Resurgence (WIP) - Primordial Arts

[static finch]

prussian imitators

[night prism]

the best one lol

[static finch]

the only one i deserve

[dusty river]

this right?

apparently not from my testing lmao

[night prism]

you sure it does not work?

even if you reroll?

[dusty river]

hmm, let me check reroll

nvm, I forgot to save lol

let me try again, but with the actual code now

[dusty river]

works :3

sorry, lol
now to do the "scored 6s" part
2 things I need to know here
how to get the "when 6 is scored"
and how to do the tally of "every 66 6s scored"
also, 3rd thing actually, how to get the negative tags spawned

actually, scratch that last one

I can probs just look at the joker from ur mod that does the negative tag for 3 6s

[night prism]

for the scored 6 you should use context.individual

this is how wiskey does it

just replace 11 with 6

actually the whiskey code can help u with the tally too

[dusty river]

whiskey's from ur mod right? which line is it on? I'll see what I can gather from it :3

[night prism]

line 807 in jokers.lua

[dusty river]

thankuu, I'll read this

okey, it was a good idea I just had when I said "you know, maybe I should test this bit by bit instead of writting everything at once" lol, cuz it just crashed with only the 6s giving mult and chips

must've messed up the code on it somewhere lol asjdk

omg, wait, I think I must've missed an end

I didn't even check yet, I'm getting good

[dusty river]

ok, so, I think I need better input here, when do i and do I not put an "end"?

[static finch]

if it's literally erroring

whad did you expect

[dusty river]

I tried messing with the number and position of the "end"s here, but I still see red lines

[static finch]

a comma after the 6?

[dusty river]

AHA
thank you

[static finch]

...damn i thought i sucked :3

[dusty river]

I need a "then" there I think

[static finch]

also that

yes

[night prism]

o need for any comma

just the then

[dusty river]

hmm, still redline

[night prism]

remove those commas

after the end

except the last one

[dusty river]

hmm, okey

I half-get why I need to do that, something about the line not continuing afterwards, right?

[night prism]

commas are needed to divide contents of a table

in this case those things are all part of the same function

you need the comma after 66 because return has a table

chips and mult are different things

while the rest of the code is just meant to happen in succession

[dusty river]

ok, I'm really starting to understand stuffs here, hehehe

actually, let me try to do the money part myself here, I think I might be able to do it by gathering some info from sinclaire

nvm, sinclaire edits money at the wrong timing lmao, it uses the payout screen so it don't work the same

hmm, maybe I can check the yellow paint page!

oh, ok, I can just put "dollars" in the return from before

neat

it works! I did it! :333 yaaaay

abdjavbj I wanna play with this jonker so bad rn, but I gotta code the resta the damn joker lmao

[night prism]

lol

[dusty river]

I'm almost done at least lol, just needa get that counter in and the negative tags

tho tbf, that's also the hardest to make part of the whole joker lol

[night prism]

in the middle of exporting rn

[dusty river]

Ooooo!

[night prism]

still not finished, but this can be a demo for now

also it's already over 3 minutes long

[dusty river]

awesome lol

[night prism]

so i think i will get a similar length as the main theme in the end

[static finch]

hell yeah

[dusty river]

we should probs put in the new art at some point lol

I uh, I got a gaster in my shop? whilst holding gaster?

I don't have showman or anything lol

wierd

[static finch]

gaster does not care for the rules

[night prism]

I still need to fix the transition at the end and change the mix of the middle section a bit too

[dusty river]

this is FIRE omg, I have it playing whilst in balatro and I can FEEL it

[night prism]

this is even more intense than the exotic theme lol

[static finch]

the exotic theme got annoying ngl

this is just a bop

[dusty river]

I honestly think Primordial/Unbound/ERROR + any other HyperPowerful rarity can use this
at least for now, cuz ommomgnon

[night prism]

the middle section as a similar vibe

[static finch]

eh, i wouldn't say so

[night prism]

pretty breackorey

[static finch]

yeah

[night prism]

though the exotic one is a bit less

[static finch]

but i wouldn't call the exotic theme breakcore

[night prism]

no way

they didn't even resample anything

they just slapped the amen break there

[static finch]

the who

[night prism]

the base of all breackore

the same drum loop that all songs sample

[static finch]

Clueless~1

parodn my ignorance

[night prism]

why is it called breackcore then?

it comes from that

[static finch]

nevermind i just got definitions mixed up

[night prism]

but in breackore the point is that the loop is resampled so much that's unrecognisable

a lot of modern breackcore kinda leans back on it

just keeping it simple

[night prism]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kk2Cq1dgKHY listen to this

if you want to see what i mean

also it's peak music

[static finch]

peek

nikopeek

[night prism]

yeah yeah

[static finch]

get niko'd

[night prism]

the second half of this song is crazy

the drums are all over the place, like they are meant to be

[dusty river]

sadfaeasdfsfsefs WHY DON'T DISCORD HAVE A LOOP FUNCTION? I WANNA PUT THIS SHIT ON REPEAT 🔥

[night prism]

i'd do something like that for the music if i was capable

this style is very different to what i usually write

[night prism]

download it lol

though for now there are 30 seconds of silence at the end lol

all the reverb from the cymbals

[static finch]

to be fair, i don't like this too much

[night prism]

fair

[static finch]

i find it pretty simple on the "anything but drums" side

[night prism]

indeed

[static finch]

just cut it

[night prism]

though that's kinda the point

[night prism]

no shit

[static finch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rp8uQzSXXRc

here.

