Ceres - Balatro Content

[fleet locust]

will you fix it huh?

[elder fiber]

its not broken tho

[fleet locust]

really???

still glitched

[elder fiber]

what is

[fleet locust]

seasoning and ghost

strange texture

[elder fiber]

cos i havent got round to doing art for them

same w the 2 rares

[fleet locust]

alsoo

may be you should make advantage cap?

if you have no perk cards

so you wont have too much in later ante

[raven topaz]

So basically it's a rarity-colored blank card as a placeholder?

[elder fiber]

yeah

[elder fiber]

i think itd be worse if you didnt get rewarded for winning rounds just because you didnt have a perk card yet

could maybe do w some tweaking tho

might not need to be 1 per round

[fleet locust]

hey

but how often negative appear at all?

[elder fiber]

i think its like 0.3% or smth like that lol

[fleet locust]

UHM OH

after taror pack

[elder fiber]

yeah i just had the same thing

im gonna have to sort that out

if you play the next round it fixes itself

[fleet locust]

also

They appear in my hand

in start of round

just like if i was so lucky

[plain lintel]

Can anyone indicate me to the steamoded tutorial

[fleet locust]

uh oh

i cant

[elder fiber]

https://github.com/Steamopollys/Steamodded/wiki/01.-Getting-started

just a warning, we still got some bugs to squash

[fleet locust]

Seal joker

[elder fiber]

hmm

ill have a look at that rn

[fleet locust]

btw new perk slots

so better than before

good addition

[elder fiber]

👍

glad you prefer them

[frail junco]

I admit I don't really understand the point of a mod existing essentially just to be a dependency for another mod. I'd think that just making perk cards a separate mod and including api stuff for them there would serve the same function in a more user friendly way

[main wedge]

Easier for modders to make their own perk cards

In case they don't want to install Ceres

which adds content

¯_(ツ)_/¯

from a coding standpoint this is an easier way to do it

[frail junco]

Or to just leave eris as it is and maintain them in parallel instead is ceres having to depend on another mod for its own api

[main wedge]

Since Ceres adds other content out of the wazoo, some people don't want to install it in order to make their own perk cards, again, for the sake of convienience on the actual coder. As an end user it doesn't actually effect much

It's essentially in layman's terms: taking everything to define perk cards and pushing it somewhere else and that's it

[fleet locust]

Will you upgrade him?

[fleet locust]

Ah colorblind definitely TOO good

[fleet locust]

Negative voucher totally useless

Literally 0 negative after 4~ ante

Not in one run

May be upgrade it?

Like "also gain 1 negative tag"

So at least 1 negative joker

[fleet locust]

Wtf

i cant get trader from soul deck

LITERALLY 60 rolls

[fleet locust]

This is impossible

1/6 to joker

around 100 rolls

[elder fiber]

hes common so not really meant to be super good

[elder fiber]

ill look into balancing it a bit

[elder fiber]

ill have a look at this too

[elder fiber]

wdym trader?

[elder fiber]

yeah its just for anyone interested in perk cards who doesnt wanna download ceres itself

[fleet locust]

wandering trarder joker

[elder fiber]

oh the travelling merchant

def possible

[fleet locust]

ah

i mean

merchant

[elder fiber]

you must just be getting unlucky i think

[elder fiber]

yeah hes def enabled

[fleet locust]

May be i should go to casino

[elder fiber]

not with your luck lol

[fleet locust]

i start to thinking about pseudo-random

just like in isaac sometimes

certain items appear way too more some days

cuz random generation not perfect

wtf

i changed to white stake

and got merchant

In a row

twice

changing to gold...

zero in 15.

back to white

ok no in white also

[elder fiber]

oh have you won with him on gold stake already?

cos whenever you start another gold stake run

[fleet locust]

Yesterday

[elder fiber]

you start with a legendary you dont have a gold sticker on

[fleet locust]

aaaa

[elder fiber]

thats part of the base game

[fleet locust]

aaaAaAAa

thanks

i am not cursed

[elder fiber]

thankfully not

[fleet locust]

If i gain all stickers?

nah i can just delete save

and unlcock everything

[elder fiber]

you can try that

i dont think it unlocks stickers

but worth a go

[fleet locust]

for compl++ mental health?? ahah

[fleet locust]

Deleting them

[elder fiber]

yeah thats why they did it, otherwise it would be so annoying trying to get all the legendary golds

[elder fiber]

good idea

[fleet locust]

YAY

[fleet locust]

My game lagging

too much cards

[elder fiber]

thats on you, not me lol

[fleet locust]

I dont blame

wtf 1.5 cards..

