Chameleon Joker (Rare or Uncommon) | Balatro | Page 1

atomic axle Jan 10, 2025, 2:36 PM

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"Changes all cards in played hand to a random suit before scoring."

Drawbacks could be: -2 hand size
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only triggers on last played hand of round (this seems more balanced)

Hence a straight would be turned into a straight flush of a random suit

This would be powerful early game but worse later where you would likely have already deckfixed in a normal run, so this joker is taking up a joker slot.

vast basalt Jan 10, 2025, 2:37 PM

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this and seance

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spectrals gaming

atomic axle Jan 10, 2025, 2:38 PM

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Chameleon Joker (Uncommon?)

static bane Jan 10, 2025, 2:38 PM

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I think I already explained this but, it’s extremely broken if you find it first few antes. Absurdly broken. Later on when the build it’s established it’s pretty mediocre but….. if you find it early you have no reason not to hold onto it for the whole run. This is significantly better than smeared joker

vast basalt Jan 10, 2025, 2:38 PM

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orrr

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neptune

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and just level strush like normal

vocal widget Jan 10, 2025, 2:38 PM

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honestly this is way too strong lol

static bane Jan 10, 2025, 2:38 PM

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Yeah

vast basalt Jan 10, 2025, 2:39 PM

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yeah bit overtuned

static bane Jan 10, 2025, 2:39 PM

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It’s far too powerful

atomic axle Jan 10, 2025, 2:39 PM

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what would be a good way to turn down it's power level

static bane Jan 10, 2025, 2:39 PM

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I legit think it’s fundamentally maybe broken?

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You could make it a rare

atomic axle Jan 10, 2025, 2:40 PM

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maybe rare yeah, another seemingly broken joker is the ancient joker

vast basalt Jan 10, 2025, 2:40 PM

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ancient joker aint that broken

vocal widget Jan 10, 2025, 2:40 PM

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ancient joker is strong, but not broken

fair tree Jan 10, 2025, 2:41 PM

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Ancient + blueprint unironically solos a whole run to ante 8 with small help

vast basalt Jan 10, 2025, 2:41 PM

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so youre saying blueprint is good

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thanks already knew that though

vocal widget Jan 10, 2025, 2:42 PM

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fair tree Ancient + blueprint unironically solos a whole run to ante 8 with small help

that's two ancients

atomic axle Jan 10, 2025, 2:42 PM

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what kind of drawback would make this balanced

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Chameleon Joker (Rare)

fair tree Jan 10, 2025, 2:43 PM

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Maybe it has a limit of 20 uses

static bane Jan 10, 2025, 2:43 PM

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Ancient joker is very strong

vast basalt Jan 10, 2025, 2:44 PM

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fair tree Maybe it has a limit of 20 uses

ah but the themeing would be wrong

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its a chameleon

atomic axle Jan 10, 2025, 2:44 PM

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maybe not 20, it'd be extremely useful even with 3 triggers

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at that point it's kind of like a consumable

vast basalt Jan 10, 2025, 2:44 PM

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not a food item like icecream or popcorn

atomic axle Jan 10, 2025, 2:44 PM

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a more useful sigil

fair tree Jan 10, 2025, 2:45 PM

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vast basalt ah but the themeing would be wrong

It’s hard to make a debuff around a chameleon that fits its theme

vocal widget Jan 10, 2025, 2:45 PM

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what if

fair tree Jan 10, 2025, 2:45 PM

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Maybe if it’s used on enhanced cards it wouldn’t work?

vast basalt Jan 10, 2025, 2:45 PM

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you lose track of the chameleon as it disappears into surroundings 5 rounds later

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https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

Tenor

vocal widget Jan 10, 2025, 2:46 PM

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"if first hand is a flush, changes the suits of cards scored after to the suit of the first flush"

static bane Jan 10, 2025, 2:46 PM

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vocal widget "if first hand is a flush, changes the suits of cards scored after to the suit o...

