Resurgence (WIP) - Primordial Arts

[static finch]

HOLY SHIT

[night prism]

omg

[night prism]

what did you do?

[static finch]

it just printed a glitched

[night prism]

so, wich one?

[night prism]

oh, i missed that

[night prism]

what consumable are you coping?

[dusty river]

well, how many rolls do y'all make in a shop on regular you think? Let's say you had an eternal flash card

[static finch]

nothing good for now

[night prism]

you just need a pointer

[static finch]

flash card sucks ass, unrealistic

[static finch]

true

[static finch]

anyway, unless i got MONEY it's 1 or 2

[night prism]

not really

it's decent

red card is better though

[static finch]

i got riftraft so red card sucks ass 2

[night prism]

same

[dusty river]

alrighty so, then, I think 10% increase would be better

[night prism]

ok

[static finch]

yeah

[dusty river]

or I guess it'd be a x0.1 increase

with new wording

[night prism]

i'm coding it then

[static finch]

...here's what i dupe

[night prism]

ok, coding the linear increase is would require to totally change the way value manipulation works

[static finch]

now that's what i call free money

[night prism]

so for now, i'm keeping it exponential

[dusty river]

you guys have convinced me, I'm getting the entropy mod, was gonna wait till it was outta beta/alpha, but this mod seems way too cool lol

[static finch]

hey this one's new

[static finch]

it is

[night prism]

great art

revo should believe in himself more

[static finch]

@opaque oasis

real

[opaque oasis]

wha

[dusty river]

yeah, rev did great there

[opaque oasis]

it aint new

that old

[static finch]

oh hey

[static finch]

never seen it

[dusty river]

(also what do you guys think of my tree joker art )

[static finch]

Clueless~1

[static finch]

'tis good

[night prism]

peak

so for now lever, motherboard and rubber are implemented

[opaque oasis]

from Release 3.8.1a

[dusty river]

wha-

[night prism]

you can think of the localization

[dusty river]

I just opened new run lmao

[night prism]

weird

i'm adding popups to the consumables btw

for the tweaks

[static finch]

RIGHT AFTER I TURNED EVERYTHING TO SPADES.

FUCK YOU

[night prism]

lol

[static finch]

screw that pizza

[night prism]

also i did not consider that with equilibrium unactivated prismatics would show up

[static finch]

OH BOY

[static finch]

bruh

[night prism]

they dont' normally

but equilibrium does not care

[static finch]

...

[static finch]

it's the whole point

[night prism]

i know

i just forgot that both activated and unactivated ones can show up

[night prism]

great with rubber

[static finch]

great with chie.

it's literally MORE

[dusty river]

OMG THAT'S AWESOME

[night prism]

but chie is not one of our boys like rubber

[static finch]

burned

[static finch]

yes but

i played persona 4

[dusty river]

I think rev and marie should collab and make a mod that has 30 new Splash Printers

[static finch]

i'd simp for chie

i have bias

[static finch]

real

@opaque oasis

[opaque oasis]

i might've fucked up some things while commiting

again

[static finch]

hey look the funni

(tredecim sucks)

[opaque oasis]

dunno

[static finch]

TRANSMASC CHIE

[night prism]

lets go

[opaque oasis]

ok i did not fuck everything up

[night prism]

don't think trans does much there though

[static finch]

trans tags?

[night prism]

trans minor arcana

[static finch]

are you shore that does nothing

hell yeah

[night prism]

how?

[opaque oasis]

👍

[static finch]

rofl~1

[static finch]

^mult after all that?

they capped iterum? literally 1984

...

[night prism]

your pc is done

i'm sorry

[static finch]

HAH

it shall die with honor

oh god

[dusty river]

doing some testing, yeah, it is kinda sad that rubber aint working with madness style effects rn :< there's a really cool/funny synergy that should've worked just now too lol

[static finch]

ticking time bomb

[dusty river]

oh hey! it did save my joker from a gateway tho, that was nice :3

[static finch]

whelp, the run is dead

[night prism]

imma try to fix it

[static finch]

my fault

[night prism]

average cryptid experience

i think i need to update cryptid because it constantly crashes my game

[static finch]

nevermind

fixed it

[dusty river]

wait, I just realized something here, why can't you just
use the value you saved? for the "set to x0.5 base" effect of it?

just grab a x0.1 sized portion of that value and add it instead of multiply, no?