[elder fiber]

how did you get so much money

oh

the 1.5 cards

mint condition

lol

[fleet locust]

1.5 dollars carrds

[elder fiber]

quite strong

[fleet locust]

its around x4 every round

[elder fiber]

just getting flat money is boring tho

maybe x 1.1 or smth is better

[fleet locust]

I think for jokers good 1.5

but for CARDS

[fleet locust]

For jokers that already making money

not 1.5 money at the end of round*

[elder fiber]

maybe to suit the idea of mint condition better, it goes away after a certain number of triggers

ill play around w the idea a bit

[fleet locust]

Kinda strange deck

cant understand the idea

[elder fiber]

it was suggested by someone in suggestions

so i made it into a thing

[fleet locust]

Especially rerolls cost 2 more

[elder fiber]

idea is you see better and cheaper things in the shop

but less of them

thoughts on this?

works out to be about 2x money

[fleet locust]

Common joker can be bad

bad also

its cant be useless at all

Only around 5 of 150 in game totally useless

[fleet locust]

Soooo i think you should buff this joker

[elder fiber]

thats smth on the to do list dw

[fleet locust]

Looks better

[elder fiber]

cool

[fleet locust]

I thought condition buffs already existed money gain (like lucky cards or seal, or economic jokers)

But its literally x money

[elder fiber]

yeah

[fleet locust]

May be this better?

[elder fiber]

you mean just + money

[fleet locust]

But kinda hard to luckyshot this in economic joker or seal

[fleet locust]

I mean it should buff

[elder fiber]

oh right

[fleet locust]

only gaining money, not ALL money

[elder fiber]

i could do smth like whenever gaining mony gain extra money for each mint condition card

[fleet locust]

but x2 instead of 1.5 because hard to use properly

[elder fiber]

like an extra $2 or smth

[fleet locust]

Hmm

Thats looot better

[elder fiber]

ill try that and then we can do some testing around w it

[fleet locust]

Good idea, but I CANT FIND THIS JOKER AAHHH

also

will it work if you dont have jokers or they eternal?

or wrong rarity

[elder fiber]

no

[fleet locust]

because madness buffing always

[elder fiber]

itll only destroy non eternal joker sof the correct rarity

it only gains x mult when it destroys

[fleet locust]

also

sneaky without textures

cards staying same

and jokers too

[elder fiber]

you mean they dont look like this?

[fleet locust]

This is why 1x instead of 0.5?

yeah

just basic skin

[elder fiber]

but transparent

a bit

[elder fiber]

yeah its harder to do, so its stronger

[fleet locust]

Holo jokers sneaky at this screenshot

Blueprint too

[elder fiber]

oh

ill have to check that out then

[fleet locust]

idk may be restart required

Anyway i think sneaky cards... useless?

Not enough bosses can disable jokers

also

1 alive card cant make too much

if other not

I have another mod with this idea

Even SO buffed

Totally useless

[elder fiber]

hm

i can remove it for the time being then

[fleet locust]

you can fix it 2 ways

make more good blinds

or buff/delete

[fleet locust]

I mean

blinds that can disable

jokers especially

[elder fiber]

i do wanna add more blinds

i just havent got round to it

theres a few ive added

[fleet locust]

which?

[elder fiber]

gun devil and new moon

[fleet locust]

anyway i think this idea dead from very begining

Because it isnt work even buffed x3 + more

(They have it even on jokers too)

[elder fiber]

yeah ill probably just remove it for the time being then

[fleet locust]

good bullet

[elder fiber]

and if i think of a way to make it interesting i can add it back

[fleet locust]

Ante blind*

[elder fiber]

thanks lol

[fleet locust]

But i can play around it too much with taro cards

may be you should remove taro reroll?

I mean...

It rerroll every card after ANY action

like hand, discard, and taro

i think taro too much

if you know - you almost safe to win

[elder fiber]

when you say reroll wdym

[fleet locust]

I mean it

Was disabled? Now turned on

Was turned on? Now can be disabled

1 in 4

[fleet locust]

Can be*, 3 in 4

[elder fiber]

ill have a look at fixing it

[fleet locust]

good boss anyway

losed to it

and 2,5 sounds balanced for me

too weak to just x2, too good for x3

[elder fiber]

so 1 in 2 chance?

oh

2.5 in 4?

[fleet locust]

i mean about 2.5x required points

[elder fiber]

oh right

[fleet locust]

most of the times

I just playing not on flushes or 5 of a kind

ahahahha

lucky

[elder fiber]

yeah that boss can really screw you

[fleet locust]

So

I played around 15 games (including around 8 death)

(Quick restarts not included)

And advantage literally infinite

i mean

i dont have so many perk cards to use all advantage

this why i thought about limit if you dont have perk cards

You have it from start, but... you dont spend it around 7 rounds at least

often

so till the end you have at least 3 advantage, most of the time 10 (not used)

even with perk cards in deck used

[elder fiber]

i played a game w this deck and i kept running out of it

[fleet locust]

Didnt played on this

gonna try now

[elder fiber]

you get a voucher for an extra booster pack

so that helps w getting perk cards

what do you think about these edition changes?

