balatro 20 questions

[stone mirage]

its utility

[tight hinge]

Your turn

[onyx juniper]

he says he thinks its utility

yea its utility

ok lets see...

does it give you hands, discards, hand size, or make a hand easier to play. (any of these being true means yes otheriwse no)

[stone mirage]

bro eleminated an entire group

[onyx juniper]

WAIT I THINK I KNOW?

[stone mirage]

what is bro asking

[onyx juniper]

lol

[stone mirage]

bros asking an equation rn

[tight hinge]

Is it green joker

This is a tactical move

[stone mirage]

-1 life

[tight hinge]

Yeah

[onyx juniper]

bros bout to hit the discord character limi-never fucking mind

is it splash?

[stone mirage]

why the hell would u do that

2 lives both of you

what are yall doing

[tight hinge]

braining out

[onyx juniper]

well splash is utility that can trigger more then once per blind

[stone mirage]

..

[onyx juniper]

it fits everything so far

[tight hinge]

Does it make any legendary jokers easier to use (better)

[onyx juniper]

secretly asking if its merry andy LMAO

alr is it merry andy

[stone mirage]

-1 life

last life maze

[onyx juniper]

broooo omg

[tight hinge]

I don’t think maze has it in mind so nice

[onyx juniper]

i mean sock but thats retrigger not utility

[stone mirage]

you couldve asked if its realted to discards first, man use ur life carefully

[tight hinge]

Is it related to discards

We asked that no

[stone mirage]

-1 life?

[onyx juniper]

i asked immediately because merry andy helps legendary jokers and fits everything else so far (other than maybe triggering more than once per blind)

[tight hinge]

No

[stone mirage]

maze dead?

[tight hinge]

Not a loss

[onyx juniper]

no i wasnt asking

i was saying sock helps legendaries i wasnt guessing sock

[tight hinge]

Man fuck it

Is it my turn?

[onyx juniper]

i gotta guess first unless related to discards was alr asked

it was

ok ur turn

[tight hinge]

Nah it’s your turn

[stone mirage]

yeah i think maze dead

my internet exploded

im back

[tight hinge]

your turn. You asked if it gave discards

[onyx juniper]

no im not i didnt guess sock

[tight hinge]

And maze isn’t dead

[stone mirage]

ok

[onyx juniper]

i just stated that i helps legendaries

[onyx juniper]

true. related to discards is more broad, my turn

[stone mirage]

make it fast

spam question

[onyx juniper]

i cant bro

i gotta think

its the endgame

[stone mirage]

alr

im gonna win

[tight hinge]

We have time for guesses

[stone mirage]

maze 1 lives DDX 2 lives

[tight hinge]

You know it’s unwinnable for the nonguess right

We can ask questions like

Very specific to any of the 150 jokers

[stone mirage]

yeah that letter game

does it start with letter

or smth

[tight hinge]

Not even

[stone mirage]

like is it spelled m e r r y

[tight hinge]

@onyx juniper you have time to ask more info glean questions

[onyx juniper]

it could be drunkard but i dont think so that was already one, it could be idol but i already did that, could be trading card but thats econ, it could be cartomancer but i dont think its creation

actually

wait heres my question

is it creation/destruction

oh come on

im cooked

[tight hinge]

I am very uncertain as to how that helps legendaries

[stone mirage]

u will see

[tight hinge]

I was considering things like paredollia

[onyx juniper]

well im not gonna tell u cus ur my opponent

[tight hinge]

Oh I see

[stone mirage]

this sentence added so much confusion

[tight hinge]

def a destruction card

[tight hinge]

You’re the one confused

We’re locked the fuck in

[stone mirage]

i am certain

[onyx juniper]

lmao

[tight hinge]

We know it could be a card destruction card

Or a card that makes face cards

Yeah how about that, is it a deckfix card

[onyx juniper]

did we already ask if it was related to money (not necessarily econ just money)

[stone mirage]

do i have to forcefully say yes or no

[onyx juniper]

no

[tight hinge]

Yes

[onyx juniper]

lmao

[stone mirage]

it can

[tight hinge]

Maze is locked in

[onyx juniper]

i think i have a 50/50

[tight hinge]

Sneaking in that Econ guess

[onyx juniper]

did we already ask this

[stone mirage]

alr send it

[tight hinge]

They didn’t answer me tho

[onyx juniper]

i cant yet 50% chance i just die, so did we already ask if it was RELATED to money period

[stone mirage]

i said it can deckfix

[tight hinge]

So yes

[onyx juniper]

so it is related to money? or it can just deckfix

im confused

[stone mirage]

remember

[onyx juniper]

whats your answer

[onyx juniper]

i know

[tight hinge]

Deleting a card is deckfixing

[onyx juniper]

is it related to money

at all

i dont think you know why im asking this

[stone mirage]

wait

wait

wait

[onyx juniper]

but can you just answer, is it at all related to money

[stone mirage]

lemme think

[onyx juniper]

it doesnt have to be econ, just if its related

[tight hinge]

