Balatro Mod Manager is now out! 🎉

[stuck sparrow]

did not work

[dawn grove]

well, i'll go to sleep now and DM u on how i run the game later

is that ok?

[stuck sparrow]

sounds good

[unborn parrot]

oo

[split turtle]

I can try to help possibly

[dawn grove]

@cunning matrix wdyt of making a separate BMM discord with a general channel and a support threads one

since this thread turned into a debugging and development discussion

[dawn grove]

also hi im having a hard time falling asleep and it's 2am now😢

[wheat wave]

Looks like an improvement to me, though I wasn't the one who requested the change, haha

[stuck sparrow]

if you have any ideas i be up to try them

[stuck sparrow]

rip worse case just rest your eyes

[split turtle]

just to check (this is probably dumb, but just to be sure, you did install lovely, correct?

[dawn grove]

bmm installs lovely for you

[split turtle]

ah alright (I setup the modding before realizing that bmm worked on linux lol

[lyric tendon]

lol this looks like fucking shit

not anti ai

just looks ugly!

[dawn grove]

the thing im gonna suggest is running the game repacked as a native linux program with lovely builtin

i have a recipe for this, but linking it here will probably get me banned

[split turtle]

suggest to who? (me or refaera? sorry if I'm being stupid)

[dawn grove]

refaera

[split turtle]

ah cool

[dawn grove]

just to bypass all the steam and wine dll shenanigans

[split turtle]

not linux specific, but the ability to sort mods by last updated would be nice

[cunning matrix]

Good Idea. Will create it some day

[dawn grove]

create a feature request on github

otherwise the suggestion will probably be lost & forgotten

[cunning matrix]

Any Ideas on how to implementent this without hitting the github api's rate limit?

Actually

[wheat wave]

Just embed in the index with the version

[cunning matrix]

We could just add a last-updated tag in the json when it ran an auto update

[cunning matrix]

yeah

[stoic vault]

Is there a way to submit or apply for submission of a mod?

[wheat wave]

Would this be for a mod made by you, or by someone else?
Mods can be submitted by pull requests to https://github.com/skyline69/balatro-mod-index. Check the how to publish steps

[stoic vault]

Both, a mod I'm working on I'd like to submit on behalf of the team and also I wanna submit a mod I use

[wheat wave]

For mods made by other people, just check with them first to see if they're happy for their mod to be included. Makes things simpler and keeps everyone happy

[stoic vault]

alright ill get into contact

[lyric tendon]

some1 add mobile draggin to this shit pls

[robust scaffold]

Has anyone had luck installing the linux version on a steam deck? I tried for a few hours yesterday and just kept hitting brick walls. Not the least of which being I know very little about Linux lol

[stuck sparrow]

BMM or the game?

[robust scaffold]

BMM

[stuck sparrow]

not yet on my end BMM will not launch the game but BMM launches

[mystic saddle]

Is the extra credit mod in here? I dont see it

[mystic saddle]

also, is it possible to disable mods in the mod manager like you can in the mods tab in-game? It keeps crashing otherwise

[wheat wave]

Not currently, though it's a feature that's been requested a couple times, and wouldn't be too hard to add

[mystic saddle]

that would save a world of trouble

[dawn grove]

BalatroMultiplayer now loads itself using nativefs so it expects its dir to be called BalatroMultiplayer but since its smods id is Multiplayer BMM saves it in Multiplayer

which leaves it broken

not sure if the smods id and the BMM index id have to be the same, but if they don't i'll make a PR to the index

[wheat wave]

Easy to fix. If you make a PR to change the folderName I can approve it right away

[dawn grove]

there's a folderName, that's neat thank you

[wheat wave]

I wish more mod devs would do a search for their mod folders instead of expecting a specific name

I also wish Lovely would provide the current directory of the mod being loaded so that searching wouldn't be necessary at all, but 🤷‍♂️

[dawn grove]

i honestly don't know what's wrong with requires

they're very flexible and their search paths can be modified

not sure what started the "searching for ur own source code" trend

[wheat wave]

That's true, I agree they're the better option. That's what I've used for both of my mods

[dawn grove]

wait ur the author of SystemClock & DismissAlert, right? great mods

[vagrant plover]

yeah I have no idea why people don't think it's a problem that their mod needs a specific name

[dawn grove]

just remembered something:
average arch experience, ran pacman -Syu and can no longer run the game's dev env🫡

[ocean meadow]

I'm out of the loop I guess. Why are people searching for their own mod names?

[dawn grove]

a lot of popular mods use nativefs to read and load lua files from their mods

i assume instead of structuring the paths to match requires or updating require's search paths

[ocean meadow]

Nativefs doesn't use relative filenames?

[winged kite]

The base filename mods have is the mod directory, not the mods specific directory.

[ocean meadow]

Ah. That doesn't seem very intuitive

[winged kite]

Not sure why we're picking recognizable mod names and not using that to narrow down which folder to check but something something competing mod standards.

[winged kite]

This can happen pretty easily since SMODS redoing how it loads and reads files is going to be forced if we want a version to work for Gamepass.

[vagrant plover]

also, which version of multiplayer has this issue? 🤔

[winged kite]

And that would have to be on lovely's end

[vagrant plover]

can't seem to make it crash on startup with either the latest release or latest commit

[wheat wave]

There is a kind of weird culture of carelessness and apathy about programming best practices in this modding community that I haven't really seen in other mod communities before. Sometimes i feel like the only person who cares about proper versioning and stable releases, for example...
Maybe it's a result of Lua drawing in more amateur programmers with only prior experience with Roblox or ComputerCraft? The average age of mod devs seems to trend pretty young

[winged kite]

People see one mod doing something and then follow it because they don't really know how to do it any other way.

It's why some mods have object_type = "Joker" in their joker declarations, even though this is completely useless outside of Cryptid.

[vagrant plover]

I think it's more about people who haven't programmed professionally/as a team before jumping into balatro modding (that includes me) and just not knowing about a lot of good practices and issues that can come with not following them

[dawn grove]

i think starting from 0.2.2

ive only installed it from BMM today

[winged kite]

I think a lot of older mods did this with Talisman and thus a bunch of mods that don't search properly and just assume it has an exact name in the mods folder.

[vagrant plover]

Talisman couldn't still can't find itself if not named "Talisman", no?

[vagrant plover]

Weird, seems to boot up fine for me even with the folder being named "MyMod(1) - Copy"

[wheat wave]

Yep

if not nativefs.getInfo(lovely.mod_dir .. "/Talisman") then
    error(
        'Could not find proper Talisman folder.\nPlease make sure the folder for Talisman is named exactly "Talisman" and not "Talisman-main" or anything else.')
end

[wheat wave]

Latest version of Multiplayer 0.2.4 released like 10 minutes ago uses the better SMODS approach:

MP = SMODS.current_mod
...
local files = NFS.getDirectoryItems(MP.path .. "/" .. directory)

[dawn grove]

it prints a graphical warning that the folder is wrong instead of crashing

not much better🤷

[dawn grove]

and by "it" i mean the main branch 15 minutes ago, maybe they behave differently

[vagrant plover]

the current release from ~10 min ago is the same as the main branch

[wheat wave]

Yeah, I can't find any indication that it wouldn't work if not named "BalatroMultiplayer" either. Is this a Linux-specific fault?

I'll look into how SMODS determines current_mod.path

[dawn grove]

huh🤔🤔

maybe🤷

this is the warning i saw

if not SMODS.current_mod.lovely then
    G.E_MANAGER:add_event(Event({
        no_delete = true,
        trigger = "immediate",
        blockable = false,
        blocking = false,
        func = function()
            if G.MAIN_MENU_UI then
                MP.UTILS.overlay_message(
                    MP.UTILS.wrapText(
                        "Your Multiplayer Mod is not loaded correctly, make sure the Multiplayer folder does not have an extra Multiplayer folder around it.",
                        50
                    )
                )
                return true
            end
        end,
    }))
    return
end

[vagrant plover]

Oh. That is not an issue with the multiplayer folder being named wrongly, that's an issue with it being nested

this happened with the BMM installed version?

[dawn grove]

yes

i fixed it by renaming the dir tho

idk maybe something else was wrong, i was neither trying to play the game or install multiplayer, was just testing lovely love runtime things

[vagrant plover]

🤔

[wheat wave]

I suspect lovely shenanigans. If you rename it now to a random string, does it fail?

[dawn grove]

nope, renamed it back to Multiplayer and checked in the same VM and it worked

also tried older releases

so it's nothing with the mod's code indeed

[winged kite]

not SMODS.current_mod.lovely checks if the mod is a "lovely" mod, so this is really strange that renaming the file suddenly works.

[wheat wave]

So something unrelated caused Multiplayer's lovely patches to fail, but that's just the error message that it spits out when its lovely module hasn't loaded properly

[dawn grove]

yeah

[wheat wave]

Would you mind popping up another PR to revert the Multiplayer folder name change? Better to keep the name the same for most users if possible -- i'm not sure how smart BMM is about folderName differences, it's possible that it'll start creating multiple side-by-side installs

[dawn grove]

https://github.com/skyline69/balatro-mod-index/pull/186

well, sorry for the noise then

[wheat wave]

No worries, we got to set a new fastest PR -> merge speed record

[dawn grove]

i have a github achievement related to this

but in a private repo

[mystic saddle]

is there any saturn mod patch that plays nice with the current stuff in cryptid?