[fleet locust]

also its 100% flushes or streetflush

sounds kinda powerful

[fleet locust]

hmm, good for money if like "can triggers 1/2/3 per round"

if you have many little resourses of money

its kinda very big

[elder fiber]

would $2 be better then?

[fleet locust]

also

can you explain?

how it work with money from win blind?

interest etc.

[elder fiber]

when you cash out itll just give you the extra $3

[fleet locust]

hmm

lets try 2

[elder fiber]

alright

[fleet locust]

i am not sure good it or bad

[elder fiber]

can always be changed in the future

[fleet locust]

Sounds more fair if you destroy other jokers from spectral

just like hex

[elder fiber]

ill try that too

[fleet locust]

1.25 mult NOT good

but 1.25 chips

can be very

in combo - medium power (i think)

in compare to poly

fuck ahahahh

its like 52 deck for dungeons and dg gamblers

but 13 in balatro

[elder fiber]

it was just meant to a fun little deck inspired by d&dg

as perk cards are

[fleet locust]

literally dont work

as you can see my score and hands can proof

[elder fiber]

ill have to look at that

making a big list from your playing dw

[fleet locust]

ahah, thanks

WTF

WTF x2

so lucky

casino moment

BROH WTF...

also +1 boosterpack voucher good

but almost everyone did it too

hah

[elder fiber]

yeah ik

[fleet locust]

game trying to repay me

for my 100 rolls

[fleet locust]

fun...)

i can explain

it was disabled before sneaky added

[elder fiber]

i hadnt even thought about adding a check for that tbh

i dont have to worry about it now tho lol

[elder fiber]

okay mint condition is working as intended now

[elder fiber]

new editions are live

and i fixed warm up too

[fleet locust]

so what you gonna do next?

Except from bugfixing

[elder fiber]

still more stuff i wanna add

art to do

[fleet locust]

maybe

colorblind?

[elder fiber]

what about it?

[fleet locust]

Colour?

Colorblind instead of colourblind?

[elder fiber]

ah i see the confusion

see i spell it the right way

[fleet locust]

I am bad at english tho

But checked it

I was right

[elder fiber]

with a 'u' is the correct way

[unborn dust]

color and colour are both ways to spell it just in different locations

[elder fiber]

like how grey is spelt with an e not an a

[fleet locust]

You mean like USA and UK english differences?

[elder fiber]

grey is the correct spelling

[fleet locust]

Also

[unborn dust]

neither is wrong

[fleet locust]

there is voucher for new type of buffs

but how big chanses from start?

v

Seen zero from shop

[elder fiber]

that reminds me i gotta remove sneaky from the description of that lol

colourblind is about as rare as poly i think

and mint is just a bit rarer than holo

[fleet locust]

Actually good voucher

Why no one created it before?

[elder fiber]

apparently someone did

but i hadnt seen it before

thought it was a neat idea

[fleet locust]

AHHH cursed combo

jokers costs less

but i sell them with less cost too!

[elder fiber]

rip

[elder fiber]

just fixed an issue where stakes were crashing the game on the newest version of steamodded

[fleet locust]

So

completed all (on spades with discards cuz version was lower)

Gonna tierlist it

Soul deck - unexpectedly medium. Cuz you need to survive first antes, but can grow really big later

Scratch deck - little lower than medium. Hard start fo me

GIft deck - good deck. Powerful cuz of money and + boosters

Tattered deck - fucking bulldozer. Even without discards very powerful

Cuz its combo with seals, perks, flushes (!!!), any carrd upgrades, st. flush, and you can even gain cards if you havev too much

May be it should start with flush of level zero?

st flush too

[elder fiber]

its not exactly meant to be a super balanced deck

[fleet locust]

hm

i have kinda good idea

from cryptid

Make require to win ante 10

instead of 8

for this decks

btw merchant joker

very balatro stylish

and good

My fav

kinda perkeo v2

[elder fiber]

ill look into this

[elder fiber]

glad you like him

[fleet locust]

Uh oh

again x3

They also colorblind

so not useless

i tested colorblind

its not bad

bad must appear little more than poly

cuz less power

Because 1.25x1.25 less than 1.5 x 1.5 even if for chips too

[elder fiber]

poly is only x 1.5 tho

[fleet locust]

Huh oh @elder fiber

I gaining bonus money

even from card in DECK

not in hand of round

[elder fiber]

yeah

thats how it works

any money you eanr

[fleet locust]