My running theory is he doesn’t know how to feel about consumable cards

[stone mirage]

im not sure abt this one but im gonna change the deckfix question to no

[onyx juniper]

oh really? but ur not sure if its related to money you say

[stone mirage]

not related to money

[tight hinge]

deleting a card = deck fix
Sometimes Spawning a tarot or spectral = deckfix

Are you sure it isn’t deckfix

[onyx juniper]

also @tight hinge is it your turn

[tight hinge]

Oh nice

[stone mirage]

ok if you consider that then its deckfix as well as econ related

[onyx juniper]

thank you

[stone mirage]

thats huge

[tight hinge]

That might be the 50:50 gone

[stone mirage]

yall have 4 lives left in total

[onyx juniper]

your turn right ddx?

[stone mirage]

so its ez

[onyx juniper]

i have 1 he has 2

[stone mirage]

so 3

and you have 50-50

so thats W

no?

[onyx juniper]

@tight hinge can you go please

[tight hinge]

Yeah it’s my turn

[onyx juniper]

yeah

[onyx juniper]

yeah and im holding back lol

[tight hinge]

Trying to think how it helps legendaries in other ways than Yorick

[onyx juniper]

me too im losing certainty about that one

[stone mirage]

i forgot you 2 are competing

[tight hinge]

“One”

Fuck it, is it sixth sense

[onyx juniper]

ok my last life. is the joker...
CARTOMANCER? PLEASE

[tight hinge]

Tragic

[onyx juniper]

NOOOOOO

[stone mirage]

gg maze

[onyx juniper]

it had better not be vagabond

but im dead

[stone mirage]

now help ddx win

[tight hinge]

Nah nah

[onyx juniper]

he can do it himself

[tight hinge]

What’s another card destruction. That was my 50:50

[stone mirage]

no

help him

[onyx juniper]

damn i was too confident

[stone mirage]

im making new rule: you cant ask if it starts with a letter

[tight hinge]

I was considered trading card but he got so mixed up with the deckfix thing

[onyx juniper]

well yeah questions like that should be outlawed they have to be related to the game

[tight hinge]

It’s unwinnable, king

Does it destroy a card

[stone mirage]

just ask more specific things

[tight hinge]

Does it create consumables

[stone mirage]

maze u can ask questions too

help him

[onyx juniper]

i realize im gonna have 3 hours of sleep. thats definitely not gonna catch up to me later

[onyx juniper]

omfg

[tight hinge]

Does it create tarots

[onyx juniper]

i know what it is

and i was so close

[tight hinge]

Yup

But I have 1 life so

[stone mirage]

am i gonna win

[tight hinge]

Does it create spectrals

[onyx juniper]

yeah

[stone mirage]

😨

[onyx juniper]

its joever

[tight hinge]

It’s not 6 sense as we know

[onyx juniper]

theres only one thing it can be

i would bet my life on it 🫃🏻

[tight hinge]

Is it colored green in any part of the card

[stone mirage]

lemme check

[stone mirage]

no

[onyx juniper]

i can start answering questions now lol ik what it is

[tight hinge]

Anti-perkeo tech

[onyx juniper]

no green

[tight hinge]

Does it proc on a straight flush

[stone mirage]

im making new rule: no appearance quesitons

[onyx juniper]

lmao

you got it

[tight hinge]

You will not win

I had this in my head

20 mins ago

[stone mirage]

😭

[onyx juniper]

no way

[tight hinge]

we probably both did

[onyx juniper]

yeah i thought of it but i thought it was probably tarot creation for a while

[stone mirage]

wait we broke the rules

[tight hinge]

I was considering 6 sense, trading card, and then tarot and seance

[stone mirage]

after maze died

he still has to ask questions

turnwise

[tight hinge]

He doesn’t, no

[stone mirage]

so we broke rule

[onyx juniper]

no because

i cant win anyways

[tight hinge]

sore loser

[onyx juniper]

i knew what it was

[tight hinge]

Anyways

Is it seance

[stone mirage]

🏆🏆🏆

[onyx juniper]

yeah it was so obvious after i died lol

[stone mirage]

that was intense

[tight hinge]

Okay don’t be mad

But I wanted to pull you into guessing

With the green joker thing

[stone mirage]

huh

[tight hinge]

and also to give the next question to you

[onyx juniper]

but i couldnt guess i was dead

[stone mirage]

wdym

[tight hinge]

Cause that’s when I had like 5 cards in my mind

[tight hinge]

No like way back when you had 3 lives

[onyx juniper]

also why would i be mad those are tactics

[onyx juniper]

what green joker thing tho?