[night prism]

i thought so

but it's actually more complex

because when calling the function to increase the values i don't know which values will be affected

since it increases all of them

so i'd need to do it singularly for each value

[dusty river]

ahh, I see

[night prism]

wait though

let me see the code

because i added the possiblility to use a reference table for the values

so instead of using the actual values for the increase you can use the reference

let me se if i can do something with that

[static finch]

so anyway, run is truly dead now

[night prism]

i'd still need to change the code

but i'm not sure if i want

because the functionality would be different

so either we make a whole new func just for lever

or nothing

[static finch]

okay i almost did it but i had to cheat the win else it crashed

doe moment

[night prism]

you had to, clearly

[static finch]

Clueless~1

[dusty river]

well, to be fair, I don't think it's gonna end up being the only thing to use the "Change values from base" effect

[night prism]

i can maake a func just for that

it's gonna be almost identical

so i can just copy paste most of it

[dusty river]

infact, I think most augments would probs would

also

[dusty river]

idea here

tho I don't know much about lua

so it may make no sense

[dusty river]

but you could just add another var to the function that already exists, right? then, if that value is set to one, in goes from base, and another, it goes exponential?

[night prism]

i thought about that

This is a bit convoluted

[dusty river]

it did take me a little bit, but I understand this, I think

also, got a crash just now

[night prism]

my bad

should be fixed in the next commit

it works!!

[dusty river]

nice!

[night prism]

just committed

this should fix the crash too

[static finch]

smilegineer

you rn

[dusty river]

okey, I'm downlo9ading rn

[night prism]

fr

[static finch]

engineer's engihere

[night prism]

revo added the printers to the home menu

we will break that damn thing

[opaque oasis]

no

[night prism]

it breaks if there are to many thing on the screen

i tied it

[opaque oasis]

thats why im disabling it when using cryptid

[night prism]

fair

i'm not doing it

my pride does not allow it

[opaque oasis]

i dont want my shit to cause errors

or maybe i do

[night prism]

if anything i'm disabling the cryptid one

mine will be on top

[opaque oasis]

i took it from cryptid

i have no rights to disable cryptid's

[night prism]

you do

[night prism]

fair i guess

you could just replace the ace

[opaque oasis]

well

i am

[night prism]

cryptid does nothing to that

[opaque oasis]

but cryptid loads before me

and replaces my card

[night prism]

does cryptid actually replace it?

[opaque oasis]

ye

[night prism]

or it only adds the shader?

[opaque oasis]

idk

it seems

like

its

replacing

cause mine is not taking the ace's place

[night prism]

sad

[opaque oasis]

without cryptid it does though

i took the replace card from GARBSHIT

and adding the card from cryptid

thats why the sizes are off

i'll play arround with it a bit

[night prism]

size should be 1.32 times the base i think?

[opaque oasis]

i still no idea how to play arround with patches

i know how they work

but i cant edit

ok they're 'bout the same size now

[dusty river]

I uncovered a very interesting bug just now

if you swap one joker from having a Lever to having another tweak, all Levers on jokers stop working

at least, I think that's what happened here

the tweak I swapped it for was Rubber, if that means anything here

after adding a Lever tweak to a joker after this and then rerolling, this crash happened

I think I'mma try and get some loc done

[night prism]

i think i know the issue

[dusty river]

hmmm, I wonder what's going on

I thought you said "I don't think-" lol

[night prism]

essentially i'm a moron

i saved the original values inside the lever, not the joker

so this means that all the jokers with levers will have the same values

easy fix i think

[static finch]

FATTY, FATTY, NO PARENTS

[dusty river]

glados joker

[static finch]

if destroyed gives permanent upgrades?

[dusty river]

something related to Spades I'll say, maybe steel and/or holographic cards

destroying face cards is another easy one for idea concepting here

[static finch]

solving puzzles

[static finch]

also, yeah

[night prism]

fixed

@dusty river try now

[dusty river]

okey, I'll grab the new commit

[night prism]

this damn thing sure did cause some trouble

[dusty river]

hopefully this trouble manages to make future additions easier at least lol

[dusty river]

a sprite for tweaks so that we can still have visible joker sprites while testing

[night prism]

great

[dusty river]

thought we could use some more placeholder art

we could also probs use a different placeholder for augment cards than we do jokers, I'll make one for that as well

[night prism]

put them all in the same image

[dusty river]

okey!

last one is gonna be placeholder as well as the art for tree I guess lol

[dusty river]

1st is augment cards
2nd is tweaks
3rd is jokers

updated the loc and commited
every joker's name is now seen ingame

question, how do I the displays for rarities? I noticed that gabriel still shows his rarity as ERROR in-game and was trying to change that, but my addition in the loc hasn't changed that lol

gotta go, in like, 5 secs lol

be back lol

[night prism]

you need to add the rarity to both dictionary and labels

like revo did for primordial

[static finch]

https://youtu.be/YyWcrDKg9hA ...kitty jokers i guess

[dusty river]

Sweet !!

[dusty river]

IS IT OUT?

