The best strategies and knowledge bits for endless (seeded)

[eager canopy]

Hi,
you guys maybe know me as the guy who took endless seeded seriously. I read on a daily basis: "What is the best seed/ god seed/ strongest seed/etc.?" and what are the best strategies. Thus, I compiled this document to answer these questions. I am sure some answers will be unexpected (like what is the best hand to play in ultra high rounds).

I know that there are still tons of typos in here. Spare me with those at first please. As you can see, I am not fully done with the document right now. I just wanted to get this out to those who are interested in seeded runs.

Feel free to point out flaws in the content.

[small sparrow]

right now, it has no guide on how to optimally start tarot looping in regards to the RNG (random number generation) function of the joker, Perkeo

[small sparrow]

Also, for 6.12
make sure your vampire is to the left of midas mask if you have one, so vampire clears your enhancement first then midas mask applies instead of the other way around (since you want to play gold cards)

if its to the right, then golden ticket wont work, although business card and rough gem still will

[eager canopy]

not neccessarily.
if you have it on the left, the scaling is slower, which can help

but thx for the feedback

on the right it scales faster

I should mention that I play with 2 masks

[small sparrow]

i was assuming 1, but good to know

[eager canopy]

but for some reason, a second vampire does not apply his effects

[small sparrow]

even if its vampire then mask then vampire?

[eager canopy]

https://youtu.be/ozt1v_Cd4Uw?t=3030

thats how I had it in my old run and the secon vampire is at 1

[small sparrow]

when they are next together, i understand but maybe jokers have a priority queue

[eager canopy]

dunno. see how I had it.

[worn halo]

Jesus this a whole academic paper at this point, nice to see this amount of effort

[eager canopy]

thx

I am happy that the right people like it

[livid mural]

I absolutely LOVE people going super in depth and dissecting the games I enjoy, this was so much fun to read!

[eager canopy]

One error in chapter three
Perkeo copies cryptid

Ahh shit
I forgot to include the park around the usage of ectoplasm in the late game

[eager canopy]

Percent sign wrong in 8.2

[ionic slate]

If someone wrote a college dissertation on this game it would look like this doc

[gritty warren]

There are two things that I really think you should change about this document:

1. You really should edit this document to be more useful to people who don't already know the setup. You don't even explain what jokers you're using to execute this strategy in the first 15 pages (not sure if you do later, but the point stands that you should explain it first.) Like, adding a section that just explains the primary goal of this strategy would do wonders at making the rest of this document have context. And if you like, you can mostly just copy the discord message you sent the other day explaining it into the document
2. You should just focus on the optimal strategy, and cut most of the sections that focus on unoptimal strategic choices. Like, this entire strategy revolves around the Anaglyph deck, you do not need to write subsections explaining why stuff like the painted deck is useless for this one strategy. This is especailly the case for explaining things like Mult cards and unoptimal ranks. The only things you need to explain are the things you want to avoid. If you just explain what things are best, the reader can figure out what things are unoptimal. (for example, if I was writing a strategy guide on the baron/mime build, I really don't need a section on why the 1-10 cards are useless for this strategy. Just explain why kings are good.)

[eager canopy]

Ok thank you for your feedback
I will come back to you later

[gritty warren]

up the vouchers in a way such that I had hieroglyph in the (previously set up)
shop where I wanted to resolve my negative tags. I managed to get 2 blueprints,
and then use hieroglyph. Now I entered the (also set up) shop of the previous
ante, where I also collected 2 blueprints. Thus, with a few microptimizations, I
had 4 negative blueprints and many other jokers. If you are looking for a way
to resolve negative tags, focus on building the engine first. A secondary criteria
might be to pick up as many unique jokers as possible as they are needed for
the next strategies.```
@eager canopy Also
Does using Hierglyph actually send you back to the *exact same* shop that the ante you went back to started with?!

[eager canopy]

Unless I understand your question wrong;
If you said ended with, then yes

So in my case, I press next round after seeing 993-996 from the shop

When I go back, I will then see 997-1000

[gritty warren]

Ok, I'm not really sure what you're trying to say here then, I'll get back to you later

[eager canopy]

Well, I understand that way
You ask that If I use hieroglyph in a17 I would get to see a16 1-4 next

This is not true

But
I will continue a16 where I left off

[gritty warren]

So how do you know what's coming next, if you haven't seen it? How can you set up the brainstorm?

