Ceres - Balatro Content

[elder fiber]

im moving the perk card api stuff into ceres

thought process being

you can literally disable every feature in ceres

so if you wanted just the api then it is possible w ceres

and second

i have some bigger ideas for eris

https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1279697683304550463

[abstract notch]

Did the overhauling of Ceres finished ?

[elder fiber]

it is not quite done

ive still got some stuff to fix and some art to do

[fleet locust]

Good morning

[elder fiber]

good morning

all of the jokers in ceres are now working

so i need to tweak the prices a bit

do some art

and some general balancing of over stuff

and then ill have a nice update to push

[elder fiber]

okay ive just pushed all my fixes

so hopefully everything is working as intended

knowing me its probably not so please lemme know any bugs you find as soon as

[abstract notch]

Don't need Eris anymore rite

[elder fiber]

nope

[elder fiber]

some more art done

[silk root]

yippee

[fleet locust]

Nice ghost

[fleet locust]

UH???

[neat kraken]

wait that card could be good with perkeo

so much money

[fleet locust]

It isnt work

only CARDS work (i tested)

Uh oh nerf was good

Cuz i raised it really fast

not so fair

cuz i was zero level on everything

but anyway

[buoyant shoal]

no way miku

[fleet locust]

can you pin link?

[ionic dove]

only mods can

[elder fiber]

any bugs i need to fix?

[elder fiber]

yeah thats just kinda how it works

if theyre all level 1 then theyre all your highest level hand

[ionic dove]

so is this a mod compat issue or is this an issue of me having too new/old of a steamodded version

[fleet locust]

With money edition

It can appear on any card and also don’t work on them (except hand cards)

[elder fiber]

yeah i dont know how to fix that yet

only kinda fix i can do is make it not appear on any cards in shop

and only available from the spectral

ill ask bout it agian

[elder fiber]

sorry i missed this somehow

is your folder called Ceres?

[ionic dove]

no, it was called Ceres-main

[elder fiber]

needs to be called Ceres

[ionic dove]

mm

[ionic dove]

is this normal

Is this really just an objectively better ancient joker?

[elder fiber]

for some reason i had that, but i changed smth in the code and it fixed it for me

are you on the latest version of everything?

[elder fiber]

yea

[elder fiber]

if you disable perks in the config it should fix it

[outer summit]

@elder fiber keep getting this error tried everything

even renamed the folder

[ionic dove]

why

[elder fiber]

because i hate ancient joker

[ionic dove]

WHERE IS MY HEX CARD

[elder fiber]

are you using any other mods?

[ionic dove]

Yeah, but this is the one that changes this deck

also what is this second bar above the jokers

I can't select anything under it

[elder fiber]

have you get eris installed/

?

remove that for the time being

just fixed the ghost deck problem

[frail bolt]

ex cards????

[elder fiber]

yep

doing a gx set too

(name not taken from pokemon)

[frail bolt]

didnt expect that

[frail bolt]

all consumables?

[abstract notch]

Jen's got ex cards too

[elder fiber]

yes

[elder fiber]

i genuinely didnt know that

oops

these are the gx ones

love how the art turned out

[frail junco]

they look dope af

[elder fiber]

thank you

[frail bolt]

i assume these upgrade adjacent hands in poker hands in run stats

[elder fiber]

yep

theyve got the mini planets to demonstrate that

well the ex cards level up their hand 3 times

which you can kinda tell because it has 3 layers of cards

and then the gx ones level up nearest poker hands too 3 times

[frail bolt]

ah

thats so clever

[elder fiber]

ty

[uncut nebula]

Dont worry about that there are like a few mods that does ex consumables

[elder fiber]

i think its kinda tough to add new stuff that hasnt been done at least a a few times before

[dull fog]

happened when i was opening the perk pack

[elder fiber]

ill have a look

have you got the most recent version?

and do you have eris?

okay i just pushed a fix

should be okay now

[dull fog]

wait

do i need eris

and if so how do i download it

[elder fiber]

no you dont

dont worry

[elder fiber]

i was wondering if that was the issue because i thought id fixed all of the stuff causing errors like this

but i missed a function

[dull fog]

ok

wait where's the fix?

[elder fiber]

on the github

https://github.com/nekojoe/Ceres

[fleet locust]

Delete betma

[abstract notch]

Oh, hex cards go where?

