worry about that

[static finch]

cmon I wanna know

[minor oracle]

🕵️‍♀️

[static finch]

tell meeeee

[static finch]

eww a pig

[dusty river]

no, it's transfem tf2 spy

[night prism]

eww a fr*nch

[static finch]

NO NO NOT THAT SUPER HORNI ANIMATOR GUY

the videos are well made but still cringe as FUCK

mf's thirsting worse than a random eastern European tourist in our glorious Italian summers

[static finch]

I remind you I main Etienne and spy

but I still hate french people

[minor oracle]

i have never played tf2 because i simply dont play video games

[night prism]

spin

[static finch]

SPEEN

I need to make a reference to https://youtu.be/IuRwqB9NwVQ

sassy Mr bones?

[night prism]

lol

[static finch]

sassy skeleton

hey wait that reminds me of someone

[night prism]

mr bones printer?

[static finch]

real

[night prism]

totally balanced

[static finch]

as all things should be

imagine

negative Mr bones every blind

literal immortality

unless it turns off joker effects and you only have one hand I guess

://patch exists for a reason

just saw this and I am SO tempted to get Chara as my pfp (literally same cut), also, Chara could be very silly in our mod as I like her

do we even have Chara

[dusty river]

poor chara lol

we should have a chara, I've been trying to think of an effect for her

OOOO, SHE SHOULD BE A PARRALEL TO GASTER

BUT WITH 9s

not exactly of course, I just mean

like,

a 9 related effect I guess

[static finch]

Chara X gaster 69

that exists I'm sure

I'm just afraid to search

[static finch]

something something 9s your screen

[dusty river]

why do you keep going back to p3d0ph1l1a :<

[static finch]

OH

[static finch]

it was a throwaway joke

[static finch]

what about

[dusty river]

I know, I was /j lol

[static finch]

literally reusable Mr bones but

it destroys all your 9s

and if you don't have any just doesn't save you

[static finch]

...see maybe I need the tone indicators too :3

[dusty river]

btw, this was what inspired the 9 thing :3

from toby himself

[static finch]

okay but what about adding one more

so it's round and good

[dusty river]

(the thing was in refrence to video gam, 999 would be a cap, if somehow 1000 was reached, it would underflow and become 1 again)

same reason why civilizations Ghandi Nukes became a thing, lol

[static finch]

AY NO

THAT'S A MYTH

[dusty river]

huh?

[static finch]

Gandhi would do that because the code for the og civ was coded in a particular way but not because of that

[dusty river]

oh?

[static finch]

high science peaceful civs tried to scare the player to avoid getting invaded

so Gandhi

being focused on science

would research nukes very fast

and would threaten the player to not get invaded or he'd retaliate

there is no underflow

it became real only in civ 4

[dusty river]

oh, interesting

[static finch]

the myth was spread by a random IGN "journalist"

source? HE MADE IT THE FUCK UP

anyway, thanks for listening to my random autistic facts

[dusty river]

lol, hehe

[static finch]

anyway I should sleep

[dusty river]

gn milo!

[static finch]

gotta actually try to make something tomorrow

[dusty river]

hopefully I can do more tommorow lol

[static finch]

and maybe get that Chara pfp

[dusty river]

lmao, we said the same thing lol

[static finch]

no

you said you wanna make more

I said I wanna find the motivation to DO SOMETHING

[dusty river]

oh, sorry, lol

well, luck to you

[static finch]

like I'll need it

gimme fate

50/50 is better than whatever odds I have

also I think "itself" is redundant

[dusty river]

"Fate Itself" adds more power to it tho, imo

like, oh that's a joker named "death", meh
"Death Itself" HOLY FU-

[static finch]

I just think fate hits harder

[static finch]

primal death from tiny rogues:

[dusty river]

opposite for me, honestly

[static finch]

doom itself or doom 1995

decide

[dusty river]

lmao

[static finch]

or doom 2016

or eternal

eternal doom sounds sick

imo

[dusty river]

I like the "Itself" personally

[static finch]

I think if you put it on like 2 things it already becomes redundant

all the other things are cool as fuck and then you just have 2 things with the same naming scheme

yggdrasill the forgotten sounds RAD, it's just that but better

[dusty river]

I mean, terraria has like 29 different "True" versions of items

[static finch]

okay but true makes sense

reaffirming an abstract concept doesn't make sense

[night prism]

it sounds silly to me tbh

[static finch]

real

silly move

also not everything needs an adjective

just put doom and fate

or put a cooler adjective

beside them

[night prism]

real, this is not mtg

[static finch]

I dunno, like, absolute fate and eternal doom

[night prism]

in balatro joker can just have regular names

[static finch]

noik

https://tenor.com/view/oneshot-niko-gif-26211704

[dusty river]

💀 Fate and Doom on their own don't feel like the names of Primordials to me tho

like, imagine if cryptid just called "Speculo", "Mirror"

[night prism]

in mtg you can just have "knight", you need something like "proud knight" ore some shit

[static finch]

speculo is literally JUST mirror in a different language

but it sounds cool because latin

what does itself add

[dusty river]

I know

[night prism]

i'd argue fate is a way bigger concept than just a mirror

[static finch]

something something CUE THE 700TH BLUE EYES WHITE DRAGON

[dusty river]

"fate itself" just means "fate" but sounds better
"speculo" just means "mirror" but sounds better

[static finch]

one sounds goofy

[night prism]

does it though?

