Resurgence (WIP) - Primordial Arts

[static finch]

that's my point

[dusty river]

and for a legendary, one of those is terrible, another is mid, and the other is just, infinite wins

[static finch]

https://fallout.wiki/wiki/Sneering_Imperialist

behold.

[static finch]

i'd bump the numbers, make it scale based off of how many times it saved you instead of infninite and make it rare

like, it can send you in debt, but it doesn't instadie when it saves you

[dusty river]

in case ur confused on the infinite wins part, the reason is, this is like cryptid on ultra-drugs, and if you somehow got, like, ee3022 $, you might as well be immortal

[night prism]

i'd show you the stuff from DE but it would be spoiler

[static finch]

i guess

but it being a legendary still sucks

for people who actually want a legendary to not die

[night prism]

indeed

[static finch]

maybe just make it spawn when you're pretty rich?

[night prism]

this being legendary is not negotiable

[dusty river]

that'd actually make this joker so much better, lol

[night prism]

he must be

maybe it has a condition for not self destructing?

[static finch]

such as?

[night prism]

dunno

[dusty river]

maybe, gets debuffed for X antes/blinds instead of destruction?

[night prism]

the important thing imo is that it should not be able to save you forever

[static finch]

hm

makes sense

[night prism]

interesting

and the debuff time increases every time

so you can't use it forever

[dusty river]

then, you could even remove the doubling part maybe, turn it down to, like, $20, then that's legendary material

[night prism]

but also you cant just farm like for money

[dusty river]

the thing is, is a save that only happens every X blinds/antes is NOT a garunteed forever run

[night prism]

if i add a countdown i think i can remove the money part altogether

[night prism]

indeed

well, saving you every onther time is useless though

if you are not strong enough to win now, it's unlikely you will be next round

[dusty river]

it gives you a chance to do stuff in the shop to be better

[static finch]

IT'S THE FINAL COUNTDOOOWN

[static finch]

yeah

[dusty river]

I mean, mr bones itself is like this, all saving jokers are

[night prism]

yes but

[dusty river]

it either makes you go forever or has this issue

[night prism]

mr bones is a single use uncommon

it's meant to save you when you are at your limit

but you will be in that state only a few times per run

[dusty river]

"saving" is just, inherently like this, I think

[night prism]

yes, what i don't like of that idea is that it saves when he wants

not when you need it

[dusty river]

I mean, technically, you need it EVERYTIME he does it, lol

[night prism]

but also when it does not

if you need two rounds to find a joker, this will not help you

if it debuffs itself the second time

[dusty river]

what if, instead

when it saves you, it gives you money as well?

[night prism]

no

[static finch]

just keep it as is, remove the self-destruct, and make it have a limit of 2 times per ante, then it auto-debuffs until you defeat a boss without it?

[dusty river]

that way, you can find it in the shop

[night prism]

this makes losing better than winning

[static finch]

and it sucks

[night prism]

indeed

[dusty river]

I think the effect in genral is just, bound to be like this in some way, though

[night prism]

this is tricky indeed

[dusty river]

it's either "forever run", "bad quality legendary", or whatever this is

[night prism]

but i think it can be done

this but with an hard cap could work

but imma leave it for now and see if an idea comes later

[dusty river]

this is just "bad quality legendary" again, lol
the self destruction ends up making it a slightly better mr bones 90% of the time, lol
but yeah, I think we might be spending to much time on this rn lol, I should probs do some more stuffs today

maybe I can finish making v1 at some point, lol

[night prism]

well, this will save you at least 3 times in most cases

which is way better than mr bones

[dusty river]

I mean, yeah, that'd be a cool rare joker, but

[night prism]

i could make it rare, but i like it being legendary because of the relevance of the character

[dusty river]

tbh, I don't think this matters that much, at least, not imo

I mean, I think I made susie an uncommon and alphys a legendary lol

[night prism]

i see what u mean, i guess it's different when you know the character

[dusty river]

fair, I guess

[night prism]

he's the fan favorite by far and genuinely one of the best written character i've ever seen, but i could make it rare yeah

[dusty river]

all I'm saying, is if I used this logic, 90% of the undertale characters would be legendaries and neon white would as well

but I think the effects I gave them fit their character

and I balanced their rarity accordingly

[night prism]

i think this is about more than character relevance/importance

he just feels legendary to me

[dusty river]

fair

[night prism]

but again, let's take a pause

imma do some racist characters now

[dusty river]

but, also, like, Frisk being a common is insane under this

[dusty river]

true, I'mma do some balatro run

[night prism]

well, frisk is pretty blank as a character

totally silent and very indefinite

[dusty river]

I mean, yeah, but frisk is also a time traveling child who saved an entire race of people

[night prism]

someone like toriel should be legendary imo, it's just vibes i guess

[dusty river]

yeah, I get that
I guess all I'm saying here, is that there's options

[night prism]

well, any rpg with a custom made protagonist has a super relevant character with no personality at all

[dusty river]

I mean, I wanted susie to be rare really bad, but I ended up saying "I care more about how much this effect fits the character than the rarity does"

[night prism]

for sure

[dusty river]

so I made her uncommon

[night prism]

i think it's also that, if he's not legendary then i'm not sure what DE character should be

[dusty river]

lmao, fair, I guess

(I mean, I don't know shit about DE, but the pale is an apocolyptic)

[night prism]

the pale is not even a character

but i'm not spoiling

[dusty river]

okey

[night prism]

it's a big plot twist

[dusty river]

I have the same thing here with Neon White now that I think about it, no one in that game is legendary I think

[night prism]

well, not really plot twist, more worlbuilding twist

[night prism]

tbf it does not need to have a legendary

nor does DE

[static finch]

yeah but apocalyptic is better

than legendary

is it now

[night prism]

obviously?