[elder fiber]

i accidentally stopped the ghost deck giving you a hex card 💀

but its fixed

[frail junco]

Once this isn't so buggy and isn't incompatible with other mods I use I'm really looking forward to trying it again

[warped robin]

i can change it if you want, unless if you were planning to change it or if you have no intentions of mod compat

[rugged dust]

go sleep

[warped robin]

ffs stop bothering me

[rugged dust]

ok 👍

[fleet locust]

Make scaling jokers cant be perish

[elder fiber]

it shouldnt be incompatible tho surely?

itll all have my mod prefix

[elder fiber]

forgot about that thanks

[elder fiber]

i dont think its insanely buggy tbf

might be wrong though

havent had many reports of bugs that i havent fixed yet

[frail junco]

ah fair, wasn't 100% sure. I dunno if it'd play well with the rest of my mod pack yet though. Might just be being overly cautious tbh

[elder fiber]

i mean might be worth a try

if it gives you a bunch of errors fair enough

but you can disable features to suit your taste

[warped robin]

i'm talking about the branding; "EX"

[elder fiber]

i dont really see any reason why either of us should have to change it, but if you want me too im more than happy to

[warped robin]

i'll just change mine to "OMEGA"

[elder fiber]

if youre happy w doing that then sure

thank you

[warped robin]

what do the EX and GX planets do, anyway, out of curiosity?

[warped robin]

i see, EX is 3x of a single planet and GX is a bundle of EX

[elder fiber]

yep

ex has got 3 rows of cards

like at the bottom of the art

and gx has that and also the other planets in the art too

probably my fav art out of everything ive done

[warped robin]

imagine taking it a step further

[elder fiber]

uh oh

is that what your ones do?

[rugged dust]

Vmax

[warped robin]

my ones triple the chips, mult, level chips and level mult of hands then doubles their level

[elder fiber]

thats more than 1 step further lol

[warped robin]

the black hole one (Sagittarius A*) is like every OMEGA planet card twice

[elder fiber]

goddamn

[warped robin]

and believe me when i tell you that a lot of people are already terrified of what my mod does

[elder fiber]

i mean ive heard things

i wanted to give it a go but saw you dont have it up anywhere for the time being

[warped robin]

i do

[elder fiber]

oh really?

[warped robin]

it's in #1262697083438235729

[elder fiber]

ah

i was on the github and saw smth but i mightve read it wrong

[warped robin]

the mod is called Jen's Almanac

it was on github but it's now a discord-only download

[elder fiber]

fair enough

[warped robin]

the rest of my other mods are still on github, however

[elder fiber]

gonna be downloading it a bit later then, and having a go lol

if my pc can handle it

working on some cool joker ideas atm

uh oh

[elder fiber]

holy shit 😭

2 mins of scoring

[rugged dust]

holy shit indeed

[elder fiber]

cant wait to try it out lol

[warped robin]

tetrational mult? yes.

pentational mult? yes.

66-tational mult? yes.

[rugged dust]

didnt you add hexation with jimbo?

[warped robin]

yes

[elder fiber]

as in basic jimbo

lol

[rugged dust]

no

transcendant

[elder fiber]

ah mb

[warped robin]

no, i literally added a new joker that is jimbo himself

[elder fiber]

beautiful

[warped robin]

anyway, enough about my mod, back to topic of ceres

(i am more than happy to collaborate if you want to add compatibility/cross-mod support of any caliber)

[elder fiber]

that sounds pretty cool

would love to add some really broken things just for fun

[warped robin]

turn that frown upside down

"okay!" neck snap

[rugged dust]

https://tenor.com/view/owl-bird-watch-watching-look-gif-4874182

[elder fiber]

is that from asdf?

[warped robin]

ah, i see you are a person of culture as well

[elder fiber]

its been so long im not even sure how i remember it lol

ceres has a new type of card called perk cards btw

you could probably end up doing some busted stuff with them

atm ive got a small api like thing for spawning jokers and tags and consumables with them

but i plan on adding more stuff

and you can make your own that do more complicated stuff youll just have to make your own calculate function

[rugged dust]

thats super cool

[elder fiber]

thanks

heavily inspired by d&dg as you could probably tell lol

[rugged dust]

ive never played, so no

looks neat tho :3

[fleet locust]

Why your game dont lag?

[rugged dust]

animations enabled

[fleet locust]

How it helps?

[rugged dust]

so the game takes the time it needs to calculate

• the run only used tetration

[fleet locust]

I mean fps lag

not crash

[rugged dust]

from what i could see

[rugged dust]

how does that like

[warped robin]

pentation is in there as well

[rugged dust]

oh

[fleet locust]

Like 13fps

my game lag for some reason with some mods

[warped robin]

the short answer is that i've just got the computer for it

and it's better not to discuss about it here, this is a channel about the mod ceres

[fleet locust]

What about perk that spawn 3 random jokers?

[elder fiber]

ive got a bunch of ideas for more i wanna add

lots inspired by d&dg

but some cool unique ones too

[fleet locust]

Can you tell us some of them?

[elder fiber]

[fleet locust]

Dead end

Anyway

you surely need debuff free shop perk

and rework advantage system

[elder fiber]

yeah ill get round to it

working on some other things atm

[fleet locust]

Double jokers? Huh

[fleet locust]

So powerful

Aaa

Its taro?

or joker?

