#Coin Flip

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foggy pawn
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Coin Flip (Uncommon Joker)

The probability of cards with a listed probability are set to 1 in 2. If a listed probability is failed, lose $1.

near dragon
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Losing 1$ when every other lucky card earns 20$

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Stonks

slate nexus
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What does this even beneficially synergize with besides lucky cards? This just kills banana and glass cards immediately

winged idol
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Breaks the "jokers only do one thing" rule.

near dragon
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Wheel, pre-change bloodstone, uuuuuuuuhhhhhh space joker

slate nexus
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Yoooo 8 ball synergy

near dragon
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But for everything but lucky cards it's basically OA6 with a -1$ downside

near dragon
slate nexus
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This is like saying green joker breaks the rule

near dragon
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Conjunction bayybbeee

winged idol
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Green Joker is an edge case.

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I think it's better design when the benefit is simultaneously a drawback in some contexts, rather than needing to be balanced by a tacked-on separate effect.

slate nexus
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Troubadour

winged idol
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Yeah, hand size stuff is a fair point.

slate nexus
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Merry Andy

winged idol
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That's the main way the developer added drawbacks to things.

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Is there anything that rewards having a small hand size?

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(If not there ought to be.)

near dragon
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Nope

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To my knowledge nothing does

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But rewarding low handsize is difficult

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The main ways you lose it are buffing your deck as is

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You're rewarding something inherently a downside you have to willingly take

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You gotta reward it while keeping in mind the risk and reward already given to the player

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No decks i can recall start with less than 8 handsize

winged idol
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In any case, I would word this joker like "All probabilities are 1 in 2. 1 in 2 chance to lose $1 per hand." or something like that to avoid the "listed probabilities" thing.

near dragon
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But why the listed probabilites

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Why is that the problem

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(Like genuinely)

winged idol
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Suppose a new player sees that as their first joker and asks, "what makes a probability listed?"

near dragon
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OA6 is the same

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There are unlisted probabilities

winged idol
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Sure, like the probability of drawing a face card next hand or whatever.

near dragon
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The odds of an edition on shop Jokers, the odds of consumables replacing Jokers

near dragon
winged idol
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Also "the probability of cards" isn't a game concept. Cards don't have probabilities; some effects do.

slate nexus
near dragon
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Which is why OA6 lists "unlisted probabilities"

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Becahse otherwise unlisted probabilities would be applicable

near dragon
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So unless Oops All 6 needs a wording change, neither would tyis

winged idol
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Is the probability of a lucky card giving you $20 "listed"?

near dragon
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Yes

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So Oops all 6s gives it 2/20 instead of 1/20

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It is a probability that js shown to the player

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Unlike what I listed above which isnt shown to the player

slate nexus
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It even shows on the lucky card that it’s doubled

near dragon
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Listed probabilities is a preexisting piece of in game language

winged idol
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In that case, maybe "All listed probabilities are 1 in 2 instead. Lose $1 whenever ..."

near dragon
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Lose 1$ when a listed probability is failed?

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Because you're just reciting what the idea is

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All he needs to do is cut out :the probability of cards with:

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Wait

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CARDS??

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CARDS

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THIS IS EVEN WORSE THAN I SAID ABOVR

winged idol
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Is a joker a card?

near dragon
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IT ONLY EFFECTS LUCKY CARDS

near dragon
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Playing cards/cards are the standard deck

winged idol
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I don't think that's the intended effect.

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(See? It is badly phrased.)

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What's the longest joker effect text in the game?

near dragon
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It is but not for what you were saying above

near dragon
slate nexus
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I think jokers are considered cards

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There’s the cards bought stat at the end of runs, and I think campfire mentions cards

winged idol
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Perkeo is 18 words; that's pretty long.

near dragon
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It says Jokers and Consumable cards I'm pr sure

winged idol
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"Fail a probability" is intuitive but not really grammatical English. Does anything else in the game talk about "failing" a "1 in X" effect?

near dragon
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No

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Im wrong@slate nexus

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It just says cards

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So yeah

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Not all cards are Jokers all Jokers are cards

near dragon
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Its all on success

slate nexus
near dragon
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I still think this is a bad joker

slate nexus
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Same

near dragon
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Its OA6 but with a downside for everything but lucky cards

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And it makes lucky cards insanely OP

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Actually

winged idol
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Yeah, balance-wise I think this has to affect only jokers.

near dragon
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Lucky cards are the only probabilites above a 1/4 in my memory

near dragon
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This would be a worse OA6 for just jokers

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since 2/4 = 1/2

slate nexus
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It insta kills banana lol

near dragon
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Still just worse OA6 for spaceman

winged idol
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Could make it "All probabilities listed on other jokers are 2 in 3. (Downside)" Would make 8 Ball playable 😛

near dragon
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And 8-ball

near dragon
winged idol
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Also have to decide how it interacts with OA6.

near dragon
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66% is higher than any Joker's odds can reach without OA6

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But what would a good downside be

winged idol
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How about something like "1 in 2 chance all other listed probabilities are 2 in 3 this round. 1 in 2 chance they are 0"? Probably not that much fun for gameplay though.

slate nexus
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That’s a nerf

near dragon
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What would OA6 do with that?

slate nexus
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Also putting ‘1 in 2’ twice doesn’t work the way you’d want

bleak silo
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Isnt this broken with OA6s?

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Since all outcomes become 1 in 2, then its doubled into 2 in 2 chances?

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Literally makes all luck based things op

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Besides glass but no one uses glass with OA6s

near dragon
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Its functionally OA6 with a downside

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In every way but lucky cards

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Which become OP

near dragon
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1/2 = 2/4 and 2/2 = 4/4

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So like there's 0 non-lucky card difference besides the downside

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We've literally gone so far into the suggestion channel we've reversed engineered an already existing Joker

foggy pawn
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damn...

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...uhh, anyways

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guess i'll rework it to just make listed probabilities 1 in 4

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that'll benefit certain cards while nerfing others so it's not much of a biggie

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🤷

slate nexus
foggy pawn
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hmmm

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i personally wanted it to like

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be somethinf that increases and decreases listed probabilities in such a way that it's sorta a middle of the road thing

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like

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these jokers work well with it, these jokers dont