[static finch]

needing a legendary and higher should be the criteria

[night prism]

criteria for what?

[static finch]

.

[night prism]

and?

[static finch]

some things does not deserve a legendary

or higher

anyway, i should come up with something for the salt

[night prism]

i meant that if no character feels legendary then just don't make any

[night prism]

salt?

[dusty river]

Oooo, I know this one! (kinda)

[static finch]

https://noita.wiki.gg/wiki/Sampo

[dusty river]

The salt is an item you can find in noita, I assume it has some more lore significance than I am currently aware of

[static finch]

essentially the gods' mcguffin

[night prism]

not one of the racist ones yet

but a god annoying one

[static finch]

great, i never do that "close enough to blind goal" stuff

so useless

[night prism]

fitting for the character

[dusty river]

I find it a funny effect, I kinda like it lol
(tho, at least for me, "close enough to req score" ends up closer to "random chance which is more common the less well you're doing" which honestly, can be nice)

[static finch]

att this point just make it a chance

i don't like these effects

[night prism]

the character just yaps about "ze price stabilité" all the time

[static finch]

death~1

[static finch]

boykisserfrown

[night prism]

everyone hates that guy

[static finch]

"i'd like your head on a pike, would be marginally more interesting"

[night prism]

oh yea forgot about that, but if you have french disco elysium will be painful

luckily it seams like the strongest the french accent the more of a piece of shit the character is

[static finch]

that's the only racism i approve of

[night prism]

just opened reddit and this is the first thing i find lol @static finch

[static finch]

i'm the furry there (still cis thoooo)

also the commie

[night prism]

but jokes aside, the overlap between the new vegas and dico elysim fandom is huge

the games have a similar vibe

[static finch]

CHOICES MATTER

GOOD STORY

i suppose

it's not shocking

[night prism]

well, DE isn't really a choices matter game

[static finch]

NV is THE choices matter game

period

except the nukes in the divide

[night prism]

the main story goes the same way most of the time

[static finch]

nuking everyone is always the best choice

[night prism]

the game have a similar decadent vibe

with 50s inspired technology

both very political

[static finch]

something something MY independent new vegas is NOT decadent and i WILL get you rocket launcher'd if you speak against me

[night prism]

accidentally found this one too lol

gay unites all

[static finch]

boykisserhappy~1

also the courier can be anti-capitalist so

LIARS

[night prism]

i'd say DE and Cyberpunk are a bit more direct with it

but you are right

[static finch]

parodn me

you literally have an achievement to murder mr house with a golf club

cause he's a rich fuck

[night prism]

DE does not care lol

[static finch]

bruv

[night prism]

the writing is so funny in that game

if anything i know about you is right, there's no way you don't fall in love with that game

[static finch]

i shall procrastinate

on it

foreveeer :3

[night prism]

your loss, genuinely

[static finch]

LOSS?

[night prism]

university degree in truth is so funny

but also this is exactly how every communist feels

word for word lol

[static finch]

i shall shoot billionaiers

and millionaires

i already beat one at blackjack

how hard could it be

[night prism]

me too please

[static finch]

no

all for me :3

[night prism]

:(

[static finch]

:3

[static finch]

@night prism

i have a genius idea

dark matter joker

(apocalyptic obviously)

that works with the stars suit

[night prism]

it annihilates all other jokers

[static finch]

no no

you misunderstood which dark matter

this guy

thing

[night prism]

edgy eye of cthulhu

[static finch]

maybe but it was there for way longer than our favorite flying fuck

[dusty river]

lord of the moon, looking rather moonular today

lmao, idea for an effect for the apocalyptic joker I had. Thoughts? Also, any ideas for a downside?

[static finch]

...i said this should be aboout 3OAKs

what does he have to do with clubs

[dusty river]

..... the moon

clubs are representitive, of the moon

[static finch]

i guess? keep your ideas for the primer moon

[static finch]

no, they're for my boy poe

[dusty river]

what does he have to do with 3oak?

[static finch]

did you ever fight him?

you're disappointing me

[dusty river]

poe uses hearts?

[dusty river]

I have?

[static finch]

HE'S GOT THE SKIN

[static finch]

the 3 stupid little annoying eyes

[static finch]

FOR CLUBS

[dusty river]

I guess? Tho I feel the moon itself is far more relevant to him, no?

[static finch]

yeah but clubs don't scream moon to me

also that has no easily connected downside

[dusty river]

it... it's litteraly made by the Moon card

[static finch]

i know but the suit itself is mentioned not the card

[dusty river]

what?

[night prism]

tarots effect have close to no relation to their name

[static finch]

here ya go

[night prism]

justice makes stuff glass?

[dusty river]

but they could? I mean?

[night prism]

judjement makes jokers?

[static finch]

why does death dupe stuff then?

[dusty river]

how many mods add shit that deals with death?

