Resurgence (WIP) - Primordial Arts

[night prism]

the more you know

[static finch]

even i know what that is

ignorant fu-

[dusty river]

I mean, I always saw it more like, it being in the flow of balance, I guess
primordials and gaster are on about the same level, no? Imagine ERROR rarity as a flavorful primordial, rather than it's complete own thing
does that make sense?

I'm not even sure if what I just said made sense completely lol

[night prism]

i guess

i see them very differently personally

[static finch]

i guess but uh, it's got literally a bit of everything

[night prism]

primordials are a core game mechanic

[static finch]

it's not focused like a primordial imo

[night prism]

gaster is just a side thing

so it makes sense to seek all that balance for the primordials

SICILIA CAMPIUNI DU MUNNO!!!

[static finch]

i don't think anyone in italy could even be champion in europe

imagine the world

[night prism]

shut up

[static finch]

sorry~1

sorry i despise my country

[night prism]

real and based

classic

[static finch]

spicy

[static finch]

meat-a-ball

[static finch]

can you stop scrolling through the wiki and play the damn thing already

[night prism]

i will

this is peak

[static finch]

i know

[night prism]

The oops all plutos incident made me consider something

[static finch]

that being?

[night prism]

It would be funny if instead it was oops all gasters

[static finch]

imagine having a stupidly small chance for that

statistical impossibility type shit

[night prism]

So if u have all the planets gaster is guaranteed in the booster

[static finch]

boster

trollskull

[night prism]

Onestly i dig weird conditions like this one

[static finch]

real

it'd be funny

getting someone confused

[night prism]

They can work for artifacts too

[static finch]

askiing what the hell happened

[night prism]

Just one random seed on which all cards are gaster

[static finch]

"oops, all undertale fanon"

[night prism]

Even if u already have it

Just all gaster

And cards are all 6s if u are on erratic

[static finch]

funny

[night prism]

Also why were primordials more common that epics this whole time?

[static finch]

testing

[night prism]

I assume for testing

[static finch]

GLADOS DEMANDS IT

[night prism]

Why no portal planars yet?

[static finch]

cause uh

you make 'em

[night prism]

I played that like, a decade ago

I don't remeber shit

Wooo!! one more person reacted to the thread

We are becoming famous

[static finch]

incredible

not me at all

[night prism]

I already am obviously, but i'm happy for u

[night prism]

Indded not

There's another one

You were the fifth

We are at 6 now

[static finch]

ah

i see

[static finch]

...

modest

[night prism]

Tbf is someone with a chad with traditional muslim clothes as a pfp

I'm not sure how to take that

Is this better or worse than having Deus Vult in bio?

[static finch]

nikophonefrown

[night prism]

Me fr

[dusty river]

bacc

[night prism]

i'm trying to find some code from a mod that got discontinued

to add multiple lines to joker names

[dusty river]

oooooo

[night prism]

the mod is not public anymore though lol

[static finch]

which mod is it?

[night prism]

the autumn circus

[static finch]

huh?

[night prism]

it's funny because the creator posted a cropped version of the func

[static finch]

not public?

weird

[night prism]

and they said it was on github

[static finch]

i deem cropped porn and cropped functions to be the same

[night prism]

but now the mod got discontinued

[static finch]

despicable

[static finch]

you're in luck

for my data hoarding always saves someone

[night prism]

you are a damn bastard lol

[static finch]

what

rejoice ye fool

[night prism]

you have all mods ever made

[static finch]

no i don't have cardsauce and lobotomy

and a few others

[night prism]

the code is in another mod

[static finch]

wait wait

i got that one too

tell me the name

[night prism]

autumn something too i think

[static finch]

huzzah

[night prism]

poor autumn

i think they wouldn't mind

[static finch]

not like i care

[night prism]

considering it used to be public

[static finch]

PLAGIARISM GOOD.

let's just remember to throw them in the credits too i guess

[night prism]

for sure

we gotta credit a lot of people lol

[static finch]

I GOT FUCKING JUNKAN FROM A SYNERGY CHEST

[static finch]

hah

it'd be faster to put "every other person who made a mod"

[static finch]

thank my data hoarding

i'm waitiiiing :3

[night prism]

what?

[static finch]

.

[night prism]

thank you indeed

[static finch]

add (without your consent) cause that's funny

[night prism]

you are very useful

[static finch]

NO WAIT

that's not true

[dusty river]

"any cool artists wanna be a part of our mod, and make cool art, for our cool mod's cool jokers, cuz you're cool?" me in #🎨・fan-art if I had the confidence

[static finch]

yk what

i should

i could probably make it work

whatcha think @night prism

[night prism]

i doubt anyone will answer

we are nobody to them

we must put something on the table

[static finch]

you aren't

[static finch]

NO NO

NO

PLEASE

NO

DON'T SAY THAT

THE PTSD

FROM PAYDAY 3

IT'S TOO POWERFUL

[dusty river]

😭 then what are we supposed to do

I have 0 social skills lol

[night prism]

i have no idea what you are on about

[static finch]

payday 3

sucks ass

[night prism]

we must give them a reason to care

[static finch]

you probably heard

[night prism]

no one will do art just because we ask nice

[static finch]

they said fixing the game and other features what were despretaely needed were

"on the table"

for like

a year

[static finch]

i mean

gaussian did

[dusty river]

yeah

[night prism]

but we have some decent stuff here

we can convince them with that

[dusty river]

gauss did, hell, you did code-wise

[static finch]

lolz

[night prism]

but 1. gaussian is nice

[static finch]

and 2. you are too

and so?

