Duct tape man's Joker suggestions: | Balatro | Page 1

red lance Jan 19, 2025, 7:04 AM

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Here are three joker suggestions I have:

High Roller 🟩uncommon
[Gains 1 chip per card played]
(I wanted a chip scaling joker that isn't bound to specific plays)

Joker2 🟦common
[+25 chips]
(Decks in real life come with one colorful joker and a monochrome joker. This would be the monochrome one. Its pretty simple and straightforward.

Oni 🟥Rare
[If first played hand is only one card, Re-trigger it 4 times, then destroy it]
(I Was inspired by the Oni joker in Japanese card games, aswell as the violent nature of Oni)

Note that the images i have provided are merely placeholder examples of what the jokers would look like

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*fixed the color of the Oni

burnt thunder Jan 19, 2025, 7:10 AM

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Oni is way too good

red lance Jan 19, 2025, 9:25 AM

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burnt thunder Oni is way too good

What changes would you suggest?

burnt thunder Jan 19, 2025, 9:26 AM

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Mainly rn it’s photograph on steroids, also it’s deck thinning if anything

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I think bumping it down to 3 wouldn’t hurt,
Or if you wanna change it altogether, you could make it retrigger specific cards twice or something

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My opinion on balancing isn’t so good tho

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So wait for more opinions

red lance Jan 19, 2025, 11:31 AM

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Aight

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Ill wait for further opinions but I will change Oni once more suggestions are given

sonic ibex Jan 19, 2025, 12:31 PM

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isnt highroller just worse square

steel helm Jan 19, 2025, 12:51 PM

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I thought Oni was beavis

burnt thunder Jan 19, 2025, 1:12 PM

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sonic ibex isnt highroller just worse square

Wills cake faster than square on consistent 5 card hands

sonic ibex Jan 19, 2025, 10:07 PM

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burnt thunder Wills cake faster than square on consistent 5 card hands

by one chip

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like thats barely anything

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also square works for any 4 card hand unlike this joker

burnt thunder Jan 19, 2025, 10:21 PM

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I see

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Also it’s uncommon

red lance Jan 20, 2025, 12:32 AM

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sonic ibex isnt highroller just worse square

It isn't limited by amount of cards played at once

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Square doesn't work for example if you are trying to run a two pair or a high card without splash or stone cards

red lance Jan 20, 2025, 12:45 AM

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steel helm I thought Oni was beavis

Lmao

sonic ibex Jan 20, 2025, 1:02 AM

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red lance Square doesn't work for example if you are trying to run a two pair or a high ca...

yes it does???? im confused

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if i run high card square works

red lance Jan 20, 2025, 4:57 AM

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sonic ibex yes it does???? im confused

I mean it doesn't gain any more chips if you run 1 2 or 3 card hands

sonic ibex Jan 20, 2025, 5:02 AM

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this only gains 5 chips at most

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i dont get what you're tryna argue

quiet thunder Jan 20, 2025, 5:19 AM

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This is square Joker that has less consistent payout quality with more consistent payout amounts (guaranteed)

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Personally still think it's a bad idea just for being too close to square

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But it isnt 1:1 or just worse square

sonic ibex Jan 20, 2025, 5:36 AM

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ok so square gain 4 chips if played had contains 4 cards

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this gains 1 chip for each scored card in played hand

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at most this gives 5 chips per hand

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unless you're playing about half of the hands which are less than 5 cards ofc

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i get that maybe that you'd want something for 5 card hands

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but this is abysmal

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runner outshines this easily

quiet thunder Jan 20, 2025, 5:41 AM

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Keep in mind it's played not scored

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Not all 5 cards need to be used,

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If it were 1 per card scored oh this would be worse square jonkler easily

sonic ibex Jan 20, 2025, 5:42 AM

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ok i get that but this is just square

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but weirder

quiet thunder Jan 20, 2025, 5:42 AM

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Either way I'm noping this, it just doesn't add much

quiet thunder Jan 20, 2025, 5:42 AM

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sonic ibex ok i get that but this is just square

More like prepatch square

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Before the whole "exactly 4" stipulation

sonic ibex Jan 20, 2025, 5:43 AM

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yeah p much

quiet thunder Jan 20, 2025, 5:44 AM

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I do think it's different enough thwn current square

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Just not very fun sounding

novel tundra Jan 20, 2025, 5:44 AM

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im not a big fan of high roller because for a purposefully nonconditional scaling joker it really wants you to play 5 cards

quiet thunder Jan 20, 2025, 5:45 AM

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If it were based of triggering then it'd have retrigger synergy but even then ehh

sonic ibex Jan 20, 2025, 5:45 AM

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quiet thunder I do think it's different enough thwn current square

its square but variable

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thats basically it

novel tundra Jan 20, 2025, 5:47 AM

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novel tundra im not a big fan of high roller because for a purposefully nonconditional scalin...

and 5 card hands dont really need more generic support

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i think the balance is already there

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thats just my two cents though

quiet thunder Jan 20, 2025, 5:47 AM

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novel tundra and 5 card hands dont really need more generic support

Thst i disagree with

novel tundra Jan 20, 2025, 5:48 AM

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if i were to take it anywhere it would be making it specifically trigger on 5 card hands so it has some identity

quiet thunder Jan 20, 2025, 5:48 AM

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5 card hands need more support to keep up with HC and Pair currently

novel tundra Jan 20, 2025, 5:48 AM

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high card?

quiet thunder Jan 20, 2025, 5:48 AM

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But rn this isn't very interesting to me

quiet thunder Jan 20, 2025, 5:48 AM

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novel tundra high card?