Too powerful

[elder fiber]

you earn more for every card

nah

[fleet locust]

because if you have two of them

at least two

you can sell jokers

and gain more than buying it

And this is big even without all other money gain

[elder fiber]

i can change it to just cards in hand ig then

[fleet locust]

so it might work while in hand, also in taro booster

[fleet locust]

Dont forget about taro booster so you can sell cards even in shop

spectral cards booster too

[elder fiber]

ill just make it work in hand then

[fleet locust]

cuz i suddenly got 600 money

Hmm

i got idea

what if colorblind joker spectral card

destroying just one joker

instead of all

Because as i see

Colorblind not that powerful at 1.25

And even with some mods there is not enough chips combo

So, that’s would make colorblind like holo/+50 chips v2

Like if every upgrade combo into one (negative isn’t count agahah)

[elder fiber]

colourblind is better than polychrome

its 1.25 chips and 1.25 mult

[fleet locust]

Played with it?

[elder fiber]

math

[fleet locust]

Ehm, it’s kinda strange

I can explain

Most of the time in balatro you gaining big score not from pure xmult once

But from xmult double/triple

Just imagine 1.5x1.5x2

And 1.25x1.5x1.5/2

Even with chips 1.25x1.25

It’s kinda worse

Also

There is not so much chips jokers

[fleet locust]

Most of my gold stake wins from AT LEAST two 1.5 xmult

[elder fiber]

get more chips

[fleet locust]

As you can see

Difference not that big

But if you try to compare

Would 1.5 x 1.5 be better than

1.25 x 1.25? (Both chips and mult)

[elder fiber]

1.5 x 1.5 is better than 1.25 x 1.25 ofc

[fleet locust]

This is crucial for 1.25

[fleet locust]

I mean

Two colorblind jokers

Vs 2 poly

Not 2 vs 1

But 2 vs 2

[elder fiber]

2 colourblind is better

1 colourblind is better than 1 poly

so 2 colourblind is better than 2 poly

[fleet locust]

hmm

i feel myself strange

gameplay told me poly better

trying figure out why

or play more

[fleet locust]

Can you make same for 2vs2?

Just for me

also what about colorblind tag?

[elder fiber]

sure

ill get round to that

1.25 x 1.25 is 1.5625

[fleet locust]

playing on basic yellow deck

[elder fiber]

which is better than 1.5

so 1.5625 x 1.5625 = 2.44.......

whereas 1.5 x 1.5 is 2.25

ill still draw a diagram if you want tho

[fleet locust]

no

just pure numbers enough

technically its more good even by the fact, that its xchips mult

and most of builds have many mults, but not many chips

but somehow it was bad for my 2 runs

may be just unlucky

UH OH

not first time

[elder fiber]

just in case

[fleet locust]

write text about 4 handsize or fix bug

btw in first round with this it worked properly

on full sized hand

[fleet locust]

thx

[elder fiber]

what happened?

you just said uh oh

[fleet locust]

This is FULL SIZE of hand with this joker

was all 8 in first round and got bigger every hand

next round handsize 4

[elder fiber]

ill look into that

[fleet locust]

not your joker

but what do you think?

i think this is mostly bad joker

but kinda balanced

[elder fiber]

seems pretty balanced

[fleet locust]

there is issue

i cant imagine 2345 build...

so rare for me at least

[elder fiber]

i like playing 2s

[fleet locust]

there is joker for 2

in vanilla

[elder fiber]

well hack to retrigger

wee for chips

[fleet locust]

somehow my handsize that big

no perks used

oh

its not even handsize

i draw that many cards

for some reason

[elder fiber]

i think its something to do with perk cards drawing extra cards

i dont think i need to make them do that anymore

ill look into it

[fleet locust]

hmm

sounds also fun

may be create perk that DRAW cards

so if they useless you have to discard

or you gonna use it in final hands because you already used your discards

[elder fiber]

you can use the handsize one for that

it increases your handsize then draws 2

[fleet locust]

Yeah

but its literally +2 handsize

i am talking about somethin like draw 5 but handsize same

[elder fiber]

right

[fleet locust]

Very powerful joker

but feels right

especially because you need to grow it

hmm

may be reduce to 10?

Cuz any 1.5 joker powerful

and you can grow this joker with like 2-3 rounds to that size

[fleet locust]

or at least 15

but 10 sounds more balanced

gonna make most of jokers review

[elder fiber]

sounds good to me

[elder fiber]

only problem i found w this being 0.1

is it felt a bit weak

because its highest level hand

thats usually your best hand

[fleet locust]

There is issue

i dont know any balatro player

[elder fiber]

so it can be hard to not just win in 1 hand

[fleet locust]

that dont use most level hand at least once

and once is enough for scale

because its 0.20

[plain lintel]

Not xchips...