[night prism]

2. he already know's us

he knows i'm a good modder

so he know he's not making art for a shit mod

[static finch]

i mean

[night prism]

since he himself said that prism is one of his favorites

[static finch]

you know we suck ass and yet you decided to save our hopes and dreams (cue reference)

[night prism]

he's also one of the first people to play prism

among the first 10

probably first 5

[static finch]

you know i got it very early too right

like

was stalking the thread fr

[night prism]

he did like an hour after i posted in on github lol

[static finch]

and so? i did tooo

not that close but close enough

[night prism]

cool

[static finch]

i just wasn't talking about it

but i got it right when you dropped it

cause bored in school

[dusty river]

I really don't know what to do lol
I was gonna send a joke in here, but balatro server didn't like it lmao

[static finch]

reddit in italian

end thyself

NOW

[static finch]

what is it

just use censorspeak

[night prism]

like it makes a difference

[static finch]

it is cursed

[night prism]

i silenced all italian subs

[static finch]

real

they all suck ass

[dusty river]

I asked if I was supposed to offer them n\/des in exchange or something lmao

[static finch]

i kept getting those unhinged dating subs

and they were so cursed

[static finch]

...i wouldn't mind :3

[night prism]

italian redditors are the worst community i ever interacted with

[static finch]

italians are the worst community*

[dusty river]

step off, minor!

[static finch]

oh come on

see you this july so you can stop using this against me

[night prism]

the grandma is talking

jokes aside

[static finch]

insert i'd be of age already if i was japanese kawaii joke

[static finch]

she is

dementia included :3

[night prism]

we must show that we are good modders to convince them

[static finch]

you*

if i even tried i'd make every single artist get a "never make art for these people list" with only me on it

[night prism]

prism is a decently well know mod on this server

so there's that

and we have over 20 fully coded jokers already

[static finch]

of questionable quality without your assistance

[night prism]

and the mod concept is pretty interesting and unique imo

a lot of people will be on board making fanart for they favorite games

so you must reference planar jokers when asking

[static finch]

oh boy

i get to do this?

[night prism]

the important thing is to not give the impression that we are some random ass entitled people with no idea of what we are doing

because that's what it looks like if we just ask like that

[dusty river]

well that's ok, I'm just a random ass self-loathing person with no idea what I'm doing

[night prism]

then i don't know, my charisma is in the negatives

[night prism]

well, as long as they don't know

[dusty river]

I had a tantrum in here, like, what, 5 days ago now?

[static finch]

real

me too

[night prism]

it should be like when jen asked for people to fix his mod

[static finch]

ah cmon you can't blame yourself for that

[night prism]

50 people offered themself

[static finch]

...nepotism sponsored?

[night prism]

even though most had no idea how to code

but they had trust in jen, so they did

[static finch]

i don't wanna be a cult leadeeeer

[dusty river]

what I mean is, people will know I'm a flawed person
I think honestly, being genuine will hopefully bring us farther than being fake

[static finch]

well WHO ISN'T?

this is the stupidest reason of all time

i'm flawed too

gulag would have no flaws if he flirted back every time i started

[night prism]

what i'm saying is, it must look like you are the one getting something out of this by making art for us, not the other way around

[static finch]

yeah makes sense

"YOU could be part of better jen's TOO"

[night prism]

i'm not capable of that

[static finch]

"JOIN TODAY"

[static finch]

bitch

[night prism]

otherwise i would have

a hole is a hole they say

[dusty river]

honestly, in reality, it's mutual

[static finch]

and i have 2 :3

[night prism]

indeed

[static finch]

well, 3 if you're brave enough

[static finch]

always

but it must look like it's more mutual

for them

[night prism]

well, 7 really

8 actually because of the other end

[static finch]

...actually usable ones in pseudo-normal circumstances i meant

[night prism]

everyone whats to be on the winning side of the deal

[static finch]

but i guess you are right

[night prism]

i'm the one on the losing one rn, and i'm aware

[static finch]

whatcha losing exactly

[night prism]

but i like to code

[night prism]

well, i'm putting work into your ideas

i could be making mines

[static finch]

you are, no?

even then you said you like it

and you could quit anytime

[night prism]

this is why i do it

[static finch]

not like you're contractually obligated

[night prism]

but most people would not do this

[static finch]

yeah i get it but

you're not losing then

not if you don't deem it so

[night prism]

yes

[static finch]

why apply general logic for a specific case

[night prism]

but that's because i'm me

other people are different

also i wouldn't be making this with random ass people

i kinda know you for all the blabbering in my channel

[static finch]

we got the vip treatment

[night prism]

indeed

[static finch]

boykisserdance~1

[night prism]

nepotism it is

[static finch]

bruh

[dusty river]