[static finch]

unfortunately no

i must wait some more to curse at mcmillen again

[dusty river]

aww

[static finch]

this looks super good

[night prism]

these are a fuck ton of cats

[static finch]

the point is that every mutation gets a name

i guess

it's eugenics so

[night prism]

also peak

[static finch]

Clueless~1

[static finch]

ikr

first isaac online then this

peak levels are off the charts

https://youtu.be/Gg15MFGINWY oh also this

[dusty river]

idk if I like the idea of 3d gungeon lol

I liked the art from the 1st one lol

[static finch]

me neither

i would've liked a terraria otherworld situation

if it actually existed

yk

if they went with a style like dead cells' we'd be GOLDEN

also because this is way less mod-friendly

if there are no mods i'll probably keep playing etg 1

knowing that the modders will probably rig the new stuff into the old stuff

[dusty river]

I'll try and do this now

after I grab the new commit

if there is one lol, tho I thought I'd check

okey, time to hop in-game real quick and see the new art myself hehe :3

[static finch]

how's this for a common?

we got too many rares

[dusty river]

I can't remember any effects that shuffle, do you mean at start of round? Like, the different order of cards you start with, shuffle?
It seems pretty cool tho, I like it. Just don't remember any shuffle effects so was confused there

[static finch]

there's some modded jokers that shuffle cards

and also that one showdown

[dusty river]

I also agree on this, tho we do have a ton of uncommons, we lack commons tho

[dusty river]

ooooooh, now I get it

In that case-

[static finch]

OH WAIT

[dusty river]

I'd word it as specifcally "Cards and jokers"

[static finch]

i should make it so that cards cannot be forcefully selected too

to like

combo with patronizing joker

and the other showdowns

which touch cards

[dusty river]

I think that one would be a bit too far imo

[static finch]

how many effects actually do that

[dusty river]

not many, tho that's kind of the point of why not I guess, maybe?
basically, to put it differently I guess
I think the original effect you made was perfect

it IS a common after all

[static finch]

hm

yeah i guess

okay no selection shenanigans

i should think up more commons actually

[dusty river]

I made frisk and papyrus cuz I noticed this myself lol, I should make a sans joker that's a common, to go with his brother

[static finch]

sans isn't common

sans is op as shit

gaster is primordial

[static finch]

(i know in lore he is just a situationally powerful comedian, but cmon)

[dusty river]

I like the alphys legendary I made

[static finch]

which i did not see

literally you i presume

[static finch]

oh

it's just blueprinter

[dusty river]

lmao, my autism took a few secs to proccess what u meant there, but yes lol

[static finch]

hah

an open book

[dusty river]

I don't have the printer mod lol 😭
so I didn't think of that
not that I care that much tbh lol

I like how alphys doesn't make them negative, adds a lot more thought to it imo

[static finch]

you know who else

prints a non negative blueprint every blind

[dusty river]

https://tenor.com/view/muscle-man-you-know-who-else-my-mom-regular-show-funny-gif-9101122073397073314

[static finch]

yes that guy

(evo fr)

[dusty river]

lmaoo

[night prism]

How the brainstorming going?

[static finch]

bluestorming better

[night prism]

True

[dusty river]

you don't know the joke I make when I post that gif cuz u haven't watched regular show lol
he's muscle man, he constantly makes "my mom jokes", yes, "my mom" not "your mom", he makes jokes about his own mother, truly peculiar

[static finch]

I know

but I am classical

I make jokes about YOUR mother

[night prism]

Peculiar indeed

[night prism]

Boring

[static finch]

well your mothers' mother?

[dusty river]

the funniest part is that there's multiple times where he says "the best comedy is based on truth" which means every joke he makes about his mom is based on reality, lol

[night prism]

so real

[static finch]

maybe but every joke has a shred of truth

else it wouldn't be funny

[night prism]

True

[static finch]

still cis tho

[night prism]

Sure

Anyway, today was a productive day

For me

[dusty river]

WAAAAH, I GOT YORICK AND I SKIPPED A MOTHERBOARD THAT WAS FOR SALE LAST SHOP

[night prism]

Milo did less than nothing

[static finch]

..thanks

[night prism]

that would have been so god

[static finch]

today was a shitty day tbh

tomorrow I'll get back getting publicly embarrassed

worry not

[night prism]

I'm happy to hear that

Today I released not 1 but 2 prism version

Because I added so much content obviously

No other reason

Though I got gold foil working

[static finch]

is that sarcasm

[night prism]

Yes

[static finch]

good

[night prism]

I just fixed a few bugs

But I made a lot of progress for next update

Just not implemented yet

[static finch]

yeah yeah not arguing

[night prism]

What are major features from this mod that are still missing?

We got augments and tweeks

[dusty river]

paint is a major feature

[night prism]

We need paint

Yeah I just thought of that

[dusty river]

also, on a far lesser note, there's artifact and unbound rarity, we already have unbound, but we need the triggers and stuff set up I think, for how the rarities work

[night prism]

Paint will be a sticker, just like augments

[night prism]

For now they just show up in the shop

How will they work in the final version?

