Confirmation of anything !!!!

[real wagon]

So many asks for confirmation options in the menu!
Please add any of them!

Just lost a wonderful play through on the Boss Needle (play 1 hand) where I accidentally hit play instead of discard. Lost all that progress. F’s in replies

Add option toggles:
-hold play for confirmation
-hold discard for confirmation
-confirm play when against boss Needle, the eye, the psychic, the mouth
-confirm sell (display card being sold)

-undo option or repeat last round which ends progression, achievements, and unlocks. Displays after game over.

Please!!!

[stoic gate]

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i also hope this functionality is added as an option for those who need it, even if i'd never use it.
it would really help accessibility for a lot of people with disabilities.

[hot aurora]

Yeah if anything, just a single undo button. Just undo whatever last action was one time. Would save so much headache. Maybe add some punishment or make it a once-per-round thing.

[stoic gate]

i think an undo button on the game over screen is bad, and if not that, then it means the only hands you couldnt undo would be ones that lose you the game, which again seems bad

[hot aurora]

It should be more of "wait this isn't right" tool. Maybe timer it or something. Like a keybind you can press to rewind back not further than three seconds.

It's really hard to get right because technically everything is concious intent, one is accidental and other is just bad

Doesn't help pretty much everything is random, so Ideally you shouldn't be able to set back after any random is revealed, which automatically excludes undoing discards

Confirmation also wouldn't work because now you're just brainlessly pressing two buttons instead of one

[snow osprey]

i mean confirmations are useful for ppl who want it that's why they suggested it being togglable

[real wagon]

It was my first build where I unlocked flush five of a kind and it was very well developed. Lost it in a second and I’m still torn about it.

[hot aurora]

Yes, but I tell you from personal experience it only prevents like 1/4 of all the screwups you can get

[serene wind]

I don't get your poinr with this, since we dont want to undo screw-ups that were intentionally made just not thought through, it's called a learning experience

If youre brainlessly pressing two buttons, you've lost the guidance of "potential misclick" and enter more into "just didn't think the action through" territory

IMO atleast

[hot aurora]

"Mindless action" is what usually calls for me. Doing something and realizing right after sending it you screwed up. Like early chess blunders.

[serene wind]

But that's my issue, in a game like balatro you can't turn your brajn off, this isn't an autobattler or shooter or reaction based game

[hot aurora]

This honestly relies on what I call "mod syndrome", hence not that possible to do in vanilla.

What I mean is when you install a QoL or other mod, you usually make an unspoken oath that you won't exploit it, at least not to the degree you would do it if it was vanilla.

[hot aurora]

You still do some things on autopilot

[real wagon]

I would have loved to see how far i could have got with that build, even if it turns into like a seed run, where progress and unlocks are disabled. Why not just copy and play the seed? because i wont remember the decisions i made through 5 rounds. I tried playing a seed build once of a run and i spent an hour trying to find the joker combo i had built. All just to see how far i could get with it.

[serene wind]

But that goes against the point of the game, any rewind button offered should immediately turn off achievements and progression, as the OP added

I agree confirmations are neccesary though, and im surprised they aren't already implemented

[real wagon]

i guarantee everyone has made a mistake which they know has cost them the game. The further along you are, the more time and investment your experience is, leading to a more painful punishment. I'm also sure everyone has thought - I wonder how far I could have got if i did this thing different too.

[serene wind]

Which is why I agree to the concept of a rewind with the condition ypu added "disables achievements and progression"

[real wagon]

Simply removing progression, achievement, unlocks from the moment you hit undo would be far better user experience IMO

[hazy tulip]

I think keeping the confirmations to the special boss blinds makes the most sense. Like it or not, if there was a confirmation for every button press, people would just click the button twice without thinking about it

[serene wind]

It should be playing a hand, discarding, and selling Jokers

Thats all I personally think needs a confirmation

Its incredibly easy to misfire a play as a discard and vice versa, and is the most common mistake I've made above even forgetting abt boss blinds

[hazy tulip]

then people would develop the muscle memory to auto click twice when playing a hand

[serene wind]

Good thing it's a togglable option and not the basic

You have to have the problem, and willingly go to enable it

[real wagon]

Well I'm glad we are agreeing to a "Confirmation" of any kind.

[serene wind]

I will never understand the "autopilot" argument given the fact that Balatro is a game literally all about trying to maximize your build; a conscious thing

It isnt an auto battler

[real wagon]

but there are also real life distractions

[hazy tulip]

when a human being does something a lot of times, they get used to doing that thing a specific way.

[serene wind]

(I'm not saying the argument is 100% incorrect, I just don't personally agree)

[hazy tulip]

are you actively looking at your keyboard right now?

[serene wind]

No, but thats also a scenario where I have time to fix mistakes before sending it

Thats more like misclicking a card in hand, you still have the chance to unselect it before clicking play

[hazy tulip]

ok, do you look at the enter key when sending a message?

[serene wind]

No, but I also verify the message is the correct message

Clicking play vs discard is a mistake that needs a confirmation, and I said does

[serene wind]

^^^

[hazy tulip]

I agree that this can happen and thats unfortunate, but there is a counterbalance here to account for

[vestal steeple]

Something as simple as having to double click the play or discard button would help me a lot

[hazy tulip]

say we had a perfect system, where after clicking press play, you had to wait a second to play the hand

it would be very hard to send the wrong hand in this case

[serene wind]

Im arguing against the introduction of a rewind button. This right here 100% deserves to be an option.