[night prism]

they don't though

[static finch]

they do half the time

how does a wild suit correlate with lovers

[dusty river]

the death tarot doesn't mean death, so why the fuck does so many fucking jokers add death card related jokers

[static finch]

they're 2, it's not the DID arcana or some shit

[night prism]

were death copied cards?

[dusty river]

shouldn't they work with hanged man instead?

[night prism]

none

[static finch]

aaanyway

[night prism]

but death is a different thing

[static finch]

clubs bear no relation to the moon other than the shaky arcana placement

[night prism]

one thing is creating the moon

[static finch]

gemini would've made sense to copy stuff

but it's not arcana

[dusty river]

and by this logic, what the hell are we supposed to do about the primer primordials?

[night prism]

another is clubs

[static finch]

refer to both iconography and game effects

if you use the clubs but not the associated arcana it makes no sense as a motivation

[night prism]

i see no issue

[static finch]

primers use both

[night prism]

they directly reference the tarot

[dusty river]

should we go up to thunk himself with pitchforks cuz the names of the tarot cards and suits don't match?

I don't understand what the issue is lmao

[night prism]

what?

thunk made so that ther's no relation

[static finch]

THE MOON LORD THERE. IT DOES NOT REFERENCE THE MOON ARCANA. JUST THE SUIT.

[night prism]

so we also will

[dusty river]

IT DOES?

[static finch]

TECHNICALLY NO.

it just plays off of clubs

not the moon itself

[static finch]

i get it but

[dusty river]

WHAT DOES THIS SAY?

[static finch]

the effect is club-centric not moon-centric

it works perfectly without the moon and is already pretty broken

[dusty river]

you know what

[static finch]

how do you make a downside for this

[dusty river]

I'm just, like

in this logic, every suit related joker in our mod needs new effects

[night prism]

no?

[dusty river]

cuz I made them in refrence to the god damned sin suit jokers

[static finch]

...

[dusty river]

spades has nothing to do with wrath, it's just a spade

[night prism]

i think you are not understanding what they mean

[dusty river]

make them related to farmers I guess

[static finch]

you know what, screw this, i was just asking what could possibly be a downside

[night prism]

or maybe i don't

[static finch]

and we went on a whole philosophical discourse over nothin

this is inconclusive and unhelpful

[dusty river]

I WAS THE ONE ASKING

[static finch]

now, as i was saying

[dusty river]

I ASKED THAT

[static finch]

which downside could you tack on to that which would be related

to the effect

i don't see a good effect related downside

[night prism]

spades are weapons, it fits pretty well with wrath tbf

[dusty river]

debuffs diamonds in someway? do to the nature of the moon lord being darkness?

[night prism]

but let's ignore this

[dusty river]

they aren't?

spades are shovels? lmao

[night prism]

they are based on pike points

they are called pikes in the original language

[static finch]

FRENCH MOMENT

[static finch]

why diamonds

i'd say make it so playing other suits either reduces ^mult from the moon lord or destroys clubs

except spades

cause those are dark

[night prism]

in italian too, picche

[static finch]

i know

but we stole it from the french

[dusty river]

diamonds are a light suit, and are represented by the star card, they are the suit most related to light

[night prism]

well, the french made the cards

why not make this about dark suits?

rather than clubs

[static finch]

okay but add hearts too

[dusty river]

DARK AND LIGHT SUITS AREN'T EVEN BASE GAME TERMINOLOGY

[static finch]

makes sense to me

[static finch]

maybe but

red vs black

checkers ass theming

[dusty river]

BY YOUR OWN LOGIC, HEARTS ARE JUST FUCKING ORGANS, AND HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH LIGHT

[static finch]

hearts, the literal symbol of hp which the dear dear moon lord wants to take away from you

[dusty river]

IF ANYTHING HEARTS SHOULD BUFF WITH THE MOONLORD CAUSE HE HAS A MASSIVE FUCKING BEATING HEART IN THE MIDDLE OF HIS CHEST, NO?

[night prism]

are you being deliberately obtuse?

[static finch]

probably

i mean i'd argue it's not just deliberately but

this time it is :3

[night prism]

but it's aneyh vampirica terminology

[static finch]

is this another case of unintentionally venting anger in the wrong place?

[dusty river]

I'm not, I'm talking about simple points and I'm being told they're dumb because... fucking, I don't fucking know why?

[static finch]

alright then tell me what would you do

[dusty river]

I don't know why y'all are so against using clubs for this? they are representitive of the moon? they are in base game and out of it? and we've used this before?

I'm not even saying this needs to be the effect or anything

I'm just confused as hell right now

[night prism]

i think dark suits make more sense no?

[static finch]

the problem here is both overlap with primers and the fact clubs aren't technically representative of the moon

normally

[dusty river]

what... problem

where is the problem, I cannot see it

[static finch]

for once i am not the one not seeing stuff

[dusty river]

we have, so, so many jokers made with logic like this

[static finch]

imho clubs don't make sense for moonlord

the end

[dusty river]

do we just, fucking, remove noelle?

[static finch]

then if i get beaten 2 to 1 i won't have much to say

[night prism]

wasn't milo the blind one? /j

[static finch]

i mean i don't mind :3

[dusty river]

cuz I based her effect off of hearts?