Yes

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Both are by far the easiest hands to build toward for higher stakes

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On white Stake anything is viable tbf

sonic ibex Jan 20, 2025, 5:48 AM

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quiet thunder 5 card hands need more support to keep up with HC and Pair currently

people will see baron mime endless runs and think high card is meta

novel tundra Jan 20, 2025, 5:48 AM

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gotta disagree on high card

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compared to straights and such

quiet thunder Jan 20, 2025, 5:49 AM

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sonic ibex people will see baron mime endless runs and think high card is meta

High Card is easier to build around on gold stake than anything other than pair, 3oak and straight

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Atleast in my experience

novel tundra Jan 20, 2025, 5:49 AM

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then play pair 3oak and straight, no? they scale sm better

quiet thunder Jan 20, 2025, 5:49 AM

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But in terms of risk vs reward, most 5 card hands are far harder to build into

sonic ibex Jan 20, 2025, 5:49 AM

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quiet thunder High Card is easier to build around on gold stake than anything other than pair,...

i havent beat any gold stake runs using high card since the patch

quiet thunder Jan 20, 2025, 5:49 AM

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novel tundra then play pair 3oak and straight, no? they scale sm better

But this is about overall 5 card hands, which all but 1 of are beat out by lower hands

sonic ibex Jan 20, 2025, 5:49 AM

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because high card sucks !!

quiet thunder Jan 20, 2025, 5:49 AM

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sonic ibex i havent beat any gold stake runs using high card since the patch

Exact opposite

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I didn't get it to work on more expensive packs & such, but with pershiables and rentals I get it going far more often

novel tundra Jan 20, 2025, 5:51 AM

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anyways not here to debate abt specific and differing experiences, thats just my take on the joker

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its a 5 card hand joker, i say go all in on that

quiet thunder Jan 20, 2025, 5:51 AM

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novel tundra anyways not here to debate abt specific and differing experiences, thats just my...

And yeah, I do agree this doesn't reward very interestingly, and if we went all in on 5 card hands it'd just be square joker

novel tundra Jan 20, 2025, 5:52 AM

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oni is ridiculous, i dont think that's controversial feedback

quiet thunder Jan 20, 2025, 5:52 AM

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novel tundra oni is ridiculous, i dont think that's controversial feedback

Yup

novel tundra Jan 20, 2025, 5:52 AM

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its all the upside of sock and buskin/hack with none of the work to deckfix into all 5 cards being the best they can be

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i imagine would win any blind up to ante 8 with a glass and a couple planets on flush or whatever

quiet thunder Jan 20, 2025, 5:54 AM

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Photoni

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Immediate win

novel tundra Jan 20, 2025, 5:54 AM

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3 retriggers seems fair

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its a flashier chad

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deckfixes and can help score early on

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but doesnt outshine retrigger all effects

quiet thunder Jan 20, 2025, 5:56 AM

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Maybe spread out it's retriggers?

novel tundra Jan 20, 2025, 5:56 AM

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wdym

quiet thunder Jan 20, 2025, 5:58 AM

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Have jt retrigger every X scored cards instead of one a few times, keep it unique and seperate

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Destroying the last retriggered card

novel tundra Jan 20, 2025, 5:58 AM

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and the chip joker is cute, could probably be 30 chips considering compared to jimbo real early on chips are a lot worse than mult

novel tundra Jan 20, 2025, 5:58 AM

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quiet thunder Have jt retrigger every X scored cards instead of one a few times, keep it uniqu...

seems like a bit of a pain to keep track of

quiet thunder Jan 20, 2025, 6:00 AM

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novel tundra seems like a bit of a pain to keep track of

Maybe, yeah, but thats why I avoided it being "every other card' it'd always be the same 3 scored cards in a played hand

novel tundra Jan 20, 2025, 6:00 AM

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could be a sixth sense style thing

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if first played hand of round is a single card retrigger 4 times and destroy it? im not a fan of the specifics there but

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general idea

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i think i like it as is but nerfed tbch

quiet thunder Jan 20, 2025, 6:05 AM

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Idk it just feels like "oo cooler hanging chad" rn

novel tundra Jan 20, 2025, 6:07 AM

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i think thats alright for a common to have a higher risk higher reward rare, like stuntman vs blue joker but i cant think of it being done this directly

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i am into the idea of reverse dna though

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if first played hand of round is a single card destroy it this joker gets 0.1x mult or something like that

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deckfixing that takes the slot of an xmult joker

red lance Jan 20, 2025, 10:10 AM

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novel tundra deckfixing that takes the slot of an xmult joker

That actually sounds very nice

red lance Jan 20, 2025, 10:12 AM

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quiet thunder Photoni

Fair point tbh

red lance Jan 20, 2025, 10:14 AM

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novel tundra if first played hand of round is a single card retrigger 4 times and destroy it?...

I like the sound of that, I'll change it to that

ripe obsidian Jan 20, 2025, 10:27 AM

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i think all 3 are good as they are. oni isnt overpowered the same way chad is bc it will destroy your enhanced card, so i think it'd be used more early-mid game to remove bad cards and boost eco from rouugh gem or business card etc

novel tundra Jan 20, 2025, 5:53 PM

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glass cards are still the best for 5oak despite on average breaking more than one per hand

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