@elder fiber are you aware that base xchips is the same as base xmult

So colorblind is just x1.25 mult twice

[elder fiber]

only if you have the same amount of base chips and mult tho

[plain lintel]

(1.25×100)×2 = 100×(1.25×2)

[elder fiber]

oh wait

no i am right

its not the same

i swear

[plain lintel]

This

[elder fiber]

yeah but you wont have the same amount of chips and mult

well probably

[plain lintel]

Bro

[plain lintel]

This

[elder fiber]

what is the 100

[plain lintel]

100 is chips and the 2 is mult

[elder fiber]

okay but chips x mult only happens at the end

[plain lintel]

I know

...

This is not that conplicated

[elder fiber]

no its not

[plain lintel]

Say you have a 100 chips × 2 mult hand

[elder fiber]

yeah

[plain lintel]

And a x2 chips triggers

What's the final score

[elder fiber]

400

[plain lintel]

Okay

[elder fiber]

yippee

[fleet locust]

1 UP - very good idea, saved me twice also money gain even if rent
Coin Toss - basic joker idea, but works properly and good enough for common
Warm up - broken by code, but powerful as idea cuz of scale jokers and almost essentially the same as +1 discard but better
Diving joker - almost totally useless like streetflush spectral joker
Accoutant - may be must be other rarity, very good even in start
Museum - good balanced scale joker
Large Joker - didnt used enough
Backup plan - very good by idea for 4 size hands
Club Sandiwch - nah, kinda hard to grow
Scratchcarrd - didnt used also broken texture
Professor - didnt used even when i had it in slots, ace builds kinda hard to setup fo me
Squarer joker - good by idea, but gonna be sold at some time
Favor Odds - very powerful, but very fucking fun. Dont nerf pls
Hatsune Miku - reduce by 10, my opinion
Malboro Reds - basic, but work. May be should be 1.75 cuz its fading too slowly
Skateboard - didnt used, but as i can see powerful enough
Stopwatch - NAH PLS DONT MAKE ME LITERALLY GRIND TIME IN GAME
Fisherman - good, but code broken
Insurance fraud - sounds fun, but didnt used sorry
Seasoning - broken and crashing, but i am sure after fix gonna be good
Ghost - must be good didnt used
Blacksmith - good as idea, as i played balanced, but my eye tolds me its kinda too powerful
Fox Devil - bad for player
Blood Fiend - very powerful, not sure needed nerf or not, cuz any mod need at least some powerful jokers
Snake Eyes - nah, didnt used cuz of useless
Calling Clock - didnt used hard for my builds
Double Down - didnt used, sounds good
Yumeko - should be nerfed or remastered. Literally ancient joker 2.0
Wanted Poster - sounds fun, but didnt used
The solo - literally minus 1 joker in pool
Bismuth - stone cards always useless
Polterrgeist - sounds fun, but didnt used
Merchant - totally good at all sides, dont nerf
Makima - divine jokers always powerful
Aizen - divine jokers always powerful

[plain lintel]

Now instead of an x2 chips it's an x2 mult

What's the final score

[elder fiber]

400

[plain lintel]

...so its the same

[elder fiber]

okay

your point?

[plain lintel]

Xchips = xmult

[fleet locust]

Not even close

[plain lintel]

So there's no point in xchips existing

[elder fiber]

blud

[fleet locust]

There is around 80% against 20%

80% of mult jokers

20% of chips

Therefore chips gaining kinda hard

So they different by this

You can have around 1000 mult

But chips wont be bigger 300 most of the time

[fleet locust]

Or even 10000

And so on

[elder fiber]

this would be true if there was only x mult

but you get +chips and +mult

[fleet locust]

What do you think?

[elder fiber]

gimme a min to read

the ideal of malboros is you get 20 in a pack so they last 20 round slol

looks like ive got a lot of jokers to fix lol

[fleet locust]

Hmm

You right

Hmm

what about cigarettes joker

[elder fiber]

stopwatch is just a funny joker more than anything lol

[fleet locust]

+mult, but - 1/20 per hand

[elder fiber]

i might do that actually

[fleet locust]

Other pack of cigg

[elder fiber]

marlboro golds 💀

[fleet locust]

ahah

Hm

actually

If it golds

may be +dollar per cigarette?

ahah

[elder fiber]

would be crazy strong lol

[fleet locust]

Not so if you must play 20 hands

so cant be bigger than 4 per round

basic money jokers

[elder fiber]

thats not a bad idea at all actually

[frail junco]

Kinda making me want to do a recreational substances mod where all the jokers are different... intoxicants and other such things. If only I was better at teaching myself to code

[fleet locust]

You can

[elder fiber]

sounds like a fire idea lol

[fleet locust]