I DON'T UNDERSTAND

WHAT THE PROBLEM IS

[static finch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1095951270407327767/1363594687935545456/attachment-2-1-2.gif?=

CLUBS DON'T DIRECTLY REPRESENT THE MOON AND THE EFFECT WORKS FROM THEM

[night prism]

what has noelle to do with this?

[static finch]

GOD HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY THIS

[dusty river]

If this joker, is a problem, how on earth do I know if ANY joker I make has a problem

[static finch]

it's just a critique to an incomplete effect, being a prototype too

[night prism]

you seem pretty good at it, most jokers you made are good

[static finch]

not saying everything you ever made is wrong

[dusty river]

BECAUSE I'VE MADE 99,000 FUCKING JOKERS BASED OFF OF MAKING THE SUITS INTO THEY'RE REFRENCES? WITH SPADES BEING WRATH, HEARTS BEING LUST, ETC ETC

AND YOU'RE TELLING ME, "STOP IT, DON'T DO THAT" BECAUSE?????

[night prism]

the good thing of being a team is that we can confront

[static finch]

noelle's that down bad?

[dusty river]

NO MORE REFRENCES?

NO MORE FUN?

i DON'T UNDERSTAND

[static finch]

please @night prism you say it

[dusty river]

ANYTHING, THAT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW

[night prism]

indeed you don't

[static finch]

i can't keep on repeating this

[static finch]

ya don't say

[night prism]

references are fine

[dusty river]

CLUBS DON'T DIRECTLY REPRESENT THE MOON AND THE EFFECT WORKS FROM THEM

that's it? right? that's what you said?
it doesn't make sense to me

[static finch]

that font is cool asf ngl

[dusty river]

I have no fucking clue what's happening

[static finch]

i think

you should take a break

it's not that deep

[dusty river]

I don't understand why we're making a big deal of this

[static finch]

you*

[dusty river]

I WASN'T

[night prism]

but if i made a joker that makes aces give 5 mult every 1984 cards scored because in 1984 iron maiden released a 5 minutes long song called aces high, you'd agree it's a forced reference

[static finch]

...

who started screaminng

?

[static finch]

FINALLY

[dusty river]

...

[static finch]

AT LEAST YOU GET ME

[dusty river]

that is the largest stretch in fucking existance

[night prism]

indeed

[dusty river]

and it's also unbalanced as shit

[night prism]

but if direct examples dont work

[dusty river]

that's the main problem there

[night prism]

imma exagerate

[dusty river]

and clubs, are representitive of the moon

we have USED THIS LOGIC BEFORE

that's what I'VE been trying to get at

[night prism]

no, we did not

[dusty river]

I HAVE?

[static finch]

well i didn't see it

[night prism]

where?

[static finch]

show us

[dusty river]

I'm so fucking tired, so fuckign tired
why is this a problem, why...

[static finch]

just

show us where you used this thought process

please

[dusty river]

I'm going offline for a bit... I think

[night prism]

why can't we have a peaceful disagreement for once?

[static finch]

too hard i guess

[dusty river]

toriel cares for the weak, common aren't weak, they're just common, canned

destroyed, remove it completely

effect;'s dumb, ruigbht'/"?

[night prism]

like, everything was fine when you criticised my idea earlier

[dusty river]

I DONT UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PROBLEM IS

you know

I'm not mature enouthgjk for this

[static finch]

...legendary?

[dusty river]

I can't fucking deal with this

[static finch]

this isn't our point

[night prism]

i think, as always, the issue is that people can't fucking listen to what each other is saying

and milo is being annoying

[static finch]

one another* :3

[static finch]

oh come on

i can't repeat the same thing 10 times and still get nothing

[dusty river]

fuck it, I'm gonna go in and add comments to every fucking joker

[static finch]

definition of insanity

[static finch]

why

[night prism]

totally not spite

[static finch]

the greatest fuel source in the universe

[dusty river]

to show you how much we use refrences like these

[dusty river]

YOU TOLD ME TO FUCKING SHOW YOU?

THAT'S WHAT IM GONNA DO. OR DO YOU THINK IT'S BAD FOR ME TO DO THAT NOW?

[night prism]

please, for once listen to what we are saying

instead of injecting meaning into my words

that i didn't put there

[dusty river]

what, am I not understanding, then?

[static finch]

putting words into your mouth is my job

not just words :3

[dusty river]

please, explain to me

[static finch]

what do you think

[dusty river]

WHAT DO YOU FUCKING THINK I THINK?

I'm asking for a reason

[static finch]

you're overexaggerating literally everything

for no reason

[dusty river]

you are right

I can't, fucking deal with this

[night prism]

i simply said, with calm and clear words, that i think the reference to clubs is a bit of a stretch, not that references are not fine, nor that everything should be directly related

plese, undertand that we can disagre and not make this an issue

[dusty river]

it isn't though, we've made so many more stretches

[static finch]

yeah

[dusty river]

like with toriel, for example

[static finch]

...i don't see theeem

well that's YOU not US

or am i wrong

[night prism]

i disagree

and this is fine

i can just say that

[static finch]

(unrelated, but uhhh, +15 mult? on a legendary? that thing sucks ngl)

[night prism]

without making a tragedy out of this

like an adult

[static finch]

usual gulag W

[dusty river]

I have never felt like an adult

I have dealt with immese trauma my entire life

which has prevented that from occuring

[night prism]

i get you, trust me

but this does not make any difference in the grand scheme of things

just let is slide off

[static finch]

or learn when to stop pushing

(as i had to)

[dusty river]

I watched my dad punch himself in the face 5 times in a row yesterday because I told him to give someone a chance and recognize that they are a human that makes mistakes

[static finch]

...what?