OHHH

[stone mirage]

should we keep ability to ask questions after dying

[onyx juniper]

i remember

[tight hinge]

I guessed green joker

[onyx juniper]

THE TACTICS

[onyx juniper]

no

[stone mirage]

alr

[onyx juniper]

can i go now btw

[tight hinge]

Yeah your 1 life advantage

Making it safe to guess

but not really cause if we’re both on 2 it’s fucked

[stone mirage]

alr whos turn now

[tight hinge]

Theirs

[stone mirage]

his

[onyx juniper]

ok i have one if im gonna go

[tight hinge]

Is it green joker
/j

Don’t answer that

[stone mirage]

-1 life

is it scoring

[onyx juniper]

no

[stone mirage]

its never scoring

[tight hinge]

Can its effect in any way be described as “duplicate”

[onyx juniper]

no

[stone mirage]

does it effect handsize/hands/discards

[onyx juniper]

no

[onyx juniper]

btw yes 🏆 (joke obv)

[stone mirage]

i got scared

phew

[tight hinge]

Does it have yellow text (cash) in its effect description

[onyx juniper]

come on man :( yes

[stone mirage]

oo

is it cashout econ

[onyx juniper]

no

ok i feel like its kinda obvious now

[tight hinge]

Got here too fast sadly

Does it have a face card related effect

[stone mirage]

ooooo

[onyx juniper]

no

[stone mirage]

nice one

[onyx juniper]

i see the tactics

[stone mirage]

alr lemme cook

[tight hinge]

Guess the joker outright

Win the 1/6 roll

[onyx juniper]

def

best strat

[stone mirage]

alr

is it scaling???????????????????????????

[onyx juniper]

no

[stone mirage]

nice

[onyx juniper]

also tactics

interesting

[tight hinge]

What scaling Econ card isn’t a cashout effect (not a question for maze)

out of curiosity

[stone mirage]

egg and gift card

[tight hinge]

Yeah interesting

Can it pop multiple times in one blind

[onyx juniper]

yes

[stone mirage]

ooof

i got this

i only got 2 jokers in my mind

if i get it wrong

thenddx takes it

[onyx juniper]

yikeroonies

[stone mirage]

50-50 fr

alr

3

2

1

[tight hinge]

Teehee

[stone mirage]

rebate

[onyx juniper]

no

[stone mirage]

SHIT

[onyx juniper]

2 lives left

[tight hinge]

what was your other option

[stone mirage]

its your question

[onyx juniper]

he doesnt have to tell you that lol

[stone mirage]

and im not telling

[tight hinge]

yeah but I have like 4 jokers in mind

[stone mirage]

lmao

im taking notes here

theres only 1 left

wait no i forgot 1 more

so 2 more left

no theres 1 more 💀

3 left

[tight hinge]

Yeah there’s a fair amount

[stone mirage]

not more than that

only 3

[tight hinge]

I think “is it retrigger synergy” would be huge but it’s too much info

[stone mirage]

ask it

[tight hinge]

Is it todolist

[onyx juniper]

[tight hinge]

Nice

[stone mirage]

haoshoashohoahhhhhhhhhhh

[tight hinge]

Did you have that card in your 3 left btw

[stone mirage]

yes

[tight hinge]

don’t have to say what the three were

[stone mirage]

its rough gem

[tight hinge]

we’ll see

[onyx juniper]

this your guess or you just stating that?

[stone mirage]

its my guess

is it rought gem

[onyx juniper]

🏆

[stone mirage]

🔥

[tight hinge]

Vagabond, ticket, rough gem, matador

[stone mirage]

myy other option was golden ticket

[onyx juniper]

lmaoooo gg

[tight hinge]

so many

very sad

[stone mirage]

gtg

[onyx juniper]

yeah i was narrowing it down in my head too like i was playing

[onyx juniper]

noooooo

no more 20 questions modified for balala?

[tight hinge]

Ew

[onyx juniper]

balala lol

[tight hinge]

I’m so proud of the multiple times per blind question

[onyx juniper]

yeah that narrowed it down a lot

[tight hinge]

Sorry for saying yellow text btw

[onyx juniper]

you should be proudest of the yellow money shown on card that basically narrowed it down from like 100 to 10 lmaoooo

[tight hinge]

Very cheesy way to target Econ and econ scaling

[tight hinge]

Yes exactly

[onyx juniper]

which is luck not skill but mega luck

[tight hinge]

“Econ” versus cash

[onyx juniper]

@tired adder awake from your slumber and play with us again frfr

[tight hinge]

We can go you and me

[tired adder]

hi

ill play one more

[onyx juniper]

yoooo

[tight hinge]

I’ll host then

[tired adder]

alr

[onyx juniper]

fair enough

[tired adder]

ill go 2 then if i go next

[tight hinge]

3 lives, lose a life only for joker guesses

[tired adder]

mhm

[onyx juniper]

and no 2 in a row

[tight hinge]

I’m ready

[onyx juniper]

alr is it scoring

[tight hinge]

Yeah

Keeping it quick

[stone mirage]

back

hi lilo

[onyx juniper]

someone ask lol

[stone mirage]

is it econ

[tired adder]

is it scaling

[stone mirage]

is it xmult

[onyx juniper]

its scoring, dont know many scoring econ

is it related to your deck

[stone mirage]

boostratps

not a guess

[tight hinge]

Not Econ

[tired adder]

thats econ-related

[stone mirage]

can it reset

[onyx juniper]

bootstraps isnt econ its just money related

yea

[stone mirage]

yeah

[onyx juniper]

btw not my turn

[stone mirage]

ask

ask

ask

[onyx juniper]

oh yes it is

[tight hinge]

It’s maze or lilo now

[onyx juniper]

is it related to card enhancements

[tired adder]

constellation?