Or you can hire slave programmist

[elder fiber]

with coding it just takes some time

i literally knew no lua when i started w balatro mods

[fleet locust]

ahahah

10 chips

Hey

maybe it must gain +10 chips per dead joker?

or at least like +5 for common +10 for other

[elder fiber]

oo i should change the art to match actually

[fleet locust]

yeah

cuz looks very tasty

I beg you

make this ugly joker unic

This face so good

[elder fiber]

he only looks like that because hes small

i didnt try to make him ugly lol

[fleet locust]

Yeah

but you can recreate this on purpose

for new joker

also

hmm

game very ez if you have free shop perk

yeah, you should rebalance perks and advantage first

[fleet locust]

I mean very-very

Yeah, nerf or make other rarity

Scale way too fast in compare to any common joker

[elder fiber]

will do

[fleet locust]

I think other rarity sounds normal

May be even with this shoulds be nerfed to 1

Cuz its literally +5 every round

Almost like two pair jokers scale

[fleet locust]

If nerfed to 1

BUT

you can upgrade it

if ineterst voucher

So +1 mult + uncommon/rare sounds perfect balance

[plain lintel]

@elder fiber xmult/xchips would always go last, so +mult and +chips don't matter for this conversation

Please give me an example qhere xchips are distinctly different

[fleet locust]

bro

try plasma deck

you will see some difference, even if its unic for certain deck

[plain lintel]

...

[plain lintel]

i dont get this

can you please write it out

[elder fiber]

i did

[plain lintel]

in words

[fleet locust]

Chips different cuz its harder to grow/change

Isnt its obvious?

also

you grow them by planets mostly

not jokers

[plain lintel]

you can have 1 chip and 100000 mult, x1.25 chips is still the same as x1.25 mult

[fleet locust]

WOW

Really?

[plain lintel]

...yes

[fleet locust]

But imagine situation

[fleet locust]

Where chips not 1

and mult not 1000000

[plain lintel]

why would you ever have +chips/+mult behind an xer

[fleet locust]

Lemme say

If we think rough

[plain lintel]

it works with any 2 numbers

[fleet locust]

Xchips kinda same as xmult in some way

But they CROSS

between each other

[elder fiber]

its not like you always have a choice

[plain lintel]

please tell me when that is a thing

[fleet locust]

And this is not same as xmult cross xmult, like 2x2

[elder fiber]

well playing cards for example

[fleet locust]

Its 300x1.5

Plus 20x3x4 mult

Like this

[plain lintel]

... playing cards happen before base xchips

[fleet locust]

Example

[elder fiber]

im not sure why this conversation is happening if you dont even know what youre talking about

[plain lintel]

fym

[elder fiber]

colourblind is an edition that gives x chips

[plain lintel]

yup

and editions trigger after all playing cards are scored, no?

[fleet locust]

Depends on mod creator tho

[elder fiber]

no

[fleet locust]

If we talking about other mods also

[plain lintel]

fym depends

its a joker edition

[elder fiber]

and card edition

also +chip jokers exist

[fleet locust]

there is other mods that create xchips

i am about them

[plain lintel]

right

mb

but my point still stands, xchip editions on jokers dont make sense

[fleet locust]

they totally have

especially if you want big score

[plain lintel]

im done

[fleet locust]

Because, as i said, chips grow less

[plain lintel]

so what if they grow less

[fleet locust]

So if you want to bigger points

[plain lintel]

give me 2 numbers where if i aply the same xchips and xmult theyll be different

[fleet locust]

its kinda good to have more chips, because you almost 100% have enough mult at some point

[elder fiber]

youre not considering +chips and +mult

[plain lintel]

because youll never have +mult and +chips happen after xchips/xmult

[fleet locust]

This is the difference

[elder fiber]

that is a completely possible thing

[fleet locust]

You DONT have same numbers of chips and mults

You

Most of the time

[plain lintel]

give me 2 different numbers

[fleet locust]

Have bigger mult (at the end of game especially)

[plain lintel]

when

[fleet locust]

SO

Because of this disbalance

[elder fiber]

editions on joker trigger in the order left to right

[fleet locust]

They not same

[plain lintel]

@fleet locust

[fleet locust]

A

[plain lintel]

okay

[fleet locust]

What about 50 chips and 100 mult

50 chips x1.25 = 62.5

100 mult x1.25 = 125

[plain lintel]

now multiply 62.5 x 100

and 50 x 125

[fleet locust]

Same

And?

[plain lintel]

so xchips is the same as xmult

they gave you the exact same score

[fleet locust]

But as i said...