I have no skill
no talent
nothing to give
I have wandered into the abyss and felt death stare into my eyes, and watched as he laughed and abandoned me
all I have to offer is genuinity

[night prism]

ok Schopenhauer

[static finch]

i know this is serious but it reads so EDGY

[night prism]

now be more positive please

[static finch]

shadow the hedgehog 2006

[night prism]

because we all know this is not true

[static finch]

kills eggman

[dusty river]

if I have to sell, all I have to sell is my body, my heart, or my soul
it's better to find people who like me for who I am, and join me for who I am

[static finch]

well i like you for what you are

stfu downer

also satan's looking for free souls as of late

[night prism]

and you are putting all those things into this mod

[static finch]

let's hope he gets some spyware

[static finch]

...her body?

where

[night prism]

so this is worth more than you may think

[dusty river]

look, what I mean is-

[night prism]

literal energy

[static finch]

it is

[static finch]

I WAS

MAKING

THE TIMELESS JOKE

[static finch]

sotruebestie

[dusty river]

what I mean to say is, we don't need some grand exchange, we just need someone who cares

or something like that

I don't know, I can't explain what's on my mind rn

I rewrote that, like, 12 times, lol

[static finch]

thank you captain obvious

would you like some hot water too (not tea)

[dusty river]

I... am not doing well, I don't know why, lol

[static finch]

this is like

people trying to filter out their thoughts with endless distractions

divertessment, as that bastard idiot french poet guy i forgot the name of said

church simp fuck

[night prism]

you worry too much

this is simple really

just think, what would someone have to say to convince you to help them?

if you were an artist

[dusty river]

I think my brain may've heard a couple buzzwords and went insane lol, I think you're right here, hahaha

[night prism]

i'm sure you wouldn't do it for anyone

but you would for something that genuinely excites you

so this is the point

[dusty river]

yeah, I think I get what you're saying here

[night prism]

we must make people excited for the mod, so that they will be happy to help so that they can play it

[static finch]

"JEN'S BUT BETTER"

[night prism]

and as i said, we have the concepts, and we have the code

most other people only have the first half

[dusty river]

that won't work lmao, that'd just be a meme lol

[static finch]

the memes are power

as ~~the revelations arc and ~~ the internet demonstrated

[dusty river]

I think, I might try writing something, tho, I'm not sure where we'd post it after
I'll try getting something down in notepad++ and maybe dm u it to see if it's quality's any good, maybe

hahjskfdhksaj, I don't think I have the talent for this, lmao, this probably will need to be a group effort

[static finch]

my superb writing skills have, perhaps, been requested?

[night prism]

be useful

i believe in you

[static finch]

I JUST WAS

TODAY

I HIT MY QUOTA

i might explode if i am any more useful today

[dusty river]

lmao

I mean, it's a start, right?

[static finch]

yeah

well

i'd say that the stuff we should add is

that ideas are constantly getting added and rebalanced

and that we're accepting suggestions maybe?

[dusty river]

hold on, let me just

_
We're looking for artists for our mod, Aneyh Vampirica! with more than 20 jokers already coded, and more than 100 concepted, we're now looking for artists for our project so we can make a first release!
(stuff stuff stuff)
(mentions planar jokers somewhere)

Check out our google sheets to see what jokers are in-game and coded and which have art!
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oeJKNmFgGgDwEP5BOCy_G6as3-2P6MKWjDY-6ECe_nA/edit?gid=0#gid=0

and, if you want to see want to see this in-game, check out our github here!
https://github.com/Mil0Meg4/Aneyh-Vampirica
_

ok, now we can work on this together, easier

[static finch]

yay :3

[dusty river]

mhhh maybe we should include the art we already have in game for a bit of a lead?

[dusty river]

@night prism what do you think so far?

[static finch]

...your stuff would get torn to shreds

also doesn't it invalidate everything being a placeholder

[dusty river]

mhh, fair, I guess, lol

[static finch]

I dunno if you call competent artists

[dusty river]

I do think SOME art we have isn't too bad tho, imo
but okey 👍

[night prism]

we have some decent shaders at least

mostly because i copied them

[static finch]

i mean

didn't say it's all horrible

[dusty river]

by the way, I have been talking about our mod in other servers, hehehehe

[night prism]

lol sly

[static finch]

his ass is too goofy

[static finch]

advertisement in the wrong place

[dusty river]

I mean, sure, it's placeholders, but it is some good placeholders, hehehehe
8 💖 worthy

[night prism]

i find the difference in quality between the flags and tree so funny

[static finch]

I'd take out 1/4th as usually those are either out of laziness, pity or just sheep mentality

[static finch]

the tree is from sword and shield

[dusty river]

lmaoo

[night prism]

though gaster is genuinely great

[static finch]

it is

[dusty river]

I also completely forgot that I was making an alphys sprite lol

[static finch]

🤓

mf looks like one of jen's OCs

[dusty river]