[stone mirage]

is it poker hand trigger

[onyx juniper]

mannnn

[stone mirage]

-1 life

[onyx juniper]

nice lets goo

[stone mirage]

lilo 2 lives left

[tired adder]

ik

[stone mirage]

its not poker hand trigger

[onyx juniper]

vampire?

NO SHIT

AHHH

[stone mirage]

-1

[onyx juniper]

I WASTED A LIFE

[tired adder]

unbelievable

vamp is related to enhancements

smh

[stone mirage]

it wasnt related to enhancements

sm

[onyx juniper]

I KNEW IT WASNT RELATED TO ENHANCEMENTS

[stone mirage]

h

[tight hinge]

Tragic

[tired adder]

right so this is a bit of a loophole

but

can soul create it

[tight hinge]

Surprised it lasted this long

[stone mirage]

breh

[tight hinge]

Nope

[tired adder]

asking if its a legendary seems fine, just the rest arent

[onyx juniper]

loll the workaround to is it legendary

[tired adder]

cause its only 5 jokers

[stone mirage]

yea

[tight hinge]

Spirit of the rule is to not choke you into one rarity

“Is it from soul” is fine imo

[tired adder]

jimbo falls under that, technically

[onyx juniper]

it could be ramen but doubt

[stone mirage]

does it have a downside

[tight hinge]

That’s fun

That’s on me

[stone mirage]

asnwer me

answe me

[tight hinge]

No life lost but it’s a free guess

Not ramen

[stone mirage]

answer me

answer me

[tight hinge]

No

[stone mirage]

ok

[tight hinge]

Nevermind

[stone mirage]

so not madness

[tight hinge]

Aarush tanks the 1 life loss

[tired adder]

so scaling xmult, unrelated to hands, no direct downside

[tight hinge]

in a brave save of maze

[tight hinge]

Yup

[tired adder]

so it cant decrease?

[stone mirage]

cant reset

[tired adder]

hm

[tight hinge]

Cannot decrease or reset

[onyx juniper]

im confuzzled

[tired adder]

can riff raff spawn it :3

[stone mirage]

lilo did u guess holo or const

[tired adder]

no thats not allowed

[tight hinge]

Nope

[tired adder]

i guessed const

[stone mirage]

ahh yes common scaling xmult

[onyx juniper]

ok im gona bite the bullet i think

[tired adder]

does it involve adding or creating, or does it benefit from adding or creating

[stone mirage]

no u didnt ask

[onyx juniper]

well im at 2 lives

[stone mirage]

rulebreak

[tired adder]

so its not hologram

[tight hinge]

Card creation and deletion are unrelated

[stone mirage]

rulebreak

rulebreak

[tired adder]

where

[stone mirage]

lilo asked 2 quesitons

[tired adder]

i asked that to the group, that was my fault

not to the GM

[tight hinge]

yeah but nobody has any clue

So tbh what’s the difference

[onyx juniper]

do (any) card editions help it? EDITIONS not enhancements

[tired adder]

(game master) :3

[tight hinge]

It’s gonna strike like lighting lol

[tired adder]

well

[onyx juniper]

aw man

[tired adder]

i dont see how they would lol

[onyx juniper]

not stencil

[stone mirage]

does its scaling value show on its description

[tired adder]

right.

[tight hinge]

No. You have to randomly guess how much xmult you get

[tired adder]

they all do

[onyx juniper]

WHAT

[tired adder]

this is a silly question

[onyx juniper]

oh

lmao

[tight hinge]

I’m kidding

[stone mirage]

ik what it is

[tight hinge]

lol

[onyx juniper]

i didnt realize this was sarcasm for a whole second and a half

[tight hinge]

Spend the life then

[stone mirage]

no

[tired adder]

then spend a life

[stone mirage]

i asked

i cant ask again

[tired adder]

ok. is it scaling

we know it is so ask

[tight hinge]

I have a big hint that’s not effect related

[stone mirage]

we already asked scaling 😭

[tired adder]

I KNOW

SO ASK UR QUESTION

i was burning one so u could ask

😭

[stone mirage]

ddx didnt asnwer it

[tired adder]

it doesnt matter

[tight hinge]

Yes it is scaling

Burn

[tired adder]

i asked so u can ask

[tight hinge]

The

Life

[stone mirage]

ok

[tight hinge]

Or win

Do it

[stone mirage]

so u werent joking right?

about it not showing its xmult value

[tired adder]

ddx was being sarcastic

[onyx juniper]

does it have retrigger synergy

[tired adder]

about it not showing

ddx just said that 😭

[stone mirage]

dddx tell

[tight hinge]

