If no other Jokers provide XMult, X2 Mult
#Backup Plan (Uncommon)
frigid pawn
brave stratus
wouldn't it be more balanced it if were like x1.5 or x2
frigid pawn
Yeah I was wondering about the X
frigid pawn
I think X2 is fair, X1.5 makes it on par with poly
reef turtle
x2 is enough ye
brave stratus
ok nice
frigid pawn
I assume Blueprint makes it do nothing lmao
brave stratus
"incompattable"
viral void
When stuff like cavendish or blackboard exists, x2 feels severely underpowered (especially when you can't have other xMult to multiply with the x2). x3 seems like it could be a viable standalone xMult.
frigid pawn
Both of those have conditions to obtain/use, this is basically free
Ramen is also a free 2x too
viral void
being unable to use other xMult is not exactly free (like, even with x3 you probably don't pass VV in gold stake)
[also re Ramen, I do believe it shold be buffed to x3 and higher deecoy, x2 seems to weak with the drawback of not using discards if you want to keep it]
tight mural
what
Ramen is pretty solid, it doesn't need that huge of a buff. And just because a single Joker doesn't oneshot VV on gold stake doesn't make it weak?
Like a free 2x from this is pretty fair, a free 3x is too much. Look at stuff like Seeing Double or The Duo, those are basically free 2x and are pretty good
A Joker like this would be a super strong early game carry, and 3x would be too much and would be a build-around
viral void
yeah, not passing VV on gold stake indeed doesn't make it weak (which is why with x3 I believe it'd be a strong joker countered by wall/VV, just like card sharp is a strong joker countered by the eye). But with x2 it just feels very weak for a long-term joker (and if we want to make it an early-game carry that's meant to be sold later make it common).
tight mural
Commons tend to not give x mult, it's a perfectly fine uncommon
viral void
Commons tend to not give x mult, it's a perfectly fine uncommon
That's a fair point, and why I have a preference for make it x3 (which yes, means it would be a build-around, but isn't it supposed to be one as a joker that literally forbids you to use a category of jokers ?) My experinence with x2 like seeing double/duo/ramen is they often feel weak because you already have a x3 when they show up and jokers that contribute actively to your build (definitely not F-tier, but still mid at best).
Maybe it's the x3s that need a nerf though.
vivid echo
That's a fair point, and why I have a preference for make it x3 (which yes, mean...
Its fine to have jokers in the game that you keep around for a little while and then sell when you get better ones. Not every joker needs to be lategame viable.
north cave
wouldn't backup plan be nicer as a common
because as soon as you get an ×mult its effect invalidates
acoustic reef
Goofy thought: x1.5 mult, retriggers once if you don’t have other times-mult jokers
- Not a total dud if you pick up something better
- 2.25x total mult in best case scenario (a little better than 2x but not so much that it should be busted)
- Interacts in a fun way with editions like foil
ashen kelp
It doesnt interact with editions any differently
1.5x isnt usually worth keeping but it is nice for when you have nothing better
acoustic reef
It doesnt interact with editions any differently
huh, I guess you’re right
acoustic reef
it depends on whether it’s worded the same as blueprint/brainstorm
those specifically copy the effect of jokers
ashen kelp
A polychrome version of your idea could be quite powerful
The thing is that no joker is able to retrigger yet
Not itself or other jokers
acoustic reef
whether it’s possible for technical reasons is another conundrum
but if it is, Could Be Neat
ashen kelp
Its most likely possible
A polychrome would be 5.0625x mult which is quite a lot
Enough to serve as your only source of xmult
acoustic reef
Still gets beaten by any x3 and x2 ofc
But would be a delight on painted deck
Where your slots are at a premium
ashen kelp
Would also be nice for stickering because then you’d have really strong xmult for only 1 joker slot
acoustic reef
Doubled 3x is 6x, no?
acoustic reef
I’m talking conventional x3 and x2
Like seeing double and the trio
to contrast with current jokers
acoustic reef
ramen and card sharp 😉
acoustic reef
And for only 1x more
with polychrome on either of those regular jokers it’d be 4 more (6 * 1.5 = 9)
don’t get me wrong, it’d definitely be efficient, but not wildly so
ashen kelp
with polychrome on either of those regular jokers it’d be 4 more (6 * 1.5 = 9)
Still though
2 jokner slots
viral void
Its fine to have jokers in the game that you keep around for a little while and ...
Name me one such joker that is not lategame viable and that :
- is uncommon (as I said, x2 would be fine as a common, because indeed commons are typically jokers you keep around for a little while and sell when you get better ones)
- provides no form of permanent benefit that stays after it's sold (a Sixth sense for example is not a joker that you keep until late game, but the spectral cards as well as deleting the sixes add permanent benefits to your deck)
vivid echo
Name me one such joker that is not lategame viable and that :
- is uncommon (as...
joker stencil lol
i guess joker stencil is theoretically lategame viable if you have one of those really silly builds where you somehow manage to get, like, three of em, but generally you've sold it for something better by ante 8
viral void
fair
that's pretty much the only one though (beyond the utter trash jokers like loyalty card)
vivid echo
I think people like loyalty card. you gotta be a bigbrain player to use it though.
viral void
and it [stencil] is a freaking x5 when you're lucky to get to pick it as your first joker, not a x2
vivid echo
consider the context of actually seeing this in a run in, like, ante 3. imo thats an instabuy.
viral void
I think people like loyalty card. you gotta be a bigbrain player to use it thoug...
well yeah but then it's viable lategame
vivid echo
in some ways you can think of this is a softer stencil. less onerous requirements, but also less of a benefit.
viral void
consider the context of actually seeing this in a run in, like, ante 3. imo that...
Well yeah but you'd rather see any of the x3s (which is why maybe it's these who need an nerf)
tight mural
i guess joker stencil is theoretically lategame viable if you have one of those ...
Stencil sucks, it took 2 hands to win with this insane setup
But yeah stencil really is just a joker you dump asap
regal fjord
that's pretty much the only one though (beyond the utter trash jokers like loyal...
I would put Ramen and Seeing Double in a similar state
tight mural
Seeing Double is great
regal fjord
Its fine, but most of the time you would probably want to swap it wityh non 2x
regal fjord
even with my 4-5 card hand builds id rather have other sources of xmult, and its usually quick to go for a stronger source
tight mural
In what world is a 2x mult bad, like what are you even using over it
regal fjord
3x mult
regal fjord
frosty thistle
i like this idea but i do prefer it as a common
glacial flame
Wait until you hear about 4x mult
i cant imagine anything better than 4x mult
tight mural
5x!!!
jolly grove
nah thats just too crazy
regal fjord
are there actually any cards that start at 5x mult?
placid edge
stencil with no jokers technically
tight mural
Same for 6x!
regal fjord
and 4x
tight mural
And 7x
regal fjord
i guess with a negative stencil on black deck yeah
tight mural
There is an actual 4x joker though
glacial flame
There is an actual 4x joker though
2
regal fjord
yeah, i was wondering about 5x though
tight mural
i guess with a negative stencil on black deck yeah
8x too then with antimatter
glacial flame
Ermm 7!!! would be naneinf
actually itd be 28
frosty thistle
double/triple/etc factorials are different than stacking factorials