ITS WHAT SHE LOOKS LIKE WHAT TF DO U MEAN 😭

[static finch]

I KNOW

:3

https://cdn.discordapp.com/stickers/1351266814382051518.png

[dusty river]

you know, this is actually a good point, maybe I'm thinking too hard on... all of this, lol
I have been kinda out of the other channels here

[static finch]

you shouldn't be

and instead annoy the shit outta everyone and butt in conversations you don't belong in so they remember you

LIKE ME :3

[dusty river]

posted gaster into the fan art channel :3

[static finch]

based

[night prism]

ignore one of the flames being me

[night prism]

go react to it

give it attention

[static finch]

I did you idiot

[night prism]

good boy

[static finch]

that doesn't work on me

sowwy

[night prism]

dang it

i tried

[static finch]

to accomplish what?

[night prism]

gotta fix the size though

[dusty river]

mhh, sweet

[static finch]

thank me moreeeee :3

( I did nothing)

[night prism]

perfect

[static finch]

beeg

so anyway, buff Charon from hades where

[night prism]

so much better

[static finch]

absolute glory

[night prism]

subtitles are in game

to add them just add anv_subtitle in the loc

it works the same way as name and text

[static finch]

easy and convenient

nice

[night prism]

modding balatro is truly improving my coding practices

making everything so modular is fun and saves a lot of time

[static finch]

glad you like it

[night prism]

this makes stuff so much easier for u

anyway, how's the message going @dusty river?

[dusty river]

hmm? oh, I've been doing some marketing lmao
been adding undertale/deltarune characters based off peoples favs

[night prism]

this is a good time to post i think, the server is more active at this hour and the fanart channel seams more active than usual too

true marketing genius here

[night prism]

i've seen that

and yes, we do need a muffet joker

[static finch]

PASTRIES

[dusty river]

the ones with the red marks are the new ones 👍

hehehehe

[static finch]

k but where'd the dog himself

[dusty river]

hmm?

oh, toby?!
oh toby is def coming in, hehehe

[static finch]

the annoying dog

should be annoying

[dusty river]

yeah, that's toby

[night prism]

and the best gay couple in gaming?

the guards

[dusty river]

OOooo

yeah
what are they're names tho? like what are they called in game?

[static finch]

i dunnoooo, Charles and Henry stickmin?

[dusty river]

just, the Royal Gaurds, right?

[night prism]

i think they are just right royal guard and left royal guard

so yeah

[static finch]

well chat I'll go to sleep

and I will never forgive gulag for ignoring Charles and Henry

[night prism]

god those two

peak

[static finch]

and bromance

or doomed yaoi

depends

[dusty river]

charles crashing the helecopter

[static finch]

THIS IS THE GREATEST PLAAAAAA-

[dusty river]

hows the balance on these, btw?

[static finch]

oh my oh my, a newcomer joins the fungeon

wait a sec nevermind

ignore my schizo ramblings

[static finch]

i mean valiant hero

[misty ore]

I think it's something that just has to be played around, like how you could be wanting to play straights/flushes but you draw cards that make a straight flush/4oak

[static finch]

yeah but

the "enhancement " is a detriment half the time

[night prism]

maybe a bit of an overstatement

but yeah

[static finch]

I just end up hating those

as they ruined my flush builds way too many times

and 90% of my builds are flush builds

[night prism]

real

[static finch]

I like flush

I practice suit racism daily

[night prism]

then you'll love disco elysium

there's a whole main quest for that

[static finch]

I GET IT RACISM IS A GAME MECHANIC

[night prism]

well, not really main, but it has as much content as the main quest

[night prism]

the best one

[static finch]

bruh

[night prism]

you are the one not playing it

your loss

being boring is a game mechanic too btw

so is being sorry

[static finch]

oh boy

commie racially correct don't give a fuck boi coming right up

I hate it when my autocorrect censors my cuss words

[night prism]

indeed

[misty ore]

I'm not familiar with the mod. Are you playing hands with 4 lovers?

[static finch]

which mod

this?

the mod here ain't even halfway done

hell it's not even a quarter

[night prism]

why do the chips scale faster?

they already have a very high starting value

and this makes the wording more convoluted

[static finch]

wuh

oh wait

I completely forgot to change that one

[night prism]

it's way to complex imo

[static finch]

I wanted to equalize that and it just slipped my mind

[static finch]

can we have ONE complex thing every now and then

[night prism]

i'm not sure what it does

[dusty river]

so, both me and milo play with a couple mods, me myself have a total of 3 modded suits, for a total of 7
if milo has everything I have +bunco, that'd already be 9

this mod, so far, adds 1

[night prism]

didn't consider than alpha and omega work for spectrums

[static finch]

if you play a pair one being a dark suit and the other being a light suit it destroys one of them and gains either mult or chips if it's dark or light, subsequent activations give X chips and Xmult instead

added to the joker itself

[night prism]

ok

this should be reworded

[static finch]

I think I worded it clearly

[static finch]

how so?