Next message is a card name or I kill you in Minecraft

I was joking

it has xmult on it

[stone mirage]

so i dont have a joker in mind

[tight hinge]

Like every xmult ever

[tired adder]

answer @tight hinge

[stone mirage]

so its not baseball

[tight hinge]

Now I wanna hear the joker name

[tight hinge]

No

[tired adder]

that SAYS

what are u on about

it just doesnt say how much it gives on it

[stone mirage]

i asked if it shows the scaled value on the joker

[onyx juniper]

so not baron aj or any of that

[tight hinge]

Baseball is kinda greyish area. I see what they meant. But it’s not really scaling imo

[stone mirage]

baseball dosent show if it will give 1.5x 3 or 4 times

[tired adder]

i wouldnt say baseball is scaling, no

[tight hinge]

Mime also isn’t scaling

[tired adder]

it'd be like saying odd todd is scaling

[tight hinge]

Yeah

[stone mirage]

i meant baseblal

[onyx juniper]

i meant baron lol

[tired adder]

yeah baseball isnt scaling

[stone mirage]

wait what

[tight hinge]

and they said mime cause they asked about retriggers

[stone mirage]

baseball is scaling

[tired adder]

no it isnt

[stone mirage]

how

[tired adder]

otherwise odd todd would be scaling

fib would be scaling

[tight hinge]

I sell all my uncommon jokers. How much has baseball scaled

[stone mirage]

dam

good to know

[tired adder]

the joker's value has not been increased or decreased

like, on the card itself

[stone mirage]

baron isnt scaling too then right?

[tight hinge]

Nope

[stone mirage]

baron is scaling?

[onyx juniper]

see this is what i was talking abt with my scaling definition

[tight hinge]

Less so because held in hand is very variable

[stone mirage]

how is baron scaling but not baseball

[tired adder]

is it hand related

[tight hinge]

Baron is not scaling

[tired adder]

???

[onyx juniper]

although, technically, if baseball isnt scaling you could say stone isnt scaling cus you could hang all of ur stone

ok. does it copy the effect of another joker (invis doesnt count)

[stone mirage]

why did u ❌ on this then

[tired adder]

thats a bad way of phrasing a question

[stone mirage]

ok

[onyx juniper]

baron isnt scaling

[tight hinge]

Ig i was agreeing with no

[stone mirage]

ok

got it

[onyx juniper]

it is if u perkeo cryptid or something

[tight hinge]

But tldr Baron doesn’t scale

[stone mirage]

alr lets move on

[onyx juniper]

yeah lol

[tired adder]

okay so

not destruction or creation related

[tight hinge]

You’re all gonna get mad as hell btw

[tired adder]

not hand related

[onyx juniper]

im stumped tbh, its not related to enhancements

[tight hinge]

Like think simpler

[tired adder]

related to discards/handsize?

[stone mirage]

im gonna ask

[onyx juniper]

so not lucky cat, steel, glass, none of that

[tight hinge]

Maybe think like

As a novice player

[stone mirage]

does it do something other than giving mult

[tired adder]

just xmult

[tight hinge]

It only gives xmult

[tired adder]

hm

[tired adder]

answer

oh

[onyx juniper]

lol

[stone mirage]

do u need to sacrifice to scale it

[tired adder]

is it related to a specific type of card

[tight hinge]

You do not destroy cards to scale

[onyx juniper]

hm like glass joker

[stone mirage]

ANSWER ME

[tired adder]

already did chill out

[onyx juniper]

which it isnt btw no enhancements lol

[stone mirage]

when

[tired adder]

also u broke a rule

[stone mirage]

like campfire

[stone mirage]

mb

[onyx juniper]

not camp, it resets

[tight hinge]

Campfire is sacrificial?

[stone mirage]

oh wait mb

[onyx juniper]

ur fine

[tired adder]

campfire also resets

[tight hinge]

Sacrifice is a bad word imo

And yeah, this doesn’t reset and scales

[stone mirage]

sacrifice yout consumables lol

[tired adder]

on-sell should be included in "destruction"

so cola, luchador, invis

[onyx juniper]

and jokers if ur a chad like that

[tight hinge]

It is not destruction related, including on sell

[tired adder]

alr

[stone mirage]

selling dosent count as destruction

[tired adder]

im saying it should for this case

[tight hinge]

It is not sell related

[tired adder]

alr

[stone mirage]

ok

[onyx juniper]

im so stumped ngl

[tight hinge]

I can’t believe this is how bad this joker is

[tired adder]

is it only "technically" xmult, and not explicitly xmult

[tight hinge]

That it escapes the mind of anyone who beats green stake

[onyx juniper]

idol :o (joke)

[tight hinge]

It’s an xmult effect

[onyx juniper]

crazy lmao

[tired adder]

alr

[stone mirage]

does it pour all the x mult in one shot

[tight hinge]

I’m laughing at the idea of one of you telling everyone what it is

[tired adder]

oh

[stone mirage]

what is that phrasing

[tight hinge]

It doesn’t reset

Idk what you mean

[tired adder]

is it conditional

[stone mirage]

ok lemme rephrase

[onyx juniper]

i already asked if its related to your deck so its not hologram

[tight hinge]

No. It applies its scaled xmult value all the time

[tired adder]

alright

[onyx juniper]

ohhh good one but is there scaling conditional xmult?