[elder fiber]

joker

[elder fiber]

well theyre based off tarots

ill make it say tarot joker if thats clearer

[fleet locust]

You can make joker emoji before or after Tarot text

[elder fiber]

i dont think itll accept emojis lol

[fleet locust]

You cant crerate art in text?

[elder fiber]

im not really sure what you mean

if you mean emoticons idk if theres one thatll look right

[severe pumice]

I know they're based on actual tarot cards, but if they're not tarot cards in game speak, they probably should not have that label on them tbh

just causes confusion

[elder fiber]

is that better?

or no tarot?

or no -

[fleet locust]

It works

Sooo

why not

[severe pumice]

I would go for the Magic approach and have the more important part on the left -- if their base type is Joker, it's a Joker - Tarot

[elder fiber]

alright

thanks

[fleet locust]

Mat be it should have 2 mult

[elder fiber]

too easy if its +2

[fleet locust]

In compare to green joker

Much harder to gain

[rugged dust]

but it doesnt lose

[elder fiber]

you can literally play club high cards and it scales

[fleet locust]

Wait

what?

really

thats... better

a lot

[severe pumice]

club high card would be both the first and last scoring card

[elder fiber]

yea

[fleet locust]

I think its kill the idea

[elder fiber]

wasnt exactly intended in the first place, but i dont mind it working like that

[fleet locust]

Literally almost green joker

You dont need to play around it

So i think better to remove high card, but make 2 mult

[severe pumice]

if you're going on theming, it would need at least three cards played so that there's actual meat in the sandwich

but then +1 does seem bad

[fleet locust]

Ahahaha

[elder fiber]

ill look into reworking it

[uncut nebula]

I agree with a slight buff, club sandwich's condition is harder to achieve than green joker

[elder fiber]

what if it was like if first and last scoring are clubs, then +1 mult for each non club in between?

or +1 mult for each non club between 2 clubs

[fleet locust]

Kinda hard to gain

How many times you can have 2 clubs SCORING?

But if not scoring works - better

[elder fiber]

well up to +3 mult per hand this way

[rugged dust]

maybe, but maybe with a base of 1?

[rugged dust]

but its limited to only super specific straights

[severe pumice]

pretty frequently if you're playing a straight

[elder fiber]

this idea with +2 mult then?

[fleet locust]

I am not sure, but for test at least

[elder fiber]

thing is, you can play 2 pairs and get +4 mult

whereas trousers is +2

ik the condition is a bit harder

but not that much

[rugged dust]

make it +1 with a base of 1 trust

[elder fiber]

sorry i mean two pair

you mean base 1 per hand?

or just start at 1

[rugged dust]

1 per hand

[elder fiber]

but thats too good surely

[fleet locust]

Huh

[rugged dust]

aslong as the 2clubs on the outside is fulfilled

[fleet locust]

Remind me..

[elder fiber]

ah right

[rugged dust]

its 1 base so club flushes gain smthn

[elder fiber]

yeah thats good

i thought +1 per hand anyway

[rugged dust]

and strushes

[elder fiber]

ill get round to that for next update then

[elder fiber]

?

[fleet locust]

They have same idea, but this joker works with consumables and score less

[elder fiber]

so its not the same idea 💀

[fleet locust]

Almost..

fuck

i am addicted to flushes

Used flush, but my build two pairs..

[fleet locust]

Also

about soul deck

Can you reduce cost of legendary joker ro 0?

from this deck

or to 1

Works too good with temperance or pirate joker

I tested a bit

seems its ceres

@elder fiber after ANY kind of random adding cards from spectral

Yeah

PLayed ceres and talisman only

[fleet locust]

Now

[elder fiber]

ill look into this

[elder fiber]

ill do this too

[elder fiber]

fixed this error

[elder fiber]

done this too

[fleet locust]

Thx

Perish scaling

[elder fiber]

oops i forgot that lol

ill do it now quickly

does diving joker count as scaling?

i guess does campfire count

yeah campfire can be perishable

okay sticker compat is fixed

if i messed up anything lemme know

[fleet locust]

No

[fleet locust]

Also

So

You wanna create ace builds in game?

As i can see

[elder fiber]

well i feel like a retrigger aces joker is just necessary

large joker is just aces because hes large lol

[fleet locust]

also

what you gonna do about reversed taro CARDS

deleted idea?

or no?

[elder fiber]

yeah kinda

[fleet locust]

So taro joker only

?

[elder fiber]

yeah ive kinda taken the reversed tarot idea and moved it to jokers

any consumables i make i dont want to be restricted by the tarot theme

[fleet locust]

vMake it white

even in joker slots looks bad

[elder fiber]

have you seen a skateboard?

lol

[fleet locust]

Yea?

[fleet locust]

Or make it contrast enough somehow

[fleet locust]

You will make you own type?