Unbound transforms, but how?

[dusty river]

I think it's possible and maybe even simple, the thing is, and this goes for primordials too, each has their own unique way of being found
honestly, unbound should be fine in that, as we can simply have it be set in the joker it transforms from
but some primordials and all artifacts have their own requirements, kind of like cavendish does, but the conditions are triggered by all sorts of things, rarely being a specific joker, and most the time being related to if you played certain hands or have used certain consumables

[night prism]

Wall of text

Will read don't worry

[dusty river]

for example, here's the condition for the artifact, Ban Hammer

[static finch]

like artifacts?

[dusty river]

if the weight isn't specified in some sense, it's equivilant to uncommon btw

[night prism]

All of this should be easy I think

[static finch]

i got bamboozled, pardon

[static finch]

write that down somewhere

[dusty river]

I have actually

check the requirement block above the first artifact, in the blank row

[night prism]

Ther's a function in jokers called in_pool that determines if a joker can appear

So we just need to tweak that

[night prism]

This can be risky

Since the requirements are always the same

[static finch]

bruh

[static finch]

soo?

[night prism]

This will make getting artifacts very consistent

You can force for one

[dusty river]

oh? you think I should make them rarer?

[night prism]

Dunno

Depends how strong they are

[dusty river]

I mean, they aren't crazy crazy consistant, they're in the same pool as all the other uncommons

[static finch]

they are hyperspecific in their purpose

[dusty river]

wait a sec, I'll send some

[static finch]

and you gotta deckbuild to get them to appear for the most part

[static finch]

consistent*

:3

[night prism]

This is very different from how balatro works right now

[dusty river]

these are all the artifacts we have written atm

[night prism]

Since you can start a run with a joker already in mind

[static finch]

yes

[night prism]

While normally everything depends on random chance

[static finch]

the point is that's guranteed if you're going for them

but you gotta invest

[night prism]

Not saying it's bad

[static finch]

to make it worth it

[dusty river]

it's both, is the thing

[static finch]

rerolls exist, you gotta farm enough to bruteforce those

[night prism]

Just that we should keep it in mind

[dusty river]

you have to rely on the chance AND the requirement

[night prism]

As long as the requirements are hard enough

Playing two 4oak is not that hard

[static finch]

i did not make that one

so hah

[dusty river]

the two 4oak in a single blind

[night prism]

Those are great imo

[static finch]

ikr

i'm that good

[dusty river]

also, I mean, by definition, isn't this just, like, harder to find uncommon?

[static finch]

nikothumbsup

[night prism]

They still require luck and effort to pull them off

[static finch]

pretty much?

you tied a weight to them

[night prism]

We can also balance them based on the requirement

Stronger jokers have harder requirements

[static finch]

indeed my point

r key is super difficult

wait

skipping 5 blinds

consecutively

is impossible

[night prism]

And super strong

[dusty river]

it doesn't count boss blinds

[static finch]

are we counting bosses

[night prism]

Make it non boss blinds

[static finch]

oh

[static finch]

well specify that

dummy

[night prism]

Easy as that

"Skip 5 non boss Blinds in a row"

[dusty river]

okey lol
didn't think it was nessesary as they don't have the ability to be skipped, but I'll specify

[static finch]

it could be misinterpreted

if you say just skip 5 blinds

not 5 skippable blinds

[dusty river]

it has been reworded

[static finch]

it could confuse people

created > made

[night prism]

You must always assume people have 60 iq when explaining effects

General rule of game design

[static finch]

SEE

I AM SMART

THE GENERAL POPULATION ISN'T

(jk btw you're all awesomesauce)

[night prism]

I'm sure you are

[dusty river]

you the 60 iq person we writting for lmao

[static finch]

thanks :3

[static finch]

thanks 3:

[night prism]

Me or milo?

[static finch]

aight you just dug your own grave

she's the one we've been writing these for all along

[night prism]

I genuinely don't know who she meant

[static finch]

obviously

[static finch]

my implication is that she said i'm dumb

which could appear to be true but i am just super socially inept

[dusty river]

yeah lmao I meant milo lol

[static finch]

KILL THYSELF

[night prism]

Another win for the mentally sane

[static finch]

...like she ever was

you go kill thyself too

kindly

[night prism]

This is a great insult, since thou is less respectful than you

[static finch]

it's a minos prime reference

[opaque oasis]

Am i the problem here

[static finch]

https://tenor.com/view/minos-prime-king-minos-ultrakill-game-hakita-gif-5326576469495330161

[night prism]

I got that, for once

[static finch]

always matie :3

[night prism]

But what I said is also true

[static finch]

what precisely

the 60iq thing

?

[night prism]

The thou one

[dusty river]

speaking of, how'd we balance this?