[eager canopy]

You are aware that I talk mainly about seeded runs
So you could use the soul

[gritty warren]

OH

I pretty much only play unseeded, but I still like reading this stuff to learn about new strategies and how the game works on a deeper level

Soooo
Not sure if this information is very useful at all in an unseeded run, but hey, I learned something new today!

"So you could use the soul"
I'm not sure what you mean by this

[eager canopy]

I think that it is not super useful for unseeded but there are tons of things that might be good things to consider even when playing unseeded

Like the concepts I list (consistency, separating money and score, distributions), how fast some strategies scale and much mich more

[gritty warren]

I did have a theory that rolling the shop changed if the soul shows up, but I'm not sure

[eager canopy]

There is a seed analyzer called „the soul“
It’s online

It is your best friend for routing e.g. jokers, skip tags,… in seeded balatro

[gritty warren]

Oh shit, I had no idea, I thought you were referring to the card, lol. Thank you!

You should put that at the top of the pdf

And the mods/other websites you use

[eager canopy]

Pretty much every mod there is is called after something in balatro

[eager canopy]

Very good point

[gritty warren]

Glad I could help :)

[eager canopy]

Do you think it would help to put in a disclaimer that people who are just interested in the strategies should only read the last 3 chapters?
I believe that the way I ordered it people understand them the most
But you are completely right and some people just want to use them and not understand them

Should I put a disclaimer?

[gritty warren]

You could just put the strategies at the top of the page. I think that would solve both your problems at the same time.

[eager canopy]

I don’t think so
If I were to tell anyone that they should sell everything that can score but a single acrobat, they think I am trolling and say that my strategies are bad as baron +mime is better

[gritty warren]

I disagree.
The fact that the explanation of the strategy is at the bottom makes the document very hard to understand, even for people who want to learn it (like me)
And if somebody is reading a 44-page document on high-level balatro, I assume they're smart enough to not make that claim.
Also also, you can move the section explaining why baron/mime is worse to right under the explaination of the strategy

Basically, I think the document is awesome, but I think that your view of it is warped by the fact that you understand the strategy so well. Adding an introduction that explains it, then going into the details, would make the document more useful for people who want to replicate your strategy.

To put it another way
The words "chaos the clown", the entire lynchpin of your strategy, isn't even mentioned until page 27 :P

[small sparrow]

yes

that voucher if used in ante 8 shop for example, you go back to ante 7 shop

same for boss reroll

[gritty warren]

That's obviously not what I mean, lol

I know that

I was wondering what he meant by "set up" brainstorm, and now I know what he meant

[small sparrow]

oh i understand now

[small sparrow]

also 5.2 should clarify that you should get showman when the next few reroll (examples are blueprint, brainstorm, golden ticket, hack/sock etc.)

or something you want active duplicates off but you can't sell, espically with negative tags

[eager canopy]

great point

[small sparrow]

also, about 8.3, it that talking about the base blind size?
i presume so but want to double check

[eager canopy]

it is talking about how fast the blind scales

As I have said that any seed enabling my strategies can play forever I needed to show that my strats grow faster than the blind

[small sparrow]

ah so the times 1.5 and 2x (maybe 4x/6x from the wall/vessel) isnt relevant

[eager canopy]

yeah exactly
also the "half mult and base chips"

[small sparrow]

thats the flint

only ones that does matter is the window, head, plant and amber acron (maybe not)
and the pillar

verdeant leaf you can just sell ice cream

[eager canopy]

Basically you want all of them to be the serpent as this obe benefits you greatly for (ultra) late game money

[knotty finch]

I forget the specific formula for blinds. something like (previous blind score needed) * (some scaling function)^3?

not really a problem, if it outpaces growth from brainstorm -> more score from acrobat you just change your scoring to something larger 🙂

[eager canopy]

I have it in my document
It scales at the rate of ante^(ante^2)

[eager canopy]

My scoring with acrobat is at 3^(someconstant^ante)

So i outpace it

[eager canopy]

I just switched chapter 4 and 5 around

[hot folio]

oof

I was waiting for this @eager canopy

[eager canopy]

Thank you a lot
Did it help?