[real wagon]

what are you trying to protect the game from with opting out of a rewind button?

[serene wind]

I personally feel it goes against the entire point and gameplay of the game, and would be an addition thatd remove the reason of trying to find good builds if it didn't remove progression

[hazy tulip]

when a game has an undo button, that becomes a mechanic of the game. an undo mechanic removes all risk and luck from balatro

[serene wind]

I did above admit that an undo is fine in my eyes given it, once used, blocks all progression on that run

(From the undo onward, stuff earned before the undo is fine)

[real wagon]

Some users want casual experience, some more hardcore. Some people find it more entertaining to see how far a run can get them with the particular decisions they make

[hazy tulip]

i think double clicking to confirm should be an option, (the amount of people asking for it is reason enough). I just think it's worth considering how it would affect the player.

[real wagon]

I'm also agreeing to disabling progression, treat the undo/rewind as a SEED game from that point on

[serene wind]

Yes, that i agree with

[real wagon]

Why have seed games then?

[hazy tulip]

because not every seed starts with perkeo and triboulet

[serene wind]

Seeded runs are inherently different from regular runs for one reason

You have the ability to see the future

[real wagon]

But loading a seed game removes the "risk and luck" from balatro that you are saying you need to protect the game

[serene wind]

An undo, is effectively seeded runs, in a regular run

Thats why I'm saying it needs to disable progression

[hazy tulip]

seeded runs are a different mode.

[serene wind]

Because an undo makes a regular run functionally a seeded run

[real wagon]

I believe we are in agreement here.

[serene wind]

Yes, we are, and i said we are multiple times

My original issue here was with the square name man, who seems more interested in it keeping progression

(I may have misinterpreted them tho)

[hazy tulip]

yeah, that's changing things from accessibility feature to redesigning the game of balatro

[serene wind]

Balatro is a game about maximizing potential builds, so adding the ability to undo mistakes that were willingly made without repercussion, is an issue

[real wagon]

Are there leagues? is there a competition? its a mobile game designed for entertainment. Let the user decide if they want a CASUAL or HARDCORE experience

[serene wind]

Yet then achievments made for completing the game and it's challenges become meaningless

[hazy tulip]

I'd argue against that mentality. While it's good to make accomodations where possible, not every game is going to appeal to everyone

[real wagon]

limit them to hardcore?

[serene wind]

So.. disable progression

We're still in agreement my friend

We're trying to provide insight as to why doing it without disabling progression is bad

[serene wind]

Also that's quite literally called the stake system

[hazy tulip]

I'm honestly kind of mixed on it in general, but if its an alternate mode that would make people enjoy the game more, who am I to argue?

[real wagon]

Cheers, Hope your play throughs are rewarding, and your mistakes are minimal. Maybe the feature will be added, maybe not. Glad it's got some interest and sparked some thought.

[hazy forum]

If people want a "confirm" dialog for anything it could be an accessibility option. But make it so that it's toggleable in the options.

because think of how many decisions you take, and imagine having to confirm every single one of them every single time.

People will likely get fed up at hte 50th confirmaiton dialog before they just turn it off.

[snow osprey]

yea idk why there was an argument over this lmao

[serene wind]

That wasn't the aegument was on

It was about the undo button proposed along side confirmations (which we agreed was a good idea)

[snow osprey]

the square guy kinda argued against confirmations

at least when i first started messaging

[hot aurora]

This is why I heavily utilize something I like to call "time travel" and what is known to others as "save scumming" :P

[hot aurora]

I'm not actively against confirmations, I'm more about trying to make them not just another button to press and actually being a confirmation. And on the other hand, not being annoying.

If implemented, I think they would work best if used seldom, and be easy to access (for example, if implementing confirmation for discarding it could be the same button, perhaps slightly moved to prevent accidental double clicks and not a big popup in the middle of the screen saying DO YOU WANT TO DISCARD THIS HAND [YES /////// NO])

[hot aurora]

To reiterate, it could be useful, but it should be as little annoying/distracting as possible.

I'm kinda on the same side though, since I had an experience where I actively removed all the confirmations in my OS possible because I was so fed up

[hazy tulip]

Yeah, if implemented into the base game(outside of a toggle), I think confirmations would work best if limited to the boss blinds it matters in (needle, ox, psychic, eye, mouth, maybe arm)

[hot aurora]

Psychic actually makes me feel stupid because it says HAND WILL NOT BE SCORED right in the middle of the screen yet I keep missing it somehow

[serene wind]

YEAH WHEN I FIRST STARTED ID DEADASS RAGEQUIT WHEN I MISSED UT

Just because it deadass tells you

[hot aurora]

Like I think the issue with it i that the text is white and pretty low contrast and and also relatively far from where you look when actually play the hand. I think changing the color of "play" would do a much better job at this.

But still

[hazy tulip]

I think the issue is that reading is hard

Which, for the record, I agree with, hence why you need a confirmation there to prevent autopiloting into a wall

[dull scroll]

I usually play on PC but came here to yell about this after playing on mobile while waiting at doctor's office and having two runs in a row ruined by accidentally selling jokers when I was trying to reorder them. THERE NEEDS TO BE A SELL CONFIRMATION OR THE SELL OPTION NEEDS TO BE MOVED!!!!!! I HAVE FAT FINGERS AND A SMALL PHONE!!!!!!

[thick palm]

Yeah, I agree, but it should be a toggle, so people that are fine without aren't hampered by it.