Resurgence (WIP) - Primordial Arts

[night prism]

What about literally just satan as a joker?

[static finch]

ya

[static finch]

mega satan

you mean

(isaac moment)

[dusty river]

mhhh, interesting lol

[night prism]

Satan+

[dusty river]

(we might end up with a 6 build being possible hehehe)

[static finch]

it already was with the 6 sleeve from TMD

[dusty river]

not satan yet, but u made me think of this one for some more 6 synergy

(not sure how good the wording on this one is lol)

[static finch]

cool

[static finch]

well i'd say it's good

[dusty river]

hand full of gold 6s when pitchfork joker :3

[night prism]

No sound, no memory ass joker

[night prism]

Just say retrigger all 6s 2 times

[static finch]

FEED IT.

[static finch]

it says it only retriggers effects though

[night prism]

Well

[dusty river]

(tbh, never liked cryptid's ultrakill jokers, they just don't feel ULTRA enough, u know? lol)

[night prism]

What qualifies as an effect?

Aren't the 6 cips an effect too?

[dusty river]

nononono, you misunderstood
retriggers both "scoring" and "held in hand effects"

[night prism]

Just like red seal

So just use that wording

[dusty river]

does... does red seal work in hand?

[night prism]

Yes

[dusty river]

I never knew that lmao

[night prism]

Never heard of red seal steel kings?

[static finch]

bruh

[night prism]

The only way of getting naneinf in vanilla

[static finch]

aka baron mime sock and buskin + polychrome steel red seal kings

if i remember correctly

[night prism]

No sock and no poly

You just hold them in hand

44 red seal steel kings with mime barond and 3 blueprints is enough to win

[static finch]

i remember seeing it like that

i guess it's just a win more situation

[night prism]

Both don't work in hand

And holding them in hand is better than scoring them

[static finch]

i have a few cards

[night prism]

Polychrome jack of hearts?

[static finch]

it's foil

actually

means you can play it from the hand without advantage costs

[night prism]

@static finch we need to decide the power level of apocalyptic jokers

I'd say in between legendary and primordial

[static finch]

i'd say more powerful than primordials with huge drawbacks

if you don't lean into them

[night prism]

Dunno

[static finch]

also i got distracted by my brother and lost a good run halfway thorugh so

[night prism]

Primordials are the main thing from the mod

[static finch]

primordials don't nuke stuff if you don't actively use them

[night prism]

Kill him

[dusty river]

mhhm, yeah, idk
it also all depends on how easy it is to get apocalyptic jokers

[static finch]

real

[static finch]

the whole additional difficulty thing?

[night prism]

Well, i'd first figure out the power level, then balance that aroud it

[dusty river]

mhhh

let's concept some jonkers first maybe, give us something to start with milo

[night prism]

Yeah

This is why i was asking

[static finch]

well hm

[night prism]

I have a 3 hours long travel in front of me, so imma brainstorm a bit during it

[static finch]

for the oneshot squares i wanted to make it something like: "if hand contains a 4 of a kind or any 4 card, ^44 mult. otherwise, destroy half of your deck"

[static finch]

based

[night prism]

After that back to coding

[night prism]

I'd like drawback which are more related to the effect

[static finch]

...you did not play oneshot

it's thematic not related to the effect

[night prism]

The drawback and the advantage being caused by the same thing

[night prism]

I'm not talking theme wise here

Just gameplay wise

[static finch]

hm

so what would you propose

[night prism]

For this one i don't care

A few can be like this

But i'd want most of them to be more interesting

[static finch]

hm

well obviously the D&DG ones should have something to do with blackjack

[night prism]

This type of effects work better in multi-player games, but u can do a lot in single player too

[night prism]

Yeah

A joker that sets all values on all joker to 7 or something?

[static finch]

what does that have to do with blackjack

[night prism]

So it fucks up a lot of them, but buffs many too

[static finch]

also, those bosses don't do those kinda things

[night prism]

Not for that

[static finch]

the angel boss guy thing literally just plays 21s

[night prism]

For another joker

[static finch]

oh

hmm

well lucky 7 from D&DG is going in too

i'd add that it also gives +77 chips if there are 3 or more scoring 7s

to keep in line with the in-game one

[dusty river]

If combined total value of ranks in played hand is equal to 21, ^^21 Mult, otherwise, destroy all played cards after scoring

hows that

[static finch]

the devil guy thing fits more

cause his whole thing is burning your deck

the angel should have something to do with divine cards imo

we got them let's use them

[dusty river]

also, another idea, same one from earlier, but more solidified

[static finch]

why obsidian?

[night prism]

What rarity?

[dusty river]

apocolyptic

[night prism]

I guess

Very strong

[dusty river]

Stone cards (chips) --(supercharge)--> Obsidian

[static finch]

yeah makes sense

but uh

drawback?