[elder fiber]

ill probably get round to it

wanna make the ex and gx variants of existing cards first

[fleet locust]

ex = larger?

or what?

Btw very good joker

By idea and usability

[elder fiber]

^^

[fleet locust]

Aaa

combo 3 level and 3 level for one?

[elder fiber]

yea

thats for planets

not sure about the other types yet

[fleet locust]

How we will obtain them?

Also remind me ultra planets from cryptid

[elder fiber]

booster packs and rare in shop probably

[fleet locust]

Hmm

Can you reduce amount of them on 1-2 ante?

I think they gonna cost too much at this point

due balance at least

[elder fiber]

yeah ill have to figure out all of that when they get added

[fleet locust]

Brooo

[elder fiber]

for the time being theyre not really added because no boosters yet

[fleet locust]

Malboro RED should be RARE

Because... Red?

[elder fiber]

it would be a pretty ass rare tho

[fleet locust]

Really?

Uncommon appear more than rare?

[elder fiber]

2x that decreases

[elder fiber]

yeah

[fleet locust]

aaa

Didnt knew

This joker still useless

I think its better for reward boss blinds, but 25% more other blinds

[elder fiber]

ill have to tweak the numbers

[fleet locust]

Something like "gain gx planet of most played hand" after/before boss blind

[elder fiber]

im gonna keep the idea

just tweak the numbers

[fleet locust]

Ok

try

[elder fiber]

ill make some jokers for the ex and gx consumables tho for sure

[fleet locust]

also

after some balancing

Most of jokers now not so useless and not overpowered

[elder fiber]

thats good

ive still got some stuff to balance ofc

[fleet locust]

Except for this...

Just.. why?

literally -1 rare joker random

[elder fiber]

its just a funny joker lol

[fleet locust]

maybe you should add hidden combos?

[elder fiber]

like what?

[fleet locust]

Like with other cards like solo

Or

even better

With this guys

[elder fiber]

you mean like +1 mult for playing high card, +1 chip for playing high card 💀

[fleet locust]

I mean make this joker at least buff other jokers

than literally nothing

I have a question

You raised up cost of 1 up?

Cuz cost of 4 make it... unworthy

[elder fiber]

think so

[fleet locust]

+1 dollar -1 slot

[elder fiber]

unconditional win is pretty strong tbh

[fleet locust]

kinda nah

at least 2 dollars

also

make it non stickers (rental only)

or you already?

[elder fiber]

its not eternal compatible

thats it

or blueprint ig but thats not a sticker

[fleet locust]

Huh

Funny

(This is other mod)

[elder fiber]

arts a lot better than mine 💀

[fleet locust]

But your idea better

I mean

Kinda strange first hand

And you literally killing jokers

Like on wanted list

More... logic?

Also

[elder fiber]

yeah it probably fits the art better

[fleet locust]

Your wanted joker scrolling between rarity

How often to legendary?

[elder fiber]

its equal chances

[fleet locust]

Because i got my eternal joker

And it wont kill it

[fleet locust]

You should fix legendary jokers, cuz its literally stop for most of builds

[elder fiber]

it cant destroy eternals

[fleet locust]

I know

I mean... it will never scroll to next

so its like xmult joker now

[elder fiber]

well it starts on common so you can always guarantee that

so its at least 2x mult

like the pair

or duo sorry

which is also rare

[fleet locust]

Yeah, but i think it kills the idea

Cuz its madness joker on steroids

So it must kill at leas once per 3~ rounds for often

Its better than madness due you can dont buy rare/uncommon

But its kinda "stop" if it hits legendary rarity

[elder fiber]

i can make it change rarity every round

but it might need a bit of a nerf

[fleet locust]

hm

maybe

Just make him work with legendary only if player have legendary

Everyone will be satisfied, i guess

Unless you really want hidden "forever stop" ability

[elder fiber]

if i make it change every round then thats still at least 2x mult per ante most of the time

[fleet locust]

So player can dont take rare/uncommon cards if he dont want to destroy commons/needed rarity

[elder fiber]

i dont really like the idea of picking rarities only from what the player has

[fleet locust]

and dont stuck forever if he actually wants to grow

[fleet locust]

No-no-no

I mean only for legendary

Other gonna be random

I think thats fair

[elder fiber]

i think ill just remove legendary from the rarities

[fleet locust]

hmm

if you want so

[elder fiber]

that way it still only changes once you destroy one

but its still not super easy if it hits rare

[fleet locust]

Yeah

Hmmm

what about hidden mechanic?

Like gain 10 dollars if it kills legendary (can choose legendary only if you have one)

or x2 for this instead of x1

[elder fiber]

maybe

[fleet locust]

Thats more logic i guess

Still bad

I played on cryptid special deck

It make X20 negative more

Was still rare as fuck..