You dont have many chips changerrr

Also

Xchips

Will wont overlrap on each other

[plain lintel]

its the exact same score

[fleet locust]

Like x2+x2+x2 joker xmult

[fleet locust]

Cuz they just less

Chanses are less too

[plain lintel]

yes they will

[fleet locust]

I mean in average

[plain lintel]

they give you the exact same score

[fleet locust]

Situation for x2 x2 x2 for mults MUCH bigger

[plain lintel]

how old are you

this is rudimentary math

[green flame]

Is this a math argument

[rugged dust]

yes

mr thursday is saying that 2x mult will give more than 2x chips

[plain lintel]

please save me from this nightmare

[fleet locust]

i mean its way easier to find xmult

[plain lintel]

SO WHAT

[rugged dust]

but its the same scoring

[elder fiber]

guys have you really gotta do this in this thread lol

[plain lintel]

it happens

[rugged dust]

i mean

maybe

[plain lintel]

its tangentially related

[rugged dust]

hey its free advertisement

[elder fiber]

i mean you could go argue in the cryptid thread

that has x chips lol

[fleet locust]

ahahah

[elder fiber]

hadnt thought about it that way actually

[green flame]

X2 is x2

[fleet locust]

I figured out other thing

[rugged dust]

why the hell are you laughing

[green flame]

Both give the same amount of at the end of scoring

[plain lintel]

thank god yall showed up

[rugged dust]

well no, one is uppercase one is l- "GET OUT!"

[plain lintel]

xchips is only different from xmult when they happen before other + effects, which in this case shouldnt happen

[rugged dust]

well start thinking in that way

[plain lintel]

a mechanic shouldnt exist just because youre playing suboptimally

[green flame]

Pinned cards exist

[elder fiber]

me when i have 2 of the edition 🤯

[plain lintel]

that literally doesnt change anything?

[plain lintel]

does that somewhat obscure mechanic warrant a completely new scoring multiplier

[green flame]

Also player cards could have xChips

[elder fiber]

my edition that gives it is on cards too

[fleet locust]

Nah

[elder fiber]

meant to be another 0 on the 800

mb

[fleet locust]

seems i understand his point (Derpy)

Let me think little more

[fleet locust]

Ah

You x2 separate?

[plain lintel]

i understand that does change it, hence why i decided to shift it to xchips on jokers

[elder fiber]

wait also thats x2 not 20

oops

[elder fiber]

thats on jokers too tho

[plain lintel]

i know

[elder fiber]

oh i meant the image

oops

[fleet locust]

You dont like the part, that when xchips different from xmult its become too complex?

@plain lintel

[fleet locust]

For balatro basic style

[plain lintel]

i dont like what part

[fleet locust]

You mean most of the time xchip calculate same as xmult, yes?

And you also dont like that even if this change starts to matter, its become way too complex?

Am i wrong?*

[rugged dust]

not most of the a+time, ALL of the time

[fleet locust]

Is this same?

[plain lintel]

base xchips, at least

[plain lintel]

placing a pure xchips before a +chips is just playing badly

[fleet locust]

Pinned cards exists

Anyway

i understand your position now, mostly

[plain lintel]

oh okay so we should have xchips in the offcase a joker is pinned

[fleet locust]

yeaaah maybe xchips not really needed

[silk root]

is this about xchips being better gameplay wise or math wise

its a mess to read

[plain lintel]

both

im sick of this

[fleet locust]

people will do xchips jokers anyway

[silk root]

isnt it all multiplication math wise. Aka order doesnt matter in the slightest

[elder fiber]

not if its all mult

[silk root]

ye bc hand chips are easy to scale

[fleet locust]

totally bad idea for basic game

Also @plain lintel

Its 0:54 of night at me

And i didnt used math around 2 years (only very easy math)

So yes

I didnt figured it out

Very ironic part

I was very good at math in school

DEMENTIA BRAINDAMGE INCOME

[silk root]

ok rereading this from the top this has been very funny

[fleet locust]

Does anybody knows how random works in game?

I mean its seeded, but how seed created?

and how its really random?

[elder fiber]

well the seed generation isnt perfect random

but i dont think anything can be

[plain lintel]

at least my suffering wasnt in vain

[elder fiber]

computer wise

[fleet locust]

Its can be essentially random

I mean

I played isaac

And in isaac you can gain some items waaaay more in certain DAYS

[plain lintel]

seed creation is completely random, but the game then saves everything

[fleet locust]

I mean it - one day godhead can appear way more

Or any other item

[plain lintel]

thats prob just confirmation bias

[silk root]

people when you tell em multiplication order doesn't matter

Am xmult at the end of your hand calc is the same as an xchip

[fleet locust]

Nerdy streamers saying it. Also they gaining this items in same days. I think part of seed generation based on date, so this is why IN ISAAC*

And by nerdy i mean hours of game, not programming skill

[fleet locust]

dont blame me

I am tired cuz wanna sleep

[rugged dust]

then go SLEEP

[fleet locust]

Internet disputes are more important.