[static finch]

call me watson

cause i don't smoke like sherlock

[night prism]

i was just using it as an example

[static finch]

fair enough

for that it's great

[static finch]

this is my example

of musical order in chaos

[night prism]

this just annoying imo

[static finch]

rip

[night prism]

not much chaos if u ask me

[static finch]

i personally find a lot of camellia songs absolute peak

[night prism]

pretty straight forwad song

[static finch]

i doubt you listened to all of it

[dusty river]

got double gasters and a pride flag, lets goooo

[static finch]

even then, there's always parallel universe shifter

[static finch]

gayass

[dusty river]

trying to switch to a wild card build

[static finch]

BruhCat~1

[night prism]

i did

i like that it changes vibe a lot from section to section

[static finch]

...it's 5 minutes

and this has been 4 minutes

since i sent it

[night prism]

good music that requires a lot of skill to make, but not my thing

[static finch]

nikosidewaysvectorized

[night prism]

i listened to almost all of it

[static finch]

well regardless

[night prism]

i got the vibe

[static finch]

i said all not almost

so liar

well jokes aside

i should get thinking of that candybox unbound

[night prism]

if @dusty river give me editing rights i may add some jokers

[static finch]

why're these black?

[static finch]

it would be great

[night prism]

also, how do you feel about hollow knight planars @dusty river ?

i love that game but idk about you

[static finch]

uuh

why the hell do i only have commenting perms

[night prism]

lol

[dusty river]

SORRyTY

[night prism]

she fired you

[dusty river]

I kinda had a mental breakdown yesterday and did that in the middle of it lol

uuuh

[static finch]

why

i just don't get it

[dusty river]

let me restore those lmao

[static finch]

uwusplosion

[static finch]

explode

kindly

i hope you slip with your dear prism in hand and it lands on the tip

then the glass shards get lodged everywhere in your skin and it hurts to walk

[dusty river]

(I was feeling stressed about a lot of stuff and was thinking about, like, idk, like the timer mechanics and stuff idk, my brains was all goopy)

[night prism]

what did i do?

[dusty river]

u can have editing perms lol
both y'all

[static finch]

exist

[static finch]

you know

[night prism]

3rd grade called

[static finch]

i actually think asking you would make it make even less sense

[static finch]

they need me for a job

[dusty river]

you're both back in

well, gulag's in for the first time, but

[static finch]

first time for everyone

[static finch]

@dusty river

[night prism]

@static finch go code boykisser

we need to defeat the competition

[static finch]

truth but

i got lunch in 20 mins

[night prism]

fair

so do i actually

[static finch]

death~1

[dusty river]

ah, yes, another part of my mental breakdown, lmao
these were the ones that I thought needed severe remaking or outright removal, but... yeah

[static finch]

aww thanks

if i marked what i thought worthless or unnecessary i'd get at least 10 in :3

[dusty river]

oh, wow, what would you mark with that, cat?

[static finch]

NIKOKYS

[dusty river]

cat is electicity

[static finch]

not a cat is kindly asking you to END THYSELF

[dusty river]

fur got too much rubbed on the carpet
static shock

[static finch]

so like, i'd shoot almost all of these

and these

[dusty river]

are you... are you joking, or

[static finch]

and these

[dusty river]

ok, oddly specific is a fair one tho lol, I get that one

[static finch]

and all music cards

[dusty river]

you just hate gay people

[static finch]

no i hate lesbians

and these

[static finch]

i am dead serious

[dusty river]

sappho smite thee

[static finch]

but i would never

[static finch]

mate if i get any sort of power i'll blow up greece so the eu stops sucking ass on the economic side of things

so anyway, i think music cards are pretty unecessary

[dusty river]

could u go more in depth on these lol, I'm not sure what's wrong w them tbh
like, headless was litteraly made to be as much of a "base game" feeling joker as possible whilst adding synergy to the "No Face Cards" build

[static finch]

if you don't go for face cards you usually don't want them

the app jokers are super situational imo

except steam and git

melody ties into the music cards being not necessary

allison is kinda crap considering there's like, 4 slarpg jokers

jodie is uh

something i guess

i'd shoot the stone part and get more +mult

and claire is just weird imo

you got so many ways to get paint

and it doesn't tie into much

ryo is the same for music cards again

why does laios have that hyperspecific xmult

also super slow scaling

if it was scored cards of the type i'd get it

but no

transformed specifically

there is no counterpart to falin and a lotta stuff like spades more

so why just light suits

and mina is ULTRA useless as primers are rare anyway

but hey that's just a lotta theories

a lotta JIMBO THEORIES

[dusty river]

I'm starting to understand why cryptid has a team of people to say if ideas are good enough now

[static finch]

yeah truth

though i may have gone overboard with the VS stuff

do you think any of those is hyperspecific?

[dusty river]

I honestly think most of the VS stuff was fine, tho I hadn't checked since we've added pugnala and poe into the game

[static finch]

bruh

well go check

cause in my modest opinion i didn't exactly make a lot of "why would i ever pick that" jokers

at most they tie in a specific playstyle which i considered

[night prism]

should there be an in-game way of telling which jokers are planar?