[night prism]

first of all "gain" is a very ambiguous word

[static finch]

okay okay that is my bad

[night prism]

it should say "this joker gains"

[static finch]

yes okay but that's wording

also it was one of the first ones I wrote so it's a mess

[night prism]

i'm talking about wording

[static finch]

rework sounds like gameplay rework not rewriting the description

[dusty river]

you thought he said "reworked" again, didn't you

[static finch]

to me

[static finch]

wait did I read it wrong

[night prism]

I. SAID. REWORD

[dusty river]

this is the 2nd time you've did this exact thing, lmao

[static finch]

fuck meeee

[static finch]

I'm just blind ok 3:

[static finch]

I love how you're angry at me Mr dyslexia

[night prism]

sure

[static finch]

YAY :3

[dusty river]

I know, it's just funny lol, sorry, lmao

[night prism]

this is the third time

[static finch]

okay lemme just UNDO MY MEDICAL CONDITION AND BIRTH DEFECT so I can please you

whatcha think?

[night prism]

If a hand contains a pair consisting of a dark and light suit, destroy one of the 2 randomly and this joker gains
+50 mult if it is a dark suit or +500 chips if it is a light suit. Gain doubles every time

[static finch]

no uh

see the problem is that

it adds Xchips and Xmult

it doesn't double the gain

this is why I wanted to reword it

[night prism]

oh

then don't make it do that

[static finch]

why

[night prism]

it's far to complex that way

please, this is not yu gi oh

[static finch]

it's literally just mult chips xmult and Xchips

[static finch]

I like ygo

[night prism]

changing the gain does not add any depth to the gameplay

[static finch]

does it

[night prism]

just make it start at xmult

[night prism]

how exactly?

[static finch]

if you use one of them fancy augments you can alter both numbers

it works alone in a build up until ante 7 or something

if you play pairs

[night prism]

this is not worth it

[static finch]

it's unique

did you see a joker give both of those things

[night prism]

balatro is the prime example of how depth is best achieved trough simplicity

[night prism]

then make it give both all the time

[static finch]

how virtuous

[night prism]

not one the first time and the one later

[static finch]

"give both" oh sure :3

[static finch]

huh I guess

but that'd need a rank up

[night prism]

how does making the effect different later make it more fun to play?

[static finch]

and it could also solo a run

[night prism]

nerf the numbers then

[dusty river]

also, this joker is, way too strong, lol
+50 mult is insane, even for a legendary

[night prism]

easy as that

[night prism]

that too

[static finch]

eh fair enough but the conditions are specific

I'll fix it tomorrow I gotta sleep for now

if you got a suggestion or 2 leave it in a comment pwease

[night prism]

the most complex joker in balatro is probably obelisk

everything is so simple

and this makes the game great

you can't expect me to play with 5 jokers with 3 different effects each

even cryptid stops at a single effect for joker most of the time

hell, even jen's

actually i can't think of any mod with this many complex jokers, other than that one from revo's

i like complex effects, don't get me wrong, mtg is my favorite card game, but we must be mindful

because baltro is not designed for this

sorry for saying this, but game design is fucking hard

why do the biggest balatro mods add less than a joker a weak? definitely not because they can't code it

sorry for the rant

but this stuff is important imo

i want the mod to be fun

[dusty river]

modded I prefer, like, 2 effects max, more if they are simple enough, such as cryptid Supercell
however, jokers with more than 1 effect can only exist because they are spaced by simpler jokers

[night prism]

for sure

[dusty river]

(I think the reason why supercell can work, is that they all share the exact same trigger)

[night prism]

primordial are rare, so them being complex is fine, you will have at most one in most cases

my main point here is that complexity only makes sense if it makes the game more fun

and i do not believe that joker would be fun to play rn

[dusty river]

of course, I agree with you here

[night prism]

game design is a game of sacrifices too

[dusty river]

my complex jokers, even the primordial ones, exist with the intent to make the player do interesting things and make new builds that they may not have intended, at least, for the most part

[night prism]

god only knows how many ideas i scrapped from prism, even though i liked them, because they were not fun to play

[night prism]

this is a common issue with creatives, they get to attached to their ideas

but statistically, most ideas you have are not gonna be great

which means you should scrap most of them

you @dusty river actually did a great job in this regard

when you found an effect that didn't work well you were able to just crap it and make a new one

i'm way more reluctant to do so

[dusty river]

what I end up doing is what I'll call "Concept of Thesus" where I rework the idea till it's unrecognizable from it's origin

[night prism]

yeah

i think if u ask any game dev, you will never find one that says the final game looked like they imagined it at the start

balatro was supposed to be multiplayer lol

at one point it had a currency just for rerolling

but we probably can all agree that it was good that those ideas were abandoned

[dusty river]

I never knew about that, lol

but yeah, if multiplayer was in thought for the entire process, we would've ended up with something very different

[night prism]

there's a very good interview with thunk where he discusses all this stuff, but i forgot where it was

very inspiring interview for aspiring game devs

and we kinda are, being mod devs

[dusty river]

I know that I've had ideas in the past that were impossible to code, from what you've told me, and I was wondering if this would be one of these?