[night prism]

you should practice what you preach

[static finch]

nah i'm baptized

i have the divine right to be a little hypocritical bastard

[dusty river]

guys, I've wanted to chill this off and stop talking about this like 30 times now, and you just kept fucking talking and acting like I was factually wrong

[night prism]

you are not factually

wrong

that's the point

[static finch]

you just didn't understand

not like we're going to burn you at the stake for it

[night prism]

people can have different opinions

[static finch]

we just wanted to be clear

[night prism]

no need to argue

[static finch]

well technically it did start like an argument

[night prism]

you understand that the only reason we are arguing here is because we care about this mod, a mod YOU made

[dusty river]

I don't understand your side of things here, really, I don't see how on earth this is too much of a stretch

[night prism]

we are not against you in any capacity

[dusty river]

Did I tho? You 2 made a fuck ton of code

[static finch]

no uh

[night prism]

fine

[static finch]

i did practically nothing

[dusty river]

I made, like, 4 jokers, and some art

[night prism]

you did

i'm here because of u

[static finch]

i wouldn't have made a single line without gulag

[night prism]

milo is too

[static finch]

cause i suck :3

[night prism]

u made all the concepts i coded

[static finch]

i saw autism and i can't argue with autism

[night prism]

and they work because u designed them

[static finch]

with feedback

if you don't listen to it you end up LIKE-

[night prism]

you are the mind behind this mod, and it's not arguable

[static finch]

i don't exist :3

[night prism]

you indeed do not

[static finch]

i only made the VS autism

pretty much

[dusty river]

I need to log off for a bit I think
I'm going back to sleep

[night prism]

i think the fact that people care about something u made so much to argue about it is great

we wouldn't if we didn't care

[static finch]

reckless abandon and too much pride both ruin a mod

either by making it disjointed or RIGID.

[dusty river]

I guess I just don't really see what you meant, like, at all

the moon is linked to clubs because the base game made it so, and, if that's too much of a stretch, then, what is and isn't? what CAN a suit represent?

[night prism]

with all this thing i ended up loosing the art i was making :(

[static finch]

NOOOOOO

[night prism]

it seams i didn't save it

[static finch]

lockeF

[static finch]

all i'm saying is that the other things have a lore reason inside the game that makes sense outside of it

the moon being linked to clubs is kinda flimsy if you base it off another game's thing that doesn't share the same connection

the moon isn't normally linked to clubs anywhere else

[dusty river]

3oak seems like too much of a stretch to me

[night prism]

i agree too

[dusty river]

it's a refrence to a very minor fact of the character

[night prism]

i feel the moon lord effect should be totally different to what we have been saying so far

[static finch]

i depsise the eyes

maybe it's just memorable to me

[static finch]

yeah

makes sense

[night prism]

i feel the lunar events are a big part of the character

something about that?

[static finch]

curse you solar pillar

well we pull an eternity mode and just make them part of the thing?

[night prism]

one of the most fun parts of the game imo

[dusty river]

I really am going offline now, I desprately need to, I almost left the server 3 times during this convo do to the stress

[static finch]

where's the stress

i don't get it

[dusty river]

no you don't, and I'm afraid I'll never meet someone who does

trauma does things to people :<

[static finch]

being lucky has it's consequences

[static finch]

what joker is it

(super ultra sick btw)

[night prism]

doom itself, is used gaussian's art as a reference

[static finch]

if I had to name it

I'd call it solar eclipse

[night prism]

This can't be coded

[static finch]

fate itself

was already in line for a rework

[dusty river]

howso?
I knew it might be impossible, but I thought it might not, as things such as "Oops all Sixes" exist, so I knew that probability could in some way be detected and manipulated

[static finch]

maybe but it all depends on how people code their own probability i presume

or maybe it's the "except primordials" part

[night prism]

because you can't know when a chance succeeds or fails

also, ops all 6 doubles all chances, so you don't need to know what the odds are

but to set all the odds to 1/2 you must know what the original odds where, which is impossible

[dusty river]

couldn't you just, override any probabilities that occure where oops would effect it? or is that not feasible?

[night prism]

not possible

i can't know when odds are calculated

[dusty river]

mhh, damn

that really sucks lol, that was the main idea lol

[static finch]

well fate always screws you over

just like the concept of fate

[night prism]

i liked the idea

[static finch]

which screwed you over

poetic

[dusty river]

how does "oops" style effects work then? (just curious here)

[night prism]

it doubles a global value used for all chances

the "1" in "1 in 2"

but you cant change the second number, nor know it

[dusty river]

ahh, damn, ok
good to know

[static finch]

this looks so good wtf

[night prism]

i think i'm giving it a beard though

not furry enough

[static finch]

hah

[night prism]

it has furry in the name after all

[night prism]

all peak

[static finch]

playing with the comprendium and this shit is broken (shocker ik)

[static finch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238608927931895919/1363957655571402803/attachment-2.gif

furry you said

[night prism]

karl, our italian friends oc and cat

though choice

[static finch]

you know who i picked

also the italian sucks ass ngl :3

[night prism]

don't be so harsh on us

[static finch]

flush moment

[static finch]

i suck ass too dw :3

thank you marx

"facilissimo"