[wheat wave]

This might not be the right thread for that, #⚙・modding-general is probably a better fit, but have you tried https://github.com/OceanRamen/Saturn/releases

[mystic saddle]

is this someone else's take on saturn?

[wheat wave]

Sort of, it was picked up by SleepyG11 after OceanRamen ducked out. They've fixed up most of the major conflicts in the last couple weeks

[mystic saddle]

siick

[mystic saddle]

I just installed it and it's yelling at me with cryptid saying "unresolved conflicts: Saturn"

is something about lovely conflicting?

[wheat wave]

Ah, looks like Cryptid has just marked all versions of Saturn as incompatible, that's a bit rude. I've just tested it and they seem to cooperate fine.
You can manually override the conflict by going to %AppData%/Balatro/Mods/Cryptid, opening up Cryptid.json and changing line 18 from

"Saturn",
```to
```json
"Saturn (<<0.2.2)",

[wheat wave]

Though there are reports from people saying that Saturn causes negative consumables to crash, and they recommend using Incantation instead of Saturn when playing with Cryptid

[mystic saddle]

k this is me being dumb, but where do you download from here?

[wheat wave]

You're not dumb, their release system is. Download the whole collection from the main page with Code --> Download ZIP, then just copy out the Incantation folder

[mystic saddle]

so each individually then throw it in my own file?

[wheat wave]

Ping me in #⚙・modding-general if you've got any other issues, this thread is for BMM

[dawn grove]

just realised i haven't played balatro for weeks, since i got into the BMM linux thing i've had no time for my mod or the game itself

it's fun tho

[bleak rapids]

Hey I just started trying to mod balatro using the version.dll method, but the game doesn't seem to recognize the presence of any mods
Can anyone help me figure out what went wrong?

[wheat wave]

#⚙・modding-general message

[dawn grove]

@cunning matrix this is what the appimage generated by tauri-action looks like

in the mint VM

on nixos it doesn't launch at all

i think i can get the VM to run on the gpu to prove whether or not the background animation is broken

but meehhhh

here's what my v0.2.4+good-css build looks like (renders better than tauri-action and is as slow)

hello @stuck sparrow, could you enable the background animation from the settings and let us know if it's slow on your mint install? no problems if u don't want to tho

i honestly think that "good-css" release works fine on ubuntu derivatives, but don't wanna install ubuntu on real hardware because my boot disk is ~50GB

[stuck sparrow]

runs smoothly on my end

[dawn grove]

thanks

@cunning matrix ^ looks like the issue has been solved on sane linux setups, only you and i have these issues, and i think mine is fixed in the nix flake too (haven't used that in so long since u hate it and i want to test what u think is relevant)

tho there were others testing on arch

@hidden nexus hellooo, does BMM still work well for u with nix run ...? could u enable the background animation and let us know if it's slow or not?

[placid coral]

For testing I believe WSL has GPU acceleration(?)

[dawn grove]

i only use nixos and virtual machines

[placid coral]

https://github.com/nix-community/NixOS-WSL

But reasonable

[dawn grove]

this is a project for running nixos in wsl, i already run nixos on my hardware and im trying to get someone to test on an ubuntu-derivative

i can try to get gpu acceleration working in the VM tho

[dawn grove]

oh, the person i asked about their nix install is just using the nix package manager on arch to run a build tweaked specifically for non-nixos setups, that's where the confusion came from

[cunning matrix]

I can't believe it. I tried it on ubuntu & Arch. Both with the same results

[dawn grove]

last update u gave is that it doesn't launch at all

is this still the case for u? what errors are emitted in the logs then?

[cunning matrix]

Wdym, it launches?

[dawn grove]

this was ur last update here

and this

[cunning matrix]

nah this was fixed

[cunning matrix]

I mean that it ran well

They all ran like shit

[dawn grove]

maybe it's trash on ur specific nvidia gpu

(if it is nvidia)

[cunning matrix]

Could be

It's a 2070 super

[dawn grove]

could u show us ur inxi -G?

[cunning matrix]

But it could maybe also be the shitty webkitgtk browser

[cunning matrix]

I'm not on Linux rn

[dawn grove]

id honestly just say fuck it we ball and merge the code
i fear we're breaking a lot of stuff on other platform through the conditional comp macros the repo is currently littered with

[cunning matrix]

With the current state of the code, we can't merge anything rn

[dawn grove]

and that we'll continue to obliviously do this until the linux branch is unmergable

[dawn grove]

it can be cleaned up and all mentions of linux are removed from the readme / docs

just how lovely does it

[cunning matrix]

All the other platforms are broken currently

[cunning matrix]

We need to fix the launching issue too.

[dawn grove]

it's caused by instances of this, i added a comment about it in the pr that introduced the change. although having variable argument count per-platform is ok in rust itself, looks like the tauri::command macro trips over it

all conditional comp is ok to remove here, and actually almost all conditional comp i used in all tauri commands can be omitted since the extra argument i added is an Option and does the non-linux thing when set to None

also i deliberately avoided having variable function signatures per-platform everywhere except in tauri commands (thinking it's fine since they're kinda managed and u don't pass that state struct urself)

anyways, will make a PR to fix this👍

[dawn grove]

i always knew the rust compilation time memes were true but i hate that BMM compiles in 10 minutes on my machine

[umbral bluff]

uhm i got this erorr lovely doesnt want to instla idk no why but i use the mod laoder

wait maybe i should run it with no mods only steam modded and lovely

[wheat wave]

10/10 profile picture, best dragon, full marks.
This is because you have Lovely 0.6.0, need to update to 0.7.1.
Have you installed Lovely before?

[umbral bluff]

huh owh where is the download for lovely again

[umbral bluff]

yes once but that was begingin of the year

i think i found ti this one right https://github.com/ethangreen-dev/lovely-injector/releases/tag/v0.7.1

okay il instal it and delte the 0.6.0 version

[wheat wave]

• Install Lovely v0.7.1 version.dll into C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Balatro
• Delete dwmapi.dll in that same folder IF it's there
• Restart the game

[umbral bluff]

oki doki

do i also delte lovely out my mods folder

[wheat wave]

No need for that, that's just a folder for log files

[umbral bluff]

owh okay

uhm wtf

i guess balatro is protect but why

why do i need administrator acces to chage the dill

[wheat wave]

Hmm, that's probably why BMM wasn't able to replace it. Try deleting version.dll first

[umbral bluff]

okay

that worked thanks

my fing macaffe removed it ugh

[wheat wave]

Yep, you'll need to temporarily disable your antivirus, put Lovely in, then go into your antivirus settings and add version.dll to the whitelist or list of exceptions

[umbral bluff]

i added it to the whitelist but it said no whitelist getting reverted f you no version dill for you

[wheat wave]

Haha, okay. You'll have to look up a guide for adding exceptions in McAfee, I don't know much about that

[umbral bluff]

no i added ti as exception but was no we protect you no exceptioning this file

@wheat wave got this error anygeuse as to what is causing it

hopefully found ti it hink it wad the Entropy

mod

it was that mod okay yippe

it crashed againt hsi time its the yu gi oh mod ugh i was wanting to play that mod

[dawn grove]

u have too many mods, don't install them on top of each other

[wheat wave]

I don't think there are any known major issues with that. Try cutting down your mod list a bit - especially for content mods, start small, then add slowly onto that

[umbral bluff]

only 11 pages of mods okay not to much

[umbral bluff]

i used to run 6 pages fine had a descent mod pack goign that i mad emy self i could try to remake it but idk

sized it down to 9 pages but msot of the mdos are frameworks

[wheat wave]

I'm saying remove them all, then add them just a few at a time, starting and testing the game every few mods you add, just to check what works and what doesn't

[umbral bluff]

nah i do the other way around

but probaly also gona play a diffirent game cuz that game jsut got the biggest update since release

what mod is called expandinhandabileties i can find it but i need to uninstal it

[vagrant plover]

looks like... either JellyMod or LushMod

[umbral bluff]

uhm i got hem both not installes

[sudden timber]

whats the difference between incantation and saturn

[mint arch]

does this program overwrite your save files when you launch it? i cant find my old saves

[wheat wave]

Incantation adds only consumable stacking, Saturn also adds an Animation skipping feature, Pausing after scoring, and Hide played cards in the deck viewer

[sudden timber]

ah gotcha ty

[mint arch]

nevermind it was just cryptid

[wheat wave]

It shouldn't have touched them. They'll be located at %AppData%/Balatro/1, 2 and 3. If you've installed Cryptid, though, it creates new save profiles at M1, M2 and M3 and leaves your old ones untouched to avoid corrupting them

[hidden nexus]

the nix way still works for me on arch. the background animation is very slow on arch.

anything else?

[dawn grove]

thanks, could u give this binary try: https://github.com/janw4ld/balatro-mod-manager/releases/download/v0.2.4%2Bgood-css/Balatro.Mod.Manager_0.2.5_amd64.AppImage
it's self contained, u just download and run it (or maybe it needs chmod +x first)

[hidden nexus]

oh, I already downloaded that one from the fork on the GitHub. I didn't even realize which version of the manager I was downloading. It is still slow there too.