[night prism]

yeah

not doable sadly

[dusty river]

ahh, sad

idea was, in case it was not properly worded, was that, for example, aces would give x1.5 mult in hand if you had baron, for example, and would trigger stuff like walkie talkie too

[night prism]

hey, i know this guy

[dusty river]

it was meant to synergize with Desmos and Math Test particularly, as, any joker which triggered when different ranks, like walkie talkie, would get retriggered by the ace for each rank

[night prism]

what's the reasoning behind desmos' effect?

why 2 5 and 10?

[dusty river]

they have a lot of divisibilty, I guess? The old effect I liked the idea of tbh, but wasn't sure how to word it/rework it correctly

[night prism]

2 and 5 are literally prime 😭

[dusty river]

not divisibility, lmao, wrong wording, uh

I meant, like

a lot of stuff are divisible BY them, and they're easy to multiply with in your head and stuff, I guess

[night prism]

tbf all numbers have the same amount of stuff divisible by them

but i get what u mean

since they are all divisors of 10 and we use a decimal system

they are very relevant

it's hard to make a math related joker in a math based game

all jokers are math jokers

[dusty river]

how's this for a change to floating point?

[night prism]

interesting

are aces considered numbered here?

[dusty river]

tbh, it is less usable, however, that might be a good thing honestly, as it'd prioritize it's use in two pair and full house builds

[dusty river]

nope!

[night prism]

because mods can't seam to agree on that

[night prism]

good

i hate when mods do

[dusty river]

I'm the kind of person that'd say "Aces and numbered cards" or "Non-face cards"

[night prism]

they are not numbered, they use a letter as a symbol

[night prism]

indeed

numbered card is a card with a number on it for me

like the name implies

[dusty river]

"non-face cards" also adds an anti-synergy, which might be interesting

[night prism]

i think i have an idea for the app joker arts

making all of them look like a screenshot of the app icon

basic but effective

[dusty river]

mmmh, true

[dusty river]

I like it, tho

I also think it'd be cool to do that, but have the background be based off the app's ui

or something like that

[night prism]

but how? the app's ui is not on the desktop

maybe for the joker border

[dusty river]

I think I meant "or" not "and" lol

[night prism]

ok, gotcha

[night prism]

but i think this can work in addition too

[dusty river]

I think it'd be fun if the jokers had this in the corner of their border lol

[night prism]

yes lol

actually the joker text should be in the font of the app logo

just opened my old godot project to look at the ui lol

[dusty river]

lol

[night prism]

i'll do godot since the effect is pretty simple to code too

[dusty river]

sweet 👍

hmm, I should finish the alphys sprite lmao

[dusty river]

@night prism hey, quick question, how do I add a "floating" sprite? legendary style?
finally finished the art for the back of alphys, and I wanted to see it in-game

[night prism]

soul_pos and the coordinates of the sprite

like normal pos

[dusty river]

thank you

[dusty river]

that is an awesome sprite, hehehehe

[night prism]

there were a few issues with merging since we both modified the atlast file @dusty river

git can't merge changes on not-text files

but it should be fixed now

[dusty river]

okey 👍 I'll check on my end

I'm also gonna do a run with this godot joker hehhehehehe

[night prism]

it seems very strong

we may need to nerf the mult a bit

[dusty river]

maybe, I'll test it myself to see

[night prism]

i'm going to sleep here

it's 3 am lol

[dusty river]

okey, see you tommorow, gulag! 👋

[night prism]

i got lost doing the godot art

[dusty river]

oh, god, lol
yeah, go to bed, lol
get some good rest ☁️ 🛏️ ☁️

[night prism]

i've been improving my sleep schedule recently

not today though lol

[dusty river]

I share that, mine was getting better when my gf was around online reminding me, but she's been offline recently and my depression started kicking in, so it's now worse than before lol

[night prism]

well, gn

[dusty river]

gn gulag!

[static finch]

@night prism based as fuck, joker idea?

[night prism]

just like me fr

[static finch]

he looks like god from the sandbox

[night prism]

forgot the h lol

[static finch]

caron(te)

also holy shit it looks so good

jokes aside

[night prism]

Charon, our favorite wall street investor

[static finch]

charon, the capitalist (he's in hell for a reason)

[night prism]

real

since we have no artist i guess i'll help a bit more with the art

[night prism]

improved

[static finch]

oh my gawd

glorious

[night prism]

white and black paint are in, together with the remaining pride flags

[static finch]

incredible

so are you going to tell me how to make the 42 rank

[night prism]

sure

it's easy enough

[static finch]

Clueless~1

trust me i'll find some way to screw it up

[night prism]

this is all you need

[static finch]

we also need a thing to get the thing

thinging

right

[night prism]

what?