[dusty river]

mult is always equal to 1

meaning, no +mult or xmult or ^mult will have any effect, not even the starting mult from poker hand level

it is always 1

you'd have to rely on only chip gaining effects

[static finch]

oh right i'm stupid

makes sense but the theming is kinda off

[night prism]

Also, obsidian is not really apocalyptic

Like, cthulhu, moon lord and then just a damn rock

[static finch]

oh

i got it

let's reference that myth

well more like throught experiment

[dusty river]

I mean, tbf, it's not like a clown is very legendary

[night prism]

Myth?? Prism reference

[static finch]

where a god is omnipotent and is asked to create a rock not even it can move

[dusty river]

or a burnt playing card very rare

[night prism]

They are though?

[static finch]

if it does, it's not omnipotent but if it can't it's not either

[static finch]

depends

the person itself may not be but the image could be a thing of legends for what it represents

[night prism]

No one said that rare cards must be powerful or something

But we said that apocalyptic jokers should be eldritch beings

[static finch]

or at least really powerful beings

[dusty river]

I know, lol, I'm kinda joking
but like, idk if we need to worry too too much on theming, I mean, how exactly is a credit card a joker exactly?

[dusty river]

fair, tho

[night prism]

Jokers are just wathever

But credit card could never be a legendary

[dusty river]

brb, gotta go for a bit :<

[static finch]

jokers are abstract

anything could be a joker given it's got powers just being there

[dusty river]

Fghj lol, I now am starting to realize I may be in the wrong here lol

Obsidian was kinda a placeholder anyway lol, I'd like to reuse the name elsewhere tho lol

[night prism]

As you said before, people are wrong sometimes <3

[static finch]

good.

call it immovable object or something

[static finch]

as i said before, you're the perfect example :3

wlel, you as in railgun

[night prism]

I'm railgun now i guess

[static finch]

ha

transfem confirmed @dusty river

[static finch]

oh my god, the final boss is exactly what i expected

this shit's got BREAKCORE

the guy must be an apocalyptic joker

after all, he's the reaosn our society's dying

[static finch]

first edition Charizard joker?

[night prism]

$90000 sell value

No other effects

[static finch]

real

to buy it you gotta sell your kidney

[night prism]

Indeed

[static finch]

also you should make a last prism prismatic

[night prism]

But think of swashbuckler

[static finch]

that would be funny

[static finch]

real

[night prism]

And temperance

[static finch]

yargh argh matie

[static finch]

max of 50

kinda sucks

[night prism]

I already have pirate joker planned for prism

[static finch]

wasn't swashbuckler a pirate

[night prism]

+3 mult when you obtain a joker without buying it

[night prism]

Yeah

[static finch]

bruh

well anyway

last prism prismatic

do it

NOW

[night prism]

I have 3 rn

[static finch]

what

[night prism]

Imma go for 5

I think

[static finch]

5 total?

damn that's kinda little

[night prism]

Yeah

For now

[static finch]

even exotics have more

[night prism]

Many more in the future

Darkside is in stall rn

[static finch]

ah

alrighty

[night prism]

I'm putting all effort in prism and vampirica at the moment

Prism is going to get a new update soon

[static finch]

oo

[night prism]

And vampirica is still a mess

[static finch]

:3

you know who else-

[night prism]

Please stop

[static finch]

oh come on

also I can't kill myself

[night prism]

Sorry but i love this immage

[night prism]

Not with that attitude

[night prism]

I love how worried niko is

[static finch]

I'm sorry this is peak expression

[night prism]

Anyway

I'll soon be home

[static finch]

okie

I'll try to make something I guess

and write down some apocalyptics

[night prism]

We are a great team

[static finch]

i do nothing

you do everything

the synergy is astounding

[night prism]

(I'll keep repeting this till it's true)

[static finch]

so uh

ad infinitum

[night prism]

Let me hope

[static finch]

well I already have given up hope

as I am the reason this will never be realized

[night prism]

I'm gonna turn you into meatballs

[static finch]

YAY ;3

[night prism]

And put them in spagetti

[static finch]

the most Italian way to die

[night prism]

You could still get pizzad

[static finch]

I was complaining about sucking ass at modding to my bf

he just said "watch YouTube tutorials I guess"

[static finch]

eh, spaghetti is still the most Italian alongside human pizza

[night prism]

clueless

[static finch]

real

[night prism]

anyway, you don't need them

You have the best teacher one could ask for

[static finch]

i got you after all

literally just the teachy tv from pokemon

[night prism]

<3

[static finch]

annoying and harps on but at least you know what you're talking about ;3

[night prism]

And i got you back

I guess

[static finch]

...you got my back? I wish :3

[night prism]

Not as annoying as you though

[static finch]

second place

assured

[night prism]

i have returned

Imma fix sans now

[static finch]

woo

[night prism]

i'll add a few messages too

what should sans say when creating a tag?

[static finch]

no idea

@dusty river ?

[night prism]

@static finch you missed this file from maximus

this is why sans worked for you

and not for railgun

since she didn't have maximus

sans works now!!

