#SSBU Jokers (WIP/Concept)

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primal talon
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# primal talon

does Pikachu make it so that Steel cards gain more mult when Jokers have editions?

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He could, but that would DEFINITELY make him at least Uncommon.

rain cloud
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ohh i see

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Pikachu is a little jank, I'll probably rework him at some point.

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I completely abandoned Luigi's Final Smash in favor of his Misfire mechanic.

rain cloud
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i wonder if in the future you can add a joker that increases the lifetime of a Joker 🤔

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Tarot

rain cloud
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that would prob be better lol

primal talon
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Or Spectral for that matter.

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Tarot that doubles lifetime for a fighter Joker, Spectral that makes a selected Joker eternal.

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Or you could get Spirits as a new card pack, increasing duration by 50%, boosting effects by 25%, or decreasing cooldown by 25%

rain cloud
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ooh wait spirits are a good idea

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that would take an incredible amount of time tho 🤔

primal talon
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So would coding, implementing, playtesting, and arting 82 Jokers.

rain cloud
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true

primal talon
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Implementing one Tarot card that refreshes Joker lifespan - which could refresh food Jokers like Ice Cream and Seltzer as well, btw - would be a lot easier.

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Well, that's fourteen down. Only... uh... like seventy to go.

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And there's gonna have to be a switch to choose between m/f for Ice Climbers, Wii Fit Trainer, Villager, Robin, Corrin, Hero, Byleth, and Steve

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The other multi-character Jokers I'll build in a swapping mechanic.

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Sheik and Zelda will devolve into each other on death (Brawl reference)
Pokemon Trainer will switch every Hand
Min Min will switch every new Poker Hand
Pyra/Mythra will switch every Round

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I'm... way too into this, send mental help

rain cloud
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me too

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i get it

primal talon
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NEW BATCH

rain cloud
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i wonder if falco could be a rare

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cause hack is an uncommon and it retriggers once

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I could make him a rare, but I don't think he needs to be a rare since his FS only benefits AFTER the round you use it.

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And can only be used twice.

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Plus, he uses low cards. Low card is not a high-emphasis build.

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There are a few niche builds that are low-card dependent, but most builds are more focused on high and face cards - for example, Photochad.

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Lucina's FS is busted if you build it right.

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Decrease your hand size, discard to Aces and Faces, use the FS. If you play it right, you'll get up to nine Aces, especially if you build your deck well.

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This definitely needs a new pack type.

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Smash Deck: Start with a random Fighter Joker

Challenger Pack: Choose 1 of 3 Undiscovered Fighter Jokers
Mega Challenger Pack: Choose 2 of 5 Undiscovered Fighter Jokers
Item Pack: Choose 1 of 3 (Jumbo 5, Mega 2 of 5) Items

  • Spirit Set (Item): Refresh lifespan of all Jokers
  • Smash Ball (Item): Fully charge all Fighter Jokers' Attacks
  • Super Spicy Curry (Item): Double the effects of all Jokers for 3 Rounds
  • Assist Trophy (Item): Create 1 Perishable Fighter Joker
  • Restock (Item): Destroy one Joker and replace it with a Fighter Joker
  • Pokeball (item): Move one Joker to the Consumables area
  • Party Balloon (item): Create 5 random Negative Consumables
  • Sandbag (item): Gain 1 Hand and 1 Discard for 3 Rounds
  • Bomb (item): Destroy all Jokers except Fighter Jokers and gain the same number of Hands and Discards for 3 Rounds
  • Trophy Stand (item): Destroy all Fighter Jokers and gain the same number of random Spectral Cards
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Once all Fighters are unlocked, you won't get Challenger Packs.
(Some) Fighters have a lifespan for the Joker once their effect is activated (or a number of times it can be activated). Spirit Set resets that lifespan (I would want it to make Instant ones have one free use), and also applies to Jokers that degrade over time.

rain cloud
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interesting

primal talon
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New batch in about an hour

primal talon
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Help me out with rarity

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I have no idea how to classify these rarities.

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I think Mewtwo is probably just gonna be an Uncommon.

rain cloud
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YL: Uncommon
Dorf: Rare/Epic
Mewtwo: Rare
Roy: Rare
Chrom: Uncommon/Rare (because it's kinda hard to control when your'e on fire or not, same with Roy, but at least he gives Editions)
G&W: Rare (basically could guarantee a FoaK)
MK: Uncommon/Common (usually will only gain +40 Chips and +8 Mult)
Pit: Uncommon
Dark Pit: Uncommon

primal talon
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You really think YL is just Uncommon, given the long-game implications with a 2s build?

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2s is actually not that bad of a build if you devote to it.

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Also I don't think Mewtwo is strong enough to be a Rare, but that's just me.

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If you just leave his FS alone, yeah, he'd merit Rare, but if you plan to actually use his FS to balance out your game a bit more, then he'd be an Uncommon.
Which, come to think of it, yeah, he merits Rare, since you're probably not going to use his FS very often and will likely only use him as a protection mechanic...

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I think I'll change his passive so that he's not so overpowered.