[knotty finch]

maybe cover practicality in case someone is insane enough to try it? mods, settings, etc?

[eager canopy]

Fair point
Thx

But rn I am actually still playing
So I will come back to do a newer version when I can’t be asked to reroll for a while

[eager canopy]

Decided to set up a stream for anyone who is interested in seeing me suffer.https://www.twitch.tv/drdreamo

stream might start in 5 mins

[knotty finch]

we can finally figure out if it's worse to reroll $200k in the shop for hours or watch someone do it 🙂

[eager canopy]

Yeahhhhhh
I actually have people watching the entire videos

Well you can ask stuff where a non textual explanation might be better

[hazy coral]

is there advice for early game to set yourself up? Noticed your paper notes all the endgame strats more than the earlygame lol

[eager canopy]

I have some stuff in the respective early game sections
But for most part, this is the one thing the runner of the seed needs to figure out for the seed

I cannot give you THE path here
I can only show you, where it should lead

[hazy coral]

Fair lol

[knotty finch]

maybe some rules of thumb of where you should be on a good seed? like first neg tag shoot for 2-4 copy jokers?

[eager canopy]

not sure. IMO that really doesn't matter

[eager canopy]

I noticed two more things about the content that I want to change
I said that ecto hurts you
But I just thought about it briefly and at least for ultra late game, it should be advantageous to take as many ectos as possible as long as you don’t drop below 0 hand and if it makes you not screw up you spectral loop

The second thing now is that I would say there might be a category of „stronger seeds“
They are „stronger“ in a way that they allow for the exact same gameplay while allowing you to play fullskip

[eager canopy]

I continued a bit on the doc and it is over 50 pages now
Does anyone have any content that is not mentioned here they would like an answer to

[worn halo]

i think thats statistically impossible considering 50 pages

[eager canopy]

I mean a popular question I will provide an answer to is
How realistic do I consider this strategy in unseeded

Any other ones

?

[knotty finch]

let someone else write 50 pages on best strategies for unseeded endless 🙂

[eager canopy]

feel free to motivate someone to share their knowledge

but do you have a question you want answered?

[knotty finch]

probably the randomization. like is it possible to see 100k jokers without seeing a BP

[eager canopy]

ok I can give you a calc for that. nice question

[knotty finch]

my normal rule of thumb (from testing twice lol) is about $5k can get you the set of 5 jokers you want (unless showman is really buried)

[eager canopy]

I don't know who remembers the talk surrounding my runs being all about the sort_id bug a while back.
Well, I did a small video explaining it for anyone interested.
https://youtu.be/_cMgHKl3nGY

[eager canopy]

REMINDER:
YOU HAVE TO SELL BASEBALLCARD
IT SCORES TOO MUCH

[small sparrow]

Slightly worse during the transitioning phase than 2’s. However, it has the
advantage of not being a target for Fibonacci, thus reducing lag by a tiny bit.

Is Walkie Talkie less laggy than Fibonacci? (about why 4's could be better than 2's)

[eager canopy]

I don't believe it is as it has 2 calculations it hits (mult and chips)

[chrome basin]

.

[eager canopy]

lol hi

[eager canopy]

.

[tepid oar]

Sorry for ping months later but i appreciate that u even did this in LaTeX 💀

[eager canopy]

I love latex
I just was too lazy to properly format it

[small sparrow]

it did give me a question, how do you insure incantation doesn't give steel cards or do you have to sell mime every round?

[eager canopy]

its on page 39 and 40

did a little math part there

[small sparrow]

Assuming my run and starting
in Ante 24 you reroll perfectly for doubletags.
I see why i thought it was ante 24 now

[eager canopy]

the tag was like a22

[wheat belfry]

what optimization does to a mf

[eager canopy]

Yeah. It was fun though

[wheat belfry]

a little too fun

[knotty finch]

have we reached the never again run 4k jokers and spend hours in each shop stage yet? b/c that sounds healthy 🙂

[eager canopy]

If the software was implemented better, I would have continued

[eager canopy]

Btw. Thats not even the most updated version

[wheat belfry]

darn fr?