[cunning matrix]

@dawn grove Ahh you see. So it's not just us

[young star]

I'll pop this over here too, only started getting this error with mod manger so maybe here can help

Current mod list:

Local:
Cheesy Jokers
Item Remover
Jank Jonklers
Run Reviewer
Joker Evolution
Kuso Modpack
Mika's Mods
Myst's Jokers
Ortalab
Spicy Jokers
Tessaract
UnStable

Mod Manager Catalog:
Betmma Mods
Bunco
Card Sleeves
Cartomancer
Cryptid
Galdur
Highest Priestess
Multiplayer
Neato Jokers
Steammodded
Talisman

[wet moth]

i don't think the mod manager should cause anything like this

if theres an issue itll happen within the app

[cunning matrix]

This is not related to the mod manager at all. The mods that you are using are causing this. Try to remove all of em and start by installing each mod and running the game by combining multiple mods until you hit the error. Then you'll see what's causing this issue

[young star]

Alrighty, thank you!!

[cunning matrix]

@wheat wave @vagrant plover Is there anyway to specify which mods should be loaded to Balatro when using lovely? Like an argument which you can pass to lovely.

[vagrant plover]

there's no argument afaik, but you can create a .lovelyignore file in the mod's folder

that will prevent lovely and smods from loading the mod, and is also what smods does internally when you disable a mod ingame through the mod menu

[cunning matrix]

Ahh nice

Makes things much easier

And how is this structured? Could you give me sources for it if possible?

[vagrant plover]

I can give you a link to the smods code that does this?

[cunning matrix]

Nvm I found it

[cunning matrix]

Nvm, lovelyignore should be in mods right?

[vagrant plover]

In the folder of the mod you want to disable

[cunning matrix]

Ah I see

[vagrant plover]

And it should include the ., like .git

[cunning matrix]

Alr thanks

Alr got the enable/disable thing working now

@vagrant plover this alright?

or should I only do this for mods in the catalog

[vagrant plover]

Hmm, I'm not sure. Might be hard to intuit what a checkmark is supposed to mean there?

What does it look like on mods installed through BMM?

Is it like the first screenshot?

[cunning matrix]

yes

Do you have any ideas on how else it could be communicated to the user?

[vagrant plover]

Maybe I'm reading too much into it and it's obvious enough though, let's see what other people think

[ocean meadow]

Is the checkmark to enable the mod, or does it mean it's currently enabled?

[cunning matrix]

It's currently enabled

[wheat wave]

I'm not sure what kind of UI presets are available to you in Tauri, but something more closely resembling a classic checkbox or toggle slider would be much more clear than a simple button.

[cunning matrix]

that's a good idea

like this?

[vagrant plover]

wait is that enabled or disabled

[cunning matrix]

disabled now

this is enabled

[ocean meadow]

Might not be colorblind accessible to use the same icon just greyed out

[vagrant plover]

I'm not sure that is what breeze meant

[cunning matrix]

So an "X" then?

[wheat wave]

Not very clear. Doesn't resemble a checkbox, still looks like a button like the others. See if you're able to make a two-state slider in your UI library.
Moving it away from the other buttons and next to the mod name might also help to distinguish it as something that is acting "on" the mod directly, too

[ocean meadow]

I think something like .slideThree in the image Breeze posted is probably a better idea

[cunning matrix]

so this

[cunning matrix]

There is no space for the slider

[wheat wave]

Personally I'd interpret an icon with an X as a way to remove the mod, and feel confused by the garbage bin icon

[cunning matrix]

What else other than the slider then

[lusty totem]

button that just OFF/ON

[cunning matrix]

I was about to say the same thing

Good

[vagrant plover]

a slider like this would probably work really well, if it fits 🤔

[cunning matrix]

This is good I think

[ocean meadow]

Maybe separate Enabled/Disabled mods so they aren't mixed in together

Show Enabled mods above, and Disabled mods below. Could be divided up like the local/downloaded mods are separated idk

[vagrant plover]

Yeah thats alright

I was going to suggest graying out the mod instead of seperating, but that works too

[dawn grove]

looks ass

there should be a list view too

the grid is too cluttered

[cunning matrix]

wdym?

It looks like this rn btw @dawn grove

[dawn grove]

imo, given the 4~5 buttons that are duplicated for each mod, a list view with all buttons separated from mod cards should be available or even the default, and the ability to multiselect from a list and batch update/disable/remove should be available

^ this is what my favorite minecraft launcher does, it's a native Qt app so it copies your system's theme too (none of that tauri & web slop)

[ocean meadow]

I love Prism Launcher

[cunning matrix]

Yeah I was thinking about moving to QT too, but it's too late now

And there is no way you can make the UI look like in BMM

[dawn grove]

yeah, and the toolkit doesn't really matter i was just being annoying

but adding a list view would be great for UX

[cunning matrix]

I will add it later

current state

[winter inlet]

i was wondering how to download mods off the manager

because its just saying i dont have steam modded when i do to play jens almenac and such mods

[cunning matrix]

Download steamodded through the mod manager

It's a mod

[winter inlet]

gotcha thank you

[wheat wave]

"Steamodded" is a pretty confusing name for a modding library, I think Steamo might not have fully thought it through when he picked the name.

[vagrant plover]

I believe that is indeed one of the reasons it is now often referred to as "smods"

[naive laurel]

just tried out the manager and it says this when i press launch, any help?

i already had lovely and steamodded installed manually before this, maybe it's because of that?

welp i reinstalled balatro from steam and it seems to work now

[hidden nexus]

Just to let you know it is because you had a preexisting mod folder and/or lively was already installed

[vagrant plover]

^ you had a pre-existing version of lovely that was too old for one of your mods

reinstalling balatro deleted the old version of lovely, and BMM automatically installed the latest lovely, fixing your crash

[cunning matrix]

New release guys: https://balatro-mod-manager.dasguney.com/download

(Finally with a pipeline)

[wet moth]

guessing i just have to uninstall and then download this one to update right

unless its simpler

[cunning matrix]

@wheat wave https://github.com/skyline69/balatro-mod-manager/issues/187

[dawn grove]

the way i do this is point the .git-index file at my repo and delete all caches, then find the mod im trying to add and see how it looks in BMM

but a better idea would be to use github pages to deploy the mod's page to a "BMM preview" app where users can click a link and see how their mod will look when merged

not sure if the code for that page is modular enough to be split out and deployed as a separate or not tho

[cunning matrix]

Would we need a backend part for this when doing this? Like, if a user wants to publish their mod, they could instead use the "publish mod" page and we could use the oAuth of GitHub to automatically fork and create a Pull Request to the mod index automatically? Do you think something like this would be possible?

If this works as a static page, without requiring a backend, this would be great

[dawn grove]

one thing i noticed broke a bunch of mods previews is the lack[?] of image rendering in the markdown, or i think it's more that when someone tries to render their thumbnail.jpg using ![./thumbnail.png] the tauri app searches for that asset in public/ instead of relative to the mod's directory in the index

[cunning matrix]

I don't think images in descriptions is a good idea anyway. It will increase the loading time for the mod manager by a lot and some images are not formatted correctly

[dawn grove]

i think doing it like this won't need BE logic

1. user forks the repo and creates a PR
2. a copy of the mod index is deployed to a new page using gh actions, where the static html+js searches for mod entries in its workdir (the pr's branch)

this will make it a bit weirder UX-wise since the user is still expected to search for their mod(s) to see how they'll look

but is the most convenient thing i can think of, and would easily support the use case for people adding multiple mods at once

[cunning matrix]

No, we could just rebuild the UI from the mod manager on the page, with it being editable, so they can see in realtime, how it would look like

[dawn grove]

got u

then the whole page can be a form they submit then a json and md are created from what they type in

i think there are in-memory zip libraries

[cunning matrix]

exactly

[dawn grove]

that can create archives on static pages

[cunning matrix]

And then?

[dawn grove]

there might be something for git too, or if not we can just write something that uploads the mod as zip to something like https://pomf.lain.la and sends the link somewhere (to a discord channel for example)

and contributors run the PR creation automation on their machines

instead of having a central server

[dawn grove]

just as an initial poc 🤷

https://github.com/isomorphic-git/isomorphic-git
anyways, git client for browsers

[cunning matrix]

But why a zip? Couldn't we just automate the process directly without the need of creating a file and just pass it directly to the index?

[dawn grove]

i meant if it couldn't be automated directly (there are no git clients for the browser) then the zip thing can work

[dawn grove]

but there's one👍

[cunning matrix]

But this would require github user authentification, right?

[dawn grove]

unless

we make a github app u own and that app is what creates the PRs

[cunning matrix]

We could actually implement this

@viral locust Are you in on this?

[dawn grove]

idk if it can be used securely with no backend tho

[cunning matrix]

wdym?

You still need to authenticate via github. It would just be an alternative front-end

[dawn grove]

if the flow is 100% client-side we may have to send the app's tokens to the client at some point so isomorphic-git can push commits

idk, you'll find out when u try to implement it

[cunning matrix]

Are you sure? Because, you don't need access to the tokens when you make a PR anyways?

[dawn grove]

im sure u need either a token or SSH key to push to a branch

instead of avoiding a BE altogether we can try something with a generous free tier

i remember using vercel, planetscale and railway for all my college projects and paying absolutely nothing for them

[cunning matrix]

Yeah but they're not really pushing anything. They are committing on their own fork and making a push request later on (automatically) and we check the PRs then

[cunning matrix]

Having the Mod index on a server like vercel would definetly hit the free plans limit real quick, since there a lot of request being made to the server

[dawn grove]

not the index, just the PR maker page

[cunning matrix]

I was planing on doing this anyways (hosting the mod index on seperate server and not on github) at the point where there is enough financial support for it

[cunning matrix]

Oh I see

But I don't get why you would need a token from github to make a PR with your own Account?