[static finch]

jk

we also need a consumable to make stuff 42 right

[night prism]

sure

[static finch]

my pitch is that it's crappy stone cards but still has a suit

[night prism]

21 from unstable is calling

[static finch]

that's from D&DG

actually

[night prism]

also funny that 21 is exactly half of 42

[static finch]

(I FUCKING HATE THOSE)

[static finch]

yeah didn't think of that

blackjack is half the meaning of everything ig

[night prism]

real

[static finch]

well

the tarot sould be deep thought

(duh)

(yes i know it's crappy tower but hey, i like my flushes)

[night prism]

worse bonus cards

[static finch]

no

better

cause they could be bonus too

[night prism]

worse because it's harder to pair them

[static finch]

wdym

[night prism]

better because the have no enhancement

[night prism]

well, bonus cards keep their rank

[static finch]

i guess

[night prism]

you can make pairs and stuff

[static finch]

have bonus cards ever been good

[night prism]

also they have synergies

no

[static finch]

ha

imagine

negative steel 42s

red seal

[night prism]

why not king?

how does it being 42 help?

[static finch]

because it's crappy and it would be funny

if we had a joker that only retriggers 42s

kinda reworked both

what do you think?

[night prism]

better

but still not sure why the chips scale faster

[static finch]

cause they're kinda worthless

as you said

Xchips is just Xmult applied differently

forgot this one

[night prism]

for that reason, why did you make them different?

[static finch]

more Xchips offsets it's relative uselessness

you want them completely equal?

i guess it makes sense for cinsistency

[night prism]

but they are equal

[static finch]

i meant

[night prism]

this just makes light suits better

[static finch]

in numbers here

[static finch]

technically no, they still cap

[night prism]

i got you

[static finch]

sooo uh

what would you do

[night prism]

but they scale faster

i'd make them equal probably

also nerf the numbers because rn this is broken

[static finch]

it's a fuckin legendary

and it caps

[night prism]

X3 chips and X2 is equivalent to X6 mult

[static finch]

hm

okay what about X5 chips and X10 mult max

[night prism]

yorik gain X1 every ante if u are lucky

the max is not the problem

the problem is that if you trigger it just 2 times it's better than any legenday in game will be after 10 antes

2 triggers this goes to x20 mult

6 x 4 = 20

this should be X1 at most

[static finch]

hmm

so either i bump it's rarity or i just nerf the numbers to the ground

[night prism]

i'd nerf the numbers

[static finch]

...what about apocalyptic? technically niko's arrival means the end of the world

i'll also nerf the numbers

[night prism]

nah

it's not on the same level of fucking cthulhu

or the pale from DE

[static finch]

the player in universe becomes technically a god though

[static finch]

what do i know

also i remind you we have that dumbass vampire there too

in theory

[night prism]

i think even radiance from hk does not fit the apocalyptic theme

even though she ended the kingdom singlehandedly

[static finch]

why wouldn't she

[night prism]

because apocalyptic is more like, horrors beyond human comprehension to me

primordial also are very powerful

but they have a different vibe

[static finch]

well niko can't be a primordial

hey. you know what. fuck this, i'll make them gaster-like

[night prism]

i think legendary is fine

[static finch]

if gaster has the privilege to be where he doesn't belong so does niko

[night prism]

i'd prefer them to be a bit weaker but more common that super rare

[static finch]

well i want to make myself look good

[night prism]

just legendary is fine imo

[static finch]

okay but with which numbers

[night prism]

X1 mult and chips i'd say

with no cap

since it destroys the cards

[static finch]

uh

i guess it makes sense

[night prism]

you can't use it forever

[static finch]

buut

what about the transformation

does it retain the power?

i think generating omegas is already pretty powerful

and it's based around the cap

[night prism]

i forgot that

[static finch]

Clueless~1

[night prism]

then keep the cap the same

no

actually, decrease it

since it scales slower it will reach it later

[static finch]

eh

i guess

to what

[night prism]

dunno

x8 maybe

[static finch]

hmm

they are 8, i guess it makes sense

[night prism]

that's equvalent to x64 mult already

[static finch]

NINTENDO

[night prism]

this may still be too strong tbf

this scales exponentially

since chips and mult get multiplied

so actually not exponentially, but quadratically

[static finch]

WOW

whatevs, it's a legendary with a a specific scaling condition and it's also capped

i doubt you get that ante one and immediately have the tools to scale it well

[night prism]

x1, x4,x9,x16,x25,x36,x49,x64

i think it's fine for now

in case we can nerf it

i wanted to balance this since i intended to code it

[static finch]

ah

makes sense

[night prism]

fitting 42 of them is not easy

[static finch]

make a stupid 42 with the suits instead

:3

like

a literal 42

[night prism]

nah, i like having 42 of them

161 type shit

[static finch]

bruh

"161 of clubs."

[night prism]

are you telling me this is not the funniest shit ever?

[static finch]

i think it is

yes

[night prism]

i got 40

[static finch]

well, 2 more with the hearts under 42?

[night prism]

yeah i finished it

i'm doing the other suits now

fuck, the clubs don't fit

[static finch]

aww dang it

[night prism]

@static finch

[static finch]

absolutely glorious

but what about modded suits

how do they work even

[night prism]

how does unstable do that?

[static finch]

hah no idea :3

[night prism]

they are bugged

e of stars displays the 5 of stars sprite

[static finch]

niko_surprised

[static finch]

AGs_Niko

@dusty river ?

[dusty river]

good morning

[dusty river]

what's up?