[static finch]

but they aren't anti-synergystic

[static finch]

there should, yes

i think

like the extra tags on jen's

[dusty river]

tbf, tho, you are a single player and have stated that you never use straights and just said that you think spades should be prioritized because they're better

[night prism]

how do they work?

[static finch]

some specific jokers just get tags specifying things

like if it's immutable

[static finch]

i said they usually do

[night prism]

i guess we can just add a badge

[static finch]

and i never play striaghts, yes

[dusty river]

yes, like "primer" on sigma, or perhaps like the "dark suits" clarifier on paperback

[static finch]

but what does that have to do with anything

[static finch]

yeah

[night prism]

no need to specify planar, just the source material

[static finch]

i don't see any of your jokers being tailored to straights either

except straight kate

but it's saveable cause it's vanilla-like and it's the whole point

[night prism]

or we can do it like cryptid, were it rotates between artist, coder and idea

[dusty river]

you made a whole new hand type to replace straights
and you just said that a joker was bad because it was 2 suits you didn't like using

[static finch]

i shot that

and also i meant that the one light suit specific joker should have a counterpart

[static finch]

i guess yeah

tho uh

that's not for rarities that's just credits

is it not

[night prism]

yes

but we can make it whatever we want

[dusty river]

we should do the credits thing too tbh

[static finch]

truth

[night prism]

planar is not a rarity anyway

[static finch]

"code: you know already"

[night prism]

dunno

if it's just us

maybe for the art yeah

[static finch]

yeah

[dusty river]

mm yeah, i guess

[static finch]

anyway, @night prism i want a second opinion

[night prism]

we can do it like cryptid again

[night prism]

just replace the mod badge

[static finch]

go look through the sheet and tell us which jokers you think are worthless/could be fixed or just don't need to exist

[night prism]

sure

[static finch]

aye thanks

[night prism]

this feels a bit harsh lol

but i'll do it

[static finch]

cause i don't like getting put on a blacklist like i'm an italian writer in the 1600s

[static finch]

i mean i didn't say to hold back on me did i

[dusty river]

lksld you have like 1/10th the ideas I have

[night prism]

i don't know who added the jokers anyway

so no bias could be possible

[static finch]

...quantity < quality

[dusty river]

don't worry, you will, milo has terrible formatting

[static finch]

and this is why jen's sucks

lolz

[static finch]

kill thyself

[night prism]

real

[static finch]

also, i may have terrible formatting but you literally forgot a whole then

and commas

and ends

and i have an excuse

you don't

[night prism]

what's the point of this?

other than the plant

[static finch]

inverse pariedolia?

[night prism]

but why

[static finch]

i saw that one before

[night prism]

it's useless

[static finch]

also railgun's

HAHA

[dusty river]

look one joker up

[night prism]

i like that one

[static finch]

original

indeed

[dusty river]

it combos, and I made it to combo
I knew it wasn't gonna be as useful as paredolia, which is why I made it common

[static finch]

yeah but

one joker

out of a 300 something ignoring basegame

[night prism]

pareodolia is already a pretty weak joker

[static finch]

whcih has ONE synergy

[dusty river]

at least 2

[static finch]

ride the bus sucks

[dusty river]

headless joker, which you called dumb

and ride the bus too

so 3

[static finch]

yeah but who is actually gonna use those all run

[night prism]

to little synergy

[static finch]

and not replace them

3 outta 450 something is super weak

also hyena just works best with abandoned deck

[night prism]

paredolia has over 10 jokers that sinegize and it's already weak

[static finch]

already

so what's the point

[night prism]

fair i think

i like abandoned

[mossy jay]

this post was created less than 1 month ago how did it manage to get twice the amount of messages as the paperback post

[night prism]

because we use it as a dev chat lol

[static finch]

it's called autistic rambling

which i am good at

[night prism]

we discuss all the stuff here

[static finch]

we stuff the stuff

[night prism]

true

[static finch]

stuff

oh

idea

stuff joker

ImStuff

(this guy)

+10 chips for every joker and consumable you hold

common

howzit

[night prism]

pretty basic

[dusty river]

I need a fucking break sandjknf

[static finch]

i know

[night prism]

we need more interesting common idea imo

[static finch]

figures

if you tore my jokers to shreds i'd appreciate it

[night prism]

most of the commons are petty basic rn

[static finch]

yeah but

common = basic

usually

do you need a hyperspecific joker 2?

[night prism]

basic though can still have a lot of synergy

[dusty river]

yeah, that's why we need to remove simian takeover right?

[night prism]

there's a different between basic as simple design

[static finch]

yes.

[static finch]

and basic and malleable yes yes

[night prism]

and basic as no brain gameplay

[static finch]

but it's supposed to be one of those early game jokers

[night prism]

i'm not against it

[static finch]

70 chips at most for when you get stuff early game

and then you get rid of it

or multiply it's values/get a lotta negatives/both

[night prism]

just saying we should prioritize more interesting ideas

[static finch]

to make it real good

imo

[night prism]

we can add it later

[static finch]

fair enough

do i add it to the sheet or?

if i don't now i'll probably forget

[night prism]

tbf you don't fill you jokers slot before ante 3 most of the time

[static finch]

yeah i know but my modpack is a mess

and i don't play like that usually

so i have bias but it still fits a playstyle, i think

[night prism]

we can put it on the sheet for now

but we can wait before coding it

[static finch]

eh fair enough

trust me i'm the best at procrastinating

@dusty river why did i lose perms again

[night prism]

those confuse me a bit

[static finch]

omfg

[static finch]

i guess total chips before multiplication?