[static finch]

as NOBODY calls fate "fate itself"

speculo Is just the word

[dusty river]

that was kind of the point

[static finch]

this is not comparable

[static finch]

WELL IT DOESN'T SOUND COOL

it sounds goofy and unserious

if you reuse the naming scheme it gets even worse

you get the card art and the name

just "doom" sounds menacing

[dusty river]

well, tbh, your suggestions don't sound any better lol

[static finch]

"doom itself" is like

[dusty river]

to me at least

[static finch]

alright it's doom

[static finch]

they don't sound goofy

my suggestion ideally is just fate and doom

[dusty river]

to me they do

[static finch]

as you are referencing an absolute concept

[night prism]

also, why is "order" fine then?

[dusty river]

this is all opinions, cool is subjective

[night prism]

or just periodic elements

[night prism]

indeed

[static finch]

solarium is a shining star in a void of wasted potential

it's so much more poetic

[night prism]

but i think most people would find the itself think unserious, an this is something to consider

we want people to play the mod after all

[static finch]

let's call it "fucking francium itself"

[dusty river]

it's a refrence to a video game

asgbdfh

[night prism]

lol

[static finch]

the video game is a tragic tale and I was being overly sarcastic

[dusty river]

why on earth are your adjectives better

like, this is subjective

[static finch]

the majority commands

[dusty river]

name me an objective reason here

[static finch]

if everyone other than you finds it weird maybe it's not a good idea

[night prism]

what did they propose?

[dusty river]

or, like, any reason

[static finch]

linguistics

it just sounds weird to read

isn't consistent

[night prism]

you want people to like the mod

[static finch]

and doesn't reinforce the concept well imo

[static finch]

shoot the itself

the end

[night prism]

if most people subjectively don't like it, the it's objectively bad

[dusty river]

I find the names good tho asfjk

[static finch]

AND?

I found my og Niko idea good

then changed my mind

it's almost like

ideas are made to die someday

[dusty river]

all of them?

[static finch]

did ya read what gulag wrote yesterday

be prepared to kill your children

or what was it

[dusty river]

I don't get why

[night prism]

kill your babies

[static finch]

if the universe dies so will they

[dusty river]

none of this makes sense to me asnhfjkbsghk

I don't get why, any of this

[static finch]

trust someone with arguably LESS autism (slightly)

jokes aside

[night prism]

because 90% of all ideas ever had by anyone suck

[static finch]

I don't think they sound good

[night prism]

it's built into our brain to make shitty things

[dusty river]

I have made how many ideas on this sheet now?

[static finch]

what of the ideas about sucking instead

[night prism]

a lot? and most of them are good imo

[static finch]

are you perchance called Wheatley

[dusty river]

do 90% of those need to be scrapped tho?

[night prism]

no

[static finch]

no but most got tweaked

[night prism]

you already srapped a lot

[static finch]

the first iteration always kinda sucks

[dusty river]

I HAVE tweaked the names

a fuck ton

[night prism]

you just didn't put in the sheet most ideas you had

[static finch]

and yet the itselfs are inconsistent and you vehemently defend them

[dusty river]

the primed jokers had the most tweaking done to names out of any of them

[dusty river]

I DID

[night prism]

no you did not

[dusty river]

I SIMPILY REWORK THEM

[static finch]

that's what I figured

[night prism]

and i know it for a fact

[dusty river]

AS I HAVE STATED

[night prism]

there's physically no way you put every idea about a joker you ever had in the sheet

[dusty river]

it's all vibes based, that's it

[static finch]

well uh

[dusty river]

not every, of course

[static finch]

go ask in modding chat if they think itself sounds good

[night prism]

yeah, that's the point i'm making

[static finch]

I would just to prove you wrong :3

[night prism]

vibes are important

[dusty river]

yeah, and my vibes are different from your vibes here

they used to be just Fate and Doom and I found them bland

I HAVE renamed them, like, 20 times each

[night prism]

then find vibes that fit as many people as possible?

[static finch]

I mean don't generalize your mod for the masses BUT those are just names

[night prism]

again, we are not making the mod for just us 3

[static finch]

the balance is in the middle

compromise

[dusty river]

did you know that fox was offered rights to star wars before it started and they said no one would ever like it and that the idea was stupid?