[static finch]

incredible

good to know

[night prism]

though we should nerf him

[static finch]

yeah

[night prism]

a tag every blind is crazy strong for an uncommon

[static finch]

i still think guaranteed tags and chips as uncommon

is op

at least rare

[dusty river]

Hmmm, will have to think on how to balance him

On phone rn btw, can't talk much, but just thought I'd pop in for a sec lmao

[static finch]

whelp

better than nothin

[night prism]

@dusty river not to sound lazy, but i'd appreciate if u could rework the effect from brown paint because it's a bit of a pain in the ass to code

[static finch]

trust me you'll never beat me

in laziness

[dusty river]

Fair, I'll see what I can do

[night prism]

wait though

i just had an epiphany

[static finch]

HOLY SHIT ISAAC?

[night prism]

i'll let u know if i find issues

[night prism]

why no isaac planars? we only have one rn

o wait

there's already a mod for that

i forgot that

[static finch]

yeah it's kinda jaaank

i tried it

so anyway, don't you worry i will come up with some stupid isaac stuff

[night prism]

if i'm allowed i'll come with disco elysium stuff too, dw no spoilers

since you now are obligated to play it

[static finch]

"await your sentence at the end of time"

[night prism]

i'll have to add this guy for sure

[static finch]

the what

[night prism]

tbf this is a fire name too

[static finch]

OH NO NOT ELON STANS

PLEASE NO

[night prism]

honestly disco elysium has some of the funnies npc names of any game

[night prism]

my favorite one

[static finch]

i think the cryptofascist is funnier

[night prism]

this is fire too

[night prism]

the joke is that he's a cryptobiologist too

[static finch]

bruh

did you see the final boss of D&DG

@night prism

[night prism]

yes

[static finch]

what do you think

i think it's perfect

[night prism]

fire too

[night prism]

yeah

[static finch]

my ass be like

[night prism]

what about this?

you can guess the censored word

[static finch]

holy shit sniper tf2?

[night prism]

the classic

[static finch]

(only goldenshower i like is the tome)

[static finch]

(yes if i put a space between those it's censored)

[static finch]

OMG

hejustlikeme

[night prism]

he's pissf****t's buddy

[static finch]

real

[night prism]

what about this?

i forgot this one lol

[static finch]

average furry (i despise equines, ugly fucks)

[night prism]

how should i represent racism on balatro cards?

it's fundamental to disco elysium

[static finch]

what a wonderful question

idfk

[night prism]

fascism is an actual game mechanic in that game

[static finch]

i'm not big on racism yk

[static finch]

i guess it ponders to italians

[night prism]

you don't say

[static finch]

i hate everyone equally

except the favorites

[night prism]

well, communism is too

[static finch]

(you're one of them)

[static finch]

I SHALL SING THE PRAISES OF OUR GLORIOUS COUNTRY

(if only those christian idiots didn't make our constitution)

[night prism]

best disco elysium character

[static finch]

GigaChad

he's literally just gigachad stalin

[night prism]

but wait till u see that game achivements

they are so damn funny

[static finch]

i will

some day

[static finch]

i see a key for 4 euroooos

[static finch]

supremeleaderniko

[static finch]

https://tenor.com/view/minos-prime-king-minos-ultrakill-game-hakita-gif-5326576469495330161

[night prism]

me fr

[static finch]

oh come on

i wanna see your mental illness tooo :3

[static finch]

mf's HUSTLIN

[night prism]

i love how ungrammatical this one is

true italian

[static finch]

mf's ripped

[night prism]

go pirate that game and play it

[night prism]

for legal reasons i want to clarify this is a joke

clearly

no doubt

[static finch]

definitely

i mean 4 euros isn't that bad and the money is not going to the guys there

and i want the achievements

if it was like 10 i wouldn't have been enthusiastic

[night prism]

fair

i support this

but prepare for a lot of reading

i know you don't like that

[static finch]

i like reading

it all depends on UI scaling

[night prism]

lemme check

[dusty river]

baaaaaccc :3

[static finch]

i remind you i ain't got 2/10s total

[static finch]

yayyyy :3

bottom reunion

[night prism]

this seems big enough, even for u

[static finch]

hum

yeah

https://tenor.com/view/diekatzlei-katzlei-die-katzlei-cattemacchiato-acceptable-gif-13770293561680298605

[dusty river]

I'm not sure if u ever did the message for sans tag granting, but I think it should be some kind of pun
Skele-tag lmao

[night prism]

fitting

[static finch]

dead on the spot

[night prism]

then i'm changing upgrade to a pun too

[static finch]

which pun

[night prism]

dunno

[static finch]

bruh

[night prism]

sans puns are a level of unfunny i can't replicate

i kinda got brown paint to work @dusty river

[dusty river]

ooo?

[night prism]

yeah, i need to fix some issues still

[static finch]

i could

reportedly

cause you slander me

i don't deserve such things

[night prism]

i do it with love

[static finch]

boykissereyebrow

is that so

[night prism]

i'm sending u to boykisser jail, a jail with no boys to kiss

[static finch]

i can kiss anything

try me

[night prism]

kiss my fucking ass then

<3

[static finch]

sure :3

[dusty river]

what's the name of the mod that changes how stakes work again? House rules?

is it updated to modern?

[static finch]

is this about my idea

[dusty river]

wdym?

[static finch]

the whole difficulty on demand for apocalyptic jokers thing?