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I'm minorly insulted at the suggestion that MK would be Common, but at the same time that makes me happy because Meta Knight should be everyone's favorite because he was GOD in Brawl.

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I also may have a bad tendency to panic SideB in moments of stress.

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And I hate that they took away my boy's glide and gave it to STEVE of all people.

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How about this

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@boreal flower

boreal flower
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oo pog

primal talon
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Get threaded

boreal flower
primal talon
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HA

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Hang on lemme just...

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Batch 1

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Batch 2

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Batch 3

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Batch 4

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Batch 5 coming soon

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elder basalt
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what da hell

primal talon
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This is planning

elder basalt
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dang

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i dont even plan out my mod before putting in the work

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😭

primal talon
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I have no idea how to put in the work so I do all the planning so that someone else gets the joy of completing a list.

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Oh, btw, if you'd like to make this mod, I can finish designing the roster and the bosses (Legendaries) and then work on making the card arts.

elder basalt
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im already working on a pretty tedious project already...

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Absolutely zero expectations.

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It's just an idea.

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Eventually I'll be able to make it myself.

elder basalt
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yeah, i actually suggest you learn modding yourself ❤️

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its not that hard to grasp the basics

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It'll just take forever for me to get to that level 😂 especially given that it adds an entire new mechanic to the game.

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Must... make... new... batch...

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I don't have the brain cells to interpret final smashes into relevant effects for Balatro tonight. Maybe tomorrow.

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NEW BATCH

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and it's a big one this time.

rain cloud
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ike: would it split before or after scoring? cause if it was before you could get crazy hands like ten of a kind

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The nine only splits if it's unscored, so it would split after scoring.

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Basically it would have the same effect as destroying a nine and adding three threes to your deck.

rain cloud
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also idk if youve made some already but maybe sprinkle in some more jokers that arent pure scoring? some money jokers and the like could be interesting to design

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ah i see

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i think that would be pretty good then, worthy of a rare

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I've put a tad bit of econ in some of them, but yeah, I should try making a few of them more econ intensive.

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a few have econ-heavy finals, but I don't tend to focus on econ as much, shortcoming of mine that I'm aware of.

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Dr. Mario is econ tho.

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Nope, no he's not, he's augment.

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Luigi has econ in his Misfire (gives $20)
Ness has econ in his Final (gives double sell value of all Jokers, but destroys them)
Meta Knight has a tiny bit of econ in his Final (gives $5/destroyed Joker, up to $15)
Lucas has the same econ as Ness, but can be considerably stronger ($5/destroyed card, dependent on hand size)

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That's uh...

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that's it...

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Yeah I should put more econ in.

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But we're only halfway through, and the weird and hard-to-translate fighters will be considerably easier to turn into econ.

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Olimar is going to get so much love from me, bro is going to get a whole little Pikmin army that can do all SORTS of things, including econ
Villager is going to have econ applications
Wii Fit Trainer is going to get econ emphasis because Wii Fit Trainer was MEANT to be a JOKE fighter
I can make Mega Man have multiple modes as a nod to his source material, one of those being econ
Steve is going to be ENORMOUSLY econ driven because you have to be stocked up to be a competent Steve

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I have econ plans now.

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Let's goooooo

rain cloud
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oo

primal talon
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No new batch tonight, I'm gonna devote an hour to my other fixation and then spend some time doing me stuff.

primal talon
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New batch coming tonight.

primal talon
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And since that Olimar thing seems pretty vague, here's the specifics

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I also reworked the charge times and effect charges of a few older ones as well, just to make them more compatible with Spirit Set (which I will fully conceptualize later)

primal talon
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I either need to bump Toon Link to a Rare or lower the uses on his FS

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compromise, I'm limiting uses to 6 and bumping to Rare

rain cloud
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For the pikmin, maybe you should make it so they can't be negative

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+2 Joker Slots would be insane

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Also for Lucario does that have a max or can you get an infinite amount of hands? Also, do those hands go away if you sell Lucario?

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R.O.B. could be uncommon because usually you want to play hands with 5 cards

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I feel like for Wolf I would word it as "Gain 3 Mult per remaining Discard" just so it's simpler

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unless it gives XMult in which case its "Gain X3 Mult per remaining discard"

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rain cloud
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Good point.

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I'll reword that.

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I'll get back to this, I swear, I've just been busy having a weekend.

primal talon
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New batch should be coming tomorrow night if I can make that happen

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Apparently I could not make it happen.
I'll do that first thing in the [relevant time data] (which is when I wake up, anywhere from morning to late afternoon).

primal talon
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Holy crap so this batch had some DOING to get done

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Now there are two more stat blocks to share.

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Pac-Man first

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And now Robin

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Note that on Thunder Tome, it's a list of the probabilities on a set result list, not a list of different chance checks.
In other words, one of the effects WILL trigger EVERY time, but ONLY one of the effects will trigger, with Thoron (x10 Mult) being the rarest and Thunder (+4 Mult) being the most common.