Even more broken wtf

vast basalt Jan 10, 2025, 2:46 PM

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vocal widget "if first hand is a flush, changes the suits of cards scored after to the suit o...

turbo deckfixing

atomic axle Jan 10, 2025, 2:47 PM

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seems inconvenient you lose money though

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dna but stronger

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dna is already rare

vast basalt Jan 10, 2025, 2:47 PM

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what is this green deck?

atomic axle Jan 10, 2025, 2:47 PM

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so idk

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lmao

vocal widget Jan 10, 2025, 2:48 PM

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well i guess i flopped that one

vast basalt Jan 10, 2025, 2:48 PM

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atomic axle dna is already rare

dna isnt immediately busted

atomic axle Jan 10, 2025, 2:48 PM

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maybe it reduces your hand size? or smth like that

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-1 discard

vast basalt Jan 10, 2025, 2:48 PM

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-3 hand size

atomic axle Jan 10, 2025, 2:48 PM

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only triggers on last hand of round

fair tree Jan 10, 2025, 2:48 PM

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vast basalt -3 hand size

1 hand size

vast basalt Jan 10, 2025, 2:48 PM

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real

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i said -3 because exactly 5 cards would make it pretty hard to work with

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but not impossible

static bane Jan 10, 2025, 2:49 PM

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vast basalt -3 hand size

That’s too brutal

vast basalt Jan 10, 2025, 2:49 PM

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static bane That’s too brutal

it would balance it

atomic axle Jan 10, 2025, 2:49 PM

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-2 hand size would seem balanced to me

vocal widget Jan 10, 2025, 2:49 PM

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wait im rereading the post

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so every hand played will be at least a flush?

vast basalt Jan 10, 2025, 2:50 PM

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remember, the upside is that all straights are straight flushes

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no small feat

static bane Jan 10, 2025, 2:50 PM

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vocal widget so every hand played will be at least a flush?

Ya

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And every strsight is a strush, every full house is a flush house

vast basalt Jan 10, 2025, 2:50 PM

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oh shit

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i forgot about flush houses lmao

atomic axle Jan 10, 2025, 2:50 PM

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vocal widget so every hand played will be at least a flush?

not super strong if you have -2 hand size or it only triggers on last hand of the round

vast basalt Jan 10, 2025, 2:51 PM

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fuck it both

static bane Jan 10, 2025, 2:51 PM

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Last hand of round is still strong but reasonable

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-2handsize feels AWFUL to play

atomic axle Jan 10, 2025, 2:51 PM

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yeah that's how i feel

static bane Jan 10, 2025, 2:51 PM

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Trust me

vast basalt Jan 10, 2025, 2:51 PM

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-2 hand size last hand only

static bane Jan 10, 2025, 2:51 PM

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-1 hand size is already badddd

vocal widget Jan 10, 2025, 2:51 PM

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-2 hand size is like, stuntman territory

atomic axle Jan 10, 2025, 2:51 PM

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but also very counterable with like extra hand size

static bane Jan 10, 2025, 2:51 PM

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I’d rather it just be

atomic axle Jan 10, 2025, 2:51 PM

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so not necessarily a good drawback

static bane Jan 10, 2025, 2:51 PM

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Last hand of round

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And be uncommon

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And I think it’s balanced

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The reason why this was so dumb was that you could play fucking multiple strushs or flush houses a round

atomic axle Jan 10, 2025, 2:52 PM

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Drawbacks could be: -2 hand size
or
only triggers on last played hand of round

vast basalt Jan 10, 2025, 2:52 PM

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yeah

static bane Jan 10, 2025, 2:52 PM

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Only triggers last played hand is more fun and reasonable

atomic axle Jan 10, 2025, 2:52 PM

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Chameleon Joker (Rare or Uncommon)

vast basalt Jan 10, 2025, 2:53 PM

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if you could play it whenever having it with seance is wtf infinite spectrals machine

atomic axle Jan 10, 2025, 2:53 PM

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last hand played seems balanced

smoky lantern Jan 10, 2025, 2:53 PM

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I dont think changing all cards to a random suit is that broken. At most, youre getting flush houses (full houses are still hard to get), and straight flushes (which should be more relevant anyways)

static bane Jan 10, 2025, 2:53 PM

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If it’s every hand it’s nuts

smoky lantern Jan 10, 2025, 2:53 PM

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Is it though?