[night prism]

i guess too

they are pretty strong

also because they start painted

[static finch]

yeah it's almost guaranteed they get mult

[night prism]

i'd make it +1 mult

and maybe start at 7 or 8

[static finch]

mh make sense to me

[night prism]

rn they are better onyx agate, which is fine

[dusty river]

I'm sorry... I can't... I can't fucking deal with this shit... I just can't
I came here to have fun, I came here to make a mod I can be proud of and happy of, and... I feel like we're doing good right now, but...

[night prism]

because that's uncommon

[static finch]

alright don't tell me you can't handle criticism

cause i am a critic and an annoying one at that (shocker)

but it's not like you can't tell me if my ideas suck

[dusty river]

it's not that I can't take it

it's that I can't deal it

every, fucking, time

[static finch]

WELL DO

I'M WAITING TO GET MY IDEAS TORN TO SHREDS

AND THEN THROWN IN A BLENDER

[dusty river]

if I put out critique, nothing changes, I told gauss his idea for the useless art card was dumb then he never updated the damn thing, and I've seen you do the same, albeit, you did end up fixing them days later

[static finch]

i am just forgetful

i care don't you worry

and gauss had exams and probably forgot about it too

[dusty river]

idk, I just... people make me feel like a terrible person whenever I say anything that could be considered an attack towards someone

[static finch]

if i didn't wanna do it i'd outright tell you

[static finch]

well don't

don't think i'll be like that

i'm telling you to use my stupid references as punchng bags ffs

i know nothing i make is perfect

and most isn't even good

[dusty river]

ok, I'll let you all back in
but I'll start being more strict here I think, maybe...

[static finch]

but i am waiting for someone to tell me it fucking blows and that moment never comes

[static finch]

how so?

[dusty river]

I deleted the ones in black, for starters, no timer mechanics in the mod, no please this time, that's a fucking order
if you wanna make a side mod for that shit, go ahead

[static finch]

i'd argue it wasn't a timer mechanic

also you could've just given me a chance to back those up

boykisserfrown~1

also also, what did PA do

it's not a timer mechanic

by the way, i'd appreciate justification for deleting my stuff before you do it, kindly

[dusty river]

it's not about the "timer mechanic" specifically, it's about both hard to read or understand mechanics, and mechanics that are extremely unreliable, the reason random chances are fine is because they can be manipulated easily through in game means, as someone I talked to irl put it, the "time of day" jokers are anti quality of life

[static finch]

okay but PA doesn't fit in that category does it

it was just an excuse to remove a suit from the deck for Xmult

and i made the activation flavorful instead of just "when played hearts get destroyed" or something

[dusty river]

it does, how is a player supposed to know when the music's gonna change without a fuck ton of play time?, I mean, hell, I couldn't even tell you all the stuff that makes the music change, boss blind and booster packs I think? maybe? but if that's the case, then just say that

"When boss blind is selected or when opening a booster pack" that's the wording, that is clear wording

[static finch]

yes but it'd be inaccurate

also, YOU HAVE EARS?

this is LITERALLY tonedeaf

you can HEAR the damn thing change when you open a booster and when you get back to the shop

for example

[dusty river]

how so would it be?

[dusty river]

also, i'd notice it AFTER it happened

[static finch]

it's literally WHEN MUSIC CHANGES not when a non-main theme track plays

[static finch]

YOU CAN READ THE DESCRIPTION?

NO?

this criticism is literally an excuse for "i don't like the idea"

just say that

[night prism]

this probably can't be coded anyway

[dusty river]

but like, how tf would a player go "Oh sweet, I can get x1.5 xmult by the end of this ante"

you can't math that shit, you just can't

[night prism]

i don't think there's an easy way of checking when the music changes

[static finch]

aw shite

[night prism]

why not?

[dusty river]

it'd be like if a mtg card had text that said "Whenever a player makes a decision" what the fuck does that mean? a 1 out of 3 choice? a card play?

all of the above?

idk

[static finch]

if you don't have the capacity to GO AND LOOK AT THE CLEARLY LAID OUT TABLE TELLING YOU HOW MANY HEARTS YOU HAVE

then what can i do about it

[night prism]

i realy don't get what you mean

[static finch]

yeah just say you'd never use it cause you don't wanna read

or listen

and it's fine

you know

[night prism]

this seams easy enough to understand to me

[dusty river]

tell, me, by the end of the 2nd ante from the start of the run, how many times will the music change on average?

[static finch]

but making a point out of nothing is stupid and isn't even destructive criticism, it's just obtuse

[night prism]

i dislike the idea anyway, but i don't get you criticism

[static finch]

it's gonna change a guaranteed 4 times

[dusty river]

this should not be a hard question for a joker's text

[static finch]

from bosses and the shop

add 2 for the main theme

2 more for any booster packs

[night prism]

well, around 5 probably

3 shops, one boss

and a few boosters

it's a bit unclear

[static finch]

okay, i could phrase it better but still

[night prism]

beacuse a booster should be 2 changes actually

[dusty river]

I just... I just don't fucking like it, ok
can I just, say that?