[dusty river]

no, lol
I wanted to try it maybe, as I like how stickers like eternal and rental work, but don't get to use them as I play on white stake, and think they're a bit too common

I'd love to play with all the stickers on, +1, maybe +2 shop slots to compensate, and that's it

[static finch]

oh

makes sense

i'm gold stake or nothing

[dusty river]

yeah lol
I like some stake things, but not most
doesn't help that one of my least favorites is red stake lmao, no money from small blind just isn't fun imo

(should I nerf purple paint lmao)

[static finch]

what'd it do again?

[static finch]

it's just an incentive to skip

never cared about it tbh

[dusty river]

it's fine in normal runs, but this shit goes so fucking crazy in high card builds lol

[static finch]

yeah i'd argue straight flushes are worthless

[dusty river]

we're talking about nerfs not buffs lmao
the og point was to have 2 not-too-good hands that buffed the mult, but it seems that if you manage to get the hands done, it kinda goes nuts lol

WAIT, what if I literally swapped it to your 2 lowest used hands (this run)?

that'd autobalance it, like a non-resetting obelisk (which means it's actually usable, lmao)

[static finch]

high cards are super good in modded, on average

[static finch]

obelisk is the best joker whatcha on about

[dusty river]

?????
I disagree personally

[static finch]

i'm joking bruh

it sucks ass

only thing it's good for is selling it if it comes from sob/obelisk printer

[dusty river]

ahh, lmao

autism is autism

[static finch]

guess my humour is easily missable

[night prism]

brown paint in game

it wasn't too hard in the end

[dusty river]

Yippee!!

[night prism]

i got a weird lag spike while testing, but restarting the game fixed it, so i assume it was something else

[dusty river]

hmm, I'll let u know if I see anything

[night prism]

I got a joker idea for a disco elysium planar, but it's spoiler, so i'm now conflicted about adding it to the sheet lol

I'll add all the other pride flags now

Wait

We still miss white paint

So i guess i'm not adding all of them yet

[night prism]

Just realized brown paint does not work on jokers rn

I'll fix it asap

i slightly changed brown paint if u don't mind

it works on cards to the right rather than left for consistency with blueprint and a few code reasons

[dusty river]

fair, okey

[night prism]

it also works with held in hand effects, in case u want to add some

[dusty river]

oooo, nice

good to know

[night prism]

@dusty river I added and updated a few effects, i updated the colors on the sheet accordingly

i updated all the green cards except andromeda and tree(3) because i'm not sure what's changed about this one

[dusty river]

ok, so
tree(3) had it's requirement changed

pretty simple, instead of tarots, it's any consumable

[night prism]

imma changed it asap

ok, tree(3) is updated now

[dusty river]

andromeda is actually pretty different, it used to be x25 sell value and price, now it's only sell value, and it's increased to x650

[night prism]

i saw tha one yeah

[dusty river]

ahh, thought u said u weren't sure of either, u just meant tree(3), lol

[night prism]

yeah, just tree

i'm calling it for today, see u tomorrow

[dusty river]

see ya!

[dusty river]

rubber isn't removing stickers 😔

[night prism]

This is not a bug, i just forgot to code it lol

[static finch]

GLORIOUS

[night prism]

sorry but how's the bi flag red?

anyway, i added bi and pan flag, other than adding the random poll at the start of the game

now only one flag will appear

[night prism]

i forgot to remove some prints lol

nothing green left in the sheet

added messages too

i find this message kinda funny

[dusty river]

good morning everyone

[night prism]

i'm adding a lot of loc

[dusty river]

oooo, nice

[night prism]

i plan on doing it for all the jokers currently in game

and from now on we should try to add is as we code them

[dusty river]

tru
I might need help color/format wise tho lol

tbf, i think it's gonna be way better even to add a bad loc than to add no loc

[night prism]

i forgot a space in sans

[dusty river]

I can definantly see what you mean with the whole garunteed skip tag thing, but I have no idea how to balance it without just changing the rarity, lmao

[night prism]

a chance maybe? like hopscotch

or only do it once per ante

[dusty river]

btw, I wanted to try and code another jonker and I think it'd be nice to have v1 in, but I have no idea how to do half of this lol

[night prism]

this will make it to complex imo

[dusty river]

hmmm, I'll have to think of something here

tbh, might even scrap that part actually 😔 I mean, he does have 2 effects rn technically lol

we can always have the 2nd effect given to another joker at some point, cuz I do like it idea wise

hmmm

[night prism]

we can see

[night prism]

rn this shouldn't be too hard, but you'll need to learn a few new things

[dusty river]

yayyy!

the things here that I think might be things I don't know yet are
1: Xpaint value, I think this'd be useful for me to learn how to do tho, as multiple jokers have an effect like this
2: unpainted check
3: tweak application check and prevention

I do think I could do the red painting and gaining of value from playing steel cards maybe

let me get the basics of the joker in real quick

[dusty river]

this is it except for the calculate I think

[night prism]

seems fine

[night prism]

all jokers have loc now

[dusty river]

yipppee! :333

[night prism]

lol, i love u @dusty river

colossal dreadmaw is peak mtg card

was this part of your 6 synergy set?