[night prism]

furrier

[night prism]

way better imo

but you are the furry expert here @static finch

[static finch]

looks like if krampus and a dwarf had a child

10/10

well that wasn't too bad

also @night prism look

[night prism]

karl is carrying you here

[static finch]

i'd say facile did

but it's karl that gave it to me

[night prism]

so real

[night prism]

as i said

[static finch]

wow i just noticed this sucks ultra ass

i must complain about this

[night prism]

loss though

[static finch]

something something FUCK NOT CIV7

[night prism]

i helped garb word this

in the modding channel

[static finch]

wow congrats

i hate it

meanwhile, redefined sleeve

[static finch]

he's glorious

mfw redefined deck

oh god. T.Cain

[night prism]

Big Furry Monster in game

[static finch]

was it supposed to have a video

or smth

[night prism]

wdym?

[static finch]

sounds like a caption

[night prism]

no, i just informed you

[static finch]

oh

i'm stupid sorry :3

my destiny

[night prism]

imagine getting both half from rift raft

[static finch]

that'd be funny

[night prism]

god

this is just one page

[night prism]

how does this work?

[static finch]

you ever played tainted cain?

[night prism]

i don't think i did

[static finch]

well you SHOULD SUFFER WITH ME.

[night prism]

what does the joker do?

[static finch]

from what i can see editions are just counted as a number not rarity, unlike actual t.cain

[static finch]

it's a spectral

[night prism]

that creates a joker

[static finch]

just destroy 5 cards, count editions on said cards, give joker

[night prism]

as the card sayis

[static finch]

the point of the deck is that it's your only source of cards

well, jokers

[night prism]

btw

[static finch]

42nd joker shall be for 42s

i have decided

and it must be a 4th wall break

42nd wall break

[night prism]

tbf 10 of these are just pride flag

[static finch]

lolz

tbf is redundant there

welll anyway

42nd wall break: retrigger each played 42 rank 2 times

[night prism]

didn't see that lol

[static finch]

what do ya think

should be a rare if you got like, 4 42s or something

[night prism]

weak, considering how rare 42s will be

[static finch]

imagine if death existed

[night prism]

yes but still

[static finch]

hm

[night prism]

it takes a lot

[static finch]

what about 42 retriggers then :3

[night prism]

fair

[static finch]

wait what

[night prism]

totally balanced

[static finch]

as all things should be

oh. i got an idea.

[night prism]

particle accelerator build

[static finch]

OKAY LISTEN

this is serious

[night prism]

or rather crash build

[static finch]

42nd wall break unbound is 420th wall break

42 retriggers per 42

evolves if you retrigger 42s a total of 42 times

[night prism]

,

[static finch]

funny tho

[night prism]

indeed

[static finch]

i shall have my own

self-indulgent

new

deluxe

extra

all dlc included

&knuckles

tree3 ripoff

i'll go write it down

before i forgor

[night prism]

entropy made a server, cool i guess

[static finch]

i know i'm in it

[night prism]

another server to fill with autistic rambling

[static finch]

nah

i'll be there for updates

if i only ramble in the channel here

more poeple will see it

and my fame shall grow

or infamy idc

[night prism]

not sure how useful a server is for a small mod like that tbh

well, if it doesn't become big eventually

[static finch]

no idea either but let them do

[static finch]

it's well made, good, and a cryptid addon

[night prism]

which it may because it's growing decently fast

[static finch]

it sure is

[night prism]

i should do something for prism or people are gonna forget about it lol

[static finch]

i won't

the italian spirit lives forever

[night prism]

i'm not good at marketing

[static finch]

well guess who is

[night prism]

but i'm already content with a few hundreds people playing it

[static finch]

there is no need for that s

;3

[night prism]

honestly never expected all those people

[static finch]

people like quality

[night prism]

this is because i change my messages while i write them

i was gonna say hundreds of people

[static finch]

well i recheck my messages after i type them as i feel a tinge of self-hate every time i mistype something

taught me english well at least

[night prism]

all i need is for a streamer to play prism lol

i'm pretty sure that's how most mods got famous

[static finch]

ugh i forgot social media sucks

i despise streamers cause i get BORED ultra quick

[night prism]

depends on the streamer i guess

[static finch]

trust me i tried

(so hard)

(and got so far)

but in the end, still didn't stick

[night prism]

who are u, maggit? quoting nu metal lyrics

[static finch]

that's

[night prism]

my hate for that genre genuinely makes enjoying buffoonery harder for me lol

[static finch]

that a shitty linkin park ref

[night prism]

i know

[static finch]

i have no idea who any of those are

and i find buffoonery kinda boring as a mod

[night prism]

lp are nu metal

[static finch]

well made an all but eeehhhh

doesn't synergize with stuff and maggit's legendary both sucks and is ugly

:3

[night prism]

funny jokers though

[static finch]

Clueless~1

i don't get a single reference from it and i am sure i'm missing 90% of them other than goku

[night prism]

but yeah, i didn't play it much tbf

[night prism]

well, the incredibles one is pretty obvious

[static finch]

who?

[night prism]

the best disney movie

[static finch]

i mean the joker

not the film

[night prism]

bitter ex fan

[static finch]

oh that guy

eh i guess

i did get that one

and i forgot about him

[night prism]

though

[static finch]

never meet your heroes

was it?