[static finch]

how can't you hear the music

[static finch]

JUST FUCKING SAY THAT

YES

[night prism]

i agree with this

[static finch]

well anyway, boring concept shall ensue

considering it's impossible to code as you said

[night prism]

it's a bit weird as an effect

[static finch]

i would've liked it to be

but eh

[dusty river]

like, instead of "when music changes" just put whatever would make the music change

[static finch]

what about other mods that add more ways to change the music

[night prism]

you talked about mtg, this is kinda funny because i could see a similar effect in an mtg unset

[static finch]

it'd work on the exotic theme, hypothetically

[dusty river]

are we gonna fucking gatekeep deaf people? or people who listen to other music while they play the game muted?

[night prism]

i'd just scrap the idea

[static finch]

am i supposed to list something that could not exist even

[static finch]

okay those are THE edge cases

well guess we can't make films anymore

gonna gatekeep the blind people

whoops

oh wait

[dusty river]

new joker idea: The Ear: Uncommon
x2.5 mult, instantly lose run if deaf

[static finch]

no music too

the deaf people would be sad

OH WAIT

[night prism]

tbf you don't need to ear the music to know when it changes

[static finch]

let's not eat anymore, people without taste would be SAAAD

[night prism]

but i agree it's a bit weird

[static finch]

YOU SEE HOW EVEN DUMBER THIS POINT IS?

[dusty river]

and I'm fucking autistic and can't deal with stress, should I take down the whole ass mod?

[static finch]

not a life or death decision, also sounds like a boss blind lolz

[dusty river]

no

[static finch]

maybe :3

[night prism]

ideally you would just add accessibility options

like colorblind mode

[static finch]

best take out of both of us

[night prism]

or stuff like that

[static finch]

and no you're not in the both

that's the point

[static finch]

well wouldn't paints have their color in the little sticker tag there

[night prism]

you can hover them and see the name

[dusty river]

I'M THE ACCESABILITY
I LISTEN TO MUSIC OFF OF BALATRO BECAUSE IF I DON'T I HEAR MY PARENTS TALKING TRANSPHOBIA AND RACISM AND SHIT AND IT MAKES ME WANNA BASH MY HEAD AGAINST A WALL

U HAPPY?

[night prism]

same with seals

[dusty river]

THERE'S YOUR FUCKING REASON

[night prism]

the look the same other than color

[static finch]

WHAT CAN I DO ABOUT THAT

AM I SUPPOSED TO KNOW THE FUCKING ARCANE TO MAKE MY MOD?

MAYBE I UPSET CTHULHU MAKING FUCKIN MCOYONI

[static finch]

yeah

my point

[night prism]

i don't get what this discussion is even about

[static finch]

so colorblind mode is pretty useless

[dusty river]

do you guys want editor privliges or not?

[static finch]

making ultra idiotic points and getting away with it

[static finch]

ah classic

[night prism]

looking at them is easier than reading

[dusty river]

so far gulag's been shown to be good

[static finch]

..and i haven't?

criticism isn't perfect either

[dusty river]

I'm fucking tired alright

[night prism]

i did nothing lol

[static finch]

i love hypocrisy

[dusty river]

you're the one who said I could be stricter and shit, which direction you want?

[night prism]

if being good is just standing here then fine

[static finch]

i did not say that

i said say criticism

not be stricter

and this isn't stricter this is just being angsty for no reason

[dusty river]

my soul has been dying

[static finch]

and specifically deleting stuff without asking which I asked you not to do

[night prism]

i feel the issue goes deeper than this mod here

[static finch]

indeed it does

[dusty river]

when I said I cannot deal with this shit rn, I meant it

[night prism]

maybe we should take a break

[static finch]

but hey I can't consult my lacking omnipotence to know what

[static finch]

...why are you then

[dusty river]

it does, my brain has always been all or nothing because anything else causes pain

[static finch]

just don't

[dusty river]

like this

I stood up

and I get this

if I had just not said shit

and let u add whatever the fuck you wanted

let my soul be crushed

we'd be moving on fine, rn

but instead, everything's gonna come crumbling down

[static finch]

you misunderstood what I asked you

I think

is it just me or that wasn't proper constructive criticism?

[night prism]

i'm trying to be helpful here, i don't know you so i'm not sure what i can do

[static finch]

did I flip the fuck out when I told you I don't like your ideas?

[dusty river]

#1353027212772769792 message

[static finch]

wow that's not what I wanted

[dusty river]

I have immense mental issues

[static finch]

can't open this rn as ancient discord version

[dusty river]

it's a link to something I said like 5 secs ago

a responce to gulag

[static finch]

you know I figured

but I don't see why you'd blow up all of a sudden

if you want my unprofessional opinion

[dusty river]

gulag: "I feel like this goes farther than the mod"
me: "it does, my brain has always been all or nothing because anything else causes pain"

[static finch]

you just exploded at everything in one single thing

[static finch]

ah okay

makes sense

[dusty river]

like, you know, what's happening right now

[static finch]

there must be some root for all of this

anguish

[dusty river]

this is why I lie down like a dog

at any moment, any reason

[static finch]

cat better :3

well jokes aside

just say you don't like something

not all this rhetoric about nothing

[dusty river]

I have, and I did

and the timer mechanics stayed

[static finch]

well they won't remain now

well I got a better idea, just making the time the song's release year

[dusty river]

I... I FUCKING SAID THAT TO BEGIN WITH

[static finch]

did you?