[static finch]

over unimportant things

[static finch]

did you know that this is from hindsight and nobody blamed them back then

[dusty river]

you are but 2 people, in a sea of more

[night prism]

and?

[static finch]

did you know that coke could have bought Pepsi

did you know that Nintendo made love hotels

[dusty river]

and are acting like this is objective

[static finch]

and illegal gambling cards

did you know that nothing is perfect

[night prism]

slow down a sec

[static finch]

don't blame us if people find the name weird

[dusty river]

you also keep saying that this is "the first draft" when it was not

[static finch]

this gives me "SOLELY AT MY DISCRETION" vibes

[dusty river]

I renamed these thing 20 times

[dusty river]

YOU WANT THE FUCKING MOD?

[night prism]

i said what i think most people would think, maybe i'm wrong, but this is not about just my taste

[dusty river]

YOU WANT THE SHEET? I CAN TRANSFER IT?

[static finch]

ugh

[dusty river]

you are exploding the importance of a name right now

2 jokers

[static finch]

here we go blowing things outta proportion again over some dumbass reason

[night prism]

i feel you both are doing the same here, right?

[static finch]

...who's the one threatening things with actual stakes over them?

[night prism]

you are arguing about the same thing

[dusty river]

what are the names then? do I call them hatsune miku and gorrila grod, cuz those are characters people recognize and would enjoy seeing?

[static finch]

I am just saying if I am not the one that will lament this name I won't be the only one

[static finch]

who is the second

[dusty river]

we... can... change... it... later

a name, is not, that, important

[static finch]

eh I guess

[static finch]

sounds like it is to you

punctuated by lack of punctuation

[dusty river]

IT ISN'T

[static finch]

ironic

[dusty river]

I'm done with this

I cna't fucking handle this shit

[static finch]

and this is why I should always go back to sleep when I say it

fuck me

ruining things as usual

[dusty river]

I'm sorry, ok?

I'm sorry over choseing a dumb name?

is that what you want me to say?

[static finch]

NO

you asked me for a reason

[dusty river]

I don't like folding, because if I fold once, I fold every time

[static finch]

gulag agreed

[static finch]

I folded over deep thought

and so?

I shall forsake my autonomy forever now

blood pact signed

[dusty river]

it's a dumb name of a dumb joker, of a dumb mod, made by a dumb person

cringe is everywhere

it is in our fucking blood

we live by it, or we die by it

[night prism]

why are you being so dramatic rn

[static finch]

...what does this have to do with "cringe"

a volatile

[night prism]

relax

[static finch]

useless phenomena

at the whims of the internet

irrelevant

anyways

[dusty river]

because I have been deeply depressed, suicidal, and made to feel unloved my entire life, why you ask?

2 names

[static finch]

I JUST said putting itself after those names is redundant and goofy

[dusty river]

as an opinion

[static finch]

and this has to bleed everywhere?

I will never get you and I know that

but what I will ask you is

is this necessary?

[night prism]

i think you are missing the fact that i give less than a shit about those names

i just said my opinion

[static finch]

he just gave an opinion

as I did

[dusty river]

IT DOES YEAH, CUZ WHEN SCARS ARE MADE THIS DEEP, THE BLOOD KEEPS FLOWING AND I CAN'T MAKE IT STOP

[night prism]

you can ignore it if u want

[dusty river]

I'm not angry right now, I'm scared

when I'm like this

I want you to know that

[static finch]

you know you'd be dead by internal heamorhage

[static finch]

...why would you?

genuine question

what could we possibly do

if we were the kinds of people to give you up like this we would have already done that

[dusty river]

I love this mod, and I love what we're doing with it, I just feel ganged up on here sometimes and get scared that I'm not gonna be important in it anymore, my ideas whittled down more and more, till the mod becomes something that isn't mine, in any way shape or form

I know it's just a small thing that causes it each time, but

it's a fear of how far it could go I guess

[night prism]

i think all the effort i put into this is proof that i like what u did and that i have the best interest of this mod in mind

your fear is a reasonable one, but i have no interest in taking this from you

[static finch]

i don't even do stuff half the time

even if I did usurp you what would I gain

can't even type a damn entry in the sheet

as useless as they come

[dusty river]

I just... I don't know lol, I feel like we were all taking this name thing way to far and felt like it was less of a discussion and more an attempt to override and just rip the idea out of my hands so you could name it yourself, if you get what I mean

[static finch]

uh

you asked for a reason

I gave it

[dusty river]

I don't mind discussion, I just, felt kinda cornered here I guess

[static finch]

gulag chipped in

drama ensued

[dusty river]

asked for what?

did I ask something and forget here

[static finch]

this is what I saw it as anyway

[static finch]

reasons as for why

I would want to change the name

[night prism]

i think you only error stands in thinking that listening to advice somehow makes your stuff less yours

[dusty river]

reading back, I think I honestly might have a problem expressing myself, cuz

[static finch]

agreed but I do too

I'm just verbose enough to cover it up