[elder fiber]

they might not work together

im not sure what cryptid does for its deck

[fleet locust]

It was alone

without ceres

[elder fiber]

ah

yeah negatives are rare asf

[fleet locust]

ahahah

from spectral

[fleet locust]

So rework or make it +1 negative tag

[elder fiber]

i dont think it really needs a rework

the point of it isnt to make negatives easy to get

just a bit easier

[fleet locust]

+1 waste voucher most of the times

I get it on 3-4 ante

literally 1 negative from shop...

From around 30-40 rolls

[elder fiber]

thats way more common than usual

[fleet locust]

Maybe

but its one

And most of the time 0

[plain lintel]

Jester when

[elder fiber]

jester?

[plain lintel]

+25 chips

[elder fiber]

i dont follow

[plain lintel]

It's jimbo

But chips

[elder fiber]

right, i just dont get why you said it lol

[plain lintel]

What

[elder fiber]

was it a suggestion?

[plain lintel]

Yes

[elder fiber]

sure i can do that lol

[plain lintel]

Also need that joker

Gameplay update 2025 joker

[elder fiber]

gameplay update lol

thats a great idea

[plain lintel]

Makes all Ceres mod jokers twice as common

[elder fiber]

i actually kinda like that idea

i wonder how easy that would be to make tho

[elder fiber]

what are we thinking for the art?

just a recoloured jimbo

[plain lintel]

The technically all have the ceres tag right?

Just check that I guess

[elder fiber]

actually yeah

when its getting the pool for making a joker

[plain lintel]

I'd say the chips jokers but with the jimbo colors

[elder fiber]

i can make 2 copies of each in the pool lol

[elder fiber]

ill get that done soon

[plain lintel]

Nice

I like your style

[fleet locust]

Make final boss of gamblers or first enemy of gamblers (game) joker

This is more logic

[plain lintel]

sees idea, instantly puts in it

[fleet locust]

Instead of jester

[plain lintel]

Jester is just a counterpart to a joker

[elder fiber]

i always like taking suggestions

saves me thinking of ideas lmao

[elder fiber]

for a jimbo variant this might not make as much sense

[plain lintel]

The Null - x0 mult if no cards are played

[elder fiber]

goated idea 💀

[plain lintel]

Dumb joker - creates a fool at the last hand of round

[elder fiber]

what rarity?

sounds pretty good

or is it only if its last hand

[fleet locust]

Uncommon

Anyway

Let’s make some rare jokers

Hmm…

What about joker, that change chips gaining from cards into mult?

Or half mult

[plain lintel]

Only at the last hand

[fleet locust]

Easy to gain. Because last hand from high card

[plain lintel]

Else it would be way too good I think

[plain lintel]

Looks cursed

[elder fiber]

i tried this as an edition and its so card to code effectively

[elder fiber]

good lol

[fleet locust]

I don’t understand

So hard maybe?

[elder fiber]

yeah too hard

[plain lintel]

A rare joker that allows you to choose any common joker to replace it with

[elder fiber]

why tho 💀

[plain lintel]

Or maybe also uncommons?

[fleet locust]

Too hard + too powerful

Even more powerful than any legendary joker

[plain lintel]

It's 1 use tho

[elder fiber]

if i used a wraith and got that id probably cry

[fleet locust]

Maybe consumable only?

Any taro

[elder fiber]

anyway not speaking of useless rares

[plain lintel]

Super rare card that can show up on standard packs

[fleet locust]

Whyyyy

Just whyyyy

[plain lintel]

Let's gooooo

[fleet locust]

Oh, I know what we can do with this

[elder fiber]

my jester is invisble

[fleet locust]

Make config option to disable useless jokers

[plain lintel]

@elder fiber this, since its the 1 pack with nothing super rare

[elder fiber]

ill make a config option for uselesss jokers lol

yeah

[fleet locust]

BRO..

[plain lintel]

Or maybe on joker packs

[fleet locust]

How we… think in same way???

[plain lintel]

Makes more sense

[elder fiber]

great minds think alike

[fleet locust]

Anyway

Can you help me?

[elder fiber]

is this the rare that you can exchange for another joker?

yeah sure

[fleet locust]

How powerful rare joker must be?

I need to think

[elder fiber]

hes horrifying 💀

rare jokers are pretty good

[plain lintel]

Nice

[fleet locust]

I really liked idea of position in merchant joker

Maybe something based on this?

[plain lintel]

What about

[elder fiber]

what kinda effect tho

its the legendary that does diff things based on what slot its in

[fleet locust]

I mean

If in 1 pos = something
If in 2 pos = something other

OR

[plain lintel]

Cursed purse - +1 joker slot, jokers to the right or to the left of this joker are disabled

[fleet locust]

If mostleft
If mostright

[elder fiber]

💀

[fleet locust]

It... can be good

But only for pirate or temperance

[plain lintel]

Lets you disable jokers at will

[fleet locust]

Sooo at least some effect needed

[elder fiber]

thats true i guess

[fleet locust]

I played with joker that +20 mult for disabled jokers, and it disabled jokers next to him (left and right)

[plain lintel]

Good with scaling jokers, you can keep an xmult disabled and then re-enable them at the end

[fleet locust]

It was good, but not overpowered

[elder fiber]

good point

[fleet locust]

Can you explain?

