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compact vigil Dec 28, 2024, 4:32 PM

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Swan Song (Rare)

~~Jokers when sold during the shop phase have a 1 in 4 chance to reappear in the shop for free and with a random edition.~~

Jokers when sold during the shop phase have a 1 in 6 chance to give their corresponding rarity and edition tags.

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vagrant bridge Dec 28, 2024, 4:34 PM

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If I sold a Joker then I don't want it, this is a downside

compact vigil Dec 28, 2024, 4:35 PM

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it's not like it takes up a shop slot, it reappears without taking up a shop space, so at worst its free money

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so there's barely a downside but I see where you're coming from

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if at all

vague venture Dec 28, 2024, 4:36 PM

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2 oops all 6's with this lets you get everything in whatever edition you want

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just keep on selling for negatives and poly chrome

compact vigil Dec 28, 2024, 4:36 PM

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yeah

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but thats a big investment

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and likely not practical, which is fun!

vague venture Dec 28, 2024, 4:37 PM

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compact vigil but thats a big investment

I'll remind you of invis joker

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it's not that hard to do

compact vigil Dec 28, 2024, 4:37 PM

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Invis is a big investment! especially with guaranteeing it hits oops is a whole nother can of worms

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but I think it being a huge investment is partly why I like it so much

rough zodiac Dec 28, 2024, 4:43 PM

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Wouldn't it just go infinite with 2 oops all sixes?

compact vigil Dec 28, 2024, 4:43 PM

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yes

rough zodiac Dec 28, 2024, 4:43 PM

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Like infinite money

compact vigil Dec 28, 2024, 4:43 PM

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nodoka

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likely

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actually yeah now that I think about it despite the fact two Oops is a bit daunting to get, the pay off is a bit large

rough zodiac Dec 28, 2024, 4:45 PM

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I mean, you sell a joker, it reappears for free with an ediyion. You buy and sell it. It reappears for free with a Random edition

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I'm just not a big fan of it going infinite lol

compact vigil Dec 28, 2024, 4:46 PM

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I understand where you're coming from

rough zodiac Dec 28, 2024, 4:46 PM

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It would be less interesting for sure, but it could give you an Uncommon, Rare, Polychrome, Holographic, Foil, or Negative Tag instead of the exact joker sold

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Then it can't go infinite, as you need to reroll to get new jokers in the shop to use the tags

compact vigil Dec 28, 2024, 4:47 PM

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that would be a nice balance change

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Would it be like still chance based and THEN chance based again on which tag you'd get

pastel hull Dec 28, 2024, 4:48 PM

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maybe like dependant on what you sell

compact vigil Dec 28, 2024, 4:48 PM

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Yeah thats what I was thinking

pastel hull Dec 28, 2024, 4:49 PM

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like if it's an uncommon or rare you get the rarity tag but if it's a common you get the edition tag

compact vigil Dec 28, 2024, 4:50 PM

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would also dissuade @vagrant bridge's criticism about selling a joker meaning you don't want it, giving you a variety of tags instead of the exact joker would be an actually fun and probably an even better mechanic

compact vigil Dec 28, 2024, 4:50 PM

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pastel hull like if it's an uncommon or rare you get the rarity tag but if it's a common you...

I think it should be a chance like 1 in 6 to get BOTH the corresponding rarity and edition tag

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basically "rebirthing" your joker

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like if you proc it from a foil hit the road

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you'd get a rare and foil tag

pastel hull Dec 28, 2024, 4:51 PM

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oooh that's good too

compact vigil Dec 28, 2024, 4:52 PM

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absolutely peak suggestion sizzle

rough zodiac Dec 28, 2024, 4:52 PM

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While that is cool, it now feels too difficult to proc. To get a rare polychrome, you both need to sell a rare with polychrome AND succeed the 1/4 or 1/6 chance

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Which we have all used Wheel of Fortune, and we all know we aren't gonna see enough Rare Polychromes to trigger it lol

compact vigil Dec 28, 2024, 4:53 PM

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yeah but if we keep it 1 in 4 it'd be infinite-able as you criticized earlier

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and its not like it only works with rare and polychrome

rough zodiac Dec 28, 2024, 4:53 PM

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Nah, it won't go infinite with tags

compact vigil Dec 28, 2024, 4:53 PM

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you could sell a random uncommon and get a free uncommon

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next shop reroll/reset

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negatives would be especially insane gambles

rough zodiac Dec 28, 2024, 4:54 PM

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Since tags don't spawn jokers, they affect the next joker in the shop. Which means you need to reroll or reset the shop, which provides a limiter that stops you from going infinite

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Since reroll cost will win

compact vigil Dec 28, 2024, 4:54 PM

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Fair!

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Though I'm at a loss for what "condition" the specific effect should have to be considered balanced

rough zodiac Dec 28, 2024, 4:57 PM

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I think if you go with a 1/4, it should be

"1/4 chance when you sell a joker to get a random joker or edition tag"

If you go with 1/6 on the other hand

"1/6 chance when you sell a joker to get a random joker tag and edition tag"

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No idea if that's actually balanced though lol. Just trying to think of something that feels balanced and fun

compact vigil Dec 28, 2024, 4:59 PM

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I think anything people say is worth considering when in regards to criticism

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