[dusty river]

lmao, no
just a shitpost lol
the joke is that it's effect is supposed to, as closely as possible, mimick it's magic card

[night prism]

yeah i get that

[dusty river]

Power/Toughness
Trample

[night prism]

peak design

[night prism]

if we doing mtg then i'm adding Emrakul as an apocalyptic

[dusty river]

we should add the bfg (or whatever his name was lmao)

[night prism]

bfm (big furry monster)

+99 chips and +99 mult

but you must find both halfs for it to work

one half gives 99 chips the other 99 mult, but they are debuffed if you don't have both

i actually like this idea lol, for an uncommon maybe

[static finch]

boykissereyebrow

[night prism]

for ref

[static finch]

Clueless~1

[dusty river]

I have an andromeda and a motherboarded economics 101 :333

[dusty river]

hmmm, interesting lol, tho, maybe having one half should make the other more common
(also, I think it'd be funny if in order to trigger, it had to be the joker directly to the side of it)

[static finch]

oi gulag

you know where the DOE effect code is?

i'll just lift that wholesale

[static finch]

for directer

[night prism]

o yeah, i'm actually making it need to be on the side

i considered making it common, but that seems pretty strong

[static finch]

uncommon is fine imo

[night prism]

it's a bit of a mess

[dusty river]

yeah, it is crazy hard to get 2 specific jokers here lol
part of what balanced the og M and m effects imo

[night prism]

i'd make that effect dependent on cryptid

[dusty river]

(another reason I hate the M explosion lmao)

[static finch]

oh boy

[static finch]

hm makes sense i guess

[dusty river]

hmmm, maybe the joker could have a rework to make it's effect similar, but easier to code?

[static finch]

but then how do i make it

[night prism]

yeah, but considering how consistent photochad is, i'm not sure lol

[static finch]

the gayness makes them stronger

[night prism]

and if u get both of those this is probably better than photochad early game

i'll see

[dusty river]

mhh yes, but, to be fair, photo and chad do work without the other, they just work better when used together

[night prism]

true

also with mods finding two specific jokers is harder

i think i'll make it common for now

also because in early game it's very risky to take an useless joker

[static finch]

yeah

sooo

[night prism]

risk reward is good

[static finch]

how do i make directer?

[night prism]

peak game design

[night prism]

wait a sec

[static finch]

aye

[dusty river]

interesting, lol

[static finch]

mini bones

[night prism]

mn

[dusty river]

wonder what's turning the "+10" into a "+0"

[night prism]

fixed

i forgot to add extra

@static finch this is the main part of deck of equilibrium's code

the if type == "Tag" then part is unrelated

that's for triple tags

[static finch]

soo you said it's better not to copy it?

also in which file is it

[night prism]

you can

overrides.lua

[static finch]

you said it was better making it cryptid exclusive

so i don't get what i should do

[night prism]

for simplicity and compatibility

[static finch]

if i copy the code i suppose it's not crytpid exclusive?

[night prism]

but you can code it if u want

[static finch]

...like i knew how to

[night prism]

indeed

[static finch]

will it go like hopscotch's code or

[night prism]

you can just copy paste this function and remove the part before deck of equilibrium

[static finch]

oh alright

let's hope it doesn't explode

[night prism]

then make the var G.GAME.modifiers.cry_equilibrium true when you get the joker

you could also add a check that does not do this if cryptid is installed

to avoid conflicts

[static finch]

no idea how to do that

[night prism]

don't worry about it for now

[static finch]

so like the adding and removing consumable slots on j&c?

[night prism]

yes

[static finch]

copied it wholesale excluding the tag part and it's erroring

[dusty river]

I really wish that wild cards were considered for only base game suits
swapping me from my flush build to a spectrum build does NOT make me wanna do a wild card build lol

[night prism]

remove the 2 lines that are erroring

i'm not sure how they ended up there since they are not in the original

[static finch]

wildcards suck already lolz

[static finch]

they are

?

[night prism]

they are not

as you can see

[static finch]

i uh

[night prism]

you added them twice

[static finch]

that's the code after i removed them

did i?

i'm stupid then

wellll anyway

all i gotta do now is make it so that when i get the joker it calls the function right?

[night prism]

just set the global to be true

G.GAME.modifiers.cry_equilibrium = true in add to deck

though you can do this better i think

actually

leave the joker empty

and replace that line in the func with next(find_joker("joker_key"))

[static finch]

so?

[static finch]

wuh?

[night prism]

this works, but i think the other method is better

[static finch]

what other method

[night prism]

rn for example debuffing this joker does nothing

[static finch]

fuckin janky wifi ain't even working

[night prism]

remove the 2 funcs you added to the joker

[static finch]

it took death to kill the directer

and it was for like 2 minutes

[static finch]

ok?

[night prism]

go here and replace G.GAME.modifiers.cry_equilibrium with next(find_joker("j_anva_directer"))

[night prism]

yes

you can also add and not G.GAME.modifiers.cry_equilibrium after that

so it does nothing if u have doe already

it should work now

[static finch]

soo

[night prism]

wait

[static finch]

it automatically looks for the joker and only works if you have it?