[static finch]

how is it not balanced

[dusty river]

it WAS a legendary before, but I might needa move it cuz of the change I made effectwise

[dusty river]

is it? wasn't sure, that's why I came here lol

[static finch]

sounds like legendary worthy to me

hearts thematically makes sense

[night prism]

Multi editions?

[static finch]

polychrome is cause he's gay as shit

[static finch]

paint isn't an edition

and wait

why purple

actually

like

blue

or light blue

no?

[night prism]

"Make them holographic"

Are u blind (rhetorical question)

[static finch]

wait

shit

make it polychrome

[opaque oasis]

If its polychfome it wont add ot remove editons

[static finch]

instead

:3

[opaque oasis]

I assumed

[night prism]

Still an edition though

[static finch]

"straight flush"

[dusty river]

the purple is cuz he's the king of lust layer, you know, bisexual lighting?

[static finch]

not minos, 0/10

[opaque oasis]

Anyways

I'll let myself out

[night prism]

Still multi edition card

[static finch]

i guess but those hands tell me aces and straight polycules

[static finch]

why?

[night prism]

Anyway, I'm not coding multi editions

[static finch]

what are you on about

paint and edition

isn't it like sticker and edition

[night prism]

Read the damn card

The last fucking line

[static finch]

...

[opaque oasis]

Im assuming if the card already has an edition it wont do anything

[static finch]

what the hell

[static finch]

pardon me light ui makes me literally squint my eyes

[night prism]

Oh, you are right

[static finch]

just, make uneditioned cards polychrome and it's balanced

[night prism]

I assumed it would add the edition on top of the other

[static finch]

i mean THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT WITHOUT READING IT

[night prism]

But this makes more sense

[static finch]

hey the overcomplication thing is my thing

leave my autism alone

i got a trademark

[night prism]

Railgun is good at it too

Read some of the effects she designed

[static finch]

imagine getting called dumb and not even having unique autism to overcompensate

[dusty river]

purple and holographic are there to represent lust layer tho

[static finch]

mine are balanced

[static finch]

how many hours do you have on balatro

[dusty river]

oooo, tell me, tell me, show me :3

[night prism]

Not talking about balance

[night prism]

It works imo

[static finch]

i still think polychrome complements it better

purple paint gives it +mult

already

[night prism]

I guess

[static finch]

and even then, the literal pride flag is just polychrome

what's holo supposed to represent exactly

[night prism]

Wasn't red paint the one that gave mult?

And red is the color of lustful joker

[static finch]

.

[dusty river]

the futuristic enviroment of the lust layer, have u seen that place? holographic written all over

[night prism]

So pretty lusty imo

[static finch]

maybe but uh

minos looks pretty old-fashioned to me

and hell made soldier husks not minos

he just made a city

not like there aren't more advanced robots than the stuff there

[static finch]

mm

GaySex

[dusty river]

YEAH, HE MADE THE CITY THAT WAS COVERED IN BISEXUAL LIGHTING AND TECH EVERYWHERE

[night prism]

So based

[dusty river]

he didn't build a city that looked like ancient greece, he made one that looked like what new york might look like in 200 years

[static finch]

if it still exists

[night prism]

It won't

[static finch]

okay but holographic is just shiny it's not futuristic

per se

[dusty river]

you're thinking of foil

[night prism]

Holograms are pretty futuristic

[static finch]

no i'm not

still, on a gameplay perspective it fits better

imo

[dusty river]

said city u speak of

[static finch]

5 pixels and a half

https://tenor.com/view/high-quality-high-resolution-4k-144p-ultra-hd-gif-21054057

[dusty river]

there's a fucking BOOST PAD IN THE CORNER

and CRUSHERS

that aint ancient

[static finch]

everything is super advanced, excluding layer 7 where everything exploded

prologue's just standard machinery

[dusty river]

you just want him polychrome cuz he's gay

[static finch]

limbo is crappy fake stuff

[static finch]

well i still think xmult for your +mult is good

[static finch]

gluttony is a corpse, that can't be techy

but after greed you just go right back into standard water-based machinery

and then gloomy cathedral

still, i think a lotta things are techy in some way

[dusty river]

aaaanyways

gotta do this still lmao

[static finch]

huh

[night prism]

The autistic rambling was strong this time

[dusty river]

I added it in the loc file, tho I'm not sure, it's still not appearing

[static finch]

always*

well i'll go think up more commons

[night prism]

Is it the same format as primordial?

[static finch]

i must inspire myself from VS again

[night prism]

And are u sure u are using the right key for the rarity?