[eager canopy]

I still have a lot to do in the last section

[small sparrow]

for hologram record, I think you can copy both Certificate and Marble Joker because of its different timings

[eager canopy]

Both are when you enter the blind
But iirc only one of them counted multiple times
I would have to checkt though

[small sparrow]

I thought 1 was when you started and the other was when you drawn the hands

I remember it worked with Certificate and burglar, could also be because you are using talisman mod to skip animations

[eager canopy]

but you cannot rearrange the blueprints

[small sparrow]

It's like mime at the end

Different Timings when each are Triggered

[eager canopy]

ok I would have to look into that

[small sparrow]

I will as well

Yes

When you start the blind, use marble joker than quickly swap to Certificate

you get the effect of both

[eager canopy]

ok thx

[small sparrow]

I'll record a video Displaying it, You could replace Marble Joker with Burglar and get a similar result
Also i Presume The vouchers which are bad generally are still bad (like Hologram with Magic trick and Constellation with Planet Tycoon/Merchant)

[knotty finch]

iirc for hologram record drdreamo used the number card generating spectral (copied with perkeo)

[small sparrow]

https://youtu.be/5ObLfNZtoSE

[small sparrow]

I think Blueprint/brainstorm overall has to copy 4 (maybe 5) jokers to achieve the record
1.Perkeo
2.Marble Joker
3.Certificate
4.DNA
5.Acrobat

[small sparrow]

Also, what are the rules for chichot?

Since There is a bug with the Water (Takes away all of your discards), when you have multiple copies of chichot

and if you have n copies of chicot, the amount of discards is n*intial discards

[eager canopy]

chicot bug is not allowed.

[small sparrow]

so if you are going to use chicot, only 1 is allowed and no more?

[eager canopy]

i believe so

[knotty finch]

it's not that, it's that chicot changes something that's not checked/reset when the round ends. that's why the handsize stays. maybe there's something else, but don't think discards is it

[small sparrow]

the bug with Mancle also works on the water, the only difference is it's not permanent

I haven't tried chicot with needle, but I'm not sure if that's before or after burglar

[viscid wraith]

hello! not sure if this is the right place to ask, but would any of you know if there's a way to manip Perkeo RNG that doesn't involve restarting the game?

I know Perkeo seems to choose based on how "old" a card is, so you can sell or use certain cards to change the outcome, but if that's not an option are there other ways?

[eager canopy]

Well he choses based on sort id explained here (with invis)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cMgHKl3nGY&t

however I am not 100% sure what you want
If you say that restarting, seeling and using cards is no option then you are asking for an kind of external way. I am not aware of any bug that allows that.

[viscid wraith]

ah okay, I'll give the video a watch, thanks. I'll come back if I have more questions after.

I meant more like, rolling in the shop more, opening packs in the shop, and buying/selling cards that I don't leave the shop with, but from my testing these don't seem to work. the only things (without restarting the game) that work are changing what consumables I leave the shop with, which makes sense, but makes the outcomes I can choose from quite limited.

[viscid wraith]

ah, I think I understand. in my case, if I want Perkeo not to miss, it might be possible for me to use this bug to manipulate the sort_id of the consumables I receive, allowing Perkeo to hit the right target without the need to sell consumables. but I need to use Ankh to submit a WR run, so it wouldn't work if I wanted to verify the run. I found a "good enough" solution without the bug by using and buying consumables at a different time, so I think I will go with that. thank you for the help!

[eager canopy]

No problem

[small sparrow]

is Perkeo ante based?

[eager canopy]

No
Just number of activations based

[lavish bough]

why are Diamonds in the "not used" section, when you say theyre the best suit

[eager canopy]

For many things, it made sense to just include the what is used next to what is not used. But I agree. I could improve the document

[small sparrow]

Does Senace Trigger before or after 8 ball?

[knotty finch]

it'd be joker order

[knotty finch]

L6EHTR6P paging DrDreaMO...3 negative tags and ante 6 isn't even over yet

I haven't really scratched the surface...

[eager canopy]

Nice stuff
There are some insane seeds in the immolate discord
Do you use that?

