Second played face card gives X2 Mult when scored
- Photo chad no longer a thing
- Is a buff in some specific instances
- Encourages 5 card hands
#Photo Patch
pseudo kraken
silver monolith
left vigil
admittedly
I do agree that the Chad/Photo synergy is overbearing
and Photograph is really hard to justify in a build that uses something like Happy Face, where your ideal hand has 5 face cards and then ends with an X2 mult effect, but Photograph happens way at the start
quasi stag
why we putting photograph in the cross for Hanging chad's sins
left vigil
hanging chad is a total babe
spare lichen
photochad should still be allowed to exist
it dies to plant usually, requires planets, and getting 2 specific commons is a lot harder in an average run than people think
fallow zodiac
I think it's the most overrated thing in the game
left vigil
It's not overrated if you're just on the ante 8 grind
left vigil
I mean sure but it's still very good for a 2 common synergy where each common individually are still not really that bad on their own
glacial linden
I think where most people go "this is OP" is that it's two common Jokers
It's not hard to make the synergy all things considered
left vigil
it's also kinda braindead maybe?
full kettle
Photochad is definitely too strong
But if anything that’s on chad, which is inherently too strong as of rn
left vigil
idk how you'd make chad weaker without making it dookie supreme tho
full kettle
Retrigger the first two played cards
Is an interesting idea ive heard but maybe thats only really bad for photochad
It still works for other retrigger synergy jokers
left vigil
I s'pose yeah, could do
means if you only have one, like, Lucky card in your played hand, you aren't suddenly triple tapping Lucky
full kettle
Yeah that too
final rampart
why is it second
it could be the center or last
wait I'm dumb
😭
if your last card is a face card, give ×2 mult
because imho the "second played face card" looks weird
dusk prism
You could also just reword it to not include retriggers
Like, “the first triggered face card gives 2x mult”
left vigil
That's definitely the least interesting fix
fallow zodiac
A fix that doesn’t need fixing
full kettle
Like, “the first triggered face card gives 2x mult”
This would be really bad
Outside of photochad photo is just good
If not alright
bronze token
I feel like both jokers could be moved up a rarity
left vigil
It's about where it oughta be for a common
full kettle
I feel like both jokers could be moved up a rarity
Absolutely not
I think they would both be underpowered for uncommon especially photo
You have to consider them individually
bronze token
Photo mostly outclasses seeing double rn
full kettle
Photo mostly outclasses seeing double rn
No??
left vigil
I do think chad being "retrigger the first 2 cards" rather than the first card thrice would be all that's needed
bronze token
All you need is a face card and the face card can be retriggered
full kettle
Planet levels arent the only +mult in the game
Seeing double is better and more worthy of uncommon because it’s stronger in most situations
It can score AFTER all of your +mult
left vigil
Photo is better for flushmaxing tho to be fair
full kettle
Photo basically has to be at the very front end of your scoring
Photo as an uncommon would suck
left vigil
Cause you can run +mult on clubs and then do a flush that ends with a face
Then it's about as strong as seeing double I guess
Barring the fact that seeing double can't trigger on flush without a wild
full kettle
Seeing double is still stronger in most scenarios
full kettle
Or basically anything
left vigil
I just used spare as an example of a non-score +mult joker
full kettle
Some on score jokers do work with photo pretty well
But aside from that its just planets and retriggers
left vigil
Which
To be fair
If you build into playing big fat saucy level 10+ hands
Photo pops off
Especially with retriggers
full kettle
Thats why photochad is so great
left vigil
But then, if you wanna go flush five, and then grab Sock n' Buskin with like, smiley face
Smiley face doesn't synergize at all with photo
full kettle
It does
left vigil
It adds a singular +5
left vigil
You mean +10?
full kettle
No
full kettle
+5 (smiley) x2 (photo) +5 (smiley) x2 (photo)
full kettle
Oh you're counting the first x2
Why wouldnt i
left vigil
Well if you were, I assumed you'd count the second x2 so it'd be +30
full kettle
Also who tf would play flush 5
With smiley face at that
And not some sort of f5 synergy
full kettle
Smiley Face *is* a flush 5 synergy
A pretty shitty one
If for some reason you’re playing flush 5 then you better have a good ass reason to be
Because otherwise its outclassed by 5oak
left vigil
Wtf is wrong with smiley face on a flush five
left vigil
Listen listen listen
full kettle
No reason to run flush 5 for that
Hell you could run 4oak it wouldnt be too much weaker
left vigil
You take the smiley, common, you run hearts, get the blood stone goin, then you get all that +mult before the blood stone multipliers come in, throw on luckies and mult enhancements for flavor, and then you shit your pants if you stumble into a Sonk&Bonk or a Seltzer perhaps
full kettle
Or you die because bloodstone sucks
full kettle
Theres like very few situations i’d play flush 5 in a normal run
Even 5oak is incredibly niche
4oak is better most if the time
left vigil
I mean you really just gotta play whatever the game gives you, it's not like you choose which cards show up
full kettle
I know
And the game rarely ever gives you a reason to play 5oak
Trib? Just play full house
Idol? That’s funny
The +mult jokers dont give enough reward for playing 5oak
full kettle
Idol is so goated once every 300 runs
That’s generous
Idol is easily one of the worst jokers for non endless
left vigil
PLEASE 
, make idol just be based on rank for the love of god
This isn't even a skill issue situation like obelisk where people are just bad at using it
Idol just fucks you
full kettle
PLEASE <:local:1197040533860778004><:thunk:1197040532308889741>, make idol just ...
Aj but ranks 
left vigil
I mean yeah literally, it's right there, it's so simple
pseudo kraken
Idol is so shit rn