I don't remember it

[dusty river]

WHEN WE FIRST FUCKING TALKED ABOUT THIS

[night prism]

i get you, i just feel you are projecting all of this were it does not need to be. I'm not faulting you for it though, i did the same many times

[static finch]

gulag always speaking absolute facts no matter what it is about

respect

[night prism]

this whole discussion is just unproductive

[static finch]

common gulag W

[dusty river]

I know, but you know, where else can you go when the world hates you and everything including the things you love feel like they're falling apart?

[static finch]

GO IN MY FUCKING DMS GOD DAMMIT

JUST NOT HERE

[dusty river]

my mind isn't in well condition, and hasn't for a long time

[static finch]

I guess I am outrunning psychopathy just by rationalizing everything then

[night prism]

this sadly something we can do little about

[dusty river]

I know

[static finch]

trust me I'd be there for you irl if I could

but I'd like not to spill this stuff here

where it definitely doesn't belong

[static finch]

this sadly is* :3

[night prism]

it's fine for u to search comfort here, but i feel this was not the best way

i'll be happy to give it to you if i can

[static finch]

it's just gonna make you feel worse after

[static finch]

wow I read that wrong

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1181882990666731560.png?v=1&size=48&quality=lossless

[night prism]

please not rn

[static finch]

it's uh

true tho

well regardless

of my crappy slapstick comedy

I already told you so many times and will reiterate

[dusty river]

it wasn't rational, and I get that, I just felt kinda hopeless, not just in life, but in this mod
things felt like they were falling apart a bit and no one was listening to me

[static finch]

if you need to vent just tell me

[static finch]

you're not holding it up singlehandedly

[night prism]

i get you, as i said, i'm not faulting you

this stuff is hard to deal with

[static finch]

also, for 2 time based jokers and 1 unclear effect?

hell

[dusty river]

lmao, that's true lol

[static finch]

I don't get you, I won't pretend I do

but just

comment on them like you did the rest

and I'll find a way to fix it

or ask you all

this is like dropping a nuke in response to a single murder

[dusty river]

I need to back away for a bit and breath I think, lol
just, get my brain back in control here

[static finch]

you should

[night prism]

i think the mod is doing great

[dusty river]

accurate portrayal of zionists

[night prism]

this is what i meant earlier by taking a break

[static finch]

yeah

[night prism]

also real

[static finch]

but

we all got carried away

[static finch]

so real

[night prism]

for sure

[static finch]

but I like Zion national park

there's Joshua there

he's peak

[night prism]

you to milo were not helping here imo

[static finch]

where did I exclude myself?

[night prism]

you didn't

[static finch]

i just can't ignore controversies

[night prism]

never implied you did

[static finch]

so why single me out

I don't get it

[night prism]

i already told her what i think about what she did

[static finch]

well tell me how much I suck then

I'm waiting for my share

[night prism]

i know what i think about me

so you were the only one left

[night prism]

just be more chill

[static finch]

yeah but unless you were going to follow it up with why

I already know what I did wrong

[static finch]

I live on borrowed hatred

[night prism]

that's the issue

don't

[static finch]

well, can't do much about it

[night prism]

fair

[static finch]

can you restructure yourself on a whim?

i doubt it

[night prism]

obviously not, but you can try

in general

not just this issue

[static finch]

instead of closing myself in like railgun I just tend to explode too but I know that

[static finch]

I just had to prove my point

don't think that's not relatable

[night prism]

anyway, i just hope it's clear that there are no negative feeling towards each other here

[static finch]

no no

why would there be

[dusty river]

<3 thank y'all

[night prism]

because i don't want to turn this personal

[static finch]

:3

[static finch]

you're the least personally involved in the argument tho

[night prism]

i know

[static finch]

bruh

[night prism]

but i care about u two too

[static finch]

aww :3

I can't shake off the feeling this is a time of crises somewhere else

[night prism]

maybe this is not the discussion to have on a public chat though lol

[dusty river]

put up a gaster commit :3
albiet, half-finished lol, still missing the negative tags, probably the most important part

[dusty river]

we should start a group chat lmao

[static finch]

..like the other 50% here were

[night prism]

yeah lol

[static finch]

no no

keep this thread at the top so people come here complaining

forget

then remember this mod exists when we release it

[night prism]

true

[static finch]

I'm smart ik

[night prism]

there are 25 people here already

[dusty river]

lmao, "oh hey, that mod by that mentally ill trans woman finally released, neat!"