[knotty finch]

ya was looking through this list #1325152910660604066 message unfortunately I didn't see much explanation of making immolate filters, what I really want to find is a crimson bean abuse bug that's better than the one BU tripped over. b/c heiro and petro are there the crimson boss changes though, I didn't check if the voucher skip lets you get retcon ante 8, the repeats are good b/c you get temperance in shop and so on. and I haven't found an ante 5/6 neg tag target yet, baron's possible, nothing else is that exciting up to card 60ish

[bright lintel]

iirc i calculated the best you could like prob get with crimson bean was like 400 hand size?

or that was unseeded maybe you can prob go a lot higher with seeded with negative tags

[knotty finch]

you can get 17 hands pretty easily on first one on that seed. I got to here with lots of purple and maybe 15 gold cards already, that seed is pretty juiced https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1325151825153888383/1351405483231023255/Screenshot_20250318_000226.png?ex=67da41ef&is=67d8f06f&hm=d2476f1851b3627ad05945596ea9ef3d4fbd83f6f6310ae962ad65f24d9bc230&

[bright lintel]

fair enough but if thats ecto'd bs thats bad and also showman should be stuntman

if so then it ties another seed ive routed but it has perkeo'd stuff

[knotty finch]

neg bs is from a skip, perkeo comes negative. the list I linked is all neg perkeo

[bright lintel]

but yea could be a really good seed but there isnt a lot of time where perkeo is useful early you want it after crimson bean unless you keep it through it

[knotty finch]

https://discord.gg/ErrTPxeZ

[worn marsh]

does somebody know if the crimson bean trick works on troubadour, so i can alternate between +2 and +5 hand size if i have both bean and troubadour

also yeah i wonder whats the new money world record if u do crimson bean lmao since parking money and dice seems so painfully slow but its probably the best way

[small sparrow]

if it lands off Bean and onto Troubadour, You gain 5 hand size but lose 2, so it's a net 3 when you save-scum

[worn marsh]

so troubador actually makes it worse? like if it goes off troubadour and then into bean

[bright lintel]

because its +handsize not -

[knotty finch]

I got 33 handsize out of a neg perkeo + neg BS + bean (18 hands? 3 copy jokers + burglar + vouchers). couple unlucky hits between perk and BS a few times, but wasn't horrible

[bright lintel]

ik another filter for easy seeds is just negative stuntman early

its your scoring and its a negative you will need

also helps for a16

[knotty finch]

granted for DreamO stuff, crimson bean exploit is pretty tame

well big joker sell off, I like observatory. really easy to have overwhelming scoring for the first 15 antes with that and it turns on/off when you need

[bright lintel]

yea but thats specific seeds

[knotty finch]

it's probably at least in the 10s of millions if not higher now. tickets + repeats + mask + perkeo off card gen (the number one). but that's hours to play a round and even more hours to get through the next shop

[bright lintel]

seeded or unseeded?

we already got over 100m seeded

[eager canopy]

The problem with money is time. I could easily do billions and trillions but it would take too long to calculate

[small sparrow]

would the limit of 2^53 or 9e15 be a concern to you?

[knotty finch]

I guess a mod fixes it? (I see cryptid pics with much more cash as well)

[small sparrow]

at 2^53, floating point numbers (which balatro uses), Valid floating point numbers are so coarse that only vaild ones are multiples of 2
so if you do 2^53 plus 1, it gets rounded to 2^53 meaning at ante 2^53, you can never get past it (even with SAUS), and reserved parking + rough gem stops giving money
at 2^54, business card stops giving money due to being rounded to 4
at 2^55, Golden Ticket stops giving money (alongside gold cards in general)
at 2^58, lucky cards stop giving money, meaning the only way to get money is in the cashout screen at the end

[small sparrow]

But since money is being multiplied instead of repeated addition with cryptid (difference is important), this limit no longer applies

[knotty finch]

understood. but to do the big numbers you need QoL mods anyway. so your hand would be like $1ks of cash once instead of a bunch of $4. so limit would be a little higher?

[small sparrow]

Do you know if talisman patched this?

[small sparrow]

is it like 1k at once or is it a bunch of $1, 2 and/or $4 just retriggered lots of times?

[knotty finch]

I don't know what it does internally (or if it's just saturn mod). without animations, you only see the lump sum plop in in the gui

[small sparrow]

@eager canopy I presume your assumptions for the math is the values talked about have infinite precision?

