As shown in video plus in title Madness still triggers the scaling despite it being the only joker. for easy testing im using a seeded run. Seed: UHLW82W1
The language does say gain X0.5 Mult, and destory another random joker so it might not be a bug. However, it feels like the mult shouldn't scale if no other jokers are present or else madness doesn't really have a cost until you have your build set up :/
#Madness Joker's scaling mult still triggers despite not having any other Jokers to sacrifice
clever sandal
Madness Joker's scaling mult still triggers despite not having any other Jokers to sacrifice https:/
Madness Joker's scaling mult still triggers despite not having any other Jokers to sacrifice
vivid wolf
Madness does not work like Ceremonial dagger. Madness doesn't need to eat to grow intentionally. Not a bug
clever sandal
I had a feeling but felt like it I should mention it just in case thank you !!
vernal ivy
Madness does not work like Ceremonial dagger. Madness doesn't need to eat to gro...
Is it a bug that ceremonial dagger doesn't work like madness?
vivid wolf
no, dagger specifically takes the sell value, madness grows irrespective of other jokers. The drawback of Madness is that it will destroy any jokers that you hold
a powerful scaling xmult held back slightly by it effectively nerfing how many jokers you can hold
vernal ivy
I mean like, in the case that dagger is next to an eternal joker, it doesn't destroy it (obviously) but it also doesn't gain mult
vivid wolf
correct, both jokers are working as intended
vernal ivy
Even though it's worded in the same way as Madness that it's two separate events
Okay intended behavior but just written poorly
vivid wolf
not necessarily, dagger and madness have their effects ordered differently
dagger has the destroy effect first, then as a result of that destruction it gains mult
madness grows and then destroys, and the growth is dependent on selecting a blind
vernal ivy
Hmm okay that's more reasonable
But still ambiguous on the Dagger
would be cool if it could freely mooch off eternals
vivid wolf
would be a tad broken with egg, as it is gaining way too much per blind
vernal ivy
Oooh that'd be a fun synergy
vivid wolf
new fastest scaling +mult
vernal ivy
That sounds awesome lol
A tad broken but doesn't sound too bad
Esp being exclusive to black stake+
vivid wolf
dagger is good enough as is, I typically get it to 100+ mult in a gold stake run and that's already better than most +mults. it just costs a lot
removing the cost aspect would create a decent amount of imbalance
vernal ivy
You seem to be better with dagger than I am
vivid wolf
all scalers happen to have a condition that needs to be met. Removing that condition entirely is not a great idea
vivid wolf
You seem to be better with dagger than I am
it's mainly about managing econ. and not taking liquidation as a voucher
+4 to +6 a blind is reasonable as most commons sell for $2 and there are a few that sell for $3 which means you can scale it reasonably quick (+4 for a $2 sell value and +6 for a $3)