[static finch]

"oh hey the annoying yapper creature made a mod let's hate on it and give it free publicity"

[night prism]

don't forget the mentally ill gay furry

[static finch]

explode

I am better than that

annoying mentally ill gay furry*

[night prism]

and the slightly less mentally ill other one

[static finch]

"I'm broken"

[dusty river]

annoying mentally ill bisexual furry, if I recall

[night prism]

i said slightly

[static finch]

demi

[static finch]

I'M WORSE THAN YOU?

that's an affront (jk)

[dusty river]

annoying mentally ill demisexual furry

[night prism]

you said that

i believe you

[static finch]

you forgot enby too

actually all of us did

[static finch]

"I can't believe you on the IQ part"

wait that was railgun actually

nvm

[night prism]

lol

[static finch]

yes I do have a mental book of grudges for everyone

don't question me

[static finch]

(you're in the clear btw)

[night prism]

all the space in you brain is dedicated to vs and gayness

fair

[static finch]

I am a dwarf

I need a book of grudges

[dusty river]

you are a gnome

[night prism]

but are u digging a hole?

[static finch]

I REFUSE TO BE A LEAF LOVER

[static finch]

wind rose

said rock and stone

[night prism]

i must go back playing dwarf fortress

didn't touch that game in a while

[static finch]

I was talking about drg

[night prism]

i know

[static finch]

I tried

guess what

JUST GUESS

[night prism]

too blind

[static finch]

indeed precisely

RimWorld has good UI scaling at least

[night prism]

well, you did not try the ascii version at least

[dusty river]

dwarf rortress gortress

[static finch]

that would have killed me

[static finch]

you meant space capitalism simulator with beer

[night prism]

death by ascii

[static finch]

death by recurring patterns that make my mind bleed

[night prism]

dwarf fortress is fantasy communism simulator

way better

[static finch]

I know

and RimWorld is anarchy sim

[night prism]

real

[static finch]

my library says I'm anarcho-communist

then

[night prism]

real x2

[dusty river]

lever stopped working :<

[night prism]

well, i guess i'll be doing hollow knight planars, if railgun is ok with that

[night prism]

how?

[dusty river]

go for it

[dusty river]

the tweak when applied just doesn't work, it's not increasing the jonker values

[night prism]

weird

[static finch]

i'd love if railgun did something with all the criticism I gave before but one can only hope

[dusty river]

my problem will rarely ever be that of theming, unless it's, like, a theme that I put in my own joker that someone else misinterpreted in art or something
my problems will mostly be for effect based things

[dusty river]

if you wouldn't mind, can you comment those on the sheet? I think it'd be easier to track that way

[static finch]

true

I will

but I am eating rn

[dusty river]

kay 👍

[night prism]

i'm not sure what's going on

it seams like the calculate function is not being called at all

ok, it's being called

but for some reason it does not work

[static finch]

huh

gl

[night prism]

ok, the issue is that for some reason context.reroll_shop is not there

it is not inside the context

even when you reroll

let me try a few things

[dusty river]

something must've changed, right? cuz it was working a couple commits back

[night prism]

maybe updating talisman broke it

we both updated it for entropy

ok, it works without cryptid and entropy

so one it's probably entropy

it may be experimental cryptid too

[dusty river]

hmmm, well, whichever one it is has to be one that's messing with the reroll stuff, right?

[night prism]

yes

[dusty river]

it was crustulum, wasn't it? I fucking hate crustulum (lmao)

[night prism]

pretty sure it's enropy

it work with cryptid

[dusty river]

oh, huh

wonder what in entropy is causing the issue?

[static finch]

I love cake

[night prism]

weird

flash card works with entropy, but lever does not

[static finch]

we gotta ping ruby?

[night prism]

probably

ask them what the cause may be

because i have no idea

@minor oracle context.reroll_shop seams to not work on stickers with entropy

[minor oracle]

not work how

[night prism]

it is always nil

even when rerolling

[minor oracle]

i am messing with shop rerolling but that shouldnt happen still

[night prism]

it works on jokers

just not stickers

[minor oracle]

thats really strange

[night prism]

it's definitely entropy because turning it off fixes the issue

[minor oracle]

its probably the invariant sticker but i doubt it would be only for stickers

[night prism]

no idea

@dusty river can u confirm it works for u without entropy too?

[minor oracle]

i know why actually

its cause of invariant

[night prism]

why?

[minor oracle]

im hooking into reroll_shop because i need to do a lot of shenanigans and i replaced some of the code accidentally with the vanilla implementation instead of the smods one

[static finch]

bruh

[night prism]

lol

[static finch]

well go fix it, chop chop

[night prism]

yeah i assumed it was something like that

[minor oracle]

this actually means that vanilla wouldnt let you have stickers that do stuff when rerolling shops if for some reason thunk ever did that

[night prism]

do vanilla stickers even use calculate?

[minor oracle]

prob not

[night prism]

yeah, so no need for context

for every copy of what?

[static finch]

dammit

i forgot to type of itself

[night prism]

of the card or the joker?

i'm assuming the cards

[dusty river]

Space Dude I think

[night prism]

how do you get copies of it though?

[dusty river]

milo would know better here I thinks
I assume Space Dude cuz the old description insinuated that I think

[static finch]

yeah

[static finch]

just, literally copying it

ankh

[night prism]

that seams very niche

[static finch]

riftraft

i guess

[static finch]

yes but

every space dude retriggers itself by it's retriggers

[night prism]

this is true

[static finch]

so it would scale ultra fast if you can dupe it

also, blueprint would still retrigger one

without counting as it but still

[night prism]

maybe add a reminder text

[static finch]

super good

[static finch]

how so?