[night prism]

a lot

[static finch]

42

[night prism]

i added art to 2 cards and implemented the 42 rank

[dusty river]

oooo

what's up with 42 rank? is it just what it says on the tin, or?

[static finch]

it is

like the 161

just for the funzies

[dusty river]

mhh, okey I guess
lol

[static finch]

my idea was

that there's a darkana (being just deep thought) that transforms a single card in a 42

you sacrifice straights and all that other bullcrap for a quasi-stone card that can have a suit

[dusty river]

is 42 a powerful enough rank to work with that, tho?

[static finch]

it's +42 chips, and can have enhancements, editions, and also should get specific jokers i gotta think about

[dusty river]

cuz I know darkana were supposed to be really strong

[dusty river]

mhh, fair

[static finch]

it's potential, not immediate gain with this one

i wanted a retrigger joker that only retriggers 42s

for example

[dusty river]

OOO THE CHARON AND SIGMA ART IS FIRE

[static finch]

it should either be ford or arthur

[static finch]

ikr

[night prism]

not sure how to balance this, i don't want it to be able to save you too often

[static finch]

absolute masterpiece

[night prism]

thank you <3

[static finch]

it sounds like capitalist mr bones

tbh

[night prism]

i don't like it making you loose money

[dusty river]

I mean, because it's a legendary and it doubles each time, I'd say the number can go down by a lot

[night prism]

but i don't know what else

[static finch]

it's just situational

imo

[night prism]

with $300 this can save you 4 times

[static finch]

if you're rich enough you eiter already broke the game or just have eco

[static finch]

doubles every time

didya read it

[dusty river]

yeah, but, that's IF you have 300

[night prism]

50, 100, 200

350 i meant yeah

sorry

[static finch]

doesn't it self destruct if it brought you to 0

and you lose

[night prism]

but it still saves you

[static finch]

i dunno i don't like it either tbh

[dusty river]

it's a self-destructing legendary, legendaries don't really do that lol

[night prism]

well, this is pretty unique

[dusty river]

which is why, if we're to keep it's self destructing nature, we kinda need it to be pretty powerful, I'd make it 25 at least

[night prism]

and the effect is thematic and and powerful

[static finch]

it is but i don't like that it's either op as shit or totally useless

[night prism]

i don't like it costing money

i'd prefer something else

[static finch]

what else though

[night prism]

dunno

[dusty river]

if I knew more about the game I could help, but I don't sadly lol

[night prism]

well he is pretty much your guiding figure for the whole game

[static finch]

which game

[night prism]

so him saving you seams thematic

[night prism]

disco elysium

[static finch]

ugh

[night prism]

i don't want to make spoilers though

[static finch]

welllll uh my modest opinion is that if it was a rare it'd make sense

[dusty river]

I think, maybe, instead of money, maybe you can just make it a cap of 5 saves or something, maybe once per ante?

[night prism]

he can save you buy giving you money once

so that's why i choose that

[static finch]

you know i think

that jokers that require you to fail to do stuff suck ass as an idea in general

[night prism]

yeah but i like it depending on external factors

so you can build for it

[night prism]

i agree

[static finch]

this is just like gungeon

[night prism]

this is why i'm reworking this

[static finch]

stuff that requires you to take damage SUCKS

[night prism]

well

this is not the same

[static finch]

sorta but still

[night prism]

this does not become stronger if u fail

[static finch]

losing shouldn't be a win condition

should it

[night prism]

it prevents you from failing

[static finch]

if you build to fail it's not fun

[night prism]

this is not a win condition

[static finch]

how does it save you then

[night prism]

this is not something you build for

[static finch]

it won't help you actually start beating stuff

[dusty river]

what about, something to do with rerolls, maybe?

[night prism]

this is like mr bones, to save you against hard bosses and stuff

[dusty river]

or gaining mult/chips if the blind goal isn't beaten in first hand?

[night prism]

that's the point

[night prism]

no idea how those 2 are anyway related to the character

[static finch]

can't you twist it in an auto-blind cleaner if you get infinite money though

[night prism]

but you don't know him

[night prism]

this is why i don't like it

[static finch]

that's what i'm sayin

[dusty river]

I don't know the character
but you told me that his deal was that he helped you along the journey, and I think both of these are thematic in that

[night prism]

i like it saving u

not the way it does

[dusty river]

what if it gives a second roll on failed chances? I know the game's all about being an accidental racist or something, and if he's to help you-

[night prism]

i could make it random, with the chance of self destructing increasing every time

but this feels too luck based

[static finch]

yeah

[night prism]

well, tbf he's the only character you can be accidentally racist towards

funnily enough

[static finch]

you see you can be accidentally racist towards ghouls multiple times in NV

yeehaw cowboy game wins again

[night prism]

but how about being intentionally racist?

[static finch]

OH BOY.

[dusty river]

I feel like a big problem rn is, the joker either makes you live forever, makes you live through, like, 3 deaths, or instantly gets destroyed

[static finch]

THERE'S A PERK FOR THAT

[static finch]

it's just ultra inconsistent