[rugged dust]

tru

[silk root]

real

[silk root]

still blaming you tho

were in the same timezone

[fleet locust]

We can change that.

[silk root]

Real

[fleet locust]

Meow

[silk root]

Whoever finds the other first gets consent for murder

ah

[fleet locust]

oh

Anyway

[silk root]

i mean im down for this too

[rugged dust]

:3

[fleet locust]

Maybe i am bad at math

[silk root]

:3

[fleet locust]

I think i am mostly right about balance of this mod

[rugged dust]

:3

[rugged dust]

3:

[silk root]

:3

[fleet locust]

:3

[silk root]

ur probs right

[fleet locust]

This chat kidnapped by cats

[silk root]

xchips is just a funny concept

[rugged dust]

:3

[rugged dust]

mreow

[silk root]

mbrrrr

mpurr

[fleet locust]

Bark.

[rugged dust]

prrrrrrrrrrrr

[rugged dust]

HSSSSSSSSSSS

[fleet locust]

GRRRRRRRRR

[silk root]

There are 14 belgian men with water guns converging on your location

[rugged dust]

"tap tap tap tap" (running sounds)

[fleet locust]

They guns big?..

Urrr >:?

[silk root]

😳

[fleet locust]

Five cold vacuum

[silk root]

😳

[rugged dust]

WOAH WHAT THE FUCK

[silk root]

screenied

forever immortalised on my camera reel

[rugged dust]

📸 📸 📸 📸 📸 📸 📸 📸

[fleet locust]

Dead.

[silk root]

but to answer the question

[fleet locust]

which one?

[silk root]

as big as you want em bestie

[fleet locust]

ah

[silk root]

[fleet locust]

you mean my question...

[elder fiber]

what on earth is happening now

[silk root]

[elder fiber]

you cant tell me this is advertising

[silk root]

The only way to defuse online arguments

furry rp

i guess???

[fleet locust]

Water ad

[elder fiber]

i mean id appreciate you doing this elsewhere but ig i cant really stop you

[fleet locust]

MY EYES

DONT. PLS.

[silk root]

you did this to yourself

[fleet locust]

They was FURRY???

[fleet locust]

Ok sorry

[silk root]

we were dogs and cats

[rugged dust]

its advertising, but also furry ERP-ish

[plain lintel]

how did we go from xchips to loads

[silk root]

loads of chips, ya know. Hot loads. Six of em. Out of "big guns"

[elder fiber]

new joker idea coming to Ceres, hot load joker

[fleet locust]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[silk root]

do it

[rugged dust]

YEEESSSSS

[fleet locust]

Create five cold vacuum joker

[rugged dust]

m'n'ms can with mashed banana and butter joker

[silk root]

better be an xchip joker

[elder fiber]

oh for sure

[fleet locust]

ITS A CYLINDER

[elder fiber]

xchips but only triggers at end of scoring

[rugged dust]

NO ITS NOT

but i actualy foud a valid solution to the cylinder problem

[fleet locust]

I dont wanna hurt my cylinder

But i can hurt your...

[rugged dust]

IF the cylinder isnt pushed up against the bottom of the can, you can cut the edges of the bottom part of the can, so the bottom falls off and you can push out the "cylinder"

[silk root]

The solution is always thermite

[fleet locust]

What if cylinder grows up during that solution?...

and

what if there is two of them in same space...?

[silk root]

ok you can't convince me the cylinder isnt a standin for something else here

[rugged dust]

alight buddy "GET OUT".sfx

[silk root]

oh

ohhh

its that post

god now im reminded

im gonna find you

[fleet locust]

Nice cylinder

[silk root]

😳

you too, cutie

[fleet locust]

WHAT?

I have no cylinder.

Cheese

[silk root]

@rugged dust i need saving

I should've screenied that

[rugged dust]

YOU HAVE AN 11 INCH CAVENDISH?

[silk root]

lmao

[rugged dust]

WHA

HUH

JUST

[fleet locust]

11 inch short*

[rugged dust]

KILL ME ALREADY

[rugged dust]

ow..

[silk root]

So it goes negative?

[fleet locust]

in right state its bigger

[elder fiber]

negative cavendish 💀

[fleet locust]

Ah? How? This is not game

[fleet locust]

WOMAN

[elder fiber]

guys cmon

this poor thread

[rugged dust]

if theres a hole, theres a g-

GET OUT-

i should stop

WE should stop

were gonna get banned

[silk root]

...

Argument successfully diffused

good night

[rugged dust]

good night pookie

sleep tightž

[silk root]

u too pookie

[fleet locust]

cookie clicker

[elder fiber]

Ceres - Balatro Content

okay ive decided