[static finch]

oh oh

[dusty river]

wait, huh

it's gone lol

[static finch]

question, @night prism

[night prism]

I'm all ears

[dusty river]

I might've undid it by accident and thought it didn't work cuz of that

[static finch]

can you get external stuff like current time as variables for stuff

i wanted to make a tally hall reference

[night prism]

Maybe

[static finch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8sUC-dsW8A

yk

[night prism]

If cryptid can get the discord members

This should be easier

[static finch]

my idea was something like

mechanical hands: if hand contains ranks that form hours or minutes of the current time + complete time mult and chips

common obv

cause that's super specific

[dusty river]

I umm, I'll be honest here
I very much dislike effects like this personally
so um, if it's gonna be something that has a different amount of power based off of an external source like time or something-

[night prism]

It should be doable

[static finch]

like, 21:35, if you play either a 2 and an ace, or a 3 and a 5 you get 23 mult and 35 chips

[static finch]

BUT

lemme finish the rambling

[night prism]

I think it is fine as long as it's not too impactful

[static finch]

it has an unbound form

[dusty river]

sorry lol, tho, you can have another idea here

[static finch]

ideally

which should trigger with the alphas and omegas, in theory

as the whole point of the song is that time rules over all

so like

[dusty river]

dream in sweet sea major, or whatever it's called, is a fake band commonly thought to actually be (or known to be?) tally hall, and lore wise, the band was started at 12/12/2012 at 12:12

so, an effect based off 2s and aces could work

[static finch]

playing an alpha gives ^minutes to chips

and playing an omega gives ^hours to mult

though i can't think of a good condition

maybe activate the joker effect while also playing both alpha and omega with the right ranks?

it is super convoluted, i know

but if tree is justifiable anything goes

[dusty river]

I just, really don't like time effects lol, honestly anything that's too external, it's just a shitpost to me, I'd sooner put back Tree(144) into the game than a joker that works off time

[static finch]

you see

[night prism]

Someone must be harsh to milo

[static finch]

the point is getting the joker should only be only to get the unbound, realistically

[night prism]

No one ever tells them no

[static finch]

thanks huh

[dusty river]

ok, look, I suppose, I'd be fine with this, if we made it a config

[static finch]

well i'd say i find the tree idea pretty boring but eh

it's a shitpost

and mine is a thinly veiled reference

[dusty river]

I have all the timer effects of cryptid turned off myself, as well as stuff like "Membership Card"

[static finch]

timers counterbalance the chaos

unblaanced doesn't mean in players' favor

[dusty river]

so, if we can make it a config, for timer stuff, I'm fine with this joker

[static finch]

why make such a big deal out of a damn common

nobody uses 75% of those outside of the firts 3 antes anyway

it's not a run ender, and bad jokers can exist yk

[dusty river]

why make such a big deal about a config?

configs are just, good imo

[static finch]

i didn't say i wouldn't make it in a config

i just said why be so overly hostile to an unimpactful joker

i'm not making a rare here

[dusty river]

you can make it, like I said

[static finch]

my idea stems from the fact it's just a clock at first

still, i suppose you are right in the fact it's very unreliable

[dusty river]

it's not that it's unreliable

the thing I don't like about these effects is

they ARE reliable, but in really fucked up ways

like, you can just fucking, leave the game and change your pcs clock

[static finch]

in theory you can cheat it out of max efficiency but

[dusty river]

or fucking, just, wait

[static finch]

i got a contingency plan

[dusty river]

or, if nothing else

[static finch]

lemme stop you here

[dusty river]

it puts you on a timer, and forces you to speedrun

[static finch]

the joker gets the variable assigned to it ONCE

and then it's immutable for the rest of the game

well, run

so if you see one at 19:45 it's stuck on 19:45 until you play sometime else in a new run

[night prism]

You can also get debugplus and istawin if you want

[dusty river]

I just...

[static finch]

finally, someone harsh to railgun

nobody tells her no

[night prism]

I have no stake in this

[static finch]

gold stake or nothing

[night prism]

Platinum*

[static finch]

prideful?

[night prism]

Yes

Still straight though

[dusty river]

I'm fucking sorry ok, I just... I said it's fine with a config

[static finch]

no no dw

i'm joking

your opinion is valid

[dusty river]

ok, thank you

[static finch]

all i'm saying is that this joker is fickle, like time

it doesn't wait for you

it's not merciful

and you must make use of it to your advantage

with the unbound which is way more reliable

that's my theming

i like theming if you couldn't tell

[night prism]

Can we please stop talking about this Joker?

