#Chicot rework

1 messages · Page 1 of 1 (latest)

soft marsh
#

As of right now, chicot IS the worst of all legendary jokers, He dosent feel quite unique as the other legendarys, so i have 2 ideas for him, to make him more unique, one still IS Boss blind related, other is a complete other Idea

Idea 1: you can now skip boss blinds, skiped boss blinds give 2 tags at tour choice. You can only Skip once Every 2 antes
(If i Skip ante 2 Boss blind, i cant Skip ante 3 Boss blind) you also cant choose 2 of the same tag

Idea 2: all your tarot cards are buffed

Tarot buff list:
World,star,moon and sun: converts 5 cards to the Desired suit
Strenght: increases the rank of 3 cards by 2
Hanged Man: Destroy 4 selected cards
Judgement: create 1 uncommon or rare Joker
Death: select 4 cards, turns the 3 left cards into the card most to the right
Hermit: triples your money ( Max 60)
Temperance: gives Double the Sell valeu of your jokers as money (Max 120)
Hierophant, empress and magician: transforms 5 cards into the Desired card (Lucky, bonus or multi)
Lovers, chariot, justice and Devil: transforms 3 cards into the Desired card ( wild, steel, Gold or Glass)
Tower: transforms 3 cards into upgraded Stone cards ( now they count has Every suit, as well as giving 75 Chips)
Weel of Fortune: has an 1/2 chance to add foil, polycrhome, negative or hollgraphic to a selected Joker
Emperor: makes 3 negative tarot cards used
Fool: creates the 2 last tarot or planet card
High priestess: make 2 negative planet cards of the most played hand

soft marsh
#

A question the ppl wo read this might have is: why?

He dosent Fell unique, as i Said before, He IS the worst legendary and with a "useless or common"
Mechanic, many things can counter the Boss blind, i.e: Directors Cut, el luchador, or maybe the Boss blind dosent even counter your, what im saying is: He needs to be more unique. Like the other legendarys, only triboulet can give 2x multi to queens and kings, only yorick gives x multi based on discards, only canio gives x multi in drstroyed face cards and only perkeo dupes consumables, and perkeo IS the only way to get negative consumables at the moment.

So maybe any of the 2chicot reworks makes him more usefull, more unique

stable merlin
#

Play Gold Stake some more, you'll understand why Chicot is fine as is.

jade obsidian
#

Option 2 is way too complicated and not worth a legendary

#

Option 1 just doesn’t feel right, choosing specific tags is too strong of an effect and I don’t like the concept of skipping bosses

#

Also, all of these take away from Chicot’s identity and remove what they currently do

quick vapor
jade obsidian
jade obsidian
stable merlin
#

LocalThunk explciitly said that ideas should not introduce completely new gameplay mechanics. Now you want for a single joker to introudce a new concept of bosses?

jade obsidian
#

I think the single biggest thing that people miss out on with Chicot is it makes tons of value generators stronger: rebate can’t be disabled, gold cards always give money, purple and blue seals always work, etc. You can also always rely on a steel or glass card to score, or jokers like Card Sharp to not be disabled by Needle

stable merlin
#

Nevermind the fact that this is completely out of place with the character behind Chicot to begin with, but this is overkill foir something you have less than 1/1000 chance to find by opening a pack.

jade obsidian
#

I’m gonna be fully honest comparing Chicot to Luchador is like comparing Perkeo to Cartomancer because they each make a single tarot each round

proven summit
#

I like Chicot. If I had to rework him though, I would make him reduce blind size so he works on all blinds and it fits his theme.(even this idea is bad but it's all I can think of)

soft marsh
#

I think i understand It now, chicot may be the weakest, but hes not bad, as your playing higher stakes ( like Gold stake), It gets more value, also about the photograph similar to trib, and cartomancer similar to perkeo, yall aare right, i Just forgor about It, but to resume It: chicot IS the weakest, but not bad

proven summit
stable merlin
#

I see chicot as -1 joker slot, but you fight no bosses.

#

And chicot also has his own share of tricks due to how it's programmed.

soft marsh
#

Also a questions, does the leg jonklers have lore behind them? Like i know they based on real jokers, but are theit abilities based on what they done irl?

proven summit
stable merlin
#

Yes? Literally?

#

They're all based on famous court jesters and clowns.

proven summit
#

They are based on stories of jesters and real jesters. Like Yorick is from one of Shakespeare's plays and in that play is where he get the 23 thing.

stable merlin
#

People are most acknowledged with Perkeo because he was in a TV show I think?

soft marsh
proven summit
#

Lel.

soft marsh
#

But you had to Skip once beforrhand, but still is a bad ideia, ig its too weak for a leg

#

I still like the buff all tarots, maybe buff all consumables would be better? Im still discarding chicots rework, but may be an Idea for another jonkler

quartz gazelle
# jade obsidian I’m gonna be fully honest comparing Chicot to Luchador is like comparing Perkeo ...

I’ve actually done some math on this concept. Assuming that there are 4 boss blinds that would outright kill your run, and none go before ante 2(where you should be able to survive the boss no matter what), chicot is better than luchador once two of these four show up in the 5 bosses they can appear(if it’s just one, you can sell the luchador). This chance is about 20%, meaning that 80% of the time, luchador is just as good as chicot

#

Yes, chicot can help you get value out of econ jokers, but keep in mind that if it doesn’t make you at least $12 every single boss blind, it is worse in that respect than golden joker

jade obsidian
#

No it’s not because luchador doesn’t protect against every boss

quartz gazelle
#

I don’t need protection from every boss blinds, just the ones that I can’t counter

jade obsidian
#

Doesn’t luchador not work vs needle and water

quartz gazelle
#

If I’m just a little weak, better to use chicots spot for scoring

#

Selling luchador does restore your hands and discards on the respective bosses

quartz gazelle
#

In my opinion, the main problem with Chicot is that it can't be built around. All of the other legendaries give you great power, but Chicot just makes the build you're running immune to the things that would kill it. You could argue that this makes it the best legendary, as no matter what you're doing, you benefit from it. However, regardless of how powerful it is, it's more boring than a joker that encourages action.

quartz gazelle
soft marsh
quartz gazelle
#

Theoretically, that works. However, the visual aspect of that could be a problem. How would a card look if it was steel and gold?

soft marsh