[dawn grove]

ok im not sure anymore tbh, when i suggested a github app i meant the app would own these forks not create them on behalf of users

[cunning matrix]

What you mean by "own"?

[dawn grove]

instead of users giving the app access to their account, so it creates a fork of the index and a PR, the app instead has access to the BMM index repo and creates a new branch and a PR to it

like no user credentials needed at all

this is how i thought of it first, and what i think would require leaking the app tokens to work 100% client side

[cunning matrix]

Btw you don't need to remove your mods all the time anymore. You can just disable them in the latest version of the mod manager now!

[cunning matrix]

I think it would be a better Idea that it would use the accounts of the users. No backend at all and it would also be more safer

[dawn grove]

i think using the users' accounts (from an app) would require a backend but idk, i don't really know how GH apps work

will have to read about that

at my job we use a dedicated user with a classic PAT (created before github apps were a thing) and it does all our automations

ok so

If you want your app to take actions on behalf of a user, you should use a user access token for authentication. This type of request is sometimes called "user-to-server," and it means that the app will be limited by the permissions that have been given to the app as well as the user's permission. With this pattern, the user must authorize the app before the app can take action. For more information, see Authenticating with a GitHub App on behalf of a user.
src

this means when someone logs into the app u can get a token similar to the PATs we use with https git requests and that token can be used to do anything on their behalf

neat and static webpage pilled

[cunning matrix]

So I was thinking about something like this:

    +---------------------------+
    | User Login via GitHub     |
    | OAuth                     |
    +---------------------------+
                |
                v
    +---------------------------+
    | Check if Fork Exists      |
    +---------------------------+
       |                  |
       | Yes              | No
       v                  v
+----------------+   +----------------+
| Create Branch  |   | Create Fork    |
+----------------+   +----------------+
       |                  |
       +------------------+
                |
                v
    +---------------------------+
    | User Creates Metadata     |
    | (description, thumbnail,  |
    | meta.json)                |
    +---------------------------+
                |
                v
    +---------------------------+
    | Commit Metadata to Fork   |
    +---------------------------+
                |
                v
    +---------------------------+
    | Create Pull Request       |
    +---------------------------+
                |
                v
    +---------------------------+
    | Mod Index Maintainer      |
    | Reviews and Merges PR     |
    +---------------------------+

Alright, I'll look into this

[young star]

Wonderful, thank you so much!

[dawn grove]

can u rebase the linux branch so i can release that?

or maybe give me contributor access to rebase the branch myself🥸

[cunning matrix]

I‘m at the gym rn, I‘ll do when I‘m back home

[raw onyx]

when auto-update

like when user is launching outdated version of the manager it says 'Newer Release Detected! Do you want to download it right now?' or sum

[dawn grove]

looks ez too

[noble yoke]

Wasn't there a way to add modpacks for BMM?

[noble yoke]

I was thinking of this https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1339375696254074942

[cunning matrix]

It's not a feature of the mod manager yet. This will be implemented in the feature

[noble yoke]

Kay

[wheat wave]

Yep, I can make some time to try and clarify the Index readme in the next couple of days -- IF you respond to my last readme-related suggestion about guidelines that I sent you 3 weeks ago 😛

[cunning matrix]

Nvm about that. I‘m gonna make a website for this

[wheat wave]

Just catching up on the chat now

[wheat wave]

Yep, definitely important on the misuse and abuse side. If someone misused the App auth to make a million submissions per minute, it would be rate limited or suspended and the owner of the App would be responsible. Per-user authentication removes this possibility

Whoops, meant to reply to the message above yours. Sorry for the ping

[scarlet osprey]

Can I disable and enable modded balatro using this manager? Or is that still not possible without completely removing everything? Since I do like to play completely fresh Balatro between the occasional modded run.

Eh, I'll check myself. I'll just back up my profiles just in case.

Oooh! This is great! It seems to be a completely different profile system.

[raw onyx]

thats literally a thing that was added yesterday 😭

[scarlet osprey]

That's so cool! I choose the perfect time to try out this mod manager, ha! I wasn't going to try mods again until I got completionist+, and I JUST got it a few days ago so I decided it was finally time.

The mod manager dev is doing great work! This is a muuuch better experience than when I tried out cryptid raw a few months back. Took me hours to get it working, and it still had issues.

I should mention I only learned of this mod manager today.

[vagrant plover]

I also feel compelled to say this is a feature of Cryptid, not the manager

[dawn grove]

other mods will still modify your saves (and may break them if they write Talisman numbers in them)

[cunning matrix]

@dawn grove Do you think it would be a good Idea to be able to create/manage seperate profiles in the mod manager?

[dawn grove]

game profiles or mod profiles

i think game profiles are overkill

[cunning matrix]

Both are the same, no?

[dawn grove]

idk what u mean, but mod profiles as in separate collections of mods that users switch, but BMM itself doesn't move or modify the game's saves

[cunning matrix]

No, that's what I was talking about. Moving or modifying the game's saves

[dawn grove]

prismlauncher does that, but i never felt the need for it with balatro tbh

[cunning matrix]

I could reverse engineer the .jkr files so the user would be able to modify the game files

[dawn grove]

they're a gzipped lua file

[cunning matrix]

No way

bruh

Not even serialized binary structures

what an unoptimized way of doing things

anyways

that makes it easier

[wheat wave]

editable plaintext > serialized data in save files, fite me

[dawn grove]

and there's an editor
https://balatro.shorty.systems/

https://github.com/WilsontheWolf/balatro-save-loader
src

[cunning matrix]

I could build this into the mod manager so easily

[wheat wave]

In case you're unaware, there are a couple neat tricks for mod profiles that might make things even easier:
#⚙・modding-general message

Renaming the Balatro.exe, and using the --mod-dir argument with Lovely installed

[dawn grove]

I think moving the 1/ 2/ and 3/ directories out of the save folder would be more than enough

[cunning matrix]

What would be the most optimal way of implementing seperation of modded and vanilla balatro in BMM?

[dawn grove]

imho mv version.dll version.dll.old

keep it simple yada yada

[cunning matrix]

No, I mean having seperate profiles in the game. 3 for modded & 3 for vanilla

[wheat wave]

It would probably also be ideal to use a different AppData folder for maximum separation, most probably by making a symlink of Balatro.exe with a different name

[cunning matrix]

Not possible. Windows doesn't allow programs to make symlinks without admin access & doing some shitty things

[dawn grove]

then make a copy

[cunning matrix]

bruh

[wheat wave]

Ah, pity. Well, it's 55MB, so it's not nothing, but is fine

[dawn grove]

and i think a different executable is in fact the best approach for separating saves

[dawn grove]

does it allow hardlinks tho? i think mklink worked with no extra drivers or admin access

[cunning matrix]

no

I already tried

[cunning matrix]

So, a seperate exectuable with a seperate modded folder and seperate saves

[wheat wave]

Might also be a nice feature to copy over settings.jkr, especially for the Tutorial Completed ☑️ setting

I'm unclear on what the meta.jkr in the root folder stores exactly

[cunning matrix]

Could you check rq?

[dawn grove]

i did

[cunning matrix]

and?

[dawn grove]

it's a list of everything i unlocked

jokers and consumables

[cunning matrix]

I see

Great

[wheat wave]

You mean the one in the root folder, or the one in the save folder?

[dawn grove]

in the saves

i don't have any in the root

[wheat wave]

Ah i'm talking about the root one. In all of my mod profiles that I manage manually, meta.jkr in the root just contains return {}

[cunning matrix]

So, can someone make an Issue for this real quick (Separate Modded Executable, ... & ability to Modify game saves)

[wheat wave]

Huh, interesting

[dawn grove]

lol peek my work chat in the task bar 🙈

[wheat wave]

Now THIS is corporate espionage

Hmm, just deleted the root meta.jkr and it hasn't been recreated. I might have placed it there by mistake at some point, or possibly been generated by an earlier version of SMODS. Nevermind that then, just settings.jkr is all that's necessary

[dawn grove]

https://github.com/skyline69/balatro-mod-manager/issues/190

https://github.com/skyline69/balatro-mod-manager/issues/191
👍

now im thinking of starting a new career trajectory as a product mommy managing JIRA tickets for the team

[cunning matrix]

@dawn grove I know this might be asking too much, but could you make a design in Figma how this should optimally look like?

[dawn grove]

not sure if ur joking or not but i've never used figma in my life (does it even work on linux?)

[cunning matrix]

It's easy. Just create shapes and forms in a colorful way

[wheat wave]

...is this a homework assignment? This feels like a homework assignment

[cunning matrix]

yes it does, it's a web app made using web assembly

[cunning matrix]

It is

(maybe)

@dawn grove You don't have to do it. But you'll get a bad mark if you don't show me your homework

[dawn grove]

it's above the pay grade of a product mommy. don't know of anyone who does design mockups😔😔

[cunning matrix]

@wheat wave Alright this homework is being passed to you then

[wheat wave]

As long as you're cool with it being submitted a full month after the due date like all my uni work was

[cunning matrix]

No, this is way more important than uni

This will grantly impact your life

Hold on

I have a perfect candidate for this

@rare mango here me out

[dawn grove]

wtf is this

[cunning matrix]

It was already fixed

update your changes

[dawn grove]

yeah ik it was fixed, this is the npm deps updater CI logs

will update them manually

[cunning matrix]

yeah yeah ik. I did something wrong in neovim, that's why this symbol appeared

[dawn grove]

<c-v> then random keys

[cunning matrix]

Ok before I do the design then, I need to know which components are of which type(boolean, number, text, ...) and which values can be edited which ones are crucial and so on and so forth...