[dusty river]

I get protective of my ideas and stuff a lot, mostly cuz I'm terrified of losing them, of them being warped into something I don't like, that I feel is no longer my creation... I've heard stories of game devs, forced to work on games they didn't want to by their bosses and watching what they love die before them
it's the main reason I want, or rather, need to be an indie dev

[static finch]

yes but

uh

[dusty river]

not for this mod, I mean

[static finch]

that was not your idea

[dusty river]

I know, I gues

or don't

sadjkfh

[static finch]

i'm not criticizing your ideas too harshly

cause it's not my thing

[static finch]

time brings this kinda thing too

disagreement

(i'm a philosopher, i know)

(spinoza would be proud of me)

[night prism]

I'm sure he would

[static finch]

is that sarcasm

yes, yes it is

even if all he did was piss people off for the hell of it

[night prism]

But you should aspire to better philosophers

[night prism]

Diogenes al least was funny when he did that

[static finch]

...like?

gallileo?

yeah he's the best

[static finch]

i am not pissing on people in this day and age

what if they like it

we already have sniper tf2 for that shit

[night prism]

I just pictured a lion with a rooster head

[dusty river]

I think I'm out for today lol
I don't think I can mentally take working on this mod for the rest of today, at least not right now
I might come back in a few hours

[static finch]

don't worry

it's fine

i like to stand my ground

too much for my own good

i'll be taking up 'tism typing for a while i guess

[night prism]

We will probably be sleeping by then

[static finch]

definitely

[dusty river]

yeah...

[night prism]

I make no promises

[static finch]

i do

i most definitely will

[night prism]

Good

Sleep is cool

[static finch]

sleep sucks

i'd live at night

if i could

[dusty river]

why do all the people I met have to live in europe, lol, for once I wanna meet someone who's timezone makes them sleep LATER lol

[static finch]

but it's not "socially acceptable"

[night prism]

But you can't

[static finch]

your autism makes you part europoor

i'm sorry for you

[night prism]

Move to Norway

[static finch]

i will when i get programming

[static finch]

if canada becomes unlivable, sure

i got time

[night prism]

Programming at night is the only real programming

[static finch]

with adequate clothing*

aka, programmer socks and loose clothes

[night prism]

So true

[static finch]

because being comfy is a lifestyle not a temporary thing

@night prism

[night prism]

This can be reworded a bit

But hopefully it should be codable

[static finch]

how so?

tell me

[night prism]

Not sure rn, it's just a bit to wordy imo

No big deal though

[static finch]

oh yeah that's not a rework imo tho

like

[night prism]

I said reword

[static finch]

a rework in my personal definiton should be changing mechanics

OH MY GOD

[night prism]

Blindass

[static finch]

if i don't stop with these blunders i'll die of embarassment

[night prism]

Please don't stop

[static finch]

lemme guess

it's comical

[night prism]

It makes me more confident with my dyslexia

[night prism]

It's relatable

[night prism]

I would never rejoice in making fun of you

[static finch]

aw

that's sweet of you

[static finch]

this is indirect dyslexia

honorary dyslexia

if you will

[night prism]

They are making fun of it rn in the prism channel

[static finch]

garb is super based

[static finch]

@night prism

I got another tally hall reference idea

much simpler

the banana man, can spawn after Gros Michel goes extinct like Cavendish

which works like showman for bananas, and doubles their values every boss blind beaten

[night prism]

I like this

[static finch]

also I decided to call the trans girl devil thingy Anva because I am very subtle

[night prism]

The showman part may be a but tricky to code, but definitely doable

[static finch]

can't you just trigger partial showman effect on a selected list

wait better

I saw a little thingy that lets you ignore duplicates

like

it makes stuff spawn even if it's already in your possession

[night prism]

i can

[opaque oasis]

im fucking up everything with pacthes

i cant evey type

[static finch]

wowie

[static finch]

are you 2 twins or something

[dusty river]

this is NOT how twins work, they are obviously clones

[night prism]

showman specifically checks whenever you create a joker if you have it

[static finch]

shush, you know nothing

[night prism]

so i'd need to change a bit of the vanilla code

[static finch]

oh

[night prism]

not much of an issue

lovely if made for that

[static finch]

still doable in theory, yes

good

i like drugs

[opaque oasis]

i need to patch a new "saved" config

help

[night prism]

wdym?

[opaque oasis]

so it wont

go

Saved by Mr. Bones

[night prism]

oh

it's a localization thing then

[opaque oasis]

no

it

kajkdsbgjahsgfasjkdlj

it doesnt work like that

i tried

i can change the message

but then mr bones' message

also

changes

[night prism]

were is the mr.bones code?

[night prism]

i assumed that

[opaque oasis]

i need another

"saved = true"

[night prism]

wait a sec

[opaque oasis]

stuff

im completely going in blind and ranom

i did some random shit

but it aint workin

[night prism]

so changing the key inside of localize does not fix it ?