[night prism]

you forgot a thing i think

[night prism]

yes

and if it's not debuffed

[static finch]

i forgot what?

[static finch]

tbf i would've made it a feature

bethesda style

[night prism]

did u add this at the end?

i can't see it from the screenshot

[static finch]

shouldn't i have?

[night prism]

it's in the original function

[static finch]

well i deleted it anyway

[night prism]

from cryptid

[static finch]

so i need it

i suppose

[night prism]

indeed

and you also must add local gcp = get_current_pool before the func

[static finch]

k added

both of them

[night prism]

great

try it now

[static finch]

certainly comrade

[night prism]

can we add an effect like this lol?

found this custom card while looking for mtg cards

are there two commonly used words in balatro that sound similar?

[static finch]

BRUH

[static finch]

all xmult adds equivalent +mult and vice versa?

[night prism]

not really dyslexia though

[static finch]

k it doesn't implode violently

[static finch]

being blind as shit makes you miss letters trust me

[static finch]

even with DOE

'tis be time i add primordials concepts

[night prism]

didn't u add many already?

like the one u just coded

well, coded is a stretch

[static finch]

ha

[static finch]

concepts, and they aren't even on the sheet

also directer is primordial

[static finch]

lemme have my "coding" like my "development"

[night prism]

you just said primordial

i assume u meant apocalyptic

[static finch]

wait i'm stupid

nevermind :3

[static finch]

yeah

[night prism]

i still need a way of representing racism though, it's essential to so many disco elysium characters

[static finch]

just make it about suits, no?

[night prism]

i guess

[dusty river]

rarity? maybe? I guess?

[static finch]

whatcha clicking about so erratically

[dusty river]

nah, that's classism, totally

[static finch]

are you havinc having a stroke

[night prism]

indeed

[static finch]

i hate the bourgeoisie

should i make moon lord something about 3OAKs

he's got 3 little annoying eyes after all

[night prism]

relevant DE screenshot

[static finch]

clicks 1

[night prism]

everyone does

[static finch]

who in their right mind wouldn't

[dusty river]

I love people talking about harry, I have no clue what that game's about, but I know so much about that man lmao

[night prism]

also because this dialogue appears only if u already said 4 communist things

[static finch]

just four?

booo

[night prism]

play the game

[static finch]

too little

[night prism]

this is the first step of the quest

i ended up with 19 or so in my first game

[dusty river]

tbh, I wanna, but I don't wanna support the company that fired them and I suck at sailing, if you get what I mean

[static finch]

well lemme help you with that

scallywag

not knowing how to sail on the internet

smh

[night prism]

i'm sure it would be against discords guidelines to send u a link rn

but...

[static finch]

eh lemme do it

already on it

[night prism]

found one, but the download speed is atrocious

[static finch]

where

[night prism]

common struggle

[night prism]

steamrip, but that site is pretty slow

[static finch]

ah yes

the same one i sent

a bi tgirl of culture indeed

depends, 1fichier goes pretty fast and you ain't gonna donwload 30 gigs off of it

i mean i did pirate half my switch library at least from ziperto and they got prime download speeds for this kinda stuff

so i can't complain really

ah i love timeouts, insignificant in the grand scale of things

[dusty river]

hadjkadsnjk
anyway, enough procrastinating for me, lmao
how tf do I do the paint value manipulation for v1, @night prism ?

[static finch]

i "did" something so another day of time wasting for me

boykisserdance~1

[night prism]

i'm back from containment

1985 is real in this server

[static finch]

WHO LEFT THE O5 KEYCARD OUT?

[static finch]

we need a literally 1984 joker

[dusty river]

1984? or 1985?

[night prism]

i need to change a thing first for this to work

[dusty river]

okey 👍

[night prism]

this peak song is 1985

but yeah, i meant 1984

[dusty river]

btw, I updated motherboard in the sheets
finally realized what it needed
now, all augments come with a tweak, including motherboard

[night prism]

i just fixed it yesterday :(

well, i'll do it again i guess

[dusty river]

I SORRRY lol, hehe

might need some more work tbh, so, I might send a pic in here for discussion

what do we all think of this?

[night prism]

we already discussed the negative values issue

this would not work

[dusty river]

well, that's not what it's talking about

it's talking about fractional value

[night prism]

but they are rarely below 1

say one joker that has fractional values below 1

[dusty river]

constellation

[night prism]

true

actually a lot of scaling xmult

i forgot about those

well, this would be a bit of a mess to code anyway, and i still prefer the current one anyway

[dusty river]

mhh fair

[night prism]

also this would reset constellation's mult to 0 every shop

[dusty river]

I'm just trying to find a way to make it less drastically insane I suppose lol, it feels like it's either 0 or 100,000 each time it's used lol

it's hard to do whilst making the binary refrence still part of it's effect

[night prism]

grab the last commit @dusty river

we can do the paint thing now

[dusty river]

okey! commit grabbed

also, new motherboard idea

[night prism]

interesting

so, for the paint, i think there are 2 ways of doing this

i'd say we are doing it all from the joker

but that would still work if the joker is debuffed

[dusty river]

hmmm

[night prism]

i think, not sure honestly

lemme check on thing

ok, it actually will work fine

so let's use this method

we need to use add_to_deck again

[dusty river]

okey, let me add it in

stole from gaster lol

[night prism]

ok, inside of add to deck add for k, v in pairs(SMODS.Stickers) do

so we iterate all stickers

then if k = "anva_paint_red" do

so we only affect red paint

[dusty river]

okey, caught up here

[night prism]

add another =

i forgot to

[dusty river]

I always forget lol

[night prism]

add ANVA.mod_table_values(v.config,nil,{mult = card.ability.extra.xred})

so we are multiplying all values inside of config times xred

[dusty river]

mhh, okey, nice

[night prism]

test this

it should already work for increasing them

[dusty river]

okey!