[eager canopy]

I am not sure what you ask about

[knotty finch]

add 2 to e15, it's not 1.0000000000000002e15, it's still e15 (b/c of number precision internally)

[eager canopy]

Just for nostalgia I wanted to post the link to the message here that caused all of my seeded career to happen

#1247015339443621959 message

[mental gulch]

do you have a link to the immolate discord? I can't find it

sorry for ping

[bright lintel]

https://discord.gg/UC5mDTXW

[mental gulch]

Thanks

[solar shadow]

thanks

[echo falcon]

@eager canopy ok so this is crazy crazy crazy good, thanks a lot mate for this incredible job. i've started myself a seeded run like yours and also watching your video on yt helped a lot. i'm far from understanding the game in the way you do but dayum this is just crazy

[small sparrow]

Which seed?

[echo falcon]

same one, 2K9H9HN

still trying to figure out how to use immolate to find seeds myself ahahaha

[small sparrow]

Be Pre-warned that it get's incredibly boring past ante 18-19 with the tarot cards

[echo falcon]

yeah i'm at ante 21 since last week

[small sparrow]

Espically with tarot merchant/tycoon

[echo falcon]

yep but i'm too lazy to do tarot-looping properly

[small sparrow]

What about Joker-Looping?

[echo falcon]

but i mean technically with tarot looping alone you'd be able to get as many jokers as you want, it just take infinite time

[small sparrow]

I mean Sudo-tarot looping, Where Fool can never copy emperor

[echo falcon]

ah yeah that makes sense

i have everything except judgement and sometimes temperance if i decide to change, but ik it's suboptimal

[small sparrow]

Temperance isn't optimal because of the Chaos the clown joker

[echo falcon]

i have all the commons and miss like 10 uncommon , so diet cola is already decently common (about 15 per shop)

[echo falcon]

yeah i know, but i like to change things around, i'm not going for a super optimized run like DrDreamo

btw i got a third ectoplasm rn, should i use it ? (8 hand size at the moment)

i have not the brain capacity to fully elaborate the consequencies lmao

[small sparrow]

only one would really be reserved parking

Which by ante 22 would roughly be most, but not all of your income

[echo falcon]

yeah i didn't understand that part

how is reserved parking supposed to become the main moneymaking method?

[small sparrow]

Reserved parking scales like a degree 4 polynomial, Golden ticket is a degree 3

[echo falcon]

ok but wouldn't that require enourmous hand size ?

[small sparrow]

Because its (Parking)*(Mime)*(Hand Size)*(Hands), All scale in proportion to your Jokers

Where as Golden ticket is Golden ticket*(Retriggers)*(Hands)

[small sparrow]

Even 40-50 is enough for reserved parking to out-scale golden ticket/bussiness card/rough gem, As those are only limited to the 5 cards you can play at any moment

[echo falcon]

wait wait wait so it retriggers every hand

ok i'm dumb nvm

yeah it does, ok this makes sense

[small sparrow]

If we overlook Certificate/Marble Joker and consider a deck with only gold 2 of diamonds, And All blueprints/brainstorms only copy Acrobat for simplificity
You get, as a function of the # of jokers=J

(70%*J/60 [Reserved Parking] )*(25%*J/60 [Mime] )*(70%*J/60+25%*2J/60 [Juggler+Troubadour ])*(25%*3J/60 [Burglar])+(70%*4J/60+70%*2J/60+25%*J/60 [Golden ticket + Business Card + Rough gem])*(25%*5J/60+25%*5J/60+70%*0.4*J/60 [Sock & Buskin + Hack + Hanging Chad)*(25%*3J/60 [Burglar])+O(J^2) (other terms like dusk)
=J^4*7/(5.76e8)+J^3*12371/(2.88e8)+O(J^2)

[echo falcon]

is there a way to manipulate natural shop negatives so that i do not always get negative basic joker ?

so yeah basically make it so that common jokers become uncommon

[echo falcon]

ok @small sparrow sorry for bothering but i need help: i'm playing the serpent in ante 22, i close the game mid ante as it got way too laggy and now i can't reopen it (it keeps crashing). ik this is not the right place for this kind of support but dayum i literally can't play

[small sparrow]

It's probably because you have too many double tags or something, I'm going to ask @eager canopy because I'm not sure myself what the solution to your problem is

[small sparrow]