[dawn grove]

u can just unpack it and let users edit it raw like wilsonthewolf's app

no need to overengineer the feature, nobody's gonna use it

my only use case for it was editing fields that a mod added anyway

[cunning matrix]

But it's cool to have it

[dawn grove]

so selecting specific fields to whitelist will limit its power significantly

[cunning matrix]

Like a text editor then?

[dawn grove]

yes

[cunning matrix]

Are you sure? No UI for it?

[dawn grove]

yes

[rare mango]

?

[dawn grove]

u can have a UI for the basic fields someone can edit then an advanced mode which is just a text editor

[dawn grove]

but not allowing users to edit the save as plaintext will make save editing useless imo

[cunning matrix]

Yeah what are those fields in basic mode then

[dawn grove]

if there's a field that says "achievements disabled" let people toggle it

can't think of much else tbh 🤷

when i edited my saves i deleted fields my mod added

because i kept renaming them and removing save or settings fields from the code doesn't remove them from the save

the second time was deleting talisman numbers because they crash the game if it's loaded without it

[cunning matrix]

We need a design for the basic view of the Mod Profile editor (editing .jkr files)

It should match the design of the mod manager

[cunning matrix]

@wheat wave https://github.com/skyline69/balatro-mod-index/pull/189

[wheat wave]

It's slightly outside the purview of the submission policy section, but I can make the automatic-version-check explanation a little more clear, sure

I might be making more homework for myself by bringing this up, but I noticed that the Mod Index GitHub page doesn't mention the Mod Manager, and vice versa. Is this intentional or an oversight?

[cunning matrix]

Well, I want the index to be available for everyone and every mod manager out there. That's why I didn't specify that BMM uses this

But we're gonna make a mod publishing page anyway

[dawn grove]

we stan a software openness queen establishing open standards with every tool they make🙂‍↔️

[wheat wave]

Also while reading the same section, on downloadURL:

(Can be same as repo if no separate download link exists.)
Is this actually true? I think the validator would reject this case

Just curious if BMM would handle it

[dawn grove]

yeah doesn't work at all

i tried it with the .git-index .git_info hack

i think it needs to be the same as the repo url but with a .git suffix

u can't clone https://github.com/janw4ld/balatro-typist-mod but https://github.com/janw4ld/balatro-typist-mod.git works

[dawn grove]

but this is a guess

im trying it again to make really sure :3

[dawn grove]

did not work, here are the logs

i pushed this commit to branch caseycat of my fork and pointed BMM at that branch

pressing the download button on typist does nothing

[dawn grove]

so it's outright false

[wheat wave]

Thanks for checking. I might nix that then, while i'm making changes

[scarlet osprey]

Oooh, gotcha!

I backed up my vanilla profile before modding regardless.

[cunning matrix]

@dawn grove Regarding to this issue, should the user have the option in the settings to select the "main executable" or "custom executable", which then creates the according new save and mods dir. Actually, there already is a custom executable option. I could just modify it so that it would use the mod directory of the custom executable, no?

[dawn grove]

u can make it get the saves dir name from the custom executable's name but that's a separate feature

what u wanna add now is a toggle between vanilla and modded and that toggle should create the custom executable for users without them having to know where the game files are or how love works with game saves

[dawn grove]

right?

[cunning matrix]

Ah I see

So:

Profile
Vanilla <-> Modded

[dawn grove]

yeah and its interface could be something as simple as a toggle next to the launch button like these

[cunning matrix]

Alright. But I would rather put it in the middle down

[cunning matrix]

Here

[dawn grove]

why not just to the left of the launch button?

launching into your mods or into vanilla is a decision you make the moment u wanna start the game

[cunning matrix]

Because of the text

[dawn grove]

there's a lot of space for that to be on top

[cunning matrix]

But wouldn't this make it look ugly? I don't like it in my opinion. It would look kinda weird

[dawn grove]

doesn't have to be [ launch ] vanilla [ ][x] modded could be just [ launch ] [x] modded and when the user toggles modded off the text changes to vanilla

[dawn grove]

idk, i hate moving my mouse and think the far placing will add a lot of friction

[tidal hedge]

As an alternate idea, could you have two launch buttons?

[cunning matrix]

Idk this could be confusing

[cunning matrix]

Why?

[tidal hedge]

One for modded and one for vanilla. I’d rather there be a toggle but it being at the bottom of the screen seems like one of the worst places for it

[ocean heart]

yeah i agree

should have it be next to the launch button

[wheat wave]

That's a super unintuitive place to put an interactive element, there are definitely better alternatives

[ocean heart]

wouldnt need to include the vanilla text either, just text that says "Mods" next to the toggle. people will know that "mods = off" means they're launching vanilla

[cunning matrix]

I need some ideas on where to put this and how it should look like. Could you guys show me some quick draws to where I should put this button?

[dawn grove]

bro that's procrastination, just slap anything together and see how it looks

u prototype code changes by implementing them

[cunning matrix]

Bruh, yes. But before I implement them, I need to know where and what to implement. I don't want to sit for hours just to code this implementation

First, design then prototype then implement

[dawn grove]

u can start with a simple checkbox and use that to find a location u like then style it into something better

🤷

[wheat wave]

Basic toggle mockups (not my preference)

Proper profile select mockup

Steam-like profile selector

My vote would be for a dropdown selector of some kind over a two-state toggle, simply so that the UI wouldn't need to be entirely redone if/when the multiple mod profile feature is implemented

[plain turret]

Oh man I really like this one. Wait so will this allow to play with different mods on a new save without affecting my main save?

[wheat wave]

That's one of the main reasons for the feature suggestion, yep

[plain turret]

That's gonna be so good 🔥

[wheat wave]

If you're going to put anything at the bottom of the screen, it should be this little pagination selector. It's always bothered me that it's at the top of the screen, since as you're scrolling down, your eyes track towards the bottom of the screen.
When it was first added, I was totally blind to it until i'd flicked through a few of the categories and thought "Wait, I'm sure this category had more than 12 mods in it.

I could link to a dozen different articles about good hierarchical UI/UX design patterns following Gestalt principles, but the gist is:

• Group related features together (proximity)
• Put UI elements where users would expect to find them (continuation)

[wheat wave]

More polished mockup, with the page Sort selector moved to the left to reduce overlapping elements, and the Page selector moved to the bottom

[cunning matrix]

Honestly, this is great work from you, Breezebuilder. I‘ll implement it this way

Did you make this with Gimp?

Ah I see

[wheat wave]

Definitely not the ideal software for UI mockups, but I started with a rough sketch and couldn't help myself

[ocean meadow]

Can't disable local mods that aren't in the catalog. Is this intended?

Also, do these two buttons do the exact same thing? Seems redundant to have them both there if so

[cunning matrix]

Great news! Signpath authorized me to use their certificates for the executables of BMM. So no more anti-virus flaggings anymore in the future! Coming soon.

@wheat wave Could you test it out me for me rq? I'll send you the signed exectuable

[wheat wave]

Sure, i've got 10 minutes before bed

[cunning matrix]

Just tell me if it worked

[cunning matrix]

And? Did it work?

[cunning matrix]

Well that's fine

It's the test certificte anyways

[cunning matrix]

It's looking really good with the signpath certificate currently

[viral locust]

just checked my mentions. if i’m understanding this right it sounds pretty good

(also sorry for being stupidly late)

[bright barn]

can someone explain how it works? i put it into mods but do you put it somewhere else instead?

[vagrant plover]

it's an exe, it runs seperate from balatro itself

[bright barn]

where do i download it @vagrant plover?

since i downloaded a github one

[cunning matrix]

https://balatro-mod-manager.dasguney.com/download

[vagrant plover]

I was just thinking about this, there would need to be some way to make sure it's possible to update the modded balatro install when thunk updates balatro itself

[paper nimbus]

is there a Linux version?

or would it work under wine?

[cunning matrix]

https://github.com/skyline69/balatro-mod-manager/tree/66-linux-support

[wheat wave]

I wonder what the fastest way to determine this would be. Comparing the filesize of the copied executable and the original executable would probably be enough

[vagrant plover]

Could also do a filehash on both exes, don't think that would take very long

[winged kite]

Should be extremely easy unless we can't read the files inside the balatro zip.

very first line of globals.lua is the version string.

[vagrant plover]

can also do that yes ^

[placid coral]

You can also read version.jkr

[winged kite]

true

[wheat wave]

That would require reading the contents of the .exe with an archiver though, it's significantly more complex to implement

[placid coral]

Surely there's a lib for your language to browse zip files

[wheat wave]

I'm sure there is, but when the goal is to determine if two exes are different, it seems like an overcomplex solution

[cunning matrix]

Ok, update all is nearly done now

[paper nimbus]

I’ve been trying to install on steam deck but It won’t let me install tauri cli

[wheat wave]

SomebodyStoleAllTheSpacesInYourCategoriesList

[cunning matrix]

IKnowIWasTooLazyToUndoItNeovimMadeMeDoThis

[dawn grove]

use the docker build script and run the appimage it creates

[dawn grove]

or get it from my fork's releases https://github.com/janw4ld/balatro-mod-manager/releases/download/v0.2.5/Balatro.Mod.Manager_0.2.6_amd64.AppImage

[paper nimbus]

I get an error when trying to open the mods folder

[dawn grove]

what error / send logs

[patent warren]

i get these when i try to install the dependency it needs and the mod manager

[dawn grove]

could you run ls -lh ~/.steam/steam/steamapps/compatdata/2379780/pfx/drive_c/users/steamuser/AppData/Roaming/Balatro/Mods/ and show its output?