[night prism]

replace do with then

the marked one

[dusty river]

done 👍

[night prism]

time to test

[dusty river]

yippee!

[night prism]

fire

now add the reverse

same thing inside of remove_form_deck

but instead of mult = card.ability.extra.xred add mult = 1/card.ability.extra.xred

[dusty river]

I'll do that, but I just had to see if this would work lol, this is awesome lol

[night prism]

lol

[dusty river]

this right?

[night prism]

yes

[dusty river]

wait a sec, tho
how uhh, how is the steel card thing gonna work?

if this is an add to deck effect?

[night prism]

right

then we must recalculate it every time it upgrades

[dusty river]

hmm, somehow, cryptid's value changing effects work with add to deck effects, I wonder how

[night prism]

ok

cryptid has a func for that

[night prism]

get the new commit

[dusty river]

grabbed

[night prism]

so, for counting the 8 steel cards it's the same has gaster

but instead of the id you must check the enhancement

so SMODS.has_enhancement(context.other_card,'m_steel')

[dusty river]

nice, ok

[night prism]

the rest you should already know

[dusty river]

yup! most of it anyway, I'll come back for when I need to do the next part (the tweak override)

(or if I do something stupid and something doesn't work lol)

[night prism]

well, you still need to use the new func i added for the add_to_deck effect

i'll tell you how it works when you need it

[dusty river]

yeag, I either messed something up or I need the thing ur talking about rn lol

[night prism]

what does it do rn?

[dusty river]

here's what I've got atm

[dusty river]

the mult of red cards, no matter how many steel cards are scored, stays at 24, but, when sold, the red cards turned to being 4.8

[night prism]

where you change the anv.xred val you must add this func ANVA.update_add_to_deck(card, function(card)

and then change the val like you are alredy doing in the next line

add end) to close the func

[night prism]

this is because the thing i added is not automatic, you must use it yourself

[dusty river]

mhh, okey, good to know

[dusty river]

like this?

[night prism]

yes

test it now

i'd change this to 1.5

maybe

it's not an easy effect to balance tbf

[dusty river]

hmm, yeah
wasn't sure cuz the chips is so much more than the mult lol

hmmm, red paint isn't raising still, mmhhhmmmm

[static finch]

well it's my namesake so it shouldn't suck

[night prism]

it's a tricky thing to balance

[static finch]

i'd argue alpha ^2 mult and omega ^1.5 chips

[night prism]

imma make e excel file for this

[dusty river]

here's the entire v1

[night prism]

really depends

[dusty river]

let me try this in desmos 1 sec

[night prism]

put the anv definition inside of the new func

[dusty river]

so, a flush five has a BASE chips of 140 and a BASE mult of 14

so

[night prism]

well, in general i'll say the chips to mult ratio is around 6/1

[static finch]

?

[dusty river]

I've actually been using the ratio between the clubs gemstone and the spades gemstone myself

[night prism]

to see the graph

[night prism]

it is very different from card to card

todd and steven have a ratio of more than 8/1

[dusty river]

mhh

take a look at this

[static finch]

i'd argue that considering the increases come before joker effects they shouldnt be too little

[night prism]

as you can see mult scales way better than chips rn

red is mult, blue is chips obv

[dusty river]

it's not about it being too op, it's about it being out of balance with Alpha
we need an ^chips that is equal in balancing or at least close to balancing, of ^mult

[night prism]

for this i'm assuming a 6/1 ratio

[static finch]

oh

so uh

what do you have in mind

[night prism]

^1.5 is way closer

mult is still on top though

1.6 seems the most even

[dusty river]

mhh, interesting

[night prism]

but we are using small vals here

at higher vals mult is always on top

using a logarithmic scale for better readability

alpha will always be better at higher vals

[static finch]

ironic

[night prism]

with 1.5 the moment alpha becomes better is when mult surpasses 6

[static finch]

it's thematic at least

[night prism]

with 1.7 is 65 mult

[dusty river]

mmmh, interesting
I have no idea how to deal with this lmao

[static finch]

something something god give it ^2 and let's call it a day

consistency vs nerding over math

[dusty river]

ashjafhuejk

[dusty river]

2500 vs 49
that's what we have rn lmao

[static finch]

uwusplosion

[night prism]

this means chips are 10 times better on average

pretty huge

i'd put it at 1.7

seams the most reasonable according to the graphs

[static finch]

yeah i guess

tho it's pretty strange as a number without context

[night prism]

i agree, but what can u do

make it 1.75

seams fine to me

massive difference though lol

[dusty river]

for now we can have it at 1.7 I guess

[night prism]

1.7 means mult is better above 65, 1.75 above 216

[static finch]

sounds like it's incrementally better

[night prism]

mindblowing

incremental functions become incrementally better

so i'd leave it at 1.7

[static finch]

pardon me i'm not thinking of math in my vacation

like any normal person would

[night prism]

you chose to mod balatro

if u don't like math mod minecraft or something

[dusty river]

do... do you not have math autism?
how do you be a balatro modding, how you not math autism?