[night prism]

bacuse it's unlear rn

[dusty river]

I think, maybe, add blueprint or brainstorm into it's condition maybe?
that way, when you get it, at least it has 1 effect that can trigger it

[static finch]

mh

makes sense but is it feasible to code

[night prism]

"doubles for every consecutive space dude activated"

[night prism]

yes, it is

[static finch]

aight

[night prism]

it's a bit different like this

[static finch]

that'd be confusing to visualize

imo

[night prism]

you say so, rn it's not obvious that each space dude retriggers the others

even though it's normal

[static finch]

it is

indeed

check now?

if not you make it, i don't see a clear way to convey the effect tbh

[night prism]

i think this is fine

though it's weird that the cap is at 5

not a power of 2

[static finch]

you wanna go in retrigger hell?

i got boxten for that one

[night prism]

cap it at 4

[static finch]

hm

okay

done

but wait

[night prism]

this is insane if you get a few copies

[static finch]

no okay nvm

[night prism]

i like it

[static finch]

i misread my own description

Clueless~1

[static finch]

ikr

that's why it's a primordial

[night prism]

i have a few hk ideas

gotta put them in the sheet

[static finch]

hell yeah

surprise us

[night prism]

i'm thinkng about artifact related effects

though i'm not sure how to balance them

[static finch]

the balance comes partly from how you get them to spawn in the first place

in theory they should cater exclusively to obscure or weird playstyles

[night prism]

this is not an artifact

[static finch]

then

i dunno :3

[night prism]

but a joker that has synegy with them

[static finch]

oh

interesting

[dusty river]

hmmm, well-

[night prism]

maybe making them easier to get

[dusty river]

I think, saying as they require conditions, and are as rare as uncommon to find once u activate said conditions-

I think balance-wise they'd go somewhere inbetween rare and legendary, when you're thinking of balancing effects

[night prism]

how do i add a line break to sheets lol

it just confirm the addition

[dusty river]

control+enter

[static finch]

i use alt

Clueless~1

[night prism]

thank you

[dusty river]

it confused me too lol
literally every other app uses shift+enter

[night prism]

yeah

[static finch]

leave it to google to screw it up

[night prism]

why do we have two columns for the source material for planars?

[dusty river]

I need to fix that lol

the other one isn't for planarness

it's for art refrencing

but

not nessary to have the game's og material, if they have it right next to their face lol

[dusty river]

gotta go soon btw
I'll be gone in an hour

off to dentist

[night prism]

i think i'll code the planar badges now

i added 3 jokers to the sheet btw

[static finch]

hello jimbo adventure/graffiti

[night prism]

revo already added a badge to sigma, good

[night prism]

totally forgot that existed lol

[night prism]

I need and effect that gives traveling vibes

[dusty river]

What about getting money on skip?

[night prism]

money is not really thematic imo

though i guess cornifer sells the maps

so he gains money

[dusty river]

I'm on my phone rn lmao, can't type well lol

[static finch]

skill issue

[dusty river]

Maybe a more specific tag? Like, what if, on skip, you had an uncommon tag, or a chance for one?

[night prism]

maybe

do you think lemm is fine for artifacts?

i think it's balanced

getting many copies of artifacts can be pretty strong

[dusty river]

I can't check sheets from here lol

[static finch]

yeah i think it is

[static finch]

but it depends on what you get

[dusty river]

OK, so, it'd be fine IF you had to refill the condition

[night prism]

obviously

after you do they appear more

[dusty river]

This is giving me ideas for jonkers hehehe

Ghdjdjdh I CANT GET ON SHEETS THO SJDJDHHD

(Do u know how hard it is to keysmash on mobilelmao)

[night prism]

are we making the various planar types different colors, i mean the badge

?

[dusty river]

Hmmm, sure

Sounds fun

[night prism]

tell me the colors

we can have them change color over time too

[dusty river]

Undertale would be darkish purple
Ultrakill would be red
Vampire survivors would be a darker red
I cannot type fast rn lmao

Probably could have some color animations too like u said

As well

[static finch]

VS is red and gold

[night prism]

hk probably gray or dark blue

[dusty river]

Also, I think it'd be good for them to either switch back and forth like cryptid credits with planar and whatever plane they from

[night prism]

noita also should be purple probably

[night prism]

i thought that, though i'd need to code that

[dusty river]

Noita is gold purple red in some animation of sorts

[night prism]

by default they don't

[dusty river]

Or we could do something like

[night prism]

i can animate between 2 colors at most

i think

[dusty river]

"Planar: Noita"

[night prism]

dunno

to long for some

like vs

"Planar: Vampire Survivors" seems pretty long

[dusty river]

Hmmm

[night prism]

fallout green or light blue

maybe blue and yellow

[dusty river]

Rads green to vault tech blue

[night prism]

exactly my thought process

[static finch]

amber cause only new vegas matters

[dusty river]

Slarpg would be lesbian colors

[night prism]

gungeon?

bullet color

i guess

[dusty river]

Bullet color

[static finch]

bullet = gold and grey

[static finch]

nobody can outsmart bullet

[dusty river]

I think just gold is good for gungeon probs