[patent warren]

i didnt even see this

[dawn grove]

steam deck isn't vanilla arch, to install packages using pacman you need to follow this first. this will make the system partitions writeable (which imo is a bad idea and may break steamOS upgrades) so idk maybe don't do it 😅

[paper nimbus]

total 12K
drwxr-xr-x 3 deck deck 4.0K May 14 2024 BalaLib
drwxr-xr-x 2 deck deck 4.0K May 14 2024 HandPreview
drwxr-xr-x 4 deck deck 4.0K Apr 15 18:05 lovely
these are mods i manually installed

[patent warren]

i got a error with the mod manager appimage

@dawn grove

[dawn grove]

does running the game from steam load your mods?

i think it should

[patent warren]

nope

[dawn grove]

does installing mods from BMM work? i think the way things (folders and the game) are opened doesn't work in AppImages

[patent warren]

it found my steam path and game

but idk why its not opening

[dawn grove]

could you ls ~/.steam/steam/steamapps/common/Balatro/, is there a version.dll file there?

[paper nimbus]

they say installed but they arent in the folder in dolphin. also cant disable it or press the launch button

[patent warren]

nope

[quick briar]

Thar's your problem

I think

[dawn grove]

ok, let me check at what point does BMM try to install it

[quick briar]

Unless this acts very weird

[patent warren]

ok

[quick briar]

Oh... well does it work if you manually place it? Just one part of the install being broken in Linux would be a minor issue

Just throwing things out

[patent warren]

ima try and make it and then see what happens

i did it

and i still have the same problem

wait

i made it and its not blue like the other .dll files

[dawn grove]

this won't fix the launch button but running the game from steam should load ur mods

could u try that?

[patent warren]

yea

should i delete the version.dll

[dawn grove]

no, it should stay

[patent warren]

i tried

and its not openeing

like no error

but its just not opening

[dawn grove]

when launched from steam? what mods did u install?

[patent warren]

yea when from steam

[dawn grove]

did you get it from this: https://github.com/ethangreen-dev/lovely-injector/releases/download/v0.7.1/lovely-x86_64-pc-windows-msvc.zip

[patent warren]

nope

but ill do that now

[paper nimbus]

I tried building an app image with doctor but I got an error and it asked if docker is running or something like that

[dawn grove]

try sudo systemctl enable --now docker then try again

i don't think buliding it yourself will help tbh

[patent warren]

i did

but its still not blue

[dawn grove]

this should be fine

[patent warren]

does it even matter

ok

ima try and launch it now from steam

[dawn grove]

not sure tbh but if u want it to match i think u can run chmod +x version.dll or ls -lh the directory and i'll tell u what chmod command is needed

[patent warren]

it opened but no mods

[paper nimbus]

did you put the winedll overide command in launch options

[patent warren]

should i do that?

[paper nimbus]

WINEDLLOVERRIDES="version=n,b" %command%

try it

[patent warren]

where do i put that

[paper nimbus]

steam launch options

[patent warren]

i dont see launch options on game mode

[dawn grove]

https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/7D01-D2DD-D75E-2955

[patent warren]

should i go back to desktop

[paper nimbus]

go to properties

[patent warren]

oo i see

its in general

IT WORKED

lets goo

thxx

does anyone know the mod that uncaps the joker count

[paper nimbus]

i think i fixed it. i moved it to internal storage

[sacred tusk]

God, it's so slow...

There you go. I just need to reboot it.

[dawn grove]

it downloads a big thing at first then starts working normally

depends on your internet speeds too, it takes minutes for me with a 3.8MB/s connection but people with gigabit internet won't notice it

[sacred tusk]

Guess I'll let it running instead.

[static estuary]

steamodded on the mod manager isnt prompting for an update, and when I go to the Github for steamodded a "0406a" version doesnt even exist lol

[vagrant plover]

You should be able to delete SMODS (force remove anyway), and reinstall the latest unstable version. I'm not sure why it doesn't prompt for an update

[static estuary]

I would but the "latest" version I can find anywhere is 0323b, which is what I already have

[vagrant plover]

reinstalling the latest unstable version through BMM by going to the steamodded page should give you 0416a (or something like that)

this one

[static estuary]

ight ill try that

oh now it just doesnt even bother with the game LOL

[vagrant plover]

looks like you did manage to update smods though

[static estuary]

yeah I clicked the unstable drop down

*didnt even know I could til you showed me that *

[vagrant plover]

it's a tad hidden (and one of the reasons I tell other mod devs to not require dev versions of steamodded unless necessary)

[static estuary]

fair and true lol

[vagrant plover]

are you running bunco or cryptid by any chance?

[static estuary]

yeah I just ran through a list one by one, it only gives me the crash with Bunco installed.

[vagrant plover]

You can grab this version of bunco https://github.com/jumbocarrot0/Bunco (code button, download zip)

[static estuary]

I just throw in my mod folder manually right?

[vagrant plover]

yeah

[static estuary]

thanks

[sacred tusk]

Yeah, it crashed on boot up because it doesn't support the latest version of the Steamodded.

[static estuary]

not sure where else to ask this, but is anyone else having an issue with scaling jokers suddenly stopping?

I can be like deep into a run and suddenly if something scales it just stops working lol

[dawn grove]

i think #⚙・modding-general is a better spot

[ocean meadow]

I had that issue with one of Familiar's Jokers

[static estuary]

ight bet

[cunning matrix]

@dawn grove

I'm gonna kms

this is such an effort to implement

[dawn grove]

it looks almost complete tho

[cunning matrix]

Yeah, but should I add an option to pop out the editing window too?

[dawn grove]

i don't think so

[cunning matrix]

Alr

[dawn grove]

a simpler approach would be sending the file to "Open with" in case someone wants to edit it in their fav app

but 🤷

[cunning matrix]

Much better solution

[dawn grove]

similar to how git rebase -i opens an editor and waits for it to exit

[cunning matrix]

I don't want to make an editor from scratch just for this

That's a good idea

But

[dawn grove]

yeah but you'll have to wait for the editor process to exit in order to recompress and save the file after it

[cunning matrix]

That's what I wanted to say

[dawn grove]

and iirc vscode forks itself in a weird way (that makes it incompatible with git too) and i had to change its config to make it work before -i haven't used it since 2022 tho so this may not be the case anymore-

try doing EDITOR=code git rebase -i HEAD~5 for example and see if git can wait for vscode or immediately fails saying u made no edits

[cunning matrix]

I'll just leave the editor tbh

I already implemented it

no point in undoing so

There is searching and replacing implemented anyways

[dawn grove]

awesome

there are editor libraries that you could've just imported i think

a lot of stuff nowadays has a little vscode inside it👀

[dawn grove]

vim mode when tho

[cunning matrix]

good idea

Now I need to do more

because I forgot it

[dawn grove]

i don't think so

[cunning matrix]

Dw I'll add Vim mode

[dawn grove]

https://preview--code-scribe-search-magic.lovable.app/
lovable made one in <2 minutes

it uses monaco (vs code's buffer component)

[cunning matrix]

@dawn grove boom

but it's really shit tho

I need to disable it

because not all keybinds are included

[dawn grove]

i thought u meant this was shit

but looks like ur talking about the vim mode

svelte's tutorial has a good editor and a good vim mode i think

let's see how they wrote that

[paper nimbus]

Just want to say the mod manager is very high quality and its great so thank you for making it

[dawn grove]

they're using replit's codemirror library which has an official vim mode plugin

[dawn grove]

https://github.com/sveltejs/learn.svelte.dev/blob/main/src/routes/tutorial/[slug]/Editor.svelte really simple thing too

[cunning matrix]

@dawn grove can you give me some value I can test

if it works

[cunning matrix]

It works

[cunning matrix]

@dawn grove Are you still awake?

[dawn grove]

in bed

[cunning matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-oh-no-anyway-gif-18887547

I got it workingg

Is the save.jkr relevant?

[dawn grove]

great

[dawn grove]

looks clean

[dawn grove]

idk, what is its content?

[cunning matrix]

idk either

[vagrant plover]

save.jkr is the current run iirc

[cunning matrix]

Alr I will do this one too and I think it works then

[dawn grove]

if it has money, jokers, consumables these are the best contenders for a "basic mode" / form-based editor

also unlocked hands & hand levels

im bringing this up since the first thing u thought of was allowing edits only for specific fields and i pushed for the raw text approach

[cunning matrix]

bruh

[slim fable]

This is the coolest thing I've ever seen

[sudden timber]

hey why is bunco in QoL mods?

[ocean meadow]

It has some QoL features in the mod

[ocean meadow]

Um, I'm seeing different mods in my installed mods section based on the sort method I click. Here's what is displayed when sorting from A-Z:

And this is what I see when sorting from Z-A:

For example, Malverk is only listed in the second screenshot. Same with Redux Arcanum

[ocean heart]

check the next page?