[tired adder]

oh my god

throwback

[stone mirage]

its not pokerhand related

[tight hinge]

HAHAHAHA

[tired adder]

jesus

[stone mirage]

ooooooooooof

[onyx juniper]

WAIT NAH

[tired adder]

it immediately clicked

[onyx juniper]

IT WAS THROWBACK

DUDE

[tired adder]

alright ill go

[tight hinge]

I told you

[stone mirage]

where did ddx answer the conditional

[tight hinge]

Escapes the mind of anyone who beats green stake

[onyx juniper]

HOLY SHIT I THOUGHT YOU MADE A MISTAKE OR SOMETHING

U WERE RIGHT

[tired adder]

oh btw

a good question to ask would be if it can be perishable

[tight hinge]

It’s also the only retroactive xmult

[tired adder]

or eternal

[stone mirage]

how

[tight hinge]

Ye I considered *stickers

[tired adder]

not for my specific one, but just for the proverbial bank of questions

[stone mirage]

alr ddx ur turn?

[tight hinge]

But it’s essentially mostly food jokers and sell effects

[tired adder]

mine

[tired adder]

??? 😭

[stone mirage]

alr

[tired adder]

ddx just went

[stone mirage]

ik

[tight hinge]

Yeah it’s my turn

Call it

A throwback

[stone mirage]

ok

[tired adder]

huh

i thought it was me

[tight hinge]

It’s your turn

[stone mirage]

alr lilo r u ready

[tired adder]

yes

[tight hinge]

I’m just making a throwback joke

[stone mirage]

is it econ

[tired adder]

no

[tight hinge]

Scoring

[stone mirage]

is it related to econ

@onyx juniper ?

[tight hinge]

Scaling

[stone mirage]

reset/descaling

[tight hinge]

Too soon

[tired adder]

can decrease.

[tight hinge]

+mult?

[stone mirage]

is it related to face cards

ooo

[onyx juniper]

im back

sorry had to go

[tight hinge]

Hm. Depending on your definition of scaling it’s just green joker.
Is it green joker?

[onyx juniper]

:o

[tired adder]

-1 life

[tight hinge]

Tragic, worth a shot tho

[tired adder]

scaling is just 'can the value on the joker increase or decrease'

[stone mirage]

is it abstract joker

[onyx juniper]

not AND

[stone mirage]

oof

[onyx juniper]

dude not scaling

[tired adder]

yes it is

[stone mirage]

its not econ related so it cant be squashbuckler

[tired adder]

the value on abstract can both increase and decrease

[onyx juniper]

oh i guess... it can go up and down

[onyx juniper]

true

alr thats our definition

[tired adder]

if it can increase or decrease, ya.

[tight hinge]

does it always keep track of its potential +mult in the background (retroactive, and intended to include stuff like erosion)

[stone mirage]

@onyx juniper @tight hinge thoughts?

[tight hinge]

Yeah

[onyx juniper]

does it destroy anything

[tight hinge]

It’s not swash

[stone mirage]

not dager

[tight hinge]

Is it capped below 60 mult

[stone mirage]

does it relate to poker hands

[tired adder]

what joker is capped below 60

[stone mirage]

u can get infinite negatives for abstract joker

[tight hinge]

Aw shit

is it capped at all

[onyx juniper]

you can

but like

no

[stone mirage]

yeah

[tight hinge]

okay so not erosion or abstract

[stone mirage]

is it related to consumables

[tired adder]

if we're talking capped, im talking about a hard cap

[tight hinge]

Wait no

[onyx juniper]

is it related to poker hands

[tight hinge]

Abstract is technically not capped

[tired adder]

as in it "cannot go higher than x"

like

[stone mirage]

i already asked that

no

[onyx juniper]

yeah

[tired adder]

erosion cant go above (52*4) in vanilla rn

[stone mirage]

so its not supernova

[onyx juniper]

oh so my question doesnt count

[stone mirage]

it cant be supernova

[onyx juniper]

is it food

[tight hinge]

Can it scale within a blind still being played

[stone mirage]

how many lives do i have

[tight hinge]

That’s your job

[tired adder]

uhh still 3, no?

[stone mirage]

i think i guessed 1

[tired adder]

we can put our lives in our names lol

[stone mirage]

im at 2 i belivee

[tired adder]

alr aarush is at 2

[stone mirage]

so not red card

[tired adder]

agreeing

[tight hinge]

Or flashcard

[stone mirage]

yes

[tired adder]

im not gonna count those as guesses even tho im responding like they are

[onyx juniper]

is it related to any ranks?