[night prism]

a useless joker tbf

made just to annoy you

[static finch]

it's an early game carry that bites you in the ass

[night prism]

though as i said, i didn't play buffoonery that much

[static finch]

also is it just me or does it have like

no buffoons

other than maggit himself

[night prism]

but like, the base version makes sense

but the special one is just evil

[static finch]

it's thematic but isn't worth it

only one i liked is patronizing joker

cause flush

and deckbuilding

[night prism]

i love that one

[static finch]

i mean it's just mildly annoying at worst

[night prism]

yeah

if you have the right build

[static finch]

i know that's why i like it

cause i like the specific build

[night prism]

brainless flush build

just play cards at random and win

so real

[static finch]

me fr fr

i am brainless anyway

[dusty river]

good morning

what'd I miss? lmao

what did you mean by putting the color on that side?

[dusty river]

uhhhhh, I think something's wrong with Doom Itself lol

[dusty river]

@night prism current theory here is that this is because of the fact that, for some reason, the destructed card can target cards in your played hand

I think the destroyed played cards are instead turned into these "Ghost cards"

oh, only just noticed this part, lol

[dusty river]

only 3 Sigma jonkers left for concepting :3

[static finch]

ladies and jentlemen, something tells me drama ensued

[night prism]

My bad

[night prism]

Probably yeah

[dusty river]

couldn't sleep lol, the flaw with going to bed in the middle of the day and waking up at fucking 8pm lmao

@static finch I know you offered before, can you send me your balatro modlist? I tried updating a few mods and have been getting crazy amounts of crashes since :< lol

[static finch]

oh yeah

sure

i keep mantaining that feverishly so i'm not surprised yours crashes and mine doesn't

[static finch]

skill issue

if it was for me i'd sleep during the day anyway

https://www.mediafire.com/file/8jpzpcskf1wjn88/Ultimatum.rar/file @dusty river

[dusty river]

thanku!

[static finch]

np :3

[dusty river]

YOU HAVE SO MANY MODS
hehehehe, haven't even heard of half of these, this is gonna be interesting

should I just have a run, blind, you think? no looking at what any of the jokers are?

[static finch]

it'd be fun

but yk

i know those mods like the back of my hand

excluding the new TOGA's stuff update

[dusty river]

😭 crash on launch

[static finch]

and entropy's reverse spectrals

[static finch]

what the fuck

...

did you overwrite stuff

as you might guess it works for me

so i have 0 idea what the problem could be

[dusty river]

no, I actually remembered to not do that this time, which is rare for me lol

[static finch]

weirrrd

see it works perfectly for me

[dusty river]

huh, weird

[static finch]

maybe you left some stuff in there?

i'd advise you to ONLY use my stuff

i already put as much crap into it as i could fit

without it blowing up

[dusty river]

huh
seems this is the part that's crashing me (at least from the error I read)

ok, removing ex was enough

[static finch]

ultra weird

i have it and it works

what the hell

wait

did you get a new paperback beta version or something

[dusty river]

what the hell, lmao
hehehe, ok, so a lot more is different than I thought it'd be lmao

this is gonna be interesting

[static finch]

i put that one in for slightly more chaos in the beginning

[dusty river]

what the-

[static finch]

nothin else

[static finch]

what the fu-

wait.

shit.

okay so

uh

did you have maximus?

[dusty river]

I mean, probably? if it was in your modpack, I have it

[static finch]

considering it overlaps with reverie i bothered the mod author to show me how to edit out the zodiacs and extra hands altogether

as they were buggy with cryptid and i didn't like them

but i suppose

in your case your config is interfering

open maximus' config 1 sec

@dusty river ?

[dusty river]

I'm gonna check it now, lol
was messing with stuffs in-game, lmao

[dusty river]

disable horoscopes, I assume?

[static finch]

yeah

they're not exactly cross-mod friendly

even then they kinda suck imo

ya know if i wasn't literally dying of allergies here i'd vc

[night prism]

“Perfectly” they say, as the logo is trying to escape the screen

[static finch]

look that's just visuals and crappy menu code

but it doesn't impact the gameplay in any way

[dusty river]

whyyyyy

I turned that off lmao

[night prism]

Maximus really hates you

[dusty river]

it crashes on load now, wtf lol

[night prism]

Also i should tell the dev to change loading function

[static finch]

to be fair

[night prism]

You can’t actually see the name of the mod in the log

[static finch]

i can recognize this crap is held together by will, prayers and duct tape

[night prism]

Just m…

[static finch]

m-e :3

[night prism]

Do you have bunco perhaps?