[ocean meadow]

oops, forgot pagination existed

lol

Now that I'm actually clicking the pages, I think the way the pagination is implemented right now is kinda confusing in the Installed Mods page. The pagination within each section isn't separate based on the category it is in. It's a little confusing

And when you click the next page, it scrolls all the way up to the local mods section, so you have to scroll back down to the category section

My suggestion is either remove the pagination from the Installed Mods section or have a different pagination system for each category

[civic coral]

Unless i missread or missed it but will there be a Portable version of BMM ?

[small shadow]

downloaded both from launcher

[dawn grove]

uninstall steamodded from the launcher, then go to download it again, you'll notice it has an extra version menu below the download button, pick "latest" instead of 0323b

[small shadow]

i dont see anything like that

anytime i tried using the github the launcher didnt allow it so i was confused

[dawn grove]

right below the download button

[small shadow]

oh

i was looking for more of a button

thanks lol

[radiant widget]

heads up, apparently launching the game through the launcher disables controller input for some reason

[hidden nexus]

Does the Apple Arcade version work?

[dawn grove]

there's a discussion on how to run the code injector with the apple arcade version https://github.com/ethangreen-dev/lovely-injector/issues/86

this probably means mods downloaded with BMM can be loaded

but ymmv with getting the launch button / automatic lovely installation working

[agile pecan]

does this pull versions from github releases or does it pull from source?

I hope its from source

also does bunco use the fixed fork?

[dawn grove]

most mods are pulled from source but it depends on how the mod submitter set it up

[dawn grove]

i made a thing: https://github.com/skyline69/balatro-mod-index/pull/192, ik it's rude to raw dog a PR with no issues or prior discussion, but if u generally don't want changes to the CI feel free to just close the PR with no comments🫡

[agile pecan]

would this affect mods that pull from source or only mods that pull from releases

[dawn grove]

neither

it adds a third category

mods that pull from releases are expected to have something like this https://github.com/skyline69/balatro-mod-index/blob/92d619d13122798fc4c78058ccc5310abd5d3b51/mods/Halo%40Gemstones/meta.json#L10

the link points to Gemstones.zip in the latest release, this link is always up to date, but requires all releases to have an extra asset called Gemstones.zip

and im adding the ability to fetch a commit by its tag, like here https://github.com/skyline69/balatro-mod-index/pull/193/commits/b2437a0c571a284c9b4d34d76ea2ee16d27c0727#diff-2d8568f1035a19ba5164f9f221953f559d16d877c5795a8078584aa0295bae1aL11
the tag gets auto updated to match the latest release, and it fetches the repo itself with no need to upload additional releases assets

this PR is unrelated to your previous questions btw, the timing is a coincidence, it's just how i wanted my mod to auto update when i first added it to BMM and today i had the time to implement it

[small shadow]

is there a way to go to a previous version of a mod if its not on the mod loader

[wheat wave]

Only for Steamodded and Talisman, since they're handled differently from other mods. Due to the way BMM's backend works, there's currently no good way to be able to do this for all mods without requiring people to login with a GitHub account

[small shadow]

hm i updated cryptid and now i think talisman breaks at higher score

although i havent tried no animations

yeah

cant find a fix

[dawn grove]

click the open mods folder in BMM (top left green folder icon)

and delete Cryptid* from there then download it following the official instructions

cryptid not talisman lol

[wheat wave]

Deleting Cryptid, Talisman and Steamodded and using the ones bundled with the Cryptid 0.5.5b zip might be the solution

[dawn grove]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUr0gXE77rk

[small shadow]

thanks ill try this out

[wheat wave]

Cryptid seems to target random versions of Steamodded, and because it makes so many patches to SMODS code, it's always only a matter of time before a slight tweak breaks compatibility again, so Cryptid + Talisman usually only work with specific (and not at all documented) versions of SMODS

[dawn grove]

unrelated but when one of lovely's contributors suggested i patch other mods with lovely instead of modifying them as tables & functions i thought it was a terrible idea

[wheat wave]

"When all you have is a hammer" programming

[small shadow]

hey it worked thanks guys

can get back to building this >:)

[dawn grove]

came here to ask if this PR is pending on anything (no rush for a merge tho, just making sure i picked up on the whole convo)

[wheat wave]

Previously i've waited on Skyline to review code changes, but if you're around for the next couple of hours to submit fixes if anything goes wrong, then I'm confident in approving it

This is now a hostile takeover of the mod index 🏴‍☠️

[dawn grove]

it's 9am now, i think I'll be busy with work

also, looks like skyline's been offline for 5 or so days

[dawn grove]

lol sorry for asking here and on github, i think i pressed the comment button on autopilot when i intended to just close the page 😅

[dawn grove]

set an alarm for 10am to check the next ci run

saw the error

i tested on python3.13 and the f-string unfuckening PEP was in 3.12

[wheat wave]

Damnit. Should have insisted on you testing on your fork. Are you able to submit a fix?

[dawn grove]

yes, testing locally with python3.12, if it works will i'll update the workflow to use that, any concerns?

[dawn grove]

https://github.com/skyline69/balatro-mod-index/pull/195 👍

[wheat wave]

From a quick look, all other changes from 3.10 -> 3.12 shouldn't affect the scripts, so that'll work

All good!

✅ Updating janw4ld@typist from bce214b to 1.6.1 (VersionSource.RELEASE_TAG)

I've tried and failed 3 times now to write a succinct description of when to use automatic-version-check and it always ends up being several paragraphs that i'm certain nobody will read anyway, so I'm just going to hold off on the readme changes until I have the time and patience to implement the releases/download downloadURL updater

From a quick look, the assets on the GH API include a browser_download_url field that's perfect for us, so it might not be too challenging an addition

[dawn grove]

yeah i was too scared to tackle that, especially because my addition invalidates the old text completely

the point about it being "a url to an automatically updating source"

[dawn grove]

yes, but what if a release has multiple assets ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wheat wave]

I was just writing about that, haha. The "safe" approach would be to just not update if there are multiple .zip assets, but it's not a great solution.

Switching to the releases/tag source download link would work in most cases, but i've also seen a few cases where devs have "hotfixed" a release without incrementing the version number by just updating the release zip (which i hate with a deep passion). In those cases the source code link will still point to a broken state while the release is functional - and that might be a complex issue to try and diagnose.

Using the largest .zip asset might be more robust, but that potentially makes the mod update process O(n^2) in the worst case, and wouldn't be a sure thing.

Anyone know of any mod releases that contain multiple zips?

The truly insane solution would be to make downloadURL an array and have BMM install all of them...

[dawn grove]

Anyone know of any mod releases that contain multiple zips?
huh, thinking about it, uploading multiple zips is close to impossible

so filtering for the asset with .zip suffix should be more than enough

if any mod has multiple assets i'd assume one is the zip and another one with its md5 or so

[wheat wave]

BTW I was just checking that Typist is now downloaded correctly through BMM and noticed you pushed your version bump occurred after your release, so the downloaded version still indicates 1.6.0

[dawn grove]

yeah i know, didn't bother to recreate the tag

can i just remove the smods version field? i keep forgetting it and my mod has nothing to do with smods asasan anyway

[wheat wave]

Just did a quick test and it seems like you can attach multiple .zips to a release. Not sure why somebody would, but it's an edge case that does need to be handled... somehow

[wheat wave]

It's not required by SMODS, but i think it's important to include (and keep up-to-date)

[dawn grove]

ah yeah, my point was it shouldn't be handled by BMM because why would someone do that for a balatro mod when it's the same files for every platform

[wheat wave]

From what i've read about the gamepass code changes, if Steamodded ends up supporting it, there's a chance some mods might end up releasing different versions for the different platforms.
I guess there's also the possibility that someone might release two different versions of their mod for Steamodded and Balamod, though I don't know of anyone who has

[dawn grove]

for Steamodded and Balamod
i thought balamod was dead, haven't heard of it since i joined the community except in history lessons

there's a chance some mods might end up releasing different versions for the different platforms
😔😔😔

imo there's no need to overengineer it yet btw

just pick the first zip and assume it's the only one

then figure other cases out if things start breaking

[wheat wave]

Good advice that I'll still struggle to follow, haha. I was also thinking about the possibility of checking for zips that contain "BMM" or similar, to allow people to make BMM-specific compatible releases...

[dawn grove]

https://github.com/isboyjc/github-trending-api/blob/68cdcdd5b5e49fc36e591a5c1e6fd06479af0c5a/data/weekly/svelte.json#L481
we're on github's trends for the "svelte" tag this week

[wheat wave]

Haha, linking to the json of the api instead of the trending page is what i believe the kids would call "big backend-dev energy".
Neat!