[elder fiber]

i should have somewhere where i can take all these suggestion and just have them stored

[plain lintel]

You can move the jokers before playing your last hand

[elder fiber]

if you want to scale a joker that you need to play hands to scale, if you score too much then you can only play less hands

so if you disable scoring jokers

you can play more hands

and scale jokers more

each round

[plain lintel]

Yup

[fleet locust]

You mean unscale yourself if you are too powerful?

To scale up jokers that can scale?

[plain lintel]

Yh

[fleet locust]

Thats... not that good

if you need UNSCALE yourself not early

[plain lintel]

Yh it is

[elder fiber]

its pretty good tbf

[fleet locust]

You kinda big

And you can win anyway

[elder fiber]

yeah but you scale more so you can guarantee winning later on

[plain lintel]

Scaling let's you win better later on

[fleet locust]

O

I know how we can fix this

Make it uncommon

To dont waste first ante jokers pool

[elder fiber]

should it be left or right slot?

thing with left slot is

[plain lintel]

Wdym

[elder fiber]

you cant disable it with brainstorm

[fleet locust]

Both left and right?

[plain lintel]

Both, so 1 joker has to be disabled

[fleet locust]

You can always make it mostleft or mostright

[elder fiber]

oh right

i see

[plain lintel]

Adjacent basically

[elder fiber]

yeah yeah

ill get started on that idea i think

[plain lintel]

Alrighty

[fleet locust]

HMMM

What about riff-raff "rip-off"?

Create one/two uncommon joker at the start of blind

Rare

[plain lintel]

That would be op as hell

[elder fiber]

way too good i fear

[fleet locust]

Its rare

[plain lintel]

1 uncommon is fine I think

[fleet locust]

and costs slot

[fleet locust]

Yeah

[elder fiber]

btw we saying cursed purse is uncommon?

[plain lintel]

Think so

[elder fiber]

feels kinda similar to dagger so that suits it

in the sense that one joker is gone

[plain lintel]

It's a somewhat complex idea so not as straightforward as commons

[fleet locust]

You dont like?

[elder fiber]

yeah true

its just the same as riff raff tho

[fleet locust]

Therefore its ripoff

ahah

[plain lintel]

Alr imma leave nekojoe to work on the jokers theyre already doing and give more suggestions later

[elder fiber]

i might set up a google form things for suggestions maybe

[fleet locust]

Also

[elder fiber]

ah i didnt read the name

thats pretty funny tbf

[fleet locust]

Seems you really like spectral cards and aces?

[elder fiber]

maybe it just creates 1 uncommon

[fleet locust]

yeah

[elder fiber]

do i?

[plain lintel]

He made 2 jokers about aces

[fleet locust]

Two vevry good spectral jokers

And 3 ace jokers

Therefore you like it

[elder fiber]

3 ace jokers?

[fleet locust]

third

[elder fiber]

oh kinda

[fleet locust]

also

about diving joker

why 8?

[plain lintel]

4x2

[elder fiber]

because you draw 8 by default mostly

[fleet locust]

aaah

cards

[elder fiber]

i played around with some other numbers but they felt too strong for common

[fleet locust]

I was pretty sure it was 8 CARD, not cards

[fleet locust]

Such a waste still

[elder fiber]

yeah im changing that

[fleet locust]

But you can easily fix it

Make more lucky based jokers

[elder fiber]

just to retrigger lucky cards and be uncommon

retriggering jokers is a huge pain

[fleet locust]

ahah

I reimagined how to balance this joker

it must be rare

Because its very good at money gain and can even help with mult

also it vampire joker combo

[elder fiber]

so is midas mask

[fleet locust]

20 dollars cant compare to even 9 later

also lucky cat build

I mean i won most of games with this

I had it around 5 times

4 won BECAUSE of it, not just with it

[alpine sand]

based

[elder fiber]

lmao

wish i could take credit for the idea

[elder fiber]

surely it cant be that strong tho

[fleet locust]

Just imagine

Almost 7 lucky cards per round

20 dollars at least once for ante

Very big and fast economy

This why so good

• lucky cat

[elder fiber]

thats just lucky cards in general tho

[fleet locust]

Why i need to erase..?

[fleet locust]

Yeah, but you cant gain that much lucky cards for free

[green flame]

why would you want this?

[elder fiber]

i plan on doing more stuff with it

[fleet locust]

Yeah

[elder fiber]

but atm the only thing it does is make cards always score

[fleet locust]

So remove it from pool

[elder fiber]

alright

[fleet locust]

hmm

How flush with suitless works?