When a joker replaces another, it maintains the same rarity (i.e if you have a Castle in your joker slots and the shop is about to spawn another Castle, only uncommons can replace it unless you have Showman)

[small sparrow]

only expection is if you have every rare and/or common without showman, then the default joker spawns

[eager canopy]

hey. first thx for the messages above. no you cannot change the rarity of a joker

[eager canopy]

if you have ever scored naninf, you cannot reopen the save. how many tags, jokers, consumables do you have

[echo falcon]

ok so i haven't scored naninf yet and i've started using talisman as playing hands got too laggy and took too long.
i have like 130 jokers (i've deleted the useless double ones to reduce lag), 22 tarots, 220ish double tags

soooo i've been able to log into an older save using save editor and replay the whole shop, i can play the game but if i close i cannot go back to ante 22 boss.
also the lovely console says not enough memory, which is weird as i have 64Gb and gave balatro maximum priority

not a V-Ram problem as well, as i've disabled animations and from HWInfo it keeps being quite low

[echo falcon]

sad

thank you again for your time and help mate (same goes for mr_minecraft_ash)

[echo falcon]

ah i forgot to mention, i'm using a tag staking mod (better tags if i remember correctly)

[eager canopy]

i dont really know then. you should not have problems from your jokers etc.

but better hardware does not help. balatro is coded VERY inefficiently

[echo falcon]

yeah my pc is not top tier, but far from being bad

thanks for your help

[eager canopy]

mine was pretty good but the calculations are just REALLY inefficient

[echo falcon]

yeah a mod to speed up calculations would be great imo

but rn i'm more focused on being able to play, speed is gonna be a problem later lmao

[eager canopy]

talisman is the best you can have. thats also why i stopped the wr run. i could play out for years. a single hand took 10 hours to calculate. and i had 500 per ante from ante 30 on

[echo falcon]

what

dayum

crazy stuff lmao

[eager canopy]

yeah. it was dumb. this one unfinished run took already 700 ish hours. the ingame time is just around 200 h because of the lag

[echo falcon]

ah makes sense, 200h seemed waaaaay to low

ok seems there is no solution, and actually the issue itself doesn't really make sense. i'll try again tomorrow to see if i can play from shop to shop without crashing nor closing the game, but i guess i'll just abort the run

i guess i'll start searching for a better seed altough a true infinite run is already possible with this one

[eager canopy]

i know at least one

wait

AB6BEGAF

[echo falcon]

yeah that's better

that soul in ante 2 is Perkeo ?

[eager canopy]

i think yeah. but i didnt route it

[echo falcon]

i'm gonna see if it's worth it

yeah neg perkeo

[echo falcon]

ok i cannot continue with my run. it's been good

might do another one later anyway

[echo falcon]

ok so this seed is actually pretty decent as that rare tag in ante 4 is goated (blueprint, invisible that gives brainstorm if you sell photo, dna).
i'm still struggling to get a good economy and with deck building

[echo falcon]

probably a matter of skill issue, but i haven't got a single diet cola up to ante 10.
the first negative tag is in ante 11, and even with 6 double tag i cannot find any sequence of useful jokers.

on the other hand, deckbuilding is excellent thanks to the early dna, and i kept doubling death to convert all the cards.
it might be better to copy temperance while having dna so a better resolution of the negative tags in ante 11 might be possible, but i struggle to see any other possibility to improve

ok the next tags are in ante 16 and 17, i i need to have full tarot looping and possibly common looping for that ante, because even with hyerogliph i doubt i can gather enough negative tags AND keep enough money to make that ante 17 tag useful

wow this is a great puzzle, i like that

[knotty finch]

that's about where I gathered all the tarot cards for that. maybe by selling off a specific card you could get better hits and copy them faster, I didn't check that

but tarot looping is just so painful to actually do I didn't bother (oops, wrong seed. there's better seeds for a good start and getting deck fixed is a good use for perkeo in general though--as long as you have enough $. so start with temp/hermit a few times and deckfix cards later is fine too, but get $ coming in from jokers ASAP too)

[echo falcon]

is there a way to know which card is gonna replace an already owned one ?

basically i want to manipulate that:for example if i buy baron in reroll 20, i could get a diet in reroll 21 instead of a natural baron

[small sparrow]

cards can only be replaced with those that share the same rarity as the original