[opaque oasis]

no that

that message returns in the card

not in the cashout screen

the cashout screen is returned by config.saved

[night prism]

yeah, i though as such

here @opaque oasis

[opaque oasis]

aefadgharfbsjdhjagsd

i dont want to

change

mr bones' message

[night prism]

i know

[dusty river]

I put up a commit to loc

[night prism]

i can check what saved you

[opaque oasis]

idk how

[night prism]

maybe make a global

when you get saved

and if the global is on display a different message

[opaque oasis]

makes sense to me

[night prism]

or maybe

this may be a bit trickier, but you cold return a value

when you return saved

also return saved_messge or something

and check it in the code

[opaque oasis]

global is easier

[night prism]

yes

[night prism]

this is a bit cleaner

and reusable

[opaque oasis]

global is easier

[night prism]

but for a one of thing global is better

[opaque oasis]

idk how would i go for a value

and i dont have that much time

[night prism]

global method is faster

[opaque oasis]

is this how i would

do this

[static finch]

gn chat

quitting early today

[opaque oasis]

gn

[night prism]

"early"

it's 23:28

[dusty river]

updated the loc again

[opaque oasis]

ok it appears this is NOT the way

[dusty river]

they should all be working off of the vars now, instead of just having the numbers pasted in lol

also, Tree's loc is done

[dusty river]

gn!

why... why does tree have +213 mult after the first blind 💀

[night prism]

i know why

milo made the same mistake as faustian

it triggers for all cards in deck

[opaque oasis]

i give up

[dusty river]

wait, shouldn't it only give +65 then?

[night prism]

not only cards in deck

literally everything

vouchers, deck

a lot of calculations going on

[opaque oasis]

fuck patches

[night prism]

they are cool

[opaque oasis]

aeasdgbahjfkasld

my shit not working

idk how to patch multiple lines

[night prism]

as normally

[opaque oasis]

tf is normal

for patches

[night prism]

if you want to replace them put all the lines to replace in the pattern and the output in the payload

[night prism]

you need to type all the lines you want to replace

[opaque oasis]

would this work

[night prism]

theoretically yes

[night prism]

shouldn't it be the other way around though?

[opaque oasis]

its

testing

rn

just so they have different messages

fRASFASHDGASHJKLFD

ok then my pattern should be wrong

[night prism]

both have the same message?

[opaque oasis]

no

[night prism]

is it actually getting injected?

because lovely is weird some times

[opaque oasis]

ok my pattern was wrong

now im getting unexpected symbol near if crash

and thats probably because of the way im

trying

to

put it in

[dusty river]

how would I make this guy

[night prism]

oh, i know what's the issue i think

[opaque oasis]

wait

im

trying

[night prism]

you are putting an if statement inside a table

[opaque oasis]

i included the whole thing

now

i found the issue

[night prism]

are you not?

[opaque oasis]

like i said

i realized that

10 seconds after the crash

and now trying the new

thig

[night prism]

got it

[night prism]

this should work like frisk

but with consumables

[dusty river]

okey, I think I got it, for the first effect at least, I'll try it

[night prism]

i'm coding a pretty weird effect rn

need to stop an edition to be applied to certain cards

[dusty river]

btw, what is the equivalent of "G.jokers" for consumable slots?

and "Joker" for consumables?

[night prism]

G.consumables

[opaque oasis]

okie

ye

i give

up

fr

this time

i extended where im patching until it no longer gave a crash

now this mf aint working at all

and i gotta go

[dusty river]

this right? (the consumable slots still aren't here, as I'm not sure how to do that part yet lol)

[night prism]

you typed consumeables

[night prism]

anyway, set == "Consumables" should not work

the sets are tarots, spectral and so on

you can probably remove it all together

[dusty river]

hows this?

[night prism]

also you are doing for i=1, #G.jokers.cards, jokers insted of consumbles

[night prism]

there's an extraend

inside of for

[dusty river]

ahh, right, cuz the if/then is gone

[night prism]

also rarities is sill there

but otherwise the code should work

[opaque oasis]

fuck patches again btw

jst sayin

[night prism]

you forgot to define anv

local anv = card.ability.extra

[dusty river]

I'll test with these changes
afterwards, how do I add the +1 consumable slot?

[night prism]

you need to add an add_to_deck function after calculate

so when the joker gets creaated you add a slot

then

remove_from_deck to remove the slot after removing the joker

[dusty river]

ah, fuck, messed up the name somehow (consumebles didn't work either)

[night prism]

this is my fault

G.consumeables was right

[dusty river]

the fact that this typo has gotten across the entire game is so funny lol

[night prism]

yeah

also canio is called caino in the code

[dusty river]

lmao

[dusty river]

ok, joker's first effect is working now lol
how do I add to the slots?

[night prism]

add add_to_deck = function(self, card, from_debuff) after the last end

[dusty river]

after the last end?

[night prism]

G.consumeables.config.card_limit = G.consumeables.config.card_limit + 1 inside the function

[night prism]

yes

just before the last bracket

[dusty river]

okey, lets see here

[night prism]

actually

instead of +1 use your con_slot var

so + card.ability.extra.con_slot

[dusty river]

what I have so far

[night prism]

no need for context