[elder fiber]

they dont count as any suit but if you play all suitless cards its a blank

which is a flush but just name different

so they function essentially the same

[fleet locust]

Will blank grow by jupiter?

[elder fiber]

yeah

its just a renamed flush

same with blank five and blank house etc 💀

[plain lintel]

THE NULL HAS A USE

[elder fiber]

lmao

wait

actually

x something mult if hand contains no suits

[fleet locust]

Hm

maybe x2 mult for nonbase hands?

Like 5ok or flush5?

[elder fiber]

no x something mult if hand contains a blank

[fleet locust]

Perish ace?..

[plain lintel]

Paper note?

[elder fiber]

i thought you meant for the null

[plain lintel]

Oh right

Like x2

I assume blanks aren't that hard to get

[elder fiber]

well its a hand containing a flush

but each card has to be nothing suit

which requires a spectral

[elder fiber]

^^

[frail junco]

Just add a white border to the topside. A lot of skateboards have that anyway

[elder fiber]

tbf ive never seen a skateboard with a white border but ill see if i can find an image

[fleet locust]

Eternal???

[plain lintel]

That's crazy unbalanced

[frail junco]

Huh I thought I'd seen them with white trim, but I'm not seeing any with a quick search

[fleet locust]

He really want it to x2

@elder fiber make it rare

[elder fiber]

thats def not eternal compatible

[fleet locust]

Because 20 ciggarettes

[frail junco]

Not much different from ramen

[elder fiber]

did you actually update?

[plain lintel]

But the 0.05 decay is really nothing

[fleet locust]

Ramen can fade rerally fast

it cant

[elder fiber]

that was my thought process

[plain lintel]

Ramen can decay much quicker fym

[fleet locust]

I think almost

[elder fiber]

or it can not decay at all

[frail junco]

Maybe it should be rare because it fades slower but it's not crazy unbalanced imo

[fleet locust]

my last update was today

[elder fiber]

try update again

[fleet locust]

after i win

[elder fiber]

because i def fixed the sticker compats

[frail junco]

x2 isn't anything special anyway

It's not too hard to get uncommon scaling jokers up there pretty quickly

[plain lintel]

Happy pride

[elder fiber]

?

[frail junco]

Is it some pride thing atm or is that just gay joke, lol

[fleet locust]

I am unstopable!

[frail junco]

Oh look a joker I'm way too impatient to ever take :p

[elder fiber]

it takes way too long to be super strong tbf

mostly wanted to add it because the sprite moves

[frail junco]

Fancy

[elder fiber]

very

[fleet locust]

Make it negative always lol

[elder fiber]

why?

[plain lintel]

Gay to gay joke

[fleet locust]

I cant take it for animation

if i dont have space

[frail junco]

Hehe :3

[plain lintel]

;3

[elder fiber]

any opinions?

[plain lintel]

More purse than cursed

[elder fiber]

i could make the background purple

might make it look more cursed

[rugged dust]

looks like a fish trying to eat a smaller fish right above it

but smol fish invisible

[elder fiber]

lmao

[plain lintel]

Pog

[fleet locust]

+1 cost for every taro card? Huh

[rugged dust]

LEGIT

[fleet locust]

idk lol

[rugged dust]

https://tenor.com/view/x3-gif-24301743

[elder fiber]

this look more cursed?

maybe so eyes in the purse or smth

[rugged dust]

ill give you a fistfull of dust if you make a tiny bit of an eye visible on the right side near the R bump of the top joker text

like

give it small beady fishee eye

[elder fiber]

a whole fistfull of dust?

[rugged dust]

yeah

or air if youd like that more

[elder fiber]

is this too goofy

[rugged dust]

NO

ITS PERFECT

ME LIKEY

[elder fiber]

fixed proportions a bit i think

[rugged dust]

ok but ima go sleep now

[elder fiber]

goodnight

[fleet locust]

red eyes?

[elder fiber]

ill try that

yeah thats it i think

i think debuff left and right is a bit unecessary

because it takes up a slot itself

[fleet locust]

Hmm

You right

[frail junco]

It's like Stow but a joker, lol

[fleet locust]

Dame

Ace builds not that bad if you have giant joker

[elder fiber]

whats stow?