[dawn grove]

i was doing something unrelated to BMM when i found it so i linked the file i saw, but yeah it was odd🥸

[dawn grove]

i was investigating how destructive changing my github username would be, then completely lost access to the one thing i didn't bother to check: the open-vsx registry (VSCodium's extension marketplace)

[tight harness]

Quick Q: how to run on Linux? I'm sure there are links, just couldn't find

[dawn grove]

https://github.com/kasimeka/balatro-mod-manager/releases/tag/v0.2.5

[tight harness]

love

[dawn grove]

either that or build it from source https://github.com/skyline69/balatro-mod-manager/tree/66-linux-support

[dawn grove]

fyi the launch button doesn't work in appimages, and the WINEDLLOVERRIDES things doesn't get applied automatically by BMM

so the deb or rpm packages are recommended, and you should make sure lovely works first (don't depend on BMM to install it)

[tight harness]

Cheers. Got Lovely running fine, just need to update my mods to work with BMM

[open mesa]

this is missing pretty much every single mod i use

[dawn grove]

get their authors' permission and contribute them to the index

[open mesa]

or just not use this

the deck builder also crashes in this, but not if i mod it myself

[dawn grove]

new f-strings pep was released today, #750, introduces (pretty much) javascript's template literals. the pep's use case example is safely interpolating variables in sql query strings

[tight harness]

Any chance BMM can introduce primitive dependency handling?
I'm thinking just an extra optional meta.json field called dependencies which is an array of Author@Mod strings. Then, BMM just installs all deps (only if missing) when the mod is installed.
The root problem is with Lovely, because it will load 'library mods' multiple times (and likely break), but this is an easier fix, imo.

Asking because my mods have a common dependency, which I include in each mod's release, but there's no good way to migrate that into BMM.
The best current way is to include a big warning in the description to install the dependency, but many people don't read the manual, so suggesting a simple fix.

If you greenlight the deps addition, I could look into implementing it.

[dawn grove]

BMM itself addresses mods by their id (in meta.json) so there's no need for Author@.

[dawn grove]

also @cunning matrix

im not the main dev, so it's up to Skyline (he hasn't been online for a while tho)

[tight harness]

Whatever is most comfy for devs

[cunning matrix]

I‘ll look into this when I‘m back home from the gym

[cunning matrix]

Mom, we made it to the GitHub trending page

[cunning matrix]

Of course, you could implement it and make a PR and I'll look into the implementation. The problem with this is, that some mods require specific version of those dependent mods, so don't forget about this

[tight harness]

Yeah, I didn't mention it, but I'm aware that this will be a problem. I think it's fine to ignore it, though, because the vast majority of mods don't require any deps. Something like Talisman fared fine so far with no version compatibility checks 🤷‍♂️ (fine as in everyone has to deal with versioning issues sometimes)

[cunning matrix]

Yeah, but I don't want to hear anything from anyone saying "YoUr MoD mAnAgEr Is BrOkEn, ThE mOdS i HaVe InStAlLed ArE nOt WoRkInG"

[wheat wave]

There's already plenty of that going around with Cryptid requiring a dev version of Steamodded that BMM doesn't download by default

I'm hoping that with Drago steering the Cryptid ship now, he'll stick to targeting releases instead, which would help stabilise things a bit

[tight harness]

Yeah, so my only idea to handle that was to specify versions and if mismatch is detected then raise a warning somewhere.
I really don't think we should do any kind of dependency resolution. It's overkill at best and redundant at worst (ie. we just have to say that installed mods can't work with each other, like with the simple warning anyway)

[cunning matrix]

Yeah that seems fine

[tight harness]

The ideal fix is for Lovely to allow multi-file requires, I think, but I don't want to look into Rust code

[winged kite]

multi file require?

[dawn grove]

bmm is rust tho :3

[tight harness]

Oh well, I forgot.. Should be better than the low level stuff Lovely deals with, tho.

[tight harness]

Don't remember the exact issue, but it's on the Lovely Readme, I think.
Probably just that it's not possible to require a module that has more requires

[placid coral]

you can

since 0.5.0-beta7

unless you add the load_now option to your module

[open seal]

For some reason disabling mods is extremely sluggish or nonresponsive for me on the latest build

I click On to make it Off, and it just
doesn't

[ocean meadow]

I've noticed that sometimes it just doesn't disable them. Some work just fine, but occasionally that happens

[open seal]

It would be very nice to be able to disable things because I'm getting crash on starts

I'm able to disable coremods like Steamodded and not content mods like MoreFluff

[silent wraith]

one question the mods that are in the launcher have to publicate the dev

[dawn grove]

im not sure i fully understand your question, but noone's required to advertise or donate to BMM's author, but he'll definitely appreciate it!

[silent wraith]

srry for myenglish, is not very good. the thingi trying to say if the mods tath are in the app( the ones you can dowload) it have imported by themod creator or you can import mod that you have istalled in you PC

[shut belfry]

is this thing safe at all

[dawn grove]

the mod manager detects your local mods even if they weren't installed by it

[dawn grove]

and you can also contribute new mods to the BMM index by following this guide

[dawn grove]

yes, take a look at the FAQ here https://balatro-mod-manager.dasguney.com/about

[shut belfry]

thanks

[silent wraith]

tnks

[dawn grove]

and signed executables for windows should be released soon™

[shut belfry]

I tried getting cryptid mod through here and it doenst work can anyone help?

it said something about version.dll having an error

now the launch button doesnt even work

[dawn grove]

does launching the game from steam still work? (i assume it doesn't)

[shut belfry]

yeah it does but the manager doesnt

[dawn grove]

are you on windows? you can go to %AppData%\Balatro and delete the broken version.dll
this path can be copied into the file explorer's address bar

[shut belfry]

I dont see a version.dll

do you think its an antivirus issue?

[near pumice]

how do i get rid of all the stuff i installed thinking i needed it because i saw the build prerequisites 😭

[dawn grove]

yes

[dawn grove]

please follow this guide to add an exception for the mod loader

[shut belfry]

thanks so much! it worked

[dawn grove]

BMM itself has nothing to do with the issue, but the game's mod loader, lovely can be detected as a virus because it injects code into another process (which is a virus-y thing to do)

[shut belfry]

yeah i get that

[dawn grove]

btw, if cryptid crashes after installation then you should follow its official install guide starting from 00:43

[vagrant plover]

seems to work fine on my end btw

[ocean heart]

PR'd my new mod
https://github.com/skyline69/balatro-mod-index/pull/210

more details on the mod here: https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1364645878760996925

[loud spruce]

Hii! I am not seeing the double copy of smod in my mod folder, neither is the mod manager, what should I do?

this crash is blue btw, not the normal gray

is this the right place to ask?

[dawn grove]

you can click the green folder icon on the top left in BMM's installed mods page

this'll show u your installed mods folder, if it has two steamodded or smods directories delete one of them

[loud spruce]

I clicked and I only saw one, thats why I am asking here

[dawn grove]

🤔🤔🤔🤔
i don't think it's anything caused by BMM then

[loud spruce]

ok, tks! maybe empting the folder might help?

[dawn grove]

yes, deleting everything all mods and installing them from scratch will probably work

you'll need to press "validate BMM database" in the settings after deleting the mod folders to make BMM pick up their deletion

[loud spruce]

ok, I'll do it after dinner, tks for the help! also, the "validate BMM database" couldn't see the phantom double smod

[dawn grove]

yeah it kinda looks for things and says OK if they exist, but i don't think the case of double installs is handled by the code at all

[vagrant plover]

I wouldn't mind seeing your mods folder btw 👀

[loud spruce]

the only non BMM mods are tsunami and beelatro

[vagrant plover]

Hmm, weird

the error is technically possible with other mods but extremely unlikely

[loud spruce]

worked, not sure what caused it thou

[obtuse garnet]

@cunning matrix you should probably remove almanac patches off the of the bmm as ive seen many people in the cryptid server install it without knowing what it does and its also discontinued because almanac is update to new calc now

[wheat wave]

Does it make content changes to Almanac and other mods? Are you sure it's no longer relevant?

[obtuse garnet]

no

it was just making almanc newcalc compatable but its newcalc now so it doesnt matter

also submitted pr https://github.com/skyline69/balatro-mod-index/pull/212

[wheat wave]

@primal spade Just want to double-check that AlmanacPatches is no longer relevant.
Are you alright with its removal from the index?

[primal spade]

yea

[wheat wave]

Sorted, thanks for the heads-up

[toxic locust]

Hey does anyone know why it is stuck on loading mods? is it just because i have bad interned or what?

[dawn grove]

yes, it downloads the mod index first, which became a bit huge lately

it takes like 2 minutes to show any mods on my ~3MB/s connection

[toxic locust]

oh thanks a bunch

ok now it's just not launching

[dawn grove]

not launching the game?

or BMM itself

[toxic locust]

So I figured it out

My antivirus quarantined the file needed to actually launch balatro via BMM

Fuck you Norton security

I can literally never mod the game

[dawn grove]

yeah, was just gonna link u this: https://github.com/Steamodded/smods/wiki#step-1-anti-virus-setup

[dawn grove]

i don't think anyone in 2025 needs more than windows defender and common sense for antivirus

but idk about that, i don't use windows anyway

[half grail]

uninstall this garbage right now

it's a virus itself

[toxic locust]

It’s my friends old PC and he has all the install/uninstall permissions

He will not cancel no matter how many times I ask

[half grail]

tell him again even if it ends your friendship

[dawn grove]

maybe also adding ublock origin to every browser u use

[half grail]

yeah but also add common sense to your brain!

[toxic locust]

Modding balatro is not worth losing a 10+ year friendship

[dawn grove]

can't you just add an exception for balatro in norton

[toxic locust]

tried that

GUYS I FIGURED OUT HOW TO DISABLE THE QUARENTINE

WE ARE BACK IN BUSINESS

[toxic locust]

so i was kinda wrong

when i click "launch" nothing happens

[vagrant plover]

do you have a custom installation by any chance

[toxic locust]

no its off steam