[static finch]

i have read enough f3 data while debugging i should be at harvard

[night prism]

i already updated omega in the code

[static finch]

i have the hyperfixation autism and terminal laziness

[dusty river]

I cast 100{3.14e301}100 upon thee

[static finch]

nikowut

[night prism]

math is fun, as that famous modder would imply

[static finch]

ha

if math doesn't scorch my eyes and i can actually read it, maybe

[night prism]

just do it in your head

btw how do other mods balance ^mult and ^chips?

does jen's not have both?

[static finch]

i forgot how they're balanced honestly but i don't think there's that many ^chips

in there

[static finch]

suuuure

[dusty river]

I don't think most mods that use ^mult have ^chips and I think jen's just didn't care lol

[static finch]

easy to say if your head is not constantly changing thing to think about

[dusty river]

so I'm not really sure

[night prism]

the best choice probably

[night prism]

anyway, have u changed v1 yet?

[static finch]

real

but you're here doing the rhetoric about the "balance"

[night prism]

am I?

personally i would just have either ^mult or ^chips

[static finch]

i mean you did say this

[night prism]

but i see why the difference makes sense here

[static finch]

it's uh, it's theming

[dusty river]

tbh, I wouldn't care that much if alpha and omega weren't so interweaved

[static finch]

you start with chips and end at mult

[static finch]

it's the whole point?

[night prism]

because it was far to weak at 1.2

[dusty river]

I know that

what I mean is

[static finch]

well i didn't put it like that

as i was saying, i'd just do ^2 for both

[dusty river]

them being so similar, I'd like for them to be similar in power too, so that,-

[night prism]

fine

but i was not talking to you

[static finch]

YOU LITERALLY PINGED ME?

[night prism]

i think it's fine now

[static finch]

okay this makes sense

i guess i must sacrifice some theming to make them equivalent in power

at least theoretically

[night prism]

i didn't

[dusty river]

like, imagine having 2 rare jokers, one that gave x1.5 mult unconditionally, and another that gave ^1.5 unconditionally

[static finch]

k but that's not really how they work

is it

[night prism]

i meant i wasn't taking to you before

[static finch]

boykisserSad~2

[dusty river]

same theming, same acquisition

[night prism]

i was talking to railgun about the balance change she made

then you joined

i think we can leave them as they are now, now let's finish v1

[dusty river]

I... can't remember where we left off lol

[static finch]

yeah fair enough

[night prism]

did u add the anv thing?

[static finch]

so me

[dusty river]

RIGHT, okey lol, forgor

[night prism]

do it and show me the code

[dusty river]

in here, right?

[night prism]

yes

test it now

[dusty river]

full code, for a refresher lmao

[night prism]

add a return before the end

just to make sure

just an empty return

[dusty river]

it works! :333

[static finch]

nikothumbsup

[dusty river]

commited it
tho, it isn't 100% finished yet, as the tweak replacer still needs to be done

[night prism]

We'll do it later, as i sadly will be busy touching grass this evening

[dusty river]

it's ok, lol, I actually wanted to take a small break to do some art anyways

[static finch]

condolences

[night prism]

Jk, touch grass too people

[night prism]

You expecially

[static finch]

okay gimme a sec

[night prism]

Well, this does not mean i won't be there at night lol

My sleep schedule is fucked anyway

[static finch]

this enough for ya

[night prism]

Though i probably won't be messaging at that point

[night prism]

The power of rural souther italy

[static finch]

real

there, more grass

[night prism]

And cacti

Love cacti

Anyway, with all the localization done too the mods is starting to feel pretty refined

[static finch]

i despise them

[static finch]

just like my tastes

[night prism]

We still need a lot of art

[night prism]

Go choke on some dick please

[static finch]

alas our artists all vanished into the deep black void

[static finch]

gimme a few years

i'm patient

yes

[night prism]

I'm still here

I did 2 card art

[static finch]

and you realize?

that you're not like me

trying to make history

[night prism]

Peak

[static finch]

show me a good time then

[night prism]

Nanomachines planar when?

[static finch]

SON.

[dusty river]

eventually
it's the only thing I've ever known

[night prism]

@dusty river try doing the loc for v1

So we don't procastinate on it more

[dusty river]

okey, milo needs to do director tho

[night prism]

Indeed they must

[static finch]

truth

[night prism]

Or their balls will be squished like tomatoes

[static finch]

decide

you use boykisser pronouns or neutral pronouns

[static finch]

yes please :3

[night prism]

I fixed them already

I was fast