[frail junco]

A betmma voucher

[elder fiber]

ah

[frail junco]

Gives you a joker slot and debuffs the leftmost joker

It's kinda annoying, but it's a lot better idea for a joker you can move around

[elder fiber]

yeah that sounds kinda odd for a voucher

new art

bit clearer

[elder fiber]

debuffing is working

[frail junco]

It should be noted that upon undebuff you'll probably get any on-obtain effects retriggering

Idk of its avoidable, I know that it gives Stow a lot of opportunities for exploit

[elder fiber]

well ideally it shouldnt be exploitable

add and remove to deck have from_debuff

so any jokers should act the same whether its from debuff or not

it would be weird if a joker added a joker slot whenever added to deck and undebuffed
but didnt remove it when debuffed too

[frail junco]

Well then people just don't remember too add "and if not from_debuff" to their obtain effects

[peak spindle]

this really is just worse Ramen

[elder fiber]

i mean no

[frail junco]

That's not what I mean

[elder fiber]

probably not lol

[frail junco]

I mean jokers that the for instance spawn tarots on obtain will do it again when undebuffed

[elder fiber]

do jokers do that?

[frail junco]

Yes, there's modded jokers that do things like that, quite a few of them

[elder fiber]

that just seems like a weird idea

[fleet locust]

Why worse??

[elder fiber]

either you get the tarot once when you get the joker, or theres probably gonna be ways to cheese it anyway

[frail junco]

Idk of anything in the base game temporarily debuffs jokers, so I think that's why they forget to account for it

[elder fiber]

i guess yeah

[fleet locust]

also

if you disable and enable reroll joker

You can roll infinity times

[elder fiber]

ill patch the base jokers to work with from_debuff

[elder fiber]

desc needs some colours

[plain lintel]

looks very cute :3

[elder fiber]

im quite a fan of the art tbh

thought it was pretty neat

[plain lintel]

also is there a way o go all the way to the top?

[elder fiber]

i can resend the link if thats what you need

[plain lintel]

ive preped my game for modding

yes please

[elder fiber]

https://github.com/nekojoe/Ceres

wish i could pin it 😭

lemme know if you encounter any bugs and ill get them sorted as soon as

[alpine sand]

Just ping Egg

They’re an awesome moderator and usually pin message in modding channels when asked politely

[plain lintel]

do i just drop the zip file directly onto my mod folder?

[elder fiber]

you gotta take the folder out of the zip

and then put that in your mod folder

ideally it should be called Ceres too

but Ceres-main will work

[elder fiber]

@vague mason hello, is there any chance you could pin this message please?

[plain lintel]

i did that but no show

[elder fiber]

could you send a screenshot of your mod folder?

[elder fiber]

oh you put it in the mods folder

not the steamodded folder

[plain lintel]

its in both

[elder fiber]

does it say the steamodded version in the top right of the menu?

[plain lintel]

nop

[elder fiber]

also you should probably just remove it from the steamodded folder

right that means that steamodde isnt working

do you have lovely installed?

[plain lintel]

yes

[elder fiber]

id say try update steamodded then

[plain lintel]

i just downloaded it

[elder fiber]

is this all thats in this folder?

[plain lintel]

the tutorial told me to only move those 3 things in

[elder fiber]

youll need everything

[plain lintel]

i can try and move the rest i guess

[fleet locust]

Why copy? You need card?

[elder fiber]

wdym?

[fleet locust]

Create a copy

Why not... just.. the fool?

[elder fiber]

thank you egg <3

[vague mason]

You can ask impolitely too but that's like playing Wheel of Fortune

[elder fiber]

i dont fancy my odds with the wheel

[fleet locust]

1 in 0

[elder fiber]

that would not work

lol

[plain lintel]

didnt worj

:(

[elder fiber]

it does create the fool

you dont need a fool

[elder fiber]

hmm

[fleet locust]

So write just the fool

[elder fiber]

have you got the steamodded version on the menu?

create a the fool is horrible english tho

[plain lintel]

no

[elder fiber]

maybe just delete steamodded from your mod folder

then redownload and drop the folder straight in

[vague mason]

Also, I'm not sure I'm understanding this Joker correctly

sorry, completely unrelated but I usually backread whenever I get pinged for a mod for the first time

[elder fiber]

ive been told its like a voucher from some other mod

[warped robin]

neko, what's the .ability.set of EX and GX planets?

[vague mason]

and then get my mind blown most of the time because y'all are awesome

but

[elder fiber]

kinda lets you disable a joker if you want scaling

<3

[vague mason]

Doesn't the Cursed Purse take up 1 Joker slot

[elder fiber]

yes

[vague mason]

So the +1 slot doesn't really do anything

[elder fiber]

ill check 1 sec

[plain lintel]

i came up with the idea hello :)

[vague mason]

Oh

So it's literally just

"Disable this Joker for now"

[elder fiber]

yep

[plain lintel]

it lets you disable a joker at will

[fleet locust]

crerate the fool. Why not?

[elder fiber]

atm its just planet_ex and planet_gx

[vague mason]

That's pretty situational, but if there's a synergy there's a synergy

[elder fiber]

i can add my mod prefix too it tho

[warped robin]

no need to

i was just asking as i was adding something to Aurinko for compatibility

[elder fiber]

hopefully it wont be too bad

[vague mason]

The proper syntax is create a copy of The Fool anyway