static bane Jan 10, 2025, 2:53 PM

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Strushes are absurdly powerful

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Have you seen how strong Neptune planet card is

vast basalt Jan 10, 2025, 2:54 PM

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smoky lantern Is it though?

yes

smoky lantern Jan 10, 2025, 2:54 PM

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I think its an ok rare

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I dont think its insane

vast basalt Jan 10, 2025, 2:54 PM

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neptune obviously has great scaling because strushes arent usually so easy to play

smoky lantern Jan 10, 2025, 2:54 PM

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Straights are still harder to play consistently

atomic axle Jan 10, 2025, 2:54 PM

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yeah straights are difficult without painted or abandoned

vast basalt Jan 10, 2025, 2:55 PM

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not really

smoky lantern Jan 10, 2025, 2:55 PM

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I think it changing every hand is alright and not crazy

smoky lantern Jan 10, 2025, 2:55 PM

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vast basalt not really

Hard to consistently get

static bane Jan 10, 2025, 2:55 PM

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Eh I find myself able to force straights on every deck

smoky lantern Jan 10, 2025, 2:55 PM

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On an average gold stake run, you can play about 2 straights every round

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Without shortcut or four fingers

static bane Jan 10, 2025, 2:55 PM

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I think straights are the 2nd most consistent hand in the game for winning

fair tree Jan 10, 2025, 2:56 PM

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static bane I think straights are the 2nd most consistent hand in the game for winning

High card and pair

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Two pair

static bane Jan 10, 2025, 2:56 PM

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Two pair is less consitent Becuase it scores less

fair tree Jan 10, 2025, 2:56 PM

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Edited

static bane Jan 10, 2025, 2:56 PM

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So it’s less consistent to win the whole run with

smoky lantern Jan 10, 2025, 2:56 PM

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static bane Two pair is less consitent Becuase it scores less

Thats not what you said though

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Pairs and two pairs are easier to win with because theyre able to be consistently played

static bane Jan 10, 2025, 2:57 PM

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Two pairs suck, pairs are the best hand in the game though I do agree

smoky lantern Jan 10, 2025, 2:57 PM

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If you have good mult and high enough chips, you can play multiple hands per round

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Yes they score less, but being able to play multiple of them is why theyre so strong

smoky lantern Jan 10, 2025, 2:57 PM

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static bane Two pairs suck, pairs are the best hand in the game though I do agree

Two pairs are still pretty consistent, and the big upside is that you get to play more cards

static bane Jan 10, 2025, 2:58 PM

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And that upside isn’t really felt

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Two pairs are usually only viable with pants I’m afraid

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Pairs lets you hold more blue seals and gold cards

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And let you play 4 of them guaranteed without deck fixing

smoky lantern Jan 10, 2025, 3:00 PM

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It obviously depends on the build, and yeah pairs are stronger ofc

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But Im saying that theyre still able to be consistently played

atomic axle Jan 10, 2025, 3:01 PM

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4oak 5oak flush five high card?

smoky lantern Jan 10, 2025, 3:02 PM

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The point is that straights are strong because they arent able to be played every hand without additional help

atomic axle Jan 10, 2025, 3:02 PM

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i just figured out a big mistake

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it doesn't necessarily go well with any other jokers currently in the game

smoky lantern Jan 10, 2025, 3:02 PM

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atomic axle 4oak 5oak flush five high card?

I still think thats ok tbh

smoky lantern Jan 10, 2025, 3:02 PM

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atomic axle it doesn't necessarily go well with any other jokers currently in the game

Wdym by that

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I think its a good enough rare

atomic axle Jan 10, 2025, 3:03 PM

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you can't even blueprint it though

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i guess smeared joker is similar nvm

smoky lantern Jan 10, 2025, 3:03 PM

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Not everything is compatible with blueprint

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Yeah

#Chameleon Joker (Rare or Uncommon)