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I shall prepare and send a new batch after work tomorrow, provided I can find the time and my girlfriend doesn't stay over (that last part may not actually keep me from doing it, but it's disorienting to be repeatedly called a nerd while I'm trying to think 😂)

primal talon
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It may have become clear but the girlfriend did indeed keep me from doing it 😂

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You deserve a double batch tonight.

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Batch 8

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And Shulk's Monado

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And the rest of the base roster, next batch or two will be the DLC fighters.

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Incineroar is to Mr. Bones as Disengagement is to Ygdar Orus Li Ox

rain cloud
rain cloud
# primal talon And Shulk's Monado

Also i feel like all 3 of those effects for speed would be too much, especially for the cost of just one hand. Maybe having it focus more on chips than the other effects would balance it out

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primal talon
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I'm gonna do the DLC fighters tomorrow, but I'm updating Inkling and tamping down Monado a bit tonight.

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Speed: +1,000 Chips per Card used in some way this Round (counts Discard, Play, Destroy, Copy, Enhance, Edition, and Seal - basically if a Card had an interaction, it adds to the counter)

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Third Hand of Round, after using Recyclomancy up (5 Discards of 5 Cards each), using Empress to Mult two Cards, getting Hierophant and Magician from Emperor and enhancing two Cards each, and using the Deja Vu from seance triggering on the straight flush on hand 2, that's...
+47,000 chips, assuming a five card hand. And that's no Mult.

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Maxed Smash: +15 Mult, +20 Mult, x1.5 Mult, total of +52.5 Mult from Smash and x1.5 to all other Mult

Maxed Buster: +50 Mult, x3 Mult, total of +150 Mult from Buster and x3 to all other Mult

Maxed Shield: (assuming 2,3,3,4,5 with Fingers) +500 Chips, +100 Mult

Maxed Jump: (assuming A,K,Q,Q,J with Fingers, all suits present) +500 Chips, x25 to all Mult

Maxed Speed: TBA (like a LOT of chips, really)

primal talon
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I do find it very amusing that you've pointed out all those balancing issues and then just didn't comment at all on how much I've made Incineroar an absolutely BROKEN upgrade to Mr. Bones

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Cause that's 5 essentially free lost Blinds with the only risk being that your deck gets thinned down to only NOTABLY OVERPOWERED versions of cards you've already used.

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The Pillar would MURDER you if Vengeance capped in the Big Blind

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SSBU Jokers (WIP/Concept)

elder basalt
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this is like a secret bunker 😭

primal talon
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A choice was made and I ran with said choice

rain cloud
rain cloud
# primal talon I do find it very amusing that you've pointed out all those balancing issues and...

i usually try to judge the mods standalone rather than how it would be balanced with vanilla in mind, because that's how i did my mod and i would assume that such a large content mod like this would "replace" the vanilla ones (i.e. like the Pokermon way where there's a setting to not allow cards from the base game and do Pokermon only)
but if it's with base game in mind then yeah these ones would be pretty op compared to the vanilla ones (which is why i assume you put the lifetime part in there for balancing)

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And it's completely unavoidable. Once you have it, Vengeance is running, and all it takes is 5 rounds at 50% or higher to kill Incineroar.

rain cloud
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me with my two mr. bones clones:

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wonder if i should make dry bones another mr. bones clone

lime vigil
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cereal when no haves milk

primal talon
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Wh-

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What

lime vigil
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dry

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welp, guess it's time to do the DLC fighters

lime vigil
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looking cool joker!

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And with that, the ENTIRE roster is done

lime vigil
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neat

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And probably in the least efficient way possible, I've now arranged the spreadsheet in rarity order

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i think for pirahna plant you'd have to define what a dark and light suit are in like a little blurb (unless it's more like black and red because those are more accurate to poker cards)

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i find it interesting that the arms have different effects for each arm, but a part of me wants to say in a different edition of this mod that you just have one effect for each arm type because that way you can mix and match more easily (but honestly im tempted to let you keep it because its fun)

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i also think that for this mod it would be beneficial to have the definitions of what happens when a Joker is exhausted, dies, and the differences between its normal and final smash ability are (and the activation requirements)

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lime vigil
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so it's just black and red

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And should come with an API for other modders to classify their suits as light or dark - for example, Stars from Six Suits would be light while Moons would be dark, Colors from Ink and Color would be light while Inks would be dark, etc.
Essentially, yes, it's just black and red, but if there's more than just black and red suits, THEN it's dark and light.

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Aight so for Legendaries I was thinking Crazy/Master Hand, Galeem/Dharkon, and Tabuu. Should I include any other bosses as Legendaries?

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Also should I split Crazy/Master and Galeem/Dharkon or should they be on the same Jokers?

rain cloud
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you should split both of them. you might also wanna include:

  1. Giga Bowser
  2. Dracula
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    basically all the bosses you can fight in Ultimate, like Marx and Ganon and stuff (unless you feel like the bosses of characters already represented don't need a boss joker, in that case, just omit those)
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Character bosses don't need extra entries, but I'll add more bosses yeah.

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Thinking about adding Duon and Tabuu

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Duon would have a flipping mechanic, Tabuu would just... be... well... god.