[static finch]

i should bother him just because

[static finch]

oh yeah bunco absolutely destroys stuff

[night prism]

That bug is the reason i can’t play bunco

No matter what mods i have it crashes on startup

[dusty river]

I don't lol

[static finch]

i despise bunco

just for that

[night prism]

Real

[static finch]

else it'd be pretty cool as a companion mod

[night prism]

I hate the bunco code

It’s so messy

[static finch]

buncode

[night prism]

All in one file lol

[static finch]

oh god

[night prism]

Paperback is on the opposite end of the spectrum, having a file for each thing

Each minor arcana has its own file

56 files just for that lol

[static finch]

i mean

still more organized

and easy to heist code from :3

[night prism]

Super organized

The paperback devs clearly are very experienced in coding

[static finch]

i have named a colonist in @magic sand's honor

[night prism]

lol

He better do more art now then

[static finch]

funny cause he's my lead researcher

and i'm training his psychic powers

art sucks in RW

[night prism]

That’s why dwarf fortress is better

[static finch]

i mean unless you have setup

[dusty river]

I have no clue wtf is happening lol

[static finch]

if you DO have a setup you can get filthy rich

[static finch]

show us

[dusty river]

oh, I got it working, just

ur modpack here is nonsense lmao

[night prism]

A character randomly has a psychosis and makes the best masterpiece of all time

[static finch]

it is

that was the point

i want CHAOS. not any semblance of balance, whatever that is

[night prism]

Before dying of starvation

Because they are to exited to eat

[static finch]

when they get psychosis my colonists summon eldritch horrors instead

or go kill people

[night prism]

They can in df too lol

[static finch]

or smash up the most valuable thing i just got

[night prism]

They can summon devils

[static finch]

so tell me

[night prism]

And exterminate your whole colony

[static finch]

what do you think this does?

[night prism]

That’s clearly our lord and savior Jesus Christ’s tomb

[dusty river]

big funny rock

has alien in it maybe?

[static finch]

unfortunately no it's just an interdimensional gateway that summons monsters and other bullshit to KILL YOU

[night prism]

I like big rocks

Real

[static finch]

also SPHERE

[night prism]

Nothing better than having your whole colony/ fortress exterminated in 2 minutes

The shared experience of rimworld and df players

But df better because dwarfs are based

[night prism]

What was the issue?

[dusty river]

hmm? oh, I have no clue
I just restarted everything from scratch, removing the 2 mods

[static finch]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3467961297&searchtext=dwarf

[static finch]

which, maximus and EX?

[dusty river]

yup, those 2

[night prism]

But, why?

Just play the real thing

[static finch]

grudges are a part of the game

[static finch]

did you FORGET I AM BLIND?

how COULD YOU

[night prism]

You have an excuse

[static finch]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-price-punch-gif-19248454

[night prism]

But the person that made this mod doesn’t

Just make a ui scaling mod for df

[static finch]

llike it was that easy

[night prism]

Actually, that’s a great idea

[static finch]

not like i care, i like making my RW more dwarven

[night prism]

Well, modding is never easy

[static finch]

INFINITE PSYCHIC POWERRR

[static finch]

also there is one in the steam ver

already

[night prism]

But if df,s code wasn’t a mess i’d do it

[static finch]

doesn't help the idiotic amount of clutter that UI has

[night prism]

Fair

[static finch]

oh wait.

[night prism]

The game is a bit complex

Just a bit

[static finch]

trust me i got 400 mods on this damn thing

nothing beats modded rimworld

maybe caves of qud

but not much else

[night prism]

I’d argue modded df does if you are not blind

[static finch]

fuck you first of all

[night prism]

But u are, so fair

[static finch]

and second, maybe but i am not willing to accept it

does your dear dear DF have this?

[night prism]

Rimworld is objectively just a df knockoff, but a good one

Not all knockoffs are bad

[static finch]

rimworld is the deranged cousin

not a knockoff

[night prism]

Yes

[static finch]

sure

[night prism]

They both are deranged

[static finch]

suuure

[night prism]

The stuff i’ve done to elves…

[static finch]

imagine if

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3028702598&searchtext=rim+elves

[night prism]

Df is notoriously an insane game lol

[static finch]

it's literally here

[night prism]

Why are u acting like rimworld is unique in that?

[static finch]

because it has that too

just sayin

jokes aside, i think they're both different enough

to be considered sorf of the same thing with a different spin

[night prism]

You can do anything with mods tbf

[night prism]

For sure

I think it’s funny how stupidly complex df is

[static finch]

it's the point, no?

[night prism]

Yes

Like the story of the cat dying of alcohol poisoning because it walked on a stain of beer and then licked its paws

[static finch]

ah yes

that one is a classic i heard

[night prism]

All unintended behavior

[static finch]

but what about the beer for muffalo that makes them violently attack people and explode on death

[night prism]

A game with this level of complexity is peak by default for me

[night prism]

The fun thing about df is that being that complex creates so many unintended behaviors

Which make perfect logical sense

Sometimes

[static finch]

the amount of butterfly effects in RW is probably inspired by that

[night prism]

For sure

Is today going to be a productive day for you? @static finch

[static finch]

my situation atm is a mess

but i will try to make stuff this evening

[night prism]

fair

[dusty river]

I disabled like, half the mods now, lol

[static finch]

here i don't feel like sayin this again

[night prism]

A mess indeed

[static finch]

i love it when cultists show up at my doorstep and start trying to teleport one of my colonists to them

luckily a group of very kind raiders sowed up and killed them for me

[night prism]

God, this game is so fucking ugly

[static finch]

it is

but

i'm blind idc about graphics

[night prism]

Though that should make us less worried about our mod not having art yet

[dusty river]

sahjfksd
why the hell is the game crashing from not having stuff, from the mods, that I turned off
they are turned off, you don't need that stuff

[static finch]

it's funny

[night prism]

What?

[static finch]

imagine if my convoluted mess only worked on my convoluted mess of a pc