[stone mirage]

its not poker hand related so its not spare pants

[tight hinge]

Is it poker hand related

[stone mirage]

i asked that

bro

no

[tight hinge]

I don’t remember that being asked so I’m doin it

[onyx juniper]

we alr know its not supernova i believe

[tired adder]

yeah it was asked, and no

[onyx juniper]

woah guys checkmark i won!!1!!

[tight hinge]

It can decrease anyways

[stone mirage]

its not a legendary

[tight hinge]

Which is kinda the big deal for me

[stone mirage]

maze what u got

i got one

missprint

wait no

shit

[onyx juniper]

not scaling

[stone mirage]

do i lose a life

[tired adder]

no i didnt answer

[stone mirage]

phew

im saved

[tired adder]

u rescinded your question

[onyx juniper]

was fortune teller alr mentioned

[tight hinge]

Is it food (you said no right)

[tired adder]

not food.

[stone mirage]

yes its not

[tight hinge]

fortune doesn’t go down

Actually wait is that even viable

[stone mirage]

not ride the bus since its not face card related

[tight hinge]

What else can go down besides popcorn and green and bus

[stone mirage]

we didnt guess popcorn

who wants to try

[onyx juniper]

i have no idea its not money related so not bootstraps

[tired adder]

are you guessing popcorn

[stone mirage]

no

[onyx juniper]

not food

[stone mirage]

yeah

true

[tired adder]

it can go up and down

[onyx juniper]

baiting us into guessing something its not huh aarush

[stone mirage]

is it only +mult

[tight hinge]

And it’s uncapped

[stone mirage]

does it have a downside

idk why i asked that

[onyx juniper]

green joker was already guessed

[stone mirage]

IS IT EROSION

[onyx juniper]

right?

[onyx juniper]

no

erosion is capped

[stone mirage]

oof true

1 life left

[tired adder]

yeah erosion is capped at base deck size * 4

[tight hinge]

I’m almost certain yes

[tired adder]

yeah its not groker

[tight hinge]

Yeah it was my first life

Wtf lilo

[tired adder]

what

i think the problem is you made an assumption a while back

[onyx juniper]

not abstract or swash

[onyx juniper]

we alr discussed these i think

OH

[tight hinge]

Is it abstract.

Technically uncapped

[tired adder]

no. 1 life

[tight hinge]

Yeah 1 life

[onyx juniper]

not raised fist it doesnt scale. hm

[stone mirage]

we aliminated that ages ago

[tight hinge]

Yeah yeah

[tired adder]

yeah raised fist isnt scaling technically

because the value on the card doesnt go up or down

but

[onyx juniper]

i have no idea

[tired adder]

would we count misprint?

it can go up and down, but is capped

[stone mirage]

no

[tired adder]

why not

[stone mirage]

missprint is rng

not scaling

[tired adder]

right okay

[tight hinge]

Red card can’t decrease

[tired adder]

its a bit of an odd one

[stone mirage]

is it econ related

[tired adder]

cause theres no other joker like that

[stone mirage]

just confirming

[tired adder]

id argue no.

[stone mirage]

ok

wth is this lilo 😭

[tight hinge]

Can it scale multiple times a round

[tired adder]

it can

[stone mirage]

can the +mult trigger multiple times on same played hand (except copy jokers)

[onyx juniper]

onyx agate/fib/those arent scaling

[stone mirage]

dam

[tired adder]

read this wrong

you should compile your answers so u know what not to guess to make it easier

[stone mirage]

i should take a pen and a page

[tired adder]

again, i think an assumption you made before is leading to some confusion.

[onyx juniper]

it's independent +mult right?

[tired adder]

unconditional scoring, yes.

[tight hinge]

Does it reset or only drop by a little

[stone mirage]

i went back to start to figure out the wrong assumption lilo talked about

didnt find it

[tired adder]

decreases. doesnt "reset"

[stone mirage]

is it poker hand related

just confirming

[tired adder]

u already asked that

asked like 5 times actually

[tight hinge]

Is it even + mult

[stone mirage]

ahashuahhsa

[tight hinge]

Okay phew

[onyx juniper]

its not related to money (bootstraps) not rank (stm) not money (swash) not hand related (trousers) not popcorn (not food) not fortune teller (just said not fortune teller also it doesnt go down) not erosion (capped) not red or flash card (in shop) not grimbo (said explicitly) not ride the bus (not related to face cards) not supernova (explicitly said, poker hands) not abstract (said) not fist (said) not misprint (said)

[tired adder]

the assumption you made is somewhere in here.

thats all ill say :3

[onyx juniper]

either one of these is wrong or im forgetting a scaling +mult

[stone mirage]

alr @tired adder did we name that joker since your turn started

[onyx juniper]

is it related to money?

[stone mirage]

hm

WHAT

WHAT

[tight hinge]

BOOTS

[stone mirage]

s

[tired adder]

thats econ related.

[tight hinge]

Rip me

[onyx juniper]

is it flash card

[tired adder]

money related isnt necessarily econ related

[stone mirage]

wth money related econ related same thing

[tight hinge]

Guessed that and it’s not scalable in blind

[stone mirage]

explain

[onyx juniper]

is it swash

[tired adder]

its not related to the money you have

[stone mirage]

WHAT

WHAT

[tired adder]

i would argue swash isnt econ related

[onyx juniper]

WOOHOOOOOO

[tired adder]

its sell value related

[onyx juniper]

🏆

[tired adder]

which is affected by two econ jokers

but is not econ related imo

[stone mirage]

EXPLAIN ECON RELATED AND MONEY RELATED

[tight hinge]

I swore we guessed swash but man

[tired adder]

you said "it cant be swash or abstract"

then abstract was guessed

[tight hinge]

Yeah rip

[stone mirage]

@tired adder

[onyx juniper]

found the assumption yep

[tired adder]

yeah

[stone mirage]

@tired adder

[tired adder]

???

[stone mirage]

explain the difference

pls

[tight hinge]

Money

[tired adder]

gift card and egg are econ jokers

they dont give you money

they give you sell value

[tight hinge]

How does swash affect your econ

[stone mirage]

so whats money related

[tired adder]

directly related to money

[tight hinge]

Which is like, bull and boot

[tired adder]

i.e bull/boots/rebate, etc

[tight hinge]

Swash cares about the sell value of jokers

[tired adder]

gives u money or pulls from your money

or vagabond

[stone mirage]

how is econ related and money related different

[tired adder]

vagabond is money related

[stone mirage]

i dont get it

[tight hinge]

Is knife Econ related

[tired adder]

swash IS NOT MONEY RELATED

[onyx juniper]

is this a good nickname or too cocky lol

[tight hinge]

GN?

[tired adder]

swash does not care how much money you have

[onyx juniper]

golden needle

[stone mirage]

u said its not econ related right?

[tight hinge]

It’s sell value related

[tired adder]

its related to econ 3 steps away. i would say thats a stretch

thats the same as every joker being econ

[tight hinge]

Barely Econ if it is

you could call knife econ related

[stone mirage]

so that econ and money confusion was all

[tired adder]

yeah i would say it isnt

its $ related, but not econ related

because sell value

[stone mirage]

then egg and gift card are money related and not econ related?

[tired adder]

swash is related to econ by
sell value -> egg/gift increase sell value

[stone mirage]

since sell value

[tired adder]

again, thats a stretch

[onyx juniper]

i think knife is econ related in practice but for the sake of the game it would be confusing to call it econ related

[tired adder]

yeah

[tight hinge]

I think half of the Econ confusion can be avoided by including the use of yellow text

[tired adder]

ya

[stone mirage]

pls make econ related and money related count as the same thing

[onyx juniper]

those give you econ

[onyx juniper]

vagabond is money related, definitely not econ related

[tired adder]

yeah vagabond cares about your Money

your actual $ you can spend

[stone mirage]

what does economy actually mean

[tired adder]

its an incredibly vague term

[onyx juniper]

in balatro it means how well your money is going

[tired adder]

so i agree its a bit eh

and its like how

every joker is econ and every joker is scoring

but its just silly

so using strict definitions is better

[onyx juniper]

like if youre above 25 then u have good econ, $5 interest every round and whatnot

[stone mirage]

so basically all sell value related jokers are money related and the rest are econ related

[tired adder]

but ig we dont have a strict definition for econ

[tired adder]

they all have sell value though

so would all jokers be econ?

[onyx juniper]

econ means it helps you get money.

[tired adder]

they all do

[onyx juniper]

money-related means it is related to money like swash

[stone mirage]

i mean the jokers which get buffed by more sell value are?

[onyx juniper]

ig true good scoring beats blind faster more money

[stone mirage]

so by money related you mean sell value related?

[onyx juniper]

by money related i mean if it refers to or benefits from money

[tired adder]

i would be willing to accept that swash and dagger are econ related

[tight hinge]

Cash/money: Yellow text involved at all
Econ: Provides value that’s usually equivalent or exploitable as cash (astronomer, chaos)
Sell effect: relates to sell value

[tired adder]

from now on

[stone mirage]

YAY

im satisfied now

[tired adder]

so swash, dagger, egg and gift are all econ related

egg and gift are econ

[onyx juniper]

i still think swash is a little iffy but yeah i mean you had to get the money for swash at some point

[stone mirage]

no confusion

[tired adder]

yeah

[tight hinge]

Economy is meant to describe an economic system. In this case a run

[tired adder]

it just clears it up

even if its a little bit of an edge case

[tight hinge]

So if it’s “econ” it’s value generation without money

[tired adder]

eh

[stone mirage]

i mean i couldve just asked if the joker gets buffed if u have more money

[tired adder]

econ is usually meant in a way that includes cash generation too

[stone mirage]

but yeah this is fine

[onyx juniper]

true

[tired adder]

yeah

[tight hinge]

I’d like to poke more holes here

[stone mirage]

that yellow